The Left Loses Ground...

[PaintMyHouse]

Maybe you should stop laughing...it is ironic that YOUR beliefs are the same as Hitler..

Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps

I was laughing at you and your statement that Hitler and Stalin were right wing dictators.

Why is the truth funny? Oh, I know...you are only capable of framing conservatism in parochial terms.

Tell me Einstein, would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the US Constitution, capitalism and apple pie? Or would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the communist manifesto, communism and vodka?

Based on the actual definition of the term as used, the former is the case. Someone who supports communism is not a conservative.

BTW, Stalin was an extreme social conservative who banned abortions in Russia...


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

More leftists horseshit. Anyone who claims leftists aren't authoritarians is automatically a sleazy lying POS. Do you think fining a business $135,000 for declining to bake someone a cake isn't authoritarian? Do you think speech codes on campus aren't authoritarian? Do you think telling people what kind of light bulbs they can buy isn't authoritarian?

Welcome to the real world my pissing infant, which has rules and sometimes serious consequences if you break them.

That's what every Nazi says. They're big on rules.

So are adults but not children, which explains you Bripiss.

 

[bripat9643]

Nobody here is making the 10-20% claim. Few people today are making the 10-20% claim. That 10% number was assigned to anyone who had a wet dream...taking us back to my original assertion that sexuality is a scale and you're simply never going to know how many gay people or straight people there are.

And we're still back to the numbers don't matter when it comes to minority rights.

There's absolutely no statistical bases for an claim that homosexuals make up more than 2% of the population, so why do queers keep claiming higher numbers?

Once you believe in small lie of 10%, it easier to accept bigger lie of 20%.

It's like federal government claims they need to take our right away to protect us. First they came after our privacy, then after speech, then search an seizure, they keep coming for guns, they'll not give up untill they got them all...

It was the Bush administration that took away your privacy and you applauded when they did so you only have yourself to blame.

No libertarian ever applauded to such things. Patriot Act wasn't constitutional then, and its not constitutional now.

Not a single Libertarian spoke up and objected therefore you all consented to the patriot Act.

Plenty of libertarians objected, asshole.

Political positions of Ron Paul - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Paul broke with his party by voting against the PATRIOT Act in 2001; he also voted against its 2005 enactment.[122] He has spoken against federal use of what he defines as torture and what he sees as an abuse of executive authority during the Iraq War to override Constitutional rights.[123]​

 

[bripat9643]

I was laughing at you and your statement that Hitler and Stalin were right wing dictators.

Why is the truth funny? Oh, I know...you are only capable of framing conservatism in parochial terms.

Tell me Einstein, would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the US Constitution, capitalism and apple pie? Or would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the communist manifesto, communism and vodka?

Based on the actual definition of the term as used, the former is the case. Someone who supports communism is not a conservative.

BTW, Stalin was an extreme social conservative who banned abortions in Russia...


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

More leftists horseshit. Anyone who claims leftists aren't authoritarians is automatically a sleazy lying POS. Do you think fining a business $135,000 for declining to bake someone a cake isn't authoritarian? Do you think speech codes on campus aren't authoritarian? Do you think telling people what kind of light bulbs they can buy isn't authoritarian?

Welcome to the real world my pissing infant, which has rules and sometimes serious consequences if you break them.

That's what every Nazi says. They're big on rules.

So are adults but not children, which explains you Bripiss.

Mature adults believe in leaving people alone unless they are violating your rights. Goose-stepping authoritarian assholes like you, on the other hand, support every single rule no matter how onerous or unjust it is.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why is the truth funny? Oh, I know...you are only capable of framing conservatism in parochial terms.

Tell me Einstein, would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the US Constitution, capitalism and apple pie? Or would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the communist manifesto, communism and vodka?

Based on the actual definition of the term as used, the former is the case. Someone who supports communism is not a conservative.

BTW, Stalin was an extreme social conservative who banned abortions in Russia...


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

More leftists horseshit. Anyone who claims leftists aren't authoritarians is automatically a sleazy lying POS. Do you think fining a business $135,000 for declining to bake someone a cake isn't authoritarian? Do you think speech codes on campus aren't authoritarian? Do you think telling people what kind of light bulbs they can buy isn't authoritarian?

Welcome to the real world my pissing infant, which has rules and sometimes serious consequences if you break them.

That's what every Nazi says. They're big on rules.

So are adults but not children, which explains you Bripiss.

Mature adults believe in leaving people alone unless they are violating your rights. Goose-stepping authoritarian assholes like you, on the other hand, support every single rule no matter how onerous or unjust it is.

Adults support the rules that allow citizens and society to get on with living in safety and sanity. Like all children, you want no rules but the ones that you make up that benefit you personally. That is because you are a selfish infant.

 

[bripat9643]

Based on the actual definition of the term as used, the former is the case. Someone who supports communism is not a conservative.

More leftists horseshit. Anyone who claims leftists aren't authoritarians is automatically a sleazy lying POS. Do you think fining a business $135,000 for declining to bake someone a cake isn't authoritarian? Do you think speech codes on campus aren't authoritarian? Do you think telling people what kind of light bulbs they can buy isn't authoritarian?

Welcome to the real world my pissing infant, which has rules and sometimes serious consequences if you break them.

That's what every Nazi says. They're big on rules.

So are adults but not children, which explains you Bripiss.

Mature adults believe in leaving people alone unless they are violating your rights. Goose-stepping authoritarian assholes like you, on the other hand, support every single rule no matter how onerous or unjust it is.

Adults support the rules that allow citizens and society to get on with living in safety and sanity. Like all children, you want no rules but the ones that you make up that benefit you personally. That is because you are a selfish infant.

Forcing businesses to serve queers doesn't meet that criteria. Social engineering is the only purpose of such rules, and that isn't a legitimate function of the government.

You are correct that I want no rules that don't benefit me personally. Those are the only rules the government has legitimate authority to enforce. Rules against murder and theft benefit everyone. Rules that harm some for the benefit of others or that fit some idiot's notion of improving society are are the sign of tyranny.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Welcome to the real world my pissing infant, which has rules and sometimes serious consequences if you break them.

That's what every Nazi says. They're big on rules.

So are adults but not children, which explains you Bripiss.

Mature adults believe in leaving people alone unless they are violating your rights. Goose-stepping authoritarian assholes like you, on the other hand, support every single rule no matter how onerous or unjust it is.

Adults support the rules that allow citizens and society to get on with living in safety and sanity. Like all children, you want no rules but the ones that you make up that benefit you personally. That is because you are a selfish infant.

Forcing businesses to serve queers doesn't meet that criteria.

Sorry, but it very much does. As for the rules, life is not all about you you fucking infant.

 

[Mac1958]

There is nothing liberal about today's liberals.

Liberals certainly have changed. They've gone from being open-minded, curious, tolerant people to something quite the opposite.

Not sure when that happened, but it really is a shame.

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[PaintMyHouse]

There is nothing liberal about today's liberals.

Liberals certainly have changed. They've gone from being open-minded, curious, tolerant people to something quite the opposite.

Not sure when that happened, but it really is a shame.

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The American Taliban has forced us to stop being generous or this really will be Jesusland.

 

[Bfgrn]

Childish argument...

And your argument would be?

The argument is, equal protection under the law for access to the cash and prizes, whatever they are.

The whole point of marriage laws is to give preferential treatment to families that can have children. They aren't supposed to be like a 401K available to everyone.

There is much more to marriage laws...and same sex couples can have children.

No they can't. And there is no other reason for any of our marriage laws. They definitely weren't created to a couple of fuck buddies could get government benefits.

Why are you such a truly ignorant grunt? Same sex couples can have children through either adoption, artificial insemination or surrogate parenting.

The Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law for ALL CITIZENS.

So if you want to deny same sex couples marriage rights, then YOU need to abdicate YOUR rights.

A partial list:

Whether or not you favor marriage as a social institution, there's no denying that it confers many rights, protections, and benefits -- both legal and practical. Some of these vary from state to state, but the list typically includes:

Tax Benefits

• Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
• Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

Estate Planning Benefits

• Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
• Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
• Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
• Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

Government Benefits

• Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
• Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
• Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits

• Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
• Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
• Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
• Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

Medical Benefits

• Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
• Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

Death Benefits

• Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
• Making burial or other final arrangements.

Family Benefits

• Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
• Applying for joint foster care rights.
• Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
• Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

Housing Benefits

• Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
• Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

Consumer Benefits

• Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
• Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
• Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

Other Legal Benefits and Protections

• Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
• Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
• Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
• Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
• Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
• Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

 

[Bfgrn]

Liberals certainly have changed. They've gone from being open-minded, curious, tolerant people to something quite the opposite.

Not sure when that happened, but it really is a shame.

Please define "tolerant"?

It certainly shouldn't mean subservience, being steamrolled and SILENCE

 

[Bfgrn]

NONE of that is socialism...

You are right comparing Hitler and Stalin...both were right wing dictators...

My laughter has reached uncontainable levels and my sides are now hurdling through the atmosphere at the light speed...

Maybe you should stop laughing...it is ironic that YOUR beliefs are the same as Hitler..

Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps

I was laughing at you and your statement that Hitler and Stalin were right wing dictators.

Why is the truth funny? Oh, I know...you are only capable of framing conservatism in parochial terms.

Tell me Einstein, would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the US Constitution, capitalism and apple pie? Or would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the communist manifesto, communism and vodka?

Based on the actual definition of the term as used, the former is the case. Someone who supports communism is not a conservative.

BTW, Stalin was an extreme social conservative who banned abortions in Russia...


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

More leftists horseshit. Anyone who claims leftists aren't authoritarians is automatically a sleazy lying POS. Do you think fining a business $135,000 for declining to bake someone a cake isn't authoritarian? Do you think speech codes on campus aren't authoritarian? Do you think telling people what kind of light bulbs they can buy isn't authoritarian?

So there is no such thing as conservatism except in the United States or using American parochial definitions.

 

[Bfgrn]

You are correct that I want no rules that don't benefit me personally. Those are the only rules the government has legitimate authority to enforce

Perfect...another 'keeper'...


Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
Oscar Wilde

 

[TemplarKormac]

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. -Oscar Wilde

What?

Selfishness, in your case, is demanding that others accept and condone a way of life they find sinful. If they resist, people of your ilk vilify them, demean them, berate them, or even target them for destruction. That my friend is the epitome of selfishness. People of your ilk cannot stand for one instant that there are people opposed to the idea of homosexual marriage, or for that matter, standing up for their religious beliefs to avoid being part of them.

And if we are going to start quoting people, try practicing what you preach:

"Intolerance is a form of egotism, and to condemn egotism intolerantly is to share it."

-George Santayana

 

[Bfgrn]

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. -Oscar Wilde

What?

Selfishness, in your case, is demanding that others accept and condone a way of life they find sinful. If they resist, people of your ilk vilify them, demean them, berate them, or even target them for destruction. That my friend is the epitome of selfishness. People of your ilk cannot stand for one instant that there are people opposed to the idea of homosexual marriage, or for that matter, standing up for their religious beliefs to avoid being part of them.

And if we are going to start quoting people, try practicing what you preach:

"Intolerance is a form of egotism, and to condemn egotism intolerantly is to share it."

-George Santayana

No one is requiring you to LIVE a different lifestyle or even "condone" it. But selfishness is demanding other live like YOU. So, YES, ACCEPTING that others live a different lifestyle that has no effect on what you do is call US-selfishness.

 

[jasonnfree]

Why is the truth funny? Oh, I know...you are only capable of framing conservatism in parochial terms.

Tell me Einstein, would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the US Constitution, capitalism and apple pie? Or would a conservative in Russia want to 'conserve' the communist manifesto, communism and vodka?

Based on the actual definition of the term as used, the former is the case. Someone who supports communism is not a conservative.

BTW, Stalin was an extreme social conservative who banned abortions in Russia...


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

More leftists horseshit. Anyone who claims leftists aren't authoritarians is automatically a sleazy lying POS. Do you think fining a business $135,000 for declining to bake someone a cake isn't authoritarian? Do you think speech codes on campus aren't authoritarian? Do you think telling people what kind of light bulbs they can buy isn't authoritarian?

Welcome to the real world my pissing infant, which has rules and sometimes serious consequences if you break them.

That's what every Nazi says. They're big on rules.

So are adults but not children, which explains you Bripiss.

Mature adults believe in leaving people alone unless they are violating your rights. Goose-stepping authoritarian assholes like you, on the other hand, support every single rule no matter how onerous or unjust it is.

Mature adults don't believe in using insults and vulgarity when they can't seem to get their point across - unlike you.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But selfishness is demanding other live like YOU.

Uh, no. Why would I want anyone to live like me? I'm fat and jobless. I would much rather they do more productive things with their lives than I have. I wouldn't dare inflict my way of life on anyone.

No one is requiring you to LIVE a different lifestyle or even "condone" it.

Yeah, they are. You (not you personally) are requiring me to accept and condone a form of marriage that is an affront to my religious beliefs. Each time someone like you calls a person like me a bigot, you're telling me my way of life and the precepts of my faith are unacceptable to you, and that they are offensive to the existing societal norms; and if I knew what was good for me, I would start tolerating gay marriage, or else.

So, YES, ACCEPTING that others live a different lifestyle that has no effect on what you do is call US-selfishness.

Okay, I know the anger is seeping through in your post, but...

I accept that people have different ways of life than I do. I don't really care. It isn't my business, nor do I want it to be. I only wish gays had the same attitude about my faith. The feeling should be mutual, shouldn't it?

An old redneck saying:

"You leave the bees alone and they'll leave you alone."

 

[SAYIT]

Yeah, they are. You (no you personally) are requiring me to accept and condone a form of marriage that is an affront to my religious beliefs. Each time someone like you calls a person like me a bigot, you're telling me my way of life and the precepts of my faith are unacceptable to you, and that they are offensive to the existing societal norms; and if I knew what was good for me, I would start tolerating gay marriage, or else.

Yeah ... no, TC. No one is forcing anyone to tolerate gay marriage or perform or attend gay marriages. You are not the victim of others bigotry ... at least in this matter.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No one is forcing anyone to tolerate gay marriage or perform or attend gay marriages.

A post of sheer and colossal ignorance. I can name at least two instances where your claim is immediately disproven.

Had Memories Pizza been a catering service and catered weddings... they would have been forced to cater to a gay wedding. Against their religious conscience.

Sweet Cakes by Melissa was shut down because they refused to cater a gay wedding.

The common theme here? "Cater gay marriages, or else."

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are not the victim of others bigotry

Care to prove it?

 

[Mac1958]

Liberals certainly have changed. They've gone from being open-minded, curious, tolerant people to something quite the opposite.

Not sure when that happened, but it really is a shame.

Please define "tolerant"?

It certainly shouldn't mean subservience, being steamrolled and SILENCE

Still waiting for answers to my direct questions posed in Post 1126 and again in Post 1197, I know you've seen them.

Then I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

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