SantaFeWay
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- May 19, 2013
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Just finished reading back since I left...27 pages ago...and you all have me cracking up! Such great commentary!
Couple things I learned...DH tells me that "cracker" IS definitely a racist and derogatory term. It comes from the time of slavery and refers to the white slave owners being "whip crackers"; making the slaves labor harder. The word "whip" has since been dropped. He learned this years ago from our very dear friend who happens to be much older and black. So...no matter what the Urban Dict has to say about it (I haven't checked), it has nothing to do with saltines.
Regarding the issue of whether the outcome had to do with a Neighborhood Watch person carrying a gun or not. That is patently absurd. My DH is an avid gun collector and 18/7 gun carrier (he puts his caliber du jour in the safe when he's sleeping). CWP people either carry all the time, or they don't and carry only when they feel they may be in a "situation". DH carries all the time, every day, at work, to date night dinner, even at church. The only time he doesn't carry is if he's going out of state. And we have many friends with CWP and they all holster their weapons every day. And, NO, we do not live in a high crime area.
So...if GZ carried his weapon all the time...which I think he likely did...then there is no reason for him to disarm just because he was going to Target or wherever he was going that fateful night. HE WAS NOT ON NW PATROL! And, even if he was on patrol, he had the right to carry it too. There's no evidence GZ brandished his weapon or did anything threatening that night. Following a person he did not recognize in his neighborhood is NOT a crime. So let's all get away from the premise that GZ was somehow at fault for carrying his lawful weapon.
Back to this trial...so far it has been clearly established by the Ebonics Queen, if only by her, that TM had ample opportunity to go home to where he was staying. But he did not. Hell...TM could have probably reported GZ to the police if he wanted to, even if just to report a suspicious person following him. According to DD, TM was close to his father's fiancee's home and never went in. That was TM's fatal decision. Not GZ's. It seems TM f'd with the wrong dude. This guy didn't have a whip...he had a gun. And he used it not because he was a racist, but because he was attacked by a haughty kid who had a preconceived notion GZ was either a "nigga" or a "creepy ass cracker" and wanted to teach Z a lesson. Maybe to impress his Miami friend Diamond/DD/Rachel. Who knows why. Not relevant. Facts prove TM came back to "speak to"/confront/be aggressive with GZ after he knew GZ was no longer a "threat".
The thought that GZ should have gone unarmed at any time when he has a lawful carry permit irks me to no end. IMO GZ used that gun when he needed to. Personally I'm glad he had the ability to save his own life, if that's what the evidence continues to prove.
Short story: DH was mugged a few years ago in 3:00 PM daylight. It was in an area surrounded by apartments. The mugger hit him in the head with something that knocked him down, and had DH on the sidewalk but the perp fled when he saw my husband draw his weapon. He pulled his weapon and realized that if he fired, it may have missed the mugger and injured someone in the nearby homes. But the mugger didn't know DH wouldn't have fired in that instance. The mugger ran without getting a dime. That taught me that a gun in strong hands is a definite deterrent.
Gone on too long. Just listening and watching to this and nothing I have heard so far has contradicted GZ's claim of self defense. And nothing so far has gone towards proving GZ is guilty of M2. Just sayin'
Couple things I learned...DH tells me that "cracker" IS definitely a racist and derogatory term. It comes from the time of slavery and refers to the white slave owners being "whip crackers"; making the slaves labor harder. The word "whip" has since been dropped. He learned this years ago from our very dear friend who happens to be much older and black. So...no matter what the Urban Dict has to say about it (I haven't checked), it has nothing to do with saltines.
Regarding the issue of whether the outcome had to do with a Neighborhood Watch person carrying a gun or not. That is patently absurd. My DH is an avid gun collector and 18/7 gun carrier (he puts his caliber du jour in the safe when he's sleeping). CWP people either carry all the time, or they don't and carry only when they feel they may be in a "situation". DH carries all the time, every day, at work, to date night dinner, even at church. The only time he doesn't carry is if he's going out of state. And we have many friends with CWP and they all holster their weapons every day. And, NO, we do not live in a high crime area.
So...if GZ carried his weapon all the time...which I think he likely did...then there is no reason for him to disarm just because he was going to Target or wherever he was going that fateful night. HE WAS NOT ON NW PATROL! And, even if he was on patrol, he had the right to carry it too. There's no evidence GZ brandished his weapon or did anything threatening that night. Following a person he did not recognize in his neighborhood is NOT a crime. So let's all get away from the premise that GZ was somehow at fault for carrying his lawful weapon.
Back to this trial...so far it has been clearly established by the Ebonics Queen, if only by her, that TM had ample opportunity to go home to where he was staying. But he did not. Hell...TM could have probably reported GZ to the police if he wanted to, even if just to report a suspicious person following him. According to DD, TM was close to his father's fiancee's home and never went in. That was TM's fatal decision. Not GZ's. It seems TM f'd with the wrong dude. This guy didn't have a whip...he had a gun. And he used it not because he was a racist, but because he was attacked by a haughty kid who had a preconceived notion GZ was either a "nigga" or a "creepy ass cracker" and wanted to teach Z a lesson. Maybe to impress his Miami friend Diamond/DD/Rachel. Who knows why. Not relevant. Facts prove TM came back to "speak to"/confront/be aggressive with GZ after he knew GZ was no longer a "threat".
The thought that GZ should have gone unarmed at any time when he has a lawful carry permit irks me to no end. IMO GZ used that gun when he needed to. Personally I'm glad he had the ability to save his own life, if that's what the evidence continues to prove.
Short story: DH was mugged a few years ago in 3:00 PM daylight. It was in an area surrounded by apartments. The mugger hit him in the head with something that knocked him down, and had DH on the sidewalk but the perp fled when he saw my husband draw his weapon. He pulled his weapon and realized that if he fired, it may have missed the mugger and injured someone in the nearby homes. But the mugger didn't know DH wouldn't have fired in that instance. The mugger ran without getting a dime. That taught me that a gun in strong hands is a definite deterrent.
Gone on too long. Just listening and watching to this and nothing I have heard so far has contradicted GZ's claim of self defense. And nothing so far has gone towards proving GZ is guilty of M2. Just sayin'
