The Fossil Fuel Industry Misinformation Campaign

[CrusaderFrank]

Do people who use the phrase “fossil fuels” realize that hydrocarbons do not require dead dinosaurs????

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You need to separate what was actually put out by scientists and what was not. Here is sea level rise from 1993 to the present:

View attachment 891952

No one was going to look at these data and forecast NYC being washed away by this point. Note the vertical scale. There is, however, a non-trivial chance of a catastrophic collapse (as opposed to the gradual collapse unstoppably taking place now) of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) that could cause global sea level to rise by 5 meters (16.4 feet) in a matter of days. The mainstream science position is that it will take over a century for the WAIS to collapse. I'm a cynic.

OMG! 3 inches in 30 years. We're doomed!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Do people who use the phrase “fossil fuels” realize that hydrocarbons do not require dead dinosaurs????

Yes, Frank, they generally do.. and much more. Given the benefit of hindsight, use of the term "fossil" was probably not the wisest, least ambiguous term one could have chosen. Probably sounded really good at the time though.. as is true of many, many things. Not perfect. Big whoop.

Fossil Fuels for Dummies:

1D: Fossil Fuels, Hydrocarbons, and CO2

Part D: Fossil Fuels, Hydrocarbons and CO2 On April 20, 2010, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig operating in the Gulf of Mexico exploded and sank. Oil and gas moved up the drilling well-bore onto the deck causing a ...

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What Are Fossil Fuels? | Smithsonian Ocean

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Fossil fuel | Meaning, Types, & Uses

Fossil fuel is a hydrocarbon-containing material of biological origin that can be burned for energy. Fossil fuels, which include coal, petroleum, and natural gas, supply the majority of all energy consumed in industrially developed countries. Learn about the types of fossil fuels, their...

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A fossil fuel[a] is a hydrocarbon-containing material such as coal, oil, and natural gas,[2] formed naturally in the Earth's crust from the remains of dead plants and animals that is extracted and burned as a fuel.

Fossil fuel - Wikipedia

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The Oxford English Dictionary notes that in the phrase "fossil fuel" the adjective "fossil" means "[o]btained by digging; found buried in the earth", which dates to at least 1652,[23] before the English noun "fossil" came to refer primarily to long-dead organisms in the early 18th century.[24]

Fossil fuel - Wikipedia

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[Deplorable Yankee]

The deniers here constantly accuse the world's climate scientists of ALL being involved in a massive and decades-long hoat to push global warming in order to 1) Get rich 2) Remain employed 3) Gain control over the population 4) Destroy western civilization. Unfortunately for them, they have ZERO evidence to support those claims.

Deniers here have also constantly IGNORED the possibility that the fossil fuel industry, seeing global warming mitigation measures as an existential threat, might make efforts to slow the acceptance of the science and the measures required to combat this problem. Unfortunately for them, there is a wealth of evidence to prove that this is precisely what they have done and that all deniers have served admirably as the industry's "useful idiots".

Oil companies discourage climate action, study says

Harvard researchers have turned a spotlight on the sometimes subtle, yet effective, strategies employed by oil companies to foster doubt and delay action on climate change.

news.harvard.edu

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep00046.7.pdf

Exxon’s Climate Denial History: A Timeline

A review of Exxon's knowledge and subsequent denial of climate change.

www.greenpeace.org

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/14/1199570023/exxon-climate-change-fossil-fuels-global-warming-oil-gas

The forgotten oil ads that told us climate change was nothing

Since the 1980s, fossil fuel firms have run ads touting climate denial messages – many of which they’d now like us to forget. Here’s our visual guide

www.theguardian.com

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago

A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

www.scientificamerican.com

What kind of bugs have you eaten today .....god help you if you dared drive anywhere

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, Frank, they generally do.. and much more. Given the benefit of hindsight, use of the term "fossil" was probably not the wisest, least ambiguous term one could have chosen. Probably sounded really good at the time though.. as is true of many, many things. Not perfect. Big whoop.

Fossil Fuels for Dummies:

1D: Fossil Fuels, Hydrocarbons, and CO2

Part D: Fossil Fuels, Hydrocarbons and CO2 On April 20, 2010, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig operating in the Gulf of Mexico exploded and sank. Oil and gas moved up the drilling well-bore onto the deck causing a ...

serc.carleton.edu

What Are Fossil Fuels? | Smithsonian Ocean

ocean.si.edu

Fossil fuel | Meaning, Types, & Uses

Fossil fuel is a hydrocarbon-containing material of biological origin that can be burned for energy. Fossil fuels, which include coal, petroleum, and natural gas, supply the majority of all energy consumed in industrially developed countries. Learn about the types of fossil fuels, their...

www.britannica.com

Fossil fuel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fossil fuel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So Saturns Moon Titan has abundant plant and animal life? Really?

Maybe it’s abiotic?

 

[ding]

The deniers here constantly accuse the world's climate scientists of ALL being involved in a massive and decades-long hoat to push global warming in order to 1) Get rich 2) Remain employed 3) Gain control over the population 4) Destroy western civilization. Unfortunately for them, they have ZERO evidence to support those claims.

Actually I have been arguing they have mistaken a natural warming trend for AGW.

 

[Crick]

What kind of bugs have you eaten today .....god help you if you dared drive anywhere

What's your opinion of the oil companies lying to us? What did you think of the tobacco companies lying to us? Do you know anyone harmed by tobacco?

 

[Grumblenuts]

So Saturns Moon Titan has abundant plant and animal life? Really?

So Saturn's moon Titan is not on Earth. Really. Baby steps for you.

 

[elektra]

The topic of this thread is the fossil fuel industry's misinformation campaign concerning manmade global warming, not EVs.

Is that really the topic of this thread?

 

[Crick]

Is that really the topic of this thread?

Yes

The deniers here constantly accuse the world's climate scientists of ALL being involved in a massive and decades-long hoat to push global warming in order to 1) Get rich 2) Remain employed 3) Gain control over the population 4) Destroy western civilization. Unfortunately for them, they have ZERO evidence to support those claims.

Deniers here have also constantly IGNORED the possibility that the fossil fuel industry, seeing global warming mitigation measures as an existential threat, might make efforts to slow the acceptance of the science and the measures required to combat this problem. Unfortunately for them, there is a wealth of evidence to prove that this is precisely what they have done and that all deniers have served admirably as the industry's "useful idiots".

Oil companies discourage climate action, study says

Harvard researchers have turned a spotlight on the sometimes subtle, yet effective, strategies employed by oil companies to foster doubt and delay action on climate change.

news.harvard.edu

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep00046.7.pdf

Exxon’s Climate Denial History: A Timeline

A review of Exxon's knowledge and subsequent denial of climate change.

www.greenpeace.org

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/14/1199570023/exxon-climate-change-fossil-fuels-global-warming-oil-gas

The forgotten oil ads that told us climate change was nothing

Since the 1980s, fossil fuel firms have run ads touting climate denial messages – many of which they’d now like us to forget. Here’s our visual guide

www.theguardian.com

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago

A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[elektra]

What's your opinion of the oil companies lying to us? What did you think of the tobacco companies lying to us? Do you know anyone harmed by tobacco?

Tobacco is not a part of the OP

 

[elektra]

You need to separate what was actually put out by scientists and what was not. Here is sea level rise from 1993 to the present:

View attachment 891952

No one was going to look at these data and forecast NYC being washed away by this point. Note the vertical scale. There is, however, a non-trivial chance of a catastrophic collapse (as opposed to the gradual collapse unstoppably taking place now) of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) that could cause global sea level to rise by 5 meters (16.4 feet) in a matter of days. The mainstream science position is that it will take over a century for the WAIS to collapse. I'm a cynic.

I thought this was about the fossil fuel industry? Now you are talking about the sea level?

Crick, berates those who are off topic while leading us all, off topic

 

[Crick]

Tobacco is not a part of the OP

The tobacco industry provided the model on which the fossil fuel industry based their campaign of lies.

 

[Crick]

I thought this was about the fossil fuel industry? Now you are talking about the sea level?

Crick, berates those who are off topic while leading us all, off topic

You've got me there. Mea culpa.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What's your opinion of the oil companies lying to us? What did you think of the tobacco companies lying to us? Do you know anyone harmed by tobacco?

What's your opinion of the oil companies lying to us?

What lie did they tell you? When?

 

[EMH]

The deniers here constantly accuse the world's climate scientists of ALL being involved in a massive and decades-long hoat to push global warming in order to 1) Get rich 2) Remain employed 3) Gain control over the population 4) Destroy western civilization. Unfortunately for them, they have ZERO evidence to support those claims.

Deniers here have also constantly IGNORED the possibility that the fossil fuel industry, seeing global warming mitigation measures as an existential threat, might make efforts to slow the acceptance of the science and the measures required to combat this problem. Unfortunately for them, there is a wealth of evidence to prove that this is precisely what they have done and that all deniers have served admirably as the industry's "useful idiots".

Oil companies discourage climate action, study says

Harvard researchers have turned a spotlight on the sometimes subtle, yet effective, strategies employed by oil companies to foster doubt and delay action on climate change.

news.harvard.edu

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep00046.7.pdf

Exxon’s Climate Denial History: A Timeline

A review of Exxon's knowledge and subsequent denial of climate change.

www.greenpeace.org

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/14/1199570023/exxon-climate-change-fossil-fuels-global-warming-oil-gas

The forgotten oil ads that told us climate change was nothing

Since the 1980s, fossil fuel firms have run ads touting climate denial messages – many of which they’d now like us to forget. Here’s our visual guide

www.theguardian.com

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago

A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

www.scientificamerican.com

This is the fallback boogey man...

It is all big oil's fault.

Problem - while many Zionist Fascists in the oil industry have bowed to the laughable Co2 FRAUD, planet Earth is not warming at all

 

[HeyNorm]

You need to separate what was actually put out by scientists and what was not. Here is sea level rise from 1993 to the present:

View attachment 891952

No one was going to look at these data and forecast NYC being washed away by this point. Note the vertical scale. There is, however, a non-trivial chance of a catastrophic collapse (as opposed to the gradual collapse unstoppably taking place now) of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) that could cause global sea level to rise by 5 meters (16.4 feet) in a matter of days. The mainstream science position is that it will take over a century for the WAIS to collapse. I'm a cynic.

Trying to get the sea side real estate from the common folk, for the rich? THAT ARE BUYING IT!

You folks crack me up!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So Saturn's moon Titan is not on Earth. Really. Baby steps for you.

Really?!! How did you get so smart?

How does Titan have gigantic lakes of “fossil fuels”?

 

[Crick]

This is the fallback boogey man...

It is all big oil's fault.

Problem - while many Zionist Fascists in the oil industry have bowed to the laughable Co2 FRAUD, planet Earth is not warming at all

Fuck you, you ignorant, lying bigot.

 

[Grumblenuts]

How does Titan have gigantic lakes of “fossil fuels”?

Indeed. Your crazy theory, son. So do tell, "How"?