The Left Loses Ground...

[bripat9643]

You posted no facts. You posted a myth and a bogus theory.

Yea, all these scientists and doctors are just making this shit up pea brain. As I said, you are a retard.

Coal's Assault on Human Health
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Physicians for Social Responsibility has released a groundbreaking medical report, “Coal’s Assault on Human Health,” which takes a new look at the devastating impacts of coal on the human body. Coal combustion releases mercury, particulate matter, nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide, and dozens of other substances known to be hazardous to human health. This report looks at the cumulative harm inflicted by those pollutants on three major body organ systems: the respiratory system, the cardiovascular system, and the nervous system.

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AHA Scientific Statement
Air Pollution and Cardiovascular Disease
A Statement for Healthcare Professionals From the Expert Panel on Population and Prevention Science of the American Heart Association

1. Robert D. Brook, MD;
2. Barry Franklin, PhD, Chair;
3. Wayne Cascio, MD;
4. Yuling Hong, MD, PhD;
5. George Howard, PhD;
6. Michael Lipsett, MD;
7. Russell Luepker, MD;
8. Murray Mittleman, MD, ScD;
9. Jonathan Samet, MD;
10. Sidney C. Smith Jr, MD;
11. Ira Tager, MD

Abstract
Air pollution is a heterogeneous, complex mixture of gases, liquids, and particulate matter. Epidemiological studies have demonstrated a consistent increased risk for cardiovascular events in relation to both short- and long-term exposure to present-day concentrations of ambient particulate matter. Several plausible mechanistic pathways have been described, including enhanced coagulation/thrombosis, a propensity for arrhythmias, acute arterial vasoconstriction, systemic inflammatory responses, and the chronic promotion of atherosclerosis. The purpose of this statement is to provide healthcare professionals and regulatory agencies with a comprehensive review of the literature on air pollution and cardiovascular disease. In addition, the implications of these findings in relation to public health and regulatory policies are addressed. Practical recommendations for healthcare providers and their patients are outlined. In the final section, suggestions for future research are made to address a number of remaining scientific questions.


F.A. Hayek had you pea brains pegged way back in 1960...

An excerpt from
The Constitution of Liberty
The Definitive Edition
F. A. Hayek

Why I am Not a Conservative

Personally, I find that the most objectionable feature of the conservative attitude is its propensity to reject well-substantiated new knowledge because it dislikes some of the consequences which seem to follow from it—or, to put it bluntly, its obscurantism. I will not deny that scientists as much as others are given to fads and fashions and that we have much reason to be cautious in accepting the conclusions that they draw from their latest theories. But the reasons for our reluctance must themselves be rational and must be kept separate from our regret that the new theories upset our cherished beliefs. I can have little patience with those who oppose, for instance, the theory of evolution or what are called “mechanistic” explanations of the phenomena of life simply because of certain moral consequences which at first seem to follow from these theories, and still less with those who regard it as irreverent or impious to ask certain questions at all. By refusing to face the facts, the conservative only weakens his own position. Frequently the conclusions which rationalist presumption draws from new scientific insights do not at all follow from them. But only by actively taking part in the elaboration of the consequences of new discoveries do we learn whether or not they fit into our world picture and, if so, how. Should our moral beliefs really prove to be dependent on factual assumptions shown to be incorrect, it would be hardly moral to defend them by refusing to acknowledge facts.

All their "results" are based on a faulty theory. First prove the theory is true and then perhaps rational people might accept your claims. Oh. . . . . . I forgot, the empirical evidence has already shot your bogus theory full of holes.

"Faulty theory"??? We KNOW the toxins by name. We KNOW the adverse effects those toxin have on humans. The only thing "faulty" is your brain being the size of a pea...

You obviously believe playing stupid is a good debate strategy. As I already explained, we don't know that if a substance is toxic in large concentrations, that it is equally toxic in small concentration. I already explained this in excruciating detail in my previous post, but you are pretending that it wasn't mentioned.

Either address the point I made or just shut the fuck up. You're a dishonest piece of crap.

No, I PROVIDED "excruciating detail"...NOTHING you EVER provide has ANY "details"...just dogma, doctrinaire, propaganda, and EMOTIONS

AHA Study

Epidemiological studies have demonstrated a consistent increased risk for cardiovascular events in relation to both short- and long-term exposure to present-day concentrations of ambient particulate matter. Several plausible mechanistic pathways have been described, including enhanced coagulation/thrombosis, a propensity for arrhythmias, acute arterial vasoconstriction, systemic inflammatory responses, and the chronic promotion of atherosclerosis.

They have demonstrated no such thing. There is no correlation between any health issue and air pollution. That's just pure bullshit. The paper you cited doesn't even mention any statistical correlation between burning coal and heal problems. One thing it did is claim that Asthma increased by 84% from 1980 to 2004. If anything that statistic shows that the incidence of asthma doesn't correlate with air pollution since the concentration of air pollution in most cities and show a dramatic decrease in most cities.

I could go on and on criticizing this piece of shit study, but that alone should be enough to condemn it.

 

[Bfgrn]

They have demonstrated no such thing. There is no correlation between any health issue and air pollution. That's just pure bullshit. The paper you cited doesn't even mention any statistical correlation between burning coal and heal problems. One thing it did is claim that Asthma increased by 84% from 1980 to 2004. If anything that statistic shows that the incidence of asthma doesn't correlate with air pollution since the concentration of air pollution in most cities and show a dramatic decrease in most cities.

I could go on and on criticizing this piece of shit study, but that alone should be enough to condemn it.

You did it AGAIN...

WHAT don't you comprehend about...

Epidemiological studies have demonstrated a consistent increased risk for cardiovascular events in relation to both short- and long-term exposure to present-day concentrations of ambient particulate matter.


The FACTS condemn your gross ignorance...

"correlation between burning coal and health problems"

HBO’s Real Sports Shows the Way
The cable network shows other outlets how it's done with a segment about the effects of power plant emissions on the health of young athletes.

In a segment entitled, “The Air We Breathe,” producer Joe Perskie and correspondent Jon Frankel investigate the link between childhood asthma and airborne pollutants from coal-burning energy plants (full disclosure: one of the segment’s editors is a friend of this writer). Along the way, the show illustrates how kids who grow up in proximity to such plants tend to have a much greater chance of developing serious, debilitating respiratory problems — problems that could be prevented, in large part, if energy companies would update their plants with pollution-reducing scrubbers, technology that already exists.

The producers recount how during the 1990s, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) began cracking down on energy companies that were violating federal regulations, requiring them to install the pollution-reducing scrubbers anytime they made major renovations to their plants — a requirement known as “new source review.” But those investigations, the producers note, were quickly and unceremoniously squashed by the Bush administration following its campaign victory in 2000 — a campaign, as it turns out, which was heavily financed by some of the energy company executives who benefited substantially from the rollback in the regulations.

None of which is exactly fresh news. Various other media organizations — ranging from the New York Times to the Texas Observer to the American Prospect — have already done a thorough job of exploring how (and on whose behalf) the Bush administration rolled back some of the country’s clean air standards. Call it death by a thousand back-scratches.

That said, “The Air We Breathe,” offers a compelling portrait of the resulting damage — and a powerful reminder of how one lobbyist’s triumphant victory can amount to another kid’s crippling defeat. Along the way, Real Sports takes us to a field in Ohio, where kids play softball in the backyard of a coal-burning plant — that is, as the correspondent notes, “when they are breathing well enough to play.” Real Sport introduces us to teenage athletes in the vicinity of power-producing plants who have been prematurely (and perhaps permanently) sidelined by respiratory problems. And the shows interviews one former EPA official, who resigned in disgust over the clean air rollbacks, and whose own young son is currently suffering from asthma.

“I felt like a crowd of big polluters with political connections and a lot of money were just getting away with something,” the former EPA official tells Real Sports. “Honestly it felt to me like they were kind of robbing the bank. And we were just powerless to do anything to stop it.”

Apparently, he wasn’t alone.

Perhaps the show’s biggest coup is landing a frank interview with Christine Todd Whitman, former Bush-appointed head of the EPA, who resigned only a few years into the job back in May 2003.

At the time, there was much speculation about why Whitman stepped down (she told reporters that she wanted to spend more time with her family). But in her interview with Real Sports, Whitman, who is known to be a good soldier hesitant to criticize her former boss in the White House, owns up to the real reason she resigned — specifically, she didn’t want her name attached to the rollback in new source review regulations.

“There was clearly a very strong bias toward doing away with new source review, dramatically changing new source review,” said Whitman. “I pushed back very hard on that. … I said ‘Enough, I fought this for two and a half years, I have tried, that’s it. It’s not going to be at a place where I’m going to be comfortable. I can’t do this.’”

Throughout, the producers manage to avoid many of the pitfalls of the sick-kid genre of reporting, for instance keeping maudlin interviews with parents to a minimum. Likewise, the show deftly avoids gratuitous or overreaching swipes at the president. Instead, Real Sports keeps the focus relentlessly on the real story at hand — that is, how the rollback of the new source review has some energy executives breathing easy and many would-be young athletes struggling for breath.

This isn’t the kind of thing we usually expect from HBO’s Real Sports. It is the kind of thing we expect from purportedly serious purveyors of news and analysis, such as our major newspapers, magazines, cable outlets, and networks.

If they want to learn how to do it, studying Gumbel’s Real Sports report would be a good start.

 

[Seawytch]

Nope...that's just what our puritanical roots will allow.

Are you disputing his number...98%?

Studies put homosexuals at 1.4%


"A new Gallup Poll shows Americans grossly over-estimating the percentage of homosexuals in the population. Most people assume that gays and lesbians represent more than 25% of adults. Among young people aged 18 to 29, only one percent—one percent!—correctly identified the real percentage as less than 5%. Actually, best estimates from a new federal study suggest only 1.4% identify as homosexual.

The wildly mistaken idea that one of four Americans pursues same sex relationships and, therefore, traditional marriage is dead, falsely suggests that the old American dream of mom and dad and kids is no longer widely desired. If a quarter of all adults can’t embrace that dream because they’re gay, that explains the desire to radically redefine marriage. But the truth is that not even the 1.4% who identify as gay would all require that redefinition."
Michael Medved - Political Conservative News Blog

I don't dispute that you believe that gays only make up 2% of the population.

I quoted a fact.

Deal with it.

You provided a link to a RW Nutblog and then claim "facts"?

There is nothing to "deal" with. I understand you believe gays only make up 2% of the population. That is your "deeply held belief" and you're entitled to it.

I also understand that it's only 2% of the population that recognizes their sexuality and is comfortable declaring it to pollsters.

Jews only make up 2% of the US population. And?

So you think there are a lot of people who are secretly part of some giant conspiracy to conceal the number of gay people?

No...I know there are a lot of people who claim to be straight when asked by pollsters or the Census that are not.

 

[Seawytch]

I don't dispute that you believe that gays only make up 2% of the population.

I quoted a fact.

Deal with it.

You stated a list of opinions.

Of course I didn't, NYLiar.


1. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporatedDeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3]"
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "In light of this, it was not surprising that the recent findings of a survey released in March by the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was largely ignored by the media. The survey is titled Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States: Data From the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. This prestigious and thorough federal study revealed that only 1.4% of Americans identify themselves as homosexual."


3. "The clear impact of these figures have led some leaders among homosexual activists to acknowledge the truth. Brad Sears, of the Williams Institute (a “gay think tank” well respected among homosexual activists) said that homosexual leaders should “let go” of the inflated figures quoted in the past. He continued to say that, “with other populations of a similar size of 2% to 4%, we don’t question whether there are too many or too few.”
In the News One Point Four Percent Sound Teaching

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Are you disputing his number...98%?

Studies put homosexuals at 1.4%


"A new Gallup Poll shows Americans grossly over-estimating the percentage of homosexuals in the population. Most people assume that gays and lesbians represent more than 25% of adults. Among young people aged 18 to 29, only one percent—one percent!—correctly identified the real percentage as less than 5%. Actually, best estimates from a new federal study suggest only 1.4% identify as homosexual.

The wildly mistaken idea that one of four Americans pursues same sex relationships and, therefore, traditional marriage is dead, falsely suggests that the old American dream of mom and dad and kids is no longer widely desired. If a quarter of all adults can’t embrace that dream because they’re gay, that explains the desire to radically redefine marriage. But the truth is that not even the 1.4% who identify as gay would all require that redefinition."
Michael Medved - Political Conservative News Blog

I don't dispute that you believe that gays only make up 2% of the population.

I quoted a fact.

Deal with it.

You provided a link to a RW Nutblog and then claim "facts"?

There is nothing to "deal" with. I understand you believe gays only make up 2% of the population. That is your "deeply held belief" and you're entitled to it.

I also understand that it's only 2% of the population that recognizes their sexuality and is comfortable declaring it to pollsters.

Jews only make up 2% of the US population. And?

So you think there are a lot of people who are secretly part of some giant conspiracy to conceal the number of gay people?

No...I know there are a lot of people who claim to be straight when asked by pollsters or the Census that are not.

Lindsay Graham springs to mind!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I quoted a fact.

Deal with it.

You stated a list of opinions.

Of course I didn't, NYLiar.


1. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporatedDeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3]"
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "In light of this, it was not surprising that the recent findings of a survey released in March by the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was largely ignored by the media. The survey is titled Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States: Data From the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. This prestigious and thorough federal study revealed that only 1.4% of Americans identify themselves as homosexual."


3. "The clear impact of these figures have led some leaders among homosexual activists to acknowledge the truth. Brad Sears, of the Williams Institute (a “gay think tank” well respected among homosexual activists) said that homosexual leaders should “let go” of the inflated figures quoted in the past. He continued to say that, “with other populations of a similar size of 2% to 4%, we don’t question whether there are too many or too few.”
In the News One Point Four Percent Sound Teaching

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You stated a list of opinions.

Of course I didn't, NYLiar.


1. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporatedDeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3]"
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "In light of this, it was not surprising that the recent findings of a survey released in March by the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was largely ignored by the media. The survey is titled Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States: Data From the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. This prestigious and thorough federal study revealed that only 1.4% of Americans identify themselves as homosexual."


3. "The clear impact of these figures have led some leaders among homosexual activists to acknowledge the truth. Brad Sears, of the Williams Institute (a “gay think tank” well respected among homosexual activists) said that homosexual leaders should “let go” of the inflated figures quoted in the past. He continued to say that, “with other populations of a similar size of 2% to 4%, we don’t question whether there are too many or too few.”
In the News One Point Four Percent Sound Teaching

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

If gays are only 2%, doesn't that just further destroy the anti-gay belief that gay marriage is going to destroy the nation?

 

[Seawytch]

You stated a list of opinions.

Of course I didn't, NYLiar.


1. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporatedDeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3]"
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "In light of this, it was not surprising that the recent findings of a survey released in March by the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was largely ignored by the media. The survey is titled Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States: Data From the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. This prestigious and thorough federal study revealed that only 1.4% of Americans identify themselves as homosexual."


3. "The clear impact of these figures have led some leaders among homosexual activists to acknowledge the truth. Brad Sears, of the Williams Institute (a “gay think tank” well respected among homosexual activists) said that homosexual leaders should “let go” of the inflated figures quoted in the past. He continued to say that, “with other populations of a similar size of 2% to 4%, we don’t question whether there are too many or too few.”
In the News One Point Four Percent Sound Teaching

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

 

[Bfgrn]

Of course I didn't, NYLiar.


1. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporatedDeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3]"
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "In light of this, it was not surprising that the recent findings of a survey released in March by the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was largely ignored by the media. The survey is titled Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States: Data From the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. This prestigious and thorough federal study revealed that only 1.4% of Americans identify themselves as homosexual."


3. "The clear impact of these figures have led some leaders among homosexual activists to acknowledge the truth. Brad Sears, of the Williams Institute (a “gay think tank” well respected among homosexual activists) said that homosexual leaders should “let go” of the inflated figures quoted in the past. He continued to say that, “with other populations of a similar size of 2% to 4%, we don’t question whether there are too many or too few.”
In the News One Point Four Percent Sound Teaching

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

PC is pushing mob rule...

 

[Bfgrn]

The Left Loses Ground...

No, the left is gaining ground...

On Social Ideology, the Left Catches Up to the Right

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Thirty-one percent of Americans describe their views on social issues as generally liberal, matching the percentage who identify as social conservatives for the first time in Gallup records dating back to 1999.

Gallup


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

 

[Bfgrn]

Record-High 60% of Americans Support Same-Sex Marriage

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sixty percent of Americans now support same-sex marriage, as the Supreme Court prepares to rule on its constitutionality next month. This is up from 55% last year and is the highest Gallup has found on the question since it was first asked in 1996.

New Highs in Support Across Party Spectrum

Though same-sex marriage continues to be politically divisive, support for its legal status has reached new highs among Americans of all political stripes -- with Democrats at 76% support, independents at 64% and Republicans at 37%.

Gallup

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course I didn't, NYLiar.


1. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporatedDeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3]"
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "In light of this, it was not surprising that the recent findings of a survey released in March by the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was largely ignored by the media. The survey is titled Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States: Data From the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. This prestigious and thorough federal study revealed that only 1.4% of Americans identify themselves as homosexual."


3. "The clear impact of these figures have led some leaders among homosexual activists to acknowledge the truth. Brad Sears, of the Williams Institute (a “gay think tank” well respected among homosexual activists) said that homosexual leaders should “let go” of the inflated figures quoted in the past. He continued to say that, “with other populations of a similar size of 2% to 4%, we don’t question whether there are too many or too few.”
In the News One Point Four Percent Sound Teaching

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

Sure.


"Surveys show a shockingly high fraction think a quarter of the country is gay or lesbian, when the reality is that it's probably less than 2 percent.

Such a misunderstanding of the basic demographics of sexual behavior and identity in America has potentially profound implications for the acceptance of the gay-rights agenda.

One in ten. It's the name of the group that puts on the Reel Affirmations gay and lesbian film festival in Washington, D.C., each year. It's the percent popularized by the Kinsey Report as the size of the gay male population. And it's among the most common figures pointed to in popular culture as an estimate of how many people are gay or lesbian."
Americans Have No Idea How Few Gay People There Are - The Atlantic


"...entitled to equal rights?"

Nonsense.

You're simply too weak to stand up for what you believe.
You bullies won't be satisfied unless everyone pats you on the back for being gay.

I've said I don't care one way or another.
If it comes to a vote, I vote against gay marriage as an intellectual endeavor. See, I've never found that any major religion endorses, supports same....and none of the philosophers I've studied came out in favor of homosexuality- most did come out against things like slavery.

So...it makes no difference to me. If you expect me to engage in same, I'd decline...but do what you wish in private.

Just stop telling me to advocate it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you committing to the idea that the results of all polls should be treated as fact?

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

PC is pushing mob rule...

If I were, you'd be tarred and feathered!

Probably improve your looks.

 

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[Bfgrn]

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

· The total population of the U.S.is 285,230,516.

· The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.

· The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!
Science vs. the Gay Gene


If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

PC is pushing mob rule...

If I were, you'd be tarred and feathered!

Probably improve your looks.

Of course PC...it is your authoritarian upbringing

 

[PoliticalChic]

The 2000 Census asked what question about gays? Oh, right...it didn't ask any. The 2010 asked about gay couples, not singles. The census does not ask if you are gay or straight.

Until everyone wakes up with a purple dot on their forehead indicating they've ever had a same sex wet dream, attraction or actual experience, you're never going to know.

Best guesses has it around 3.5-4% in the US. (More than Jews and Koreans)

How Many People are LGBT?

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

PC is pushing mob rule...

If I were, you'd be tarred and feathered!

Probably improve your looks.

Of course PC...it is your authoritarian upbringing

Nah....it's the fact that you're a dope and don't understand the Marxist indoctrination that informs your words.

1. “Under Horkheimer’s leadership the Frankfurt School attracted some brilliant scholars and intellectuals such as Theodor Adorno, Eric Fromm, Wilhelm Reich, Walter Benjamin, Leo Lowenthal and Herbert Marcuse. Like Trotsky, Luxemburg, Lukacs, Bela Kun and other notable European Marxists in the early 1900s, many of the Frankfurt scholars were secular Jews, a fact that the Nazis successfully exploited in their propaganda regarding a “Jewish conspiracy” of Communist intellectuals who were perverting German society.”
. [William S. Lind, “Further Readings in the Frankfurt School,” in Political Correctness: A Short History of an ideology.
www.freecongress.org.]


2. Based on their influence on the New Left from the ‘60’s, these neo-Marxists have largely succeeded in terms of secularizing American culture and undermining traditional values and institutions, and much of its ideology, inspiration and tactics were gleaned from the Frankfurt School’s Institute of Social Research.

a. A key component of Critical Theory was its integration of Marxism with Darwinism and Freudianism, which, based on the idea of sexual repression, could be used against Judeo-Christian morality. Wilhelm Reich combined Darwin and Freud, and propounded the idea that humans are no different than any other animals in terms of sex, and therefore, there need be no sexual restrictions, and the blame should be placed on the authoritarian structure of the traditional family.

3. The Frankfurters attacked middle class values from every angle. They attacked the foundations of the Western educational system: reason became a symptom of “oppression,” what was “logical” was whatever supported the Frankfurter's politics. Science was only useful if it could be twisted into propaganda. The Classics became unfashionable.

In reality, the Frankfurters were agitating for an education system that would dumb down the populace and make them less able to identify their own interests.

The Frankfurters adopted de Sade's social destabilization techniques. Sexual perversion became “freedom”. Loving your race, family and culture became “authoritarian”— unless of course you were non-white. Mentally healthy people were those who rejected their family and looked with eager eyes toward the “return of the repressed.”
The Difficult Class Four Winds 10 - Truth Winds

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So....what's your quibble?

Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....

What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?

Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?

About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).

What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)

PC is pushing mob rule...

If I were, you'd be tarred and feathered!

Probably improve your looks.

Of course PC...it is your authoritarian upbringing

Nah....it's the fact that you're a dope and don't understand the Marxist indoctrination that informs your words.

1. “Under Horkheimer’s leadership the Frankfurt School attracted some brilliant scholars and intellectuals such as Theodor Adorno, Eric Fromm, Wilhelm Reich, Walter Benjamin, Leo Lowenthal and Herbert Marcuse. Like Trotsky, Luxemburg, Lukacs, Bela Kun and other notable European Marxists in the early 1900s, many of the Frankfurt scholars were secular Jews, a fact that the Nazis successfully exploited in their propaganda regarding a “Jewish conspiracy” of Communist intellectuals who were perverting German society.”
. [William S. Lind, “Further Readings in the Frankfurt School,” in Political Correctness: A Short History of an ideology.
www.freecongress.org.]


2. Based on their influence on the New Left from the ‘60’s, these neo-Marxists have largely succeeded in terms of secularizing American culture and undermining traditional values and institutions, and much of its ideology, inspiration and tactics were gleaned from the Frankfurt School’s Institute of Social Research.

a. A key component of Critical Theory was its integration of Marxism with Darwinism and Freudianism, which, based on the idea of sexual repression, could be used against Judeo-Christian morality. Wilhelm Reich combined Darwin and Freud, and propounded the idea that humans are no different than any other animals in terms of sex, and therefore, there need be no sexual restrictions, and the blame should be placed on the authoritarian structure of the traditional family.

3. The Frankfurters attacked middle class values from every angle. They attacked the foundations of the Western educational system: reason became a symptom of “oppression,” what was “logical” was whatever supported the Frankfurter's politics. Science was only useful if it could be twisted into propaganda. The Classics became unfashionable.

In reality, the Frankfurters were agitating for an education system that would dumb down the populace and make them less able to identify their own interests.

The Frankfurters adopted de Sade's social destabilization techniques. Sexual perversion became “freedom”. Loving your race, family and culture became “authoritarian”— unless of course you were non-white. Mentally healthy people were those who rejected their family and looked with eager eyes toward the “return of the repressed.”
The Difficult Class Four Winds 10 - Truth Winds

All facets of Left-think rest entirely upon Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance...

This because the Ideas that comprise "The Left", are simply foolish.

Its ittle more than the every present grope for a softer, easier way.

Rights without the need to bear the responsibilities that sustain those rights... the common goal of children and fools throughout human history.

 

[Jroc]

Of course, they can't name a single person who had "air pollution" listed as the cause of death on his death certificate. These so-called "studies" are based on the premise that if a massive amount of a substance is known to cause X number of deaths per million people, then X/10,000 will cause X*100 deaths per million people. Of course, that theory is entirely unsupported by the empirical evidence. In fact, if it shows anything, it shows that a substance will cause absolutely no mal effects if the concentration goes below a certain point.

Your "study" is nothing more than eco-commie-propaganda funded by the EPA.

Exactly the ignorant reply I expected...EXACTLY.

I proved you wrong with facts, you continue to emote with ZERO evidence...ASSHOLE

You posted no facts. You posted a myth and a bogus theory.

Yea, all these scientists and doctors are just making this shit up pea brain. As I said, you are a retard.

Coal's Assault on Human Health
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Physicians for Social Responsibility has released a groundbreaking medical report, “Coal’s Assault on Human Health,” which takes a new look at the devastating impacts of coal on the human body. Coal combustion releases mercury, particulate matter, nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide, and dozens of other substances known to be hazardous to human health. This report looks at the cumulative harm inflicted by those pollutants on three major body organ systems: the respiratory system, the cardiovascular system, and the nervous system.

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AHA Scientific Statement
Air Pollution and Cardiovascular Disease
A Statement for Healthcare Professionals From the Expert Panel on Population and Prevention Science of the American Heart Association

1. Robert D. Brook, MD;
2. Barry Franklin, PhD, Chair;
3. Wayne Cascio, MD;
4. Yuling Hong, MD, PhD;
5. George Howard, PhD;
6. Michael Lipsett, MD;
7. Russell Luepker, MD;
8. Murray Mittleman, MD, ScD;
9. Jonathan Samet, MD;
10. Sidney C. Smith Jr, MD;
11. Ira Tager, MD

Abstract
Air pollution is a heterogeneous, complex mixture of gases, liquids, and particulate matter. Epidemiological studies have demonstrated a consistent increased risk for cardiovascular events in relation to both short- and long-term exposure to present-day concentrations of ambient particulate matter. Several plausible mechanistic pathways have been described, including enhanced coagulation/thrombosis, a propensity for arrhythmias, acute arterial vasoconstriction, systemic inflammatory responses, and the chronic promotion of atherosclerosis. The purpose of this statement is to provide healthcare professionals and regulatory agencies with a comprehensive review of the literature on air pollution and cardiovascular disease. In addition, the implications of these findings in relation to public health and regulatory policies are addressed. Practical recommendations for healthcare providers and their patients are outlined. In the final section, suggestions for future research are made to address a number of remaining scientific questions.


F.A. Hayek had you pea brains pegged way back in 1960...

An excerpt from
The Constitution of Liberty
The Definitive Edition
F. A. Hayek

Why I am Not a Conservative

Personally, I find that the most objectionable feature of the conservative attitude is its propensity to reject well-substantiated new knowledge because it dislikes some of the consequences which seem to follow from it—or, to put it bluntly, its obscurantism. I will not deny that scientists as much as others are given to fads and fashions and that we have much reason to be cautious in accepting the conclusions that they draw from their latest theories. But the reasons for our reluctance must themselves be rational and must be kept separate from our regret that the new theories upset our cherished beliefs. I can have little patience with those who oppose, for instance, the theory of evolution or what are called “mechanistic” explanations of the phenomena of life simply because of certain moral consequences which at first seem to follow from these theories, and still less with those who regard it as irreverent or impious to ask certain questions at all. By refusing to face the facts, the conservative only weakens his own position. Frequently the conclusions which rationalist presumption draws from new scientific insights do not at all follow from them. But only by actively taking part in the elaboration of the consequences of new discoveries do we learn whether or not they fit into our world picture and, if so, how. Should our moral beliefs really prove to be dependent on factual assumptions shown to be incorrect, it would be hardly moral to defend them by refusing to acknowledge facts.

All their "results" are based on a faulty theory. First prove the theory is true and then perhaps rational people might accept your claims. Oh. . . . . . I forgot, the empirical evidence has already shot your bogus theory full of holes.

"Faulty theory"??? We KNOW the toxins by name. We KNOW the adverse effects those toxin have on humans. The only thing "faulty" is your brain being the size of a pea...

So it's not cow flatulence?

Cow Flatulence Accelerate Global Warming?

With the planetary effects of long-term human negligence exposing itself more and more everyday, experts are now experimenting with cow farts and burps in an attempt to curb global warming. Scientists claim that the slow digestive system of cows designates them a leading producer of methane – a potent greenhouse gas that receives far less social awareness than CO2. To further “digest” the impact of the flatulence produced by cows on climate change,

Does Cow Flatulence Accelerate Global Warming

 

[Jroc]

I don't dispute that you believe that gays only make up 2% of the population.

I quoted a fact.

Deal with it.

You provided a link to a RW Nutblog and then claim "facts"?

There is nothing to "deal" with. I understand you believe gays only make up 2% of the population. That is your "deeply held belief" and you're entitled to it.

I also understand that it's only 2% of the population that recognizes their sexuality and is comfortable declaring it to pollsters.

Jews only make up 2% of the US population. And?

Koreans are about .6% of the population. I have no idea why we give that tiny minority equal rights.

lol

Are Koreans trying to make it legal to marry other Koreans?

Too busy building Hyundai and Kia cars.....

Kinda of funny these "tolerant leftist" always bring up your ethnic backround