The Perception of Cheating is the Real Danger to Democracy

[Ray From Cleveland]

Election Integrity: 50% Think Cheating Likely in Midterms

Many voters still believe cheating affected the 2020 presidential election, and a majority fear the upcoming midterm elections could be tainted by cheating.

www.rasmussenreports.com

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The National Pulse finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 36% who think it is Very Likely. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t believe it’s likely cheating affected the 2020 outcome, including 30% who say it’s Not At All Likely. These findings are similar to previous surveys in May and March. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty percent (50%) of voters think it is at least somewhat likely there will be widespread cheating that will affect the outcome of this fall’s congressional elections, including 24% who say it’s Very Likely. Forty-one percent (41%) don’t believe cheating is likely to affect the November midterms, including 22% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

Voters remain skeptical of the integrity of vote-by-mail. Fifty-eight percent (58%) think it’s at least somewhat likely that wider use of mail-in voting will lead to more cheating in elections, including 39% who say it’s Very Likely. Thirty-six percent (36%) don’t believe mail-in voting is likely to lead to more cheating, including 16% who say it’s Not At All Likely. In October 2021, 65% said wider use of mail-in voting would lead to more cheating in elections.

It is relatively easy, compared to landing a man on the moon, or getting a vaccine developed and approved in a matter of months, or winning a war against both Germany and Japan's military machines, to ensure election security. The steps demanded by people concerned about cheating are pretty simple: Photo ID to register, photo ID to vote, and no absentee ballots except in limited and tightly controlled situations like military service, would easily address the concerns of voters who now wonder whether their vote even matters any more.

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. Especially an honest Dem who honestly believes that there is no significant cheating by Dems. If a Dem believes that, they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

Suppose there is no widespread cheating. There is no way to prove that, since cheating is by nature furtive, and little to no resources are spent in catching it. But just suppose that the majority of Americans are wrong, and that in the reality that they don't know, there is very little cheating and what little there is on both sides cancel each other out.

It is not impossible that this is the reality. Perceptions can be wrong.

But . . . there is at this moment in time widespread perception of cheating and that is just as dangerous to Democracy, if not more so.

It's not just Trump cultists who are concerned about cheating:

Asked which is more important in elections, 59% say making sure there is no cheating is more important, while 38% say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important. Those findings are almost unchanged from May.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 37% of Democrats and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major party think it’s more important to make sure there is no cheating in elections. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 33% of unaffiliated voters say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important.

If large chunks of the country lose interest in democracy as a way to affect change because they believe in the old meme, "if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it," they are not just going to passively accept their fate of being ruled by corrupt elites. They are going to look for ways outside of democracy to free themselves. That is the danger.

It is easy enough to vote. The above numbers show that more than half the Republicans and Democrats combined think it is more important to make sure there is no cheating than to make voting easier. With that kind of support for eliminating cheating, it should be an easy decision to take on a relatively easy mission.

Two reasons people don't trust our elections: Technology and mail-in voting.

I was watching evil right-wing news tonight and they interviewed a guy in Vegas. He got 14 people to sign their mail-in ballot so it looked nothing like their signature. 6 of those 14 had their ballots cast.

Mail-in opens the door to fraud and technology makes people lose confidence in our election system. As you posted, this has a simple solution: vote in person unless there is no possible way for you to do so, and go back to hand counting all ballots.

 

[White 6]

Sorry bout that,

1. I'm going to bring the minority into the majority.
2. Every election from now on *WILL* be stolen.
3. At this point it really doesn't matter, they steal, SC ok's it.
4. Unless the SC stands up and shoots this shit down, expect more of the same.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I think, states are trying harder to make sure procedures insure there is proper oversight with checks and double checks in place. The call of "they cheated" will be harder and harder to prove, because it will be false when put forth and the checks and witness will prove it and mistakes will be caught and corrected. There is not a state or county out there, that wants to be the butt of the joke for the country and are taking steps to make sure, it isn't them.

That's my opinion and I am not worried.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think, states are trying harder to make sure procedures insure there is proper oversight with checks and double checks in place. The call of "they cheated" will be harder and harder to prove, because it will be false when put forth and the checks and witness will prove it and mistakes will be caught and corrected. There is not a state or county out there, that wants to be the butt of the joke for the country and are taking steps to make sure, it isn't them.

That's my opinion and I am not worried.

That's the last thing they are concerned about. Third world countries have a better election system than Arizona, Nevada and Alaska, and they could care less what anybody says about them. You might even add GA to that list. It's embarrassing and pathetic.

 

[badbob85037]

Election Integrity: 50% Think Cheating Likely in Midterms

Many voters still believe cheating affected the 2020 presidential election, and a majority fear the upcoming midterm elections could be tainted by cheating.

www.rasmussenreports.com

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The National Pulse finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 36% who think it is Very Likely. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t believe it’s likely cheating affected the 2020 outcome, including 30% who say it’s Not At All Likely. These findings are similar to previous surveys in May and March. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty percent (50%) of voters think it is at least somewhat likely there will be widespread cheating that will affect the outcome of this fall’s congressional elections, including 24% who say it’s Very Likely. Forty-one percent (41%) don’t believe cheating is likely to affect the November midterms, including 22% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

Voters remain skeptical of the integrity of vote-by-mail. Fifty-eight percent (58%) think it’s at least somewhat likely that wider use of mail-in voting will lead to more cheating in elections, including 39% who say it’s Very Likely. Thirty-six percent (36%) don’t believe mail-in voting is likely to lead to more cheating, including 16% who say it’s Not At All Likely. In October 2021, 65% said wider use of mail-in voting would lead to more cheating in elections.

It is relatively easy, compared to landing a man on the moon, or getting a vaccine developed and approved in a matter of months, or winning a war against both Germany and Japan's military machines, to ensure election security. The steps demanded by people concerned about cheating are pretty simple: Photo ID to register, photo ID to vote, and no absentee ballots except in limited and tightly controlled situations like military service, would easily address the concerns of voters who now wonder whether their vote even matters any more.

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. Especially an honest Dem who honestly believes that there is no significant cheating by Dems. If a Dem believes that, they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

Suppose there is no widespread cheating. There is no way to prove that, since cheating is by nature furtive, and little to no resources are spent in catching it. But just suppose that the majority of Americans are wrong, and that in the reality that they don't know, there is very little cheating and what little there is on both sides cancel each other out.

It is not impossible that this is the reality. Perceptions can be wrong.

But . . . there is at this moment in time widespread perception of cheating and that is just as dangerous to Democracy, if not more so.

It's not just Trump cultists who are concerned about cheating:

Asked which is more important in elections, 59% say making sure there is no cheating is more important, while 38% say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important. Those findings are almost unchanged from May.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 37% of Democrats and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major party think it’s more important to make sure there is no cheating in elections. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 33% of unaffiliated voters say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important.

If large chunks of the country lose interest in democracy as a way to affect change because they believe in the old meme, "if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it," they are not just going to passively accept their fate of being ruled by corrupt elites. They are going to look for ways outside of democracy to free themselves. That is the danger.

It is easy enough to vote. The above numbers show that more than half the Republicans and Democrats combined think it is more important to make sure there is no cheating than to make voting easier. With that kind of support for eliminating cheating, it should be an easy decision to take on a relatively easy mission.

I have no worry at all since we are not a democracy no matter how much hacks from both sides tell us we are.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Meanwhile back in reality...

The GOP is increasing their numbers in the House.

If the democrats are cheating...you'd think they'd get better results because apparently the democrats are able to do it everywhere, every time and, at the same time...do it without any proof whatsoever.

It makes you wonder how the GOP wins any election.

He is talking about reality, candy corn hole, The democrats have a 180 year plus run on election cheating, it's about time the Republicans have stepped up to the plate

 

[Billy000]

Sorry bout that,

1. Aren't you gearing up for the next steal?
2. Get to it boy!!!!
3. The wicked never rest.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Hey moron the count isn’t even over yet. You pre deciding there is already widespread fraud just makes you look like a retard.

 

[Billy000]

He is talking about reality, candy corn hole, The democrats have a 180 year plus run on election cheating, it's about time the Republicans have stepped up to the plate

I just don’t understand how all you are so fucking stupid.

 

[candycorn]

Your mistake is in thinking (if you really do) that anyone claims that the Dems are able to do it everywhere, every time. If posters on here are saying that, I'm sure you could prove it.+

Here are two that it took me about 12 seconds to find:

Irrelevant - I said that that mail in sends ballots to anyone on voter roles - dead, living, resident, or moved out of state. Millions of invalid ballots sent out, just waiting for democrats to send them in under the names of dead people. No one checks, no chance of this being discovered - pure fraud that democrats engage in every election. They used to at least need an illegal to impersonate the dead voter, now democrats just fill them in by the millions and no one can tell.

Vote by fraud - fraud by mail... This is the scam California pulls to maintain one party rule by the Reich.

Sorry bout that,

1. Pence could of been a hero.
2. But he chose to certify the first stolen election on record.
3. Sure they may have stealing elections for 30 years.
4. Since the first Bush.
5. Thats when the media changed Democrats to Blue color, and Republicans to Red, before that it was reversed.
6. That change is very suspect, seeing *ALL* the media did it at same time.
7. Pense sided with the steal, thats what makes him stand out, anyone with half a brain knows the election was stolen.
8. And right now they are in the process of stealing the 2024 election.
9. If you don't know this you are a moron.
10. The Democrats will steal every election from here on out, Pence assured their perpetual corruption.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

In a two party system, where each one adjusts constantly to maintain their voters, there will be mostly non-competitive races that it would be difficult to cheat enough to make the predicted loser the winner, but a few key competitive races that can throw the balance of power to the party most willing to cheat enough to win those.

And yet somehow despite this cheating in now the "competitive races", Georgia is yet again having a runoff.

Let me guess...that is also planned by the Democrats...cheat just enough to lose the Governor's mansion but also not win the Senate seat outright!!!



Really dude...you have to be brain damaged to think the way you do.

 

[candycorn]

He is talking about reality, candy corn hole, The democrats have a 180 year plus run on election cheating, it's about time the Republicans have stepped up to the plate

So the GOP never won an election before now?

Are you on drugs?

 

[Toro]

Election Integrity: 50% Think Cheating Likely in Midterms

Many voters still believe cheating affected the 2020 presidential election, and a majority fear the upcoming midterm elections could be tainted by cheating.

www.rasmussenreports.com

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The National Pulse finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 36% who think it is Very Likely. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t believe it’s likely cheating affected the 2020 outcome, including 30% who say it’s Not At All Likely. These findings are similar to previous surveys in May and March. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty percent (50%) of voters think it is at least somewhat likely there will be widespread cheating that will affect the outcome of this fall’s congressional elections, including 24% who say it’s Very Likely. Forty-one percent (41%) don’t believe cheating is likely to affect the November midterms, including 22% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

Voters remain skeptical of the integrity of vote-by-mail. Fifty-eight percent (58%) think it’s at least somewhat likely that wider use of mail-in voting will lead to more cheating in elections, including 39% who say it’s Very Likely. Thirty-six percent (36%) don’t believe mail-in voting is likely to lead to more cheating, including 16% who say it’s Not At All Likely. In October 2021, 65% said wider use of mail-in voting would lead to more cheating in elections.

It is relatively easy, compared to landing a man on the moon, or getting a vaccine developed and approved in a matter of months, or winning a war against both Germany and Japan's military machines, to ensure election security. The steps demanded by people concerned about cheating are pretty simple: Photo ID to register, photo ID to vote, and no absentee ballots except in limited and tightly controlled situations like military service, would easily address the concerns of voters who now wonder whether their vote even matters any more.

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. Especially an honest Dem who honestly believes that there is no significant cheating by Dems. If a Dem believes that, they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

Suppose there is no widespread cheating. There is no way to prove that, since cheating is by nature furtive, and little to no resources are spent in catching it. But just suppose that the majority of Americans are wrong, and that in the reality that they don't know, there is very little cheating and what little there is on both sides cancel each other out.

It is not impossible that this is the reality. Perceptions can be wrong.

But . . . there is at this moment in time widespread perception of cheating and that is just as dangerous to Democracy, if not more so.

It's not just Trump cultists who are concerned about cheating:

Asked which is more important in elections, 59% say making sure there is no cheating is more important, while 38% say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important. Those findings are almost unchanged from May.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 37% of Democrats and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major party think it’s more important to make sure there is no cheating in elections. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 33% of unaffiliated voters say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important.

If large chunks of the country lose interest in democracy as a way to affect change because they believe in the old meme, "if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it," they are not just going to passively accept their fate of being ruled by corrupt elites. They are going to look for ways outside of democracy to free themselves. That is the danger.

It is easy enough to vote. The above numbers show that more than half the Republicans and Democrats combined think it is more important to make sure there is no cheating than to make voting easier. With that kind of support for eliminating cheating, it should be an easy decision to take on a relatively easy mission.

That's what happens when one party throws its lot behind a narcissist whose whole brand is "winning" even though he's been bankrupt six times, divorced twice, became rich because of daddy, and lost the election but can't accept defeat.

 

[Toro]

He is talking about reality, candy corn hole, The democrats have a 180 year plus run on election cheating, it's about time the Republicans have stepped up to the plate

Poor snowflake. Do you need a safe space?

LOL

 

[Toro]

Meanwhile back in reality...

The GOP is increasing their numbers in the House.

If the democrats are cheating...you'd think they'd get better results because apparently the democrats are able to do it everywhere, every time and, at the same time...do it without any proof whatsoever.

It makes you wonder how the GOP wins any election.

These snowflakes are overgrown infants. They remind me of the guy who thinks their team only loses because the referee has been bought off.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's what happens when one party throws its lot behind a narcissist whose whole brand is "winning" even though he's been bankrupt six times, divorced twice, became rich because of daddy, and lost the election but can't accept defeat.

You're only going to win so many debates using lies. But we expect that from the left.

 

[Billy000]

You're only going to win so many debates using lies. But we expect that from the left.

Biden’s chances, or any democrat’s chances really, in 2024 are a lot better than they were. Republicans absolutely failed miserably. No amount of spin will change that. It always makes me giddy to see republicans fail lol.

 

[Billy000]

You're only going to win so many debates using lies. But we expect that from the left.

Lol how is anything he said a lie? Face it: Trump’s a useless sack of dog shit. He has no future in politics now.

 

[SweetSue92]

Election Integrity: 50% Think Cheating Likely in Midterms

Many voters still believe cheating affected the 2020 presidential election, and a majority fear the upcoming midterm elections could be tainted by cheating.

www.rasmussenreports.com

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The National Pulse finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 36% who think it is Very Likely. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t believe it’s likely cheating affected the 2020 outcome, including 30% who say it’s Not At All Likely. These findings are similar to previous surveys in May and March. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty percent (50%) of voters think it is at least somewhat likely there will be widespread cheating that will affect the outcome of this fall’s congressional elections, including 24% who say it’s Very Likely. Forty-one percent (41%) don’t believe cheating is likely to affect the November midterms, including 22% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

Voters remain skeptical of the integrity of vote-by-mail. Fifty-eight percent (58%) think it’s at least somewhat likely that wider use of mail-in voting will lead to more cheating in elections, including 39% who say it’s Very Likely. Thirty-six percent (36%) don’t believe mail-in voting is likely to lead to more cheating, including 16% who say it’s Not At All Likely. In October 2021, 65% said wider use of mail-in voting would lead to more cheating in elections.

It is relatively easy, compared to landing a man on the moon, or getting a vaccine developed and approved in a matter of months, or winning a war against both Germany and Japan's military machines, to ensure election security. The steps demanded by people concerned about cheating are pretty simple: Photo ID to register, photo ID to vote, and no absentee ballots except in limited and tightly controlled situations like military service, would easily address the concerns of voters who now wonder whether their vote even matters any more.

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. Especially an honest Dem who honestly believes that there is no significant cheating by Dems. If a Dem believes that, they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

Suppose there is no widespread cheating. There is no way to prove that, since cheating is by nature furtive, and little to no resources are spent in catching it. But just suppose that the majority of Americans are wrong, and that in the reality that they don't know, there is very little cheating and what little there is on both sides cancel each other out.

It is not impossible that this is the reality. Perceptions can be wrong.

But . . . there is at this moment in time widespread perception of cheating and that is just as dangerous to Democracy, if not more so.

It's not just Trump cultists who are concerned about cheating:

Asked which is more important in elections, 59% say making sure there is no cheating is more important, while 38% say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important. Those findings are almost unchanged from May.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 37% of Democrats and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major party think it’s more important to make sure there is no cheating in elections. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 33% of unaffiliated voters say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important.

If large chunks of the country lose interest in democracy as a way to affect change because they believe in the old meme, "if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it," they are not just going to passively accept their fate of being ruled by corrupt elites. They are going to look for ways outside of democracy to free themselves. That is the danger.

It is easy enough to vote. The above numbers show that more than half the Republicans and Democrats combined think it is more important to make sure there is no cheating than to make voting easier. With that kind of support for eliminating cheating, it should be an easy decision to take on a relatively easy mission.

And how "the camera went down in Nevada"...for 9 hours. Sure.

The MSM and Dems won't be able to gaslight this one. People saw what they saw and they understand what they understand.

 

[SweetSue92]

Biden’s chances, or any democrat’s chances really, in 2024 are a lot better than they were. Republicans absolutely failed miserably. No amount of spin will change that. It always makes me giddy to see republicans fail lol.

You won on abortion.

That is a losing proposition. Believe it.

 

[SweetSue92]

Meanwhile back in reality...

The GOP is increasing their numbers in the House.

If the democrats are cheating...you'd think they'd get better results because apparently the democrats are able to do it everywhere, every time and, at the same time...do it without any proof whatsoever.

It makes you wonder how the GOP wins any election.

Can't cheat too obviously, can't take the board.

Just "the cameras went down in Nevada".

Sure.

 

[SweetSue92]

Sore loser crybabies are only going to cry election fraud when they lose.

We all lose.

 

[SweetSue92]

I really don't think over half does think it is rigged. Being concerned about it being rigged is not the same as believing it is rigged. Those that believe it is rigged are in the minority.

I try to pay as little attention to what "Orange Man" brings up, as possible, now that he is out. I do not think Voldemort will ever exercise the power he had. I think this election showed that.

Oh please. Look at what's happening in AZ and NV and tell me that has anything to do with Trump.