The MAJOR difference between Medicare and Private Insurance...

[Hum Dinger]

The primary problem with healthcare is the ridiculously high costs here in the U.S.

It doesn't matter if we have private or government provided insurance....neither works until costs are brought down.

Perhaps we should make both private and government insurance illegal...let the free market determine the prices.

 

[dblack]

Perhaps we should make both private and government insurance illegal...let the free market determine the prices.

That would be better than making it mandatory. But all we really have to do is stop propping it up with state subsidies and mandates. The market would clean up from there.

 

[Rocko]

The primary problem with healthcare is the ridiculously high costs here in the U.S.

It doesn't matter if we have private or government provided insurance....neither works until costs are brought down.

Perhaps we should make both private and government insurance illegal...let the free market determine the prices.

there are price controls on farmers so everyone gets fed.

 

[Seawytch]

Except that isn't what it shows. Why would you comment without visiting the link? Why would you "funny" (dislike) facts?

everyone likes free plans, that is no revelation. Now, ask a Brit or Canadian if they like their government run medical care, you will get quite a different answer.

and for the record, medicare for all will not be free to anyone (except maybe those in this country illegally)

Medicare and Tricare aren’t free. The people who get them all paid for them.

Canadians and Brits love their healthcare. Way more than we like ours.

your own chart disproves your claim that they "love" their plans--------------7% and 16% doesn't equal love.

Really bad attempt to spin that you were so desperately WRONG.

17% and 24% very dissatisfied...compared to 44% for the good old US of A.

I don't know if you can get any more sad and pathetic...but I know you will try really, really hard.

you are free to move to Canada or the UK, no one is stopping you. If you think socialism is so great maybe North Korea should be your choice.

I would also like to see the source data for that so called poll. who was polled, how many, locations, political leanings, age, income, etc.

anyone can take a poll, I just took one and 95% of USMB posters think you are an idiot. My poll is as valid at this one or the ones that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning in 2016.

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/...ls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

 

[Redfish]

The primary problem with healthcare is the ridiculously high costs here in the U.S.

It doesn't matter if we have private or government provided insurance....neither works until costs are brought down.

Perhaps we should make both private and government insurance illegal...let the free market determine the prices.

the way it used to be

 

[Redfish]

everyone likes free plans, that is no revelation. Now, ask a Brit or Canadian if they like their government run medical care, you will get quite a different answer.

and for the record, medicare for all will not be free to anyone (except maybe those in this country illegally)

Medicare and Tricare aren’t free. The people who get them all paid for them.

Canadians and Brits love their healthcare. Way more than we like ours.

your own chart disproves your claim that they "love" their plans--------------7% and 16% doesn't equal love.

Really bad attempt to spin that you were so desperately WRONG.

17% and 24% very dissatisfied...compared to 44% for the good old US of A.

I don't know if you can get any more sad and pathetic...but I know you will try really, really hard.

you are free to move to Canada or the UK, no one is stopping you. If you think socialism is so great maybe North Korea should be your choice.

I would also like to see the source data for that so called poll. who was polled, how many, locations, political leanings, age, income, etc.

anyone can take a poll, I just took one and 95% of USMB posters think you are an idiot. My poll is as valid at this one or the ones that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning in 2016.

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_polls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

those polls said hillary had a 90+ chance of winning, they were wrong, she lost.

But she won LA county by the total PV margin. So in your stupidity you want one county in one state to select our presidents? Geez woman, can you get any more stupid?

 

[Mr Natural]

I remember back in the day, employers who did not offer 100% paid healthcare insurance were not even worth considering working for.

Not that we cared about the insurance (we were young and healthy), it was more about the employer being a cheap shit outfit you wouldn't want to work for.

 

[Redfish]

The primary problem with healthcare is the ridiculously high costs here in the U.S.

It doesn't matter if we have private or government provided insurance....neither works until costs are brought down.

Perhaps we should make both private and government insurance illegal...let the free market determine the prices.

there are price controls on farmers so everyone gets fed.

and the small farms in the USA no longer exist. How is that a good thing?

 

[Redfish]

I remember back in the day, employers who did not offer 100% paid healthcare insurance were not even worth considering working for.

Not that we cared about the insurance (we were young and healthy), it was more about the employer being a cheap shit outfit you wouldn't want to work for.

In those days medical insurance was hospital insurance, you didn't need or use it unless you had a serious accident or illness. Everything else we paid out of pocket. There was no insurance coverage for routine doc visits or prescriptions.

 

[Mr Natural]

In those days medical insurance was hospital insurance, you didn't need or use it unless you had a serious accident or illness. Everything else we paid out of pocket. There was no insurance coverage for routine doc visits or prescriptions.

And what it should be today.

 

[Seawytch]

Medicare and Tricare aren’t free. The people who get them all paid for them.

Canadians and Brits love their healthcare. Way more than we like ours.

your own chart disproves your claim that they "love" their plans--------------7% and 16% doesn't equal love.

Really bad attempt to spin that you were so desperately WRONG.

17% and 24% very dissatisfied...compared to 44% for the good old US of A.

I don't know if you can get any more sad and pathetic...but I know you will try really, really hard.

you are free to move to Canada or the UK, no one is stopping you. If you think socialism is so great maybe North Korea should be your choice.

I would also like to see the source data for that so called poll. who was polled, how many, locations, political leanings, age, income, etc.

anyone can take a poll, I just took one and 95% of USMB posters think you are an idiot. My poll is as valid at this one or the ones that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning in 2016.

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_polls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

those polls said hillary had a 90+ chance of winning, they were wrong, she lost.

But she won LA county by the total PV margin. So in your stupidity you want one county in one state to select our presidents? Geez woman, can you get any more stupid?

You're like a masochist. You keep repeating the same lame talking points of Dementia Don despite being proven to be really stupid statements over and over. But hey, I love proving to you how incredibly uniformed you are so here you go again.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.​

 

[Jarlaxle]

A survey showing that the poor or indigent are thankful for the crumbs the government gives them means NOTHING.

Except that isn't what it shows. Why would you comment without visiting the link? Why would you "funny" (dislike) facts?

everyone likes free plans, that is no revelation. Now, ask a Brit or Canadian if they like their government run medical care, you will get quite a different answer.

and for the record, medicare for all will not be free to anyone (except maybe those in this country illegally)

Medicare and Tricare aren’t free. The people who get them all paid for them.

Canadians and Brits love their healthcare. Way more than we like ours.

I met a man from UK who told me he had a heart bypass operation.....never got a bill

People in the US go bankrupt if they get seriously ill

No one goes bankrupt solely due to medical bills, there may be medical bills in the bankruptcy filing but there are also credit cards, car payments, mortgages, etc. Hospitals will send you a bill, hound you about it for a while, threaten you with alll kinds of things, and then write it off. You are spouting false talking points that have been refuted many times already.

Many in UK and Canada with money have started medical co-ops which they all pay into because their national systems are so slow and incompetent.

Many "medical" bankruptcies are simply because, due to serious illness, the person is not working!

 

[Jarlaxle]

In those days medical insurance was hospital insurance, you didn't need or use it unless you had a serious accident or illness. Everything else we paid out of pocket. There was no insurance coverage for routine doc visits or prescriptions.

And what it should be today.

Catastrophic care insurance, in other words. I had that for a while. My wife had it until Obamacare hit. It was nice.

 

[Redfish]

your own chart disproves your claim that they "love" their plans--------------7% and 16% doesn't equal love.

Really bad attempt to spin that you were so desperately WRONG.

17% and 24% very dissatisfied...compared to 44% for the good old US of A.

I don't know if you can get any more sad and pathetic...but I know you will try really, really hard.

you are free to move to Canada or the UK, no one is stopping you. If you think socialism is so great maybe North Korea should be your choice.

I would also like to see the source data for that so called poll. who was polled, how many, locations, political leanings, age, income, etc.

anyone can take a poll, I just took one and 95% of USMB posters think you are an idiot. My poll is as valid at this one or the ones that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning in 2016.

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_polls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

those polls said hillary had a 90+ chance of winning, they were wrong, she lost.

But she won LA county by the total PV margin. So in your stupidity you want one county in one state to select our presidents? Geez woman, can you get any more stupid?

You're like a masochist. You keep repeating the same lame talking points of Dementia Don despite being proven to be really stupid statements over and over. But hey, I love proving to you how incredibly uniformed you are so here you go again.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.​

without the EC, four areas would pick our presidents-----------LA county, NYC, Houston, and Miami/Dade. the rest of the country would have zero input.

and by the way, Hillary lost the EC. and yes, she won the PV in Cal and NYC. but she still lost and will never sit in the oval office. The election of 2016 saved the USA.

 

[Redfish]

Except that isn't what it shows. Why would you comment without visiting the link? Why would you "funny" (dislike) facts?

everyone likes free plans, that is no revelation. Now, ask a Brit or Canadian if they like their government run medical care, you will get quite a different answer.

and for the record, medicare for all will not be free to anyone (except maybe those in this country illegally)

Medicare and Tricare aren’t free. The people who get them all paid for them.

Canadians and Brits love their healthcare. Way more than we like ours.

I met a man from UK who told me he had a heart bypass operation.....never got a bill

People in the US go bankrupt if they get seriously ill

No one goes bankrupt solely due to medical bills, there may be medical bills in the bankruptcy filing but there are also credit cards, car payments, mortgages, etc. Hospitals will send you a bill, hound you about it for a while, threaten you with alll kinds of things, and then write it off. You are spouting false talking points that have been refuted many times already.

Many in UK and Canada with money have started medical co-ops which they all pay into because their national systems are so slow and incompetent.

Many "medical" bankruptcies are simply because, due to serious illness, the person is not working!

of course, but the majority of the bankruptcy bills are not due to medical costs.

 

[Seawytch]

Really bad attempt to spin that you were so desperately WRONG.

17% and 24% very dissatisfied...compared to 44% for the good old US of A.

I don't know if you can get any more sad and pathetic...but I know you will try really, really hard.

you are free to move to Canada or the UK, no one is stopping you. If you think socialism is so great maybe North Korea should be your choice.

I would also like to see the source data for that so called poll. who was polled, how many, locations, political leanings, age, income, etc.

anyone can take a poll, I just took one and 95% of USMB posters think you are an idiot. My poll is as valid at this one or the ones that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning in 2016.

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_polls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

those polls said hillary had a 90+ chance of winning, they were wrong, she lost.

But she won LA county by the total PV margin. So in your stupidity you want one county in one state to select our presidents? Geez woman, can you get any more stupid?

You're like a masochist. You keep repeating the same lame talking points of Dementia Don despite being proven to be really stupid statements over and over. But hey, I love proving to you how incredibly uniformed you are so here you go again.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.​

without the EC, four areas would pick our presidents-----------LA county, NYC, Houston, and Miami/Dade. the rest of the country would have zero input.

and by the way, Hillary lost the EC. and yes, she won the PV in Cal and NYC. but she still lost and will never sit in the oval office. The election of 2016 saved the USA.

No, without the last vestiges of our slave owning past, we would have an actual small d democracy. One voter, one vote. Every voter's vote having equal weight.

 

[Seawytch]

everyone likes free plans, that is no revelation. Now, ask a Brit or Canadian if they like their government run medical care, you will get quite a different answer.

and for the record, medicare for all will not be free to anyone (except maybe those in this country illegally)

Medicare and Tricare aren’t free. The people who get them all paid for them.

Canadians and Brits love their healthcare. Way more than we like ours.

I met a man from UK who told me he had a heart bypass operation.....never got a bill

People in the US go bankrupt if they get seriously ill

No one goes bankrupt solely due to medical bills, there may be medical bills in the bankruptcy filing but there are also credit cards, car payments, mortgages, etc. Hospitals will send you a bill, hound you about it for a while, threaten you with alll kinds of things, and then write it off. You are spouting false talking points that have been refuted many times already.

Many in UK and Canada with money have started medical co-ops which they all pay into because their national systems are so slow and incompetent.

Many "medical" bankruptcies are simply because, due to serious illness, the person is not working!

of course, but the majority of the bankruptcy bills are not due to medical costs.

Yeah, they really are.

Medical Bankruptcy Is Killing The American Middle Class

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

you are free to move to Canada or the UK, no one is stopping you. If you think socialism is so great maybe North Korea should be your choice.

I would also like to see the source data for that so called poll. who was polled, how many, locations, political leanings, age, income, etc.

anyone can take a poll, I just took one and 95% of USMB posters think you are an idiot. My poll is as valid at this one or the ones that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning in 2016.

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_polls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

those polls said hillary had a 90+ chance of winning, they were wrong, she lost.

But she won LA county by the total PV margin. So in your stupidity you want one county in one state to select our presidents? Geez woman, can you get any more stupid?

You're like a masochist. You keep repeating the same lame talking points of Dementia Don despite being proven to be really stupid statements over and over. But hey, I love proving to you how incredibly uniformed you are so here you go again.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.​

without the EC, four areas would pick our presidents-----------LA county, NYC, Houston, and Miami/Dade. the rest of the country would have zero input.

and by the way, Hillary lost the EC. and yes, she won the PV in Cal and NYC. but she still lost and will never sit in the oval office. The election of 2016 saved the USA.

No, without the last vestiges of our slave owning past, we would have an actual small d democracy. One voter, one vote. Every voter's vote having equal weight.

Did you flunk government before joining the Puddle Pilots?

What does slavery have to do with the electoral college?

 

[Seawytch]

I am also free to make healthcare coverage better and more affordable for my fellow Americans.

I was right, you got more pathetic. Prove the polls wrong. (By the way, the polls weren’t wrong in 2016).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_polls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html

those polls said hillary had a 90+ chance of winning, they were wrong, she lost.

But she won LA county by the total PV margin. So in your stupidity you want one county in one state to select our presidents? Geez woman, can you get any more stupid?

You're like a masochist. You keep repeating the same lame talking points of Dementia Don despite being proven to be really stupid statements over and over. But hey, I love proving to you how incredibly uniformed you are so here you go again.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.​

without the EC, four areas would pick our presidents-----------LA county, NYC, Houston, and Miami/Dade. the rest of the country would have zero input.

and by the way, Hillary lost the EC. and yes, she won the PV in Cal and NYC. but she still lost and will never sit in the oval office. The election of 2016 saved the USA.

No, without the last vestiges of our slave owning past, we would have an actual small d democracy. One voter, one vote. Every voter's vote having equal weight.

Did you flunk government before joining the Puddle Pilots?

What does slavery have to do with the electoral college?

You're not a history teacher, obviously.

https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention

 

[basquebromance]

Medicare part d wouldn’t even exist under Medicare for all. Bernie must not support single payer!!!!!1!