The Liberal War on the Black Family

[Moonglow]

I am sure that many did not wed during those times on the frontier.........

 

[Moonglow]

Why is it that conservatives claim that liberal policies are holding down the afro-Americans yet we have an Afro-American president and the conservatives never blame the Afro-Americans for their decisions in life but claim that that is the problem with liberals/democrats???

 

[Unkotare]

Why is it that conservatives claim that liberal policies are holding down the afro-Americans yet we have an Afro-American president and the conservatives never blame the Afro-Americans for their decisions in life but claim that that is the problem with liberals/democrats???

Because most conservatives are focused on the politics and not the skin color, despite the false and hysterical accusations of so many on the left. democrats have a long and shameful history of looking at things from exactly the other way around.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am sure that many did not wed during those times on the frontier.........

I am sure that you are one of those folks who uses every opportunity to put the Founders in a poor light.

What are folks like you called?



Wait....let me think of who that would be......hmmmmm....

Oh, yeah, the ones whose aims included:

"Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States."

"Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

"Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

"Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce."



Lemme see.....I found those desires here:

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




Democrats?

Liberals?

Communists?

 

[Moonglow]

I am sure that many did not wed during those times on the frontier.........

I am sure that you are one of those folks who uses every opportunity to put the Founders in a poor light.

What are folks like you called?



Wait....let me think of who that would be......hmmmmm....

Oh, yeah, the ones whose aims included:

"Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States."

"Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

"Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

"Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce."



Lemme see.....I found those desires here:

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




Democrats?

Liberals?

Communists?

You my dear deliver the same load you are accusing me of, so all you have stated applies to yourself.....Maybe it will come off with some sort of self evaluation and reprogramming on your part....

Yeah, that damned communist Moses and that Marxist/socialist/democrat God allowed divorce to happen originally.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is it that conservatives claim that liberal policies are holding down the afro-Americans yet we have an Afro-American president and the conservatives never blame the Afro-Americans for their decisions in life but claim that that is the problem with liberals/democrats???

Because Liberals favor policies that encourage the kinds of behaviors that result in poverty.


And then there's this:

“The strongest predictor of whether a person will end up in prison, is that they were raised by a single parent”.
C.C. Harper and S.S. McLanahan, “Father Absence and Youth Incarceration”, Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Assoc., San Francisco, CA, 1998



In 1996, 70% of inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long sentences, were raised by single mothers. Wade Horn, “Why There Is No Substitute For Parents”, IMPRIMIS 26, NO.6, June, 1997



72% of juvenile murderers, and 60% of rapists came from single mother homes.
Chuck Colson, “How Shall We Live?” Tyndale House , 2004, p.323




70% of drop-outs, and 70% of teen suicides come from single mother homes.
Wade Horn, “Why There Is No Substitute For Parents,” IMPRIMIS 26, N0. 6, June 1997



“After controlling for single motherhood, the difference between black and white crime rates disappeared.”
Progressive Policy Institute, 1990, quoted by David Blankenhorn, “Fatherless America: Confronting Our Most Urgent Social Problem,” New York, Harper Perennial, 1996, p.31



50% of single mothers are below the poverty line, their children are 6 times more likely to be in poverty than children with married parents.
Chuck Colson, “How Shall We Live”, Tyndale House.



85% of homeless families are single mother families.
Barry H. Waldman and Stephen P. Perlman, “Homeless Children With Disabilities, “ The Exceptional Parent, June 1, 2008 (American Academy of Developmental Medicine and Dentistry




Democrat/Liberal/Progressive Governor Mario Cuomo of New York said,
"If we take a 16-year-old single mother, get her on welfare, give her food stamps, get her her own apartment and have her back in school taking classes, what's the problem?"
The Coming Cultural Disintegration | The American Spectator

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am sure that many did not wed during those times on the frontier.........

I am sure that you are one of those folks who uses every opportunity to put the Founders in a poor light.

What are folks like you called?



Wait....let me think of who that would be......hmmmmm....

Oh, yeah, the ones whose aims included:

"Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States."

"Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

"Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

"Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce."



Lemme see.....I found those desires here:

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals




Democrats?

Liberals?

Communists?

You my dear deliver the same load you are accusing me of, so all you have stated applies to yourself.....Maybe it will come off with some sort of self evaluation and reprogramming on your part....

Yeah, that damned communist Moses and that Marxist/socialist/democrat God allowed divorce to happen originally.....

What a stupid vapid post.


It's the Liberal equivalent of a white flag.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is it that conservatives claim that liberal policies are holding down the afro-Americans yet we have an Afro-American president and the conservatives never blame the Afro-Americans for their decisions in life but claim that that is the problem with liberals/democrats???

Wait......perhaps Liberals aren't all to blame.....

Perhaps lack of family structure is simply an artifact of slavery????





10. Well, perhaps we are seeing the residue of slavery, and the effects of same on family structure.
After all, didn't slavery destroy family structure?

Wrong.



Research by Herbert Gutman ("The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom, 1750-1925 ") uncovered the fact that during slavery, slaves had marriage ceremonies and traditions, not, in fact, learned from nor related to the white masters. He actually found careful records at several of the plantations, from 1776 to the civil war, documenting the mother and father of each child.

Get it? Even during slavery, children were growing up in two parent homes.

Further, Gutman documents the wave of black marriages after the Civil War, as they feared that 'slave marriages' might not be recognized, and they would be living in sin.






No doubt about it.....it's Liberals who caused the problem.

The spotlight should be on the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives who put the pressure on black culture to change from a more family oriented one, to one of illegitimacy.

And then all good Americans should ask why they did so.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once again, let me explain to whoever moved this from "Politics" to "Race," you made a mistake.
Read the following to see that the thread is a construction which indubitably proves that the creation of an 'underclass' should be laid at the feet of Liberalism.
I would hate to believe that it was done on purpose by a Liberal....




11. Exactly what is the connection between Liberal welfare policy and the burgeoning illegitimacy from the 1960s on?

Want to know?

LBJ accomplished the expansion of the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program (AFDC). Under Franklin Roosevelt, AFDC had been limited to widows, those who had lost their husbands and needed help to support the children.


To progressives, loosening and expanding the eligibility to any woman living alone with children, benefitted huge groups of voters.
No matter that it incentivized out-of-wedlock births, and single motherhood, reinforcing the same negative behaviors that caused poverty in the first place. (in 1960, only 5.3% of children were born out of wedlock…today? Around 40 %).
Thanks to Liberal policies, millions of women could be better off financially by not marrying.
Charles A. Murray, “Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980.”



a. Before 1960, single mothers were not even allowed in New York City public housing. Soon, Liberal politicians joined the "welfare rights movement," and things changed from grandparents telling young mothers to find a husband, she could choose 'door number two,' she could 'marry the state.' And the state came through with a monthly check and a subsidized apartment.





12. Let's see how the Liberal view changed:

a. "The lessons of history … show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt's 1935 State of the Union Address.




b. Then, Governor Mario Cuomo of New York said,

"If we take a 16-year-old single mother,
...get her on welfare,
...give her food stamps,
....get her her own apartment and have her back in school taking classes,
.... what's the problem?"

 

[PoliticalChic]

.

When a person - skin color irrelevant - is told from Day One that others are out to get them, that there is no hope, that their only chance at a decent, legal life is if someone else steps in to help them, then that is how they are going to look at every part of their life.

.

Who tells black Americans there is no hope? Name the Democrats who have ever run on that message.

President Obama ran on a message OF Hope, remember? And got mocked by you morons on the right for doing so.

Now you're doing a 180 and accusing him, and other liberals, of pushing a message of no hope??

lol. More derangement.

One can talk about hope all they want. Providing it is another issue entirely.

Actually, there is proof-aplenty that "hope" is not what the Left gives welfare recipients.
It is something very different that they provide.



13. So, to the Liberal cry, "what's the problem?," the answer is that social chaos is the problem. What are the men doing when they are no longer part of a family, taking responsibility and raising their children?

As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.

Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence.
Peter Ferrara, “America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb,” chapter five.



a. "The lessons of history … show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt's 1935 State of the Union Address.





14. And the result:

a. "Man living on benefits killed wife of 32 years after being overcome by 'hopelessness'
An unemployed man stabbed to death his wife of 32 years because he felt their life on benefits was meaningless and they had nothing to do other than watch television.
He said: "They both felt their lives had no worth. He says that the difference between a bad day and a good day was if there was something on television they were both interested in, usually sport."
Man living on benefits killed wife of 32 years after being overcome by 'hopelessness' - Telegraph




Such is what the Liberal welfare policy causes.....far from amelioration of the poor's condition......

....and even further from "hope."



Only a fool would pretend otherwise.

 

[NoNukes]

Are you playing dumb, or really dumb?


Here ya' go:


"In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient..."
Scribd

I voted for Obama and did not get my free stuff. Guess it is just another conservative myth.

The only myth evident is that you have a brain.

Replying with an insult shows how pathetically unarmed you are. Come back when you have some ammunition.

 

[NoNukes]

Here in Ireland, poor Whites keep having kids they cannot afford to support. It is not a Black issue at all, it is an issue of poor people having kids that they cannot support.

What percentage of the population is black?

I think it's about 1.1 percent.

Fact is you can walk around towns in the southeast and never see a black person.

1. 13%



And as long as there are conservative black folks, it has to be the culture rather than the color.

The point of the OP is that Liberal policy has endorsed and encouraged the kinds of behavior that keeps folks poor.



Take a look at the history of the Irish, not that different from blacks. In fact:

2. The living conditions was readily conducive to violence, alcoholism, and crime. And the native population quickly moved out of neighborhoods en masse as the immigrants moved in. They were characterized as drunkards, brawlers, and incompetents.
a. “The first blacks to move into Harlem were middle-class Negroes who left the black enclave in mid-Manhattan around the turn of the century to get away from the Irish living nearby.”
Thomas Sowell, “Ethnic America,” p.39.



3. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter, "Mugged"

How do you recommend helping poor people, and why are you not doing it?

 

[NoNukes]

What's wrong with Motherhood at 15? If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it's good enough for me....

Astounding what some will post when they have no education.

Hey, you went to an Ivy League school, and look at the shite that you post.

 

[NoNukes]

Why is it that conservatives claim that liberal policies are holding down the afro-Americans yet we have an Afro-American president and the conservatives never blame the Afro-Americans for their decisions in life but claim that that is the problem with liberals/democrats???

Because most conservatives are focused on the politics and not the skin color, despite the false and hysterical accusations of so many on the left. democrats have a long and shameful history of looking at things from exactly the other way around.

Elect a Bkack President and the Conservatives fold up. Yeah, they do not notice skin color.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Liberal War on the Black Family

The ignorant partisan idiocy of the thread title alone renders the premise of the thread false.

Liberals have been at the forefront of fighting for, and protecting, the civil liberties of African-Americans since before Brown – often against the opposition of conservatives.

Today liberals continue the fight to allow all Americans to realize their comprehensive civil liberties, so that all may indeed flourish and prosper, including Black Americans.

 

[Meathead]

Today liberals continue the fight to allow all Americans to realize their comprehensive civil liberties, so that all may indeed flourish and prosper, including Black Americans.

Everybody know liberals are pissing into the wind. LBJ's "Great Society" program was made to do just that. Three generations later, black Americans are more dependant on government and lag even further behind across-the-board from their demographic counterparts in almost all socio-economic measures.

It was not for lack of trying. Simply throwing money and opportunities at some does not work.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Liberal War on the Black Family

The ignorant partisan idiocy of the thread title alone renders the premise of the thread false.

Liberals have been at the forefront of fighting for, and protecting, the civil liberties of African-Americans since before Brown – often against the opposition of conservatives.

Today liberals continue the fight to allow all Americans to realize their comprehensive civil liberties, so that all may indeed flourish and prosper, including Black Americans.

So.....where are your examples of any of fallacy in any of my posts?


Seems to imply that you are as dumb as a stump, and simply mouth Democrat talking points, huh?


Waiting for you to post something of substance is like putting a candle in the window for Jimmy Hoffa.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I voted for Obama and did not get my free stuff. Guess it is just another conservative myth.

The only myth evident is that you have a brain.

Replying with an insult shows how pathetically unarmed you are. Come back when you have some ammunition.

Where the heck do you detect any "insult"????


I was merely documenting your healthcare history:

Remember the first thing you heard the paramedics say after your accident…”there must be another cerebral hemisphere around here somewhere…”

Sorry they couldn’t come up with it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What percentage of the population is black?

I think it's about 1.1 percent.

Fact is you can walk around towns in the southeast and never see a black person.

1. 13%



And as long as there are conservative black folks, it has to be the culture rather than the color.

The point of the OP is that Liberal policy has endorsed and encouraged the kinds of behavior that keeps folks poor.



Take a look at the history of the Irish, not that different from blacks. In fact:

2. The living conditions was readily conducive to violence, alcoholism, and crime. And the native population quickly moved out of neighborhoods en masse as the immigrants moved in. They were characterized as drunkards, brawlers, and incompetents.
a. “The first blacks to move into Harlem were middle-class Negroes who left the black enclave in mid-Manhattan around the turn of the century to get away from the Irish living nearby.”
Thomas Sowell, “Ethnic America,” p.39.



3. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter, "Mugged"

How do you recommend helping poor people, and why are you not doing it?

I'm being immensely helpful!!!


This thread is a case in point....

...haven't you heard "The pen is mightier than the sword."




....although, in your case a sword might be appropriate....

 

[PoliticalChic]

What's wrong with Motherhood at 15? If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it's good enough for me....

Astounding what some will post when they have no education.

Hey, you went to an Ivy League school, and look at the shite that you post.

Bear in mind: I'm a classically trained insulter. Parental warning: explicit content.


Enough chit-chat....

Now to call your bluff:

Did you find anything in my numerous posts on this subject that is incorrect?



Well, then.



That leaves you exactly where you belong: last seat in the dumb row.