The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

What are your Initial Thoughts on the Guilt or Innocence of George Zimmerman?


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He was overcharged.

But it also seems the standard for self defense in Florida is incredibly low.

One just has to "feel" like one is in danger.

That's pretty dangerous.

Hope the law gets challenged.

What should he have been charged with?

Is there any crime in any state that clearly covers what he did?

It should be a crime to angrily and aggressively follow an innocent minor and then end up killing them. I don't care if the minor chose to attack you.
 
Civil charges are a stretch. Will get a SYG hearing that has a much lower burden of proof and after a not guilty verdict can see him getting this ruling in his favor. If this ruling is in his favor he has immunity from civil charges.

Fed charges are also a stretch. Hate crime laws are almost exclusively linked to government agents. If GZ would have been a cop there could be very good chance of charges. However, as a private citizen he is almost sure not to be charged by the Feds. It probably didn't help their case when the special prosecutor says this was never about race. There isn't any new evidence. It wasn't proven he was a racist in the trial, and the same burden of reasonable doubt would apply to Fed charges.
 
Was OJ guilty? Serious question. I think he was but he walked. There was a lot of hate towards him after. Remember? Why the double standard, AGAIN.

I think Zimmerman is guilty and yes, I hope his life as he knew it is over for killing an unarmed child. Oj...zimmerman....both found not guilty, both guilty in my eyes.

I only hope they both end up the same, side by side.

There was hate toward OJ after he walked? Really? How many death threats did he get after he walked? Did his family and lawyers get threatened?

OJ was a pariah after his acquittal.

That is because most people believed he killed his ex wife. Even if he didn't, it came out during the trial that he was abusive, and everyone who beats up women should be a pariah.
 
Are black men having problems living in the South?
Are they being picked on?....
They could move to NY,Chicago,Detroit,California...
Hell they can move to anywhere in the country that they like.

That's the beauty of America.
You don't like where you live,you can move.
 
He was overcharged.

But it also seems the standard for self defense in Florida is incredibly low.

One just has to "feel" like one is in danger.

That's pretty dangerous.

Hope the law gets challenged.

What should he have been charged with?

Is there any crime in any state that clearly covers what he did?

It should be a crime to angrily and aggressively follow an innocent minor and then end up killing them. I don't care if the minor chose to attack you.

Probably:

Criminally negligent manslaughter[edit]

Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply.

It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.

Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako).
Manslaughter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
False. And ridiculous, even for you.

Zimmerman mentored young black students.
Zimmerman took a young black girl to one of his proms.
Zimmerman has black friends.

On Thursday, the Justice Department released a report showing that George Zimmerman, a Florida neighborhood watch guard who is being charged with second degree murder for shooting 17-year-old Travyon Martin while on duty, is not racist.


The report reveals over 30 interviews showing that the Zimmerman is not racist, an argument held strong by prosecutors in charging him with the killing of Martin, an African-American.


FBI agents asked each of the interviewees whether Zimmerman "displayed any bias, prejudice or irrational attitude against any class of citizen, religious, racial, gender or ethnic groups,". The report showed that none of the 30 plus interviewees answered affirmative to show of any bias.

maybe if Zimmerman wrote a (ghosted) book about his "roots" ,

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he'd get more slack on that whiteness thing?

I heard that the NYT has now labeled GZ as a "White Black/Hispanic".
 
Is it the truth?

Zimmerman instigated the situation.

In the end... Martin feared for his life too and was acting in self defense. Zimmerman acted in self defense.

It was so preventable. Nice to see folks smearing Martin as a "thug". He's dead. Can't defend his reputation.

Was Zimmerman wrong to assume a 17 year old was actually a criminal? Yes.

Did that justify Martin jumping him and beating the crap out of him? No.

You are right, it was preventable. Zimmerman could have stayed in his car, and Martin could have gone to his father's house. Both of them were wrong, and Martin will never learn from his mistake.

You left out what occurred between statement one and statement two.

Zimmerman essentially stalked Martin. A 17 yr old black youth being stalked by an unknown adult white man in a racially uneasy area.

Should he have jumped Zimmerman? No.

Was he afraid for his life? Quite possibly.

He made a bad decision in how to defend himself. Apparently.

Should he be blamed for that? No.

But he is. He is labeled a "thug".

I did not leave out a fucking thing, asswipe. There was 4 minutes between the time Zimmerman lost Martin and the point where his "girlfriend" testified that Martin confronted Zimmerman. Nothing else Zimmerman did matters because he had no way to bring harm to Martin at that point even if he wanted to.
 
Al is back.


A battle was lost, but the war's not over ... Al Sharpton says he WILL NOT REST until justice is served for Trayvon Martin's death -- after yesterday's not guilty verdict for the man who pulled the trigger.

Our photog spotted Rev. Sharpton at LaGuardia Airport Sunday -- and asked if he was disappointed that 6 jurors acquitted Zimmerman of all charges. His answer ... a resounding YES.

However, Al says this is not the end ... "We always had a plan B. We now go to the Justice Department seeking civil rights charges." He adds, "We're not gonna stop until we get justice."

FYI -- this closely mirrors the OJ Simpson trial regarding the death of Nicole Brown Simpson. OJ was acquitted of criminal charges, but then sued in civil court for wrongful death ... and ordered to pay $33.5 million to the families of NBS and Ronald Goldman.

Zimmerman could face a similar future.

Video: http://www.tmz.com/
 
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A lot of people are trying to make the Trevon Martin shooting a story
of a black kid minding his own business being shot in cold blood because he was black.

Such BS....
 
He was overcharged.

But it also seems the standard for self defense in Florida is incredibly low.

One just has to "feel" like one is in danger.

That's pretty dangerous.

Hope the law gets challenged.

Ironically this is the same standard that people were using to defend Trayvon's attack on Z.
 
Is it the truth?

Zimmerman instigated the situation.

In the end... Martin feared for his life too and was acting in self defense. Zimmerman acted in self defense.

It was so preventable. Nice to see folks smearing Martin as a "thug". He's dead. Can't defend his reputation.

Was Zimmerman wrong to assume a 17 year old was actually a criminal? Yes.

Did that justify Martin jumping him and beating the crap out of him? No.

You are right, it was preventable. Zimmerman could have stayed in his car, and Martin could have gone to his father's house. Both of them were wrong, and Martin will never learn from his mistake.
And hopefully Zimmerman will..

One can hope.
 
Which is why they will probably file in a Federal Court.

Florida is fucking nuts.


You are grasping again...

What grounds are their for Federal jurisdiction for a civil trial?

Were Martin or Zimmerman government employees?

Is Twin Lakes community a secret Government installation?

Wait, what?

The fact Florida gives "immunity" to "self defense" cases from Civil Law suits are grounds enough.


Do you have a link to that?

Because I don't think "We don't like the law of the state" is legal grounds.
 
that one can be pursued by an armed private citizen, absent any evidence of wrongdoing, even in the context of racial profiling,

Yup, you can follow people, even if they're black.

And once armed..they can turn around and shoot that person in the face.

Claim it was self defense..and go on Hannity to say it was "God's Will".

:clap:

I see you've totally degenerated into slobbering incoherence.....well, it was bound to happen.....

Oh my.

Another well thought out, astute post by our resident Roman statue.

Good times..good times.
 
that one can be pursued by an armed private citizen, absent any evidence of wrongdoing, even in the context of racial profiling,

Yup, you can follow people, even if they're black.

And once armed..they can turn around and shoot that person in the face.

Claim it was self defense..and go on Hannity to say it was "God's Will".

:clap:

I see you've totally degenerated into slobbering incoherence.....well, it was bound to happen.....

Does he ever leave it? I've never seen anything else from him.
 
He was overcharged.

But it also seems the standard for self defense in Florida is incredibly low.

One just has to "feel" like one is in danger.

That's pretty dangerous.

Hope the law gets challenged.

What should he have been charged with?

Is there any crime in any state that clearly covers what he did?

It should be a crime to angrily and aggressively follow an innocent minor and then end up killing them. I don't care if the minor chose to attack you.

Probably:

Criminally negligent manslaughter[edit]

Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply.

It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.

Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako).
Manslaughter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cool.

Zimmerman was negligent when he angrily and aggressively followed Martin.

When you're pumped with anger and hostility due to past burglars getting away, you are not in the right mind to go following young men you believe are criminals. He should have stood back and just called the cops.

He was negligent. His negligence led to a death. Negligent Manslaughter should have been his charge.
 
Justice was served, a kid lost his life, you know nothing of how the Martins feel.

You are a classless POS.

They are POS for trying to railroad an innocent man in order to gain fame & fortune. They knew the truth, they kicked their own son out of the house. He called himself a gangster & he was not just playing around. He bragged about beating the hell out of snitches like GZ. They are a POS!

It was the US government that brought the trial on. The parents are humans that were hurt and have a pain that will stay with them until the day they die. They loved their child like any parent would.

Two wrongs don't make it right. The Martins tried to railroad GZ for fame & fortune. They knew full well their son was a thug & could not even stand to have him under their roof. The Martins & Crump saw opportunity, organized rallies & pushed the government to make a case of lies & prosecute it after the government had found no reason for prosecution. The feds & FBI also investigated & found nothing. Now the media is saying the Martins will sue.

Tracy Martins ex-girlfriend says she raised TM, but was told to stay out of sight & let Tracy & Sabrina take their place for show. They hate each-other but when the cameras are rolling they put on one hell of a show. This is all about prosecuting for the money, not justice or pain they are selling you on, that is why they were not there for the verdict. Tracy & Sabrina were busy moving foreword with their (FFFF) fraud for fame & fortune. They were busy tweeting & lying the press: "The jury of six White women ultimately deciding that the life of a Black, unarmed teenager means nothing in the United States of America." That is another total lie the low information person won't catch. Juror B29 is a black Hispanic who just moved to Florida four months ago from Chicago. She has eight children and works at a nursing home. Even she saw through the lies.
 
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