The Politics of the "Abortion" Word Games

[Luddly Neddite]

Ben Franklin is dead. As such, he really doesn't have a say.

So is Karl Marx, Stalin and Hitler, yet you still worship at their alters.

oh, dear Lord, not that shit again.

And another worshiper chimes in!

Prove it or

Once again the far left drones ask for proof of who and what they are.

Ok look at any post you make on any thread..

See that was easy!

Next.....

IOW, you just threw out the usual RW name calling that has no basis in fact and now you can't prove it.

Bet there's more name calling to come and you won't be able to prove that either.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

There is no right to an abortion in the Constitution. Calling it "privacy" doesn't change that fact.

There is a right to privacy in the Constitution and you have no right to shove your meddling sanctimonious nose into any woman's uterus without her explicit permission.

Wrong. There's nothing in a woman's uterus that she alone has the power to put there. That means that any baby belongs to more than just the mother. So it isn't so "private" after all.

Well, the baby is created from a man's sperm and a woman's egg, ergo, it "belongs" to both parents. And those two, in their own privacy, have their child.

Thank you. It stands to reason then, that if a child was not created privately by one person, it can't be destroyed by one person either.

That's the way it usually turns out because that male has already turned his back and walked away. If he's found he usually claims that it's not his child and will fight tooth and nail to not have to have anything to do with that child.

I know one man who claimed that his wife had a miscarriage before they broke up and there was no child. Problem was, that was a lie. The woman had to take her 2 year old child with her to court to prove what a liar that man was. He never even once tried to contact that child or be a part of her life in any way. Not even a birthday card. He never sent one penny to help raise his own flesh and blood.

Really? What about the man who doesn't want his child murdered? You on the demonic left have contrived a way to exclude him in the decision to kill a child that he helped create. You people have the blood of the innocent on your hands and your sphere of victims goes way beyond the tiny life you destroyed.

 

[Kosh]

Every abortion is a good abortion because the person that wanted it got it and if they had to do it again they'd do it again. Stop making them feel any worse than they already do. If you want to do something, have every health insurance company cover IUD's so women who don't want to start a family don't have to rely on unreliable condoms and birth control. Lets use what is effective. This will lower the number of abortions dramatically.

Yep.

I realize that children aren't important to the nutters but if you want to save money and heartache, safe, free and readily available bc is the answer.

Sorry you are wrong. They've done the study. Over 10 years of taking birth control and wearing rubbers you have about a 90% chance of getting prego. Using the IUD you're chances are like less than 5%. Lets go with what works. You can always take the IUD out when you are ready to have a baby. And I can't believe the pill is good for women who take it for 10 years. No wonder so many women are having trouble when they are ready later in life. They've been taking an anti baby pill for 10 years. Sorry, educate yourself on IUD's and how much better they are than your way.

Abortions can cause many health problems, but hey lets encourage this as a form of birth control to make the far left happy..

 

[Kosh]

So is Karl Marx, Stalin and Hitler, yet you still worship at their alters.

oh, dear Lord, not that shit again.

And another worshiper chimes in!

Prove it or

Once again the far left drones ask for proof of who and what they are.

Ok look at any post you make on any thread..

See that was easy!

Next.....

IOW, you just threw out the usual RW name calling that has no basis in fact and now you can't prove it.

Bet there's more name calling to come and you won't be able to prove that either.

The irony impaired far left does it again..

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

"Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti- abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals."
-- Ayn Rand; from The Ayn Rand Letter

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Oh I totally agree with every BIT of that... except where it rationalizes that the child in utero is not a child. Pretending otherwise rejects the responsibility intrinsic to being female.

No one should take on the raising of a child lightly, and as a result, no one should engage in the behavior designed for that which should not be taken lightly, lightly. Because as a great thinker one noted, human beings are not stock-farm Animals, we have the means to reason, to know that what should not be taken lightly... because there's a life at risk, which is not yours.

In short: You have no right to screw, when such results in someone besides you, getting screwed.

It's not yet a child, but it IS a life-form.

Child refers to a human life in the earlier stages of development. So it's a child, which be human life; ergo: A human being.

To the far left it is cancer that must be removed at all costs, while protesting the death penalty.

I protest the death penalty too. That's not a Left thing.

 

[sealybobo]

Every abortion is a good abortion because the person that wanted it got it and if they had to do it again they'd do it again. Stop making them feel any worse than they already do. If you want to do something, have every health insurance company cover IUD's so women who don't want to start a family don't have to rely on unreliable condoms and birth control. Lets use what is effective. This will lower the number of abortions dramatically.

And the far left propaganda continues.

Ever noticed that many of the far left drones are for abortion, but against the death penalty..

Ever notice that your religious leaders and masses are great at going to war? Murdering the Indians? Enslaving black people?

Sorry I am not a far left drone like you.

And yes that is a far left trait. How does it feel to support that which you claim to be against?

Until you learn how babies are made, you really don't have a say in this.

And when you do learn that it takes both a man and woman to cause pregnancy, you still don't have a say in it - unless its you who is pregnant.

Once again the far left drones show they are about promoting their religion by derailing threads..

That's just the thing. You right wing anti abortion nuts have taken over and controlled the conversation for far too long. Making people feel guilty about their decision to abort. But when it's your kid who can either go off to college or stay home and raise a child, you sneak her away to the very same abortion clinic you picket. Stop it.

Look how dumb religions are: In Pakistan Birth Control And Religion Clash NPR

We need better birth control policies.

Foreign Policy Without Birth Control Planet Doomed NPR

Then we will have less unwanted pregnancies. Anyone got a problem with lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

There is a right to privacy in the Constitution and you have no right to shove your meddling sanctimonious nose into any woman's uterus without her explicit permission.

Wrong. There's nothing in a woman's uterus that she alone has the power to put there. That means that any baby belongs to more than just the mother. So it isn't so "private" after all.

Well, the baby is created from a man's sperm and a woman's egg, ergo, it "belongs" to both parents. And those two, in their own privacy, have their child.

Thank you. It stands to reason then, that if a child was not created privately by one person, it can't be destroyed by one person either.

No it doesn't.

I was referring to reasonable people. You're clearly excluded.

Reasonable?

Have you seen your screen name?

You're a thumper. A fake christian.

 

[Kosh]

"Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti- abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals."
-- Ayn Rand; from The Ayn Rand Letter

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Oh I totally agree with every BIT of that... except where it rationalizes that the child in utero is not a child. Pretending otherwise rejects the responsibility intrinsic to being female.

No one should take on the raising of a child lightly, and as a result, no one should engage in the behavior designed for that which should not be taken lightly, lightly. Because as a great thinker one noted, human beings are not stock-farm Animals, we have the means to reason, to know that what should not be taken lightly... because there's a life at risk, which is not yours.

In short: You have no right to screw, when such results in someone besides you, getting screwed.

It's not yet a child, but it IS a life-form.

Child refers to a human life in the earlier stages of development. So it's a child, which be human life; ergo: A human being.

To the far left it is cancer that must be removed at all costs, while protesting the death penalty.

I protest the death penalty too. That's not a Left thing.

It is supported by the far left, so yes!

And yes the far left are the biggest hypocrites on the planet when to comes to this and many other issues like "Due Process"..

 

[Kosh]

And the far left propaganda continues.

Ever noticed that many of the far left drones are for abortion, but against the death penalty..

Ever notice that your religious leaders and masses are great at going to war? Murdering the Indians? Enslaving black people?

Sorry I am not a far left drone like you.

And yes that is a far left trait. How does it feel to support that which you claim to be against?

Until you learn how babies are made, you really don't have a say in this.

And when you do learn that it takes both a man and woman to cause pregnancy, you still don't have a say in it - unless its you who is pregnant.

Once again the far left drones show they are about promoting their religion by derailing threads..

That's just the thing. You right wing anti abortion nuts have taken over and controlled the conversation for far too long. Making people feel guilty about their decision to abort. But when it's your kid who can either go off to college or stay home and raise a child, you sneak her away to the very same abortion clinic you picket. Stop it.

Look how dumb religions are: In Pakistan Birth Control And Religion Clash NPR

We need better birth control policies.

Foreign Policy Without Birth Control Planet Doomed NPR

Then we will have less unwanted pregnancies. Anyone got a problem with lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies?

And you prove why the far left religion is the most dangerous on the planet..

 

[Kosh]

Wrong. There's nothing in a woman's uterus that she alone has the power to put there. That means that any baby belongs to more than just the mother. So it isn't so "private" after all.

Well, the baby is created from a man's sperm and a woman's egg, ergo, it "belongs" to both parents. And those two, in their own privacy, have their child.

Thank you. It stands to reason then, that if a child was not created privately by one person, it can't be destroyed by one person either.

No it doesn't.

I was referring to reasonable people. You're clearly excluded.

Reasonable?

Have you seen your screen name?

You're a thumper. A fake christian.

Yet another far left post to derail the thread..

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Yes, agrarian cultures tended toward pagan fundamentals... . If it helps, they also used calendars, followed lunar and solar cycles and prayed for rain.

Where's the problem?

Like that "Gaia worship" that religionists are so upset about?

"I hope this [discovery of oxygen] will give some check to the rage of destroying trees that grow near houses, which has accompanied our late improvements in gardening, from an opinion of their being unwholesome. I am certain, from long observation, that there is nothing unhealthy in the air of woods"
-- Benjamin Franklin; letter to Joseph Priestly (1772)

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So when did Benjamin Franklin propose the EPA?

He travelled through time and met with Nixon in a secret villa...

So in other words you can't prove that Franklin or any of the founders would support a national environmental agency with broad discretionary powers. Got it.

Ben Franklin is dead. As such, he really doesn't have a say.

LOL! Well yes... Franklin is dead. But that make him irrelevant. Ya see Scamp, this here nation is a constitutional republic, thus the government is limited by the construct provided by the constitution. That's the purpose of the Constitution, to limit the power of government.

SO... we have this thing; the Constitution and it was written as a result of many 'influences' and part and parcel of those influences, were the people involved in the processes which lead to the creation of the Constitution.

Franklin, was one of those influences... . Therefore, Franklin is relevant, thus Franklin had a say... and he STILL has a say, where the subject is what Franklin SAID... dumbass.

 

[Derideo_Te]

There is a right to privacy in the Constitution and you have no right to shove your meddling sanctimonious nose into any woman's uterus without her explicit permission.

Wrong. There's nothing in a woman's uterus that she alone has the power to put there. That means that any baby belongs to more than just the mother. So it isn't so "private" after all.

Well, the baby is created from a man's sperm and a woman's egg, ergo, it "belongs" to both parents. And those two, in their own privacy, have their child.

Thank you. It stands to reason then, that if a child was not created privately by one person, it can't be destroyed by one person either.

No it doesn't.

I was referring to reasonable people. You're clearly excluded.

Ignorant superstitious believers in stone age mythology like you and your ilk are in no position to judge what constitutes "reasonable people".

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So now that you think there are enough humans, it's time to start killing them?

Ok.

Psst...nature didn't design us. Nature isn't an entity.

20,000 years ago what was the chance a human baby would survive until age 5?

If you don't think we are a product of nature, take that up with Eyes "BOTH are aware that the behavior in which they are about to engage is that which nature designed for procreation"

What people existed 20,000 years ago?

Us. Homo Sapiens, at least 50,000 years ago:

Human - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Really? What civilizations existed 20,000 years ago? Where's the archeological evidence of humanity?

Humans have been on this earth for millions of years. New estimates as of 2007 from fossil evidence that humans have been on this earth over 4 million years.

You need to actually accept scientific fact though.

First Humans: Time of Origin Pinned Down

People build civilizations that leave archeological evidence. That's what our species does to survive. We are unique in our ability to fashion tools, invent and progress, form languages, and build societies. The archeological evidence does not point to humanity as we know it existing for millions of years. Not even close.

 

[sealybobo]

Every abortion is a good abortion because the person that wanted it got it and if they had to do it again they'd do it again. Stop making them feel any worse than they already do. If you want to do something, have every health insurance company cover IUD's so women who don't want to start a family don't have to rely on unreliable condoms and birth control. Lets use what is effective. This will lower the number of abortions dramatically.

Yep.

I realize that children aren't important to the nutters but if you want to save money and heartache, safe, free and readily available bc is the answer.

Sorry you are wrong. They've done the study. Over 10 years of taking birth control and wearing rubbers you have about a 90% chance of getting prego. Using the IUD you're chances are like less than 5%. Lets go with what works. You can always take the IUD out when you are ready to have a baby. And I can't believe the pill is good for women who take it for 10 years. No wonder so many women are having trouble when they are ready later in life. They've been taking an anti baby pill for 10 years. Sorry, educate yourself on IUD's and how much better they are than your way.

Abortions can cause many health problems, but hey lets encourage this as a form of birth control to make the far left happy..

Lets encourage that we keep abortion legal as a last resort/option for someone who doesn't want a child. No one is using abortion as their way of birth control although I would maybe have an abortion if I had one drunken night where I made a mistake with some women who shouldn't be a mother and if she got prego I'd definately hope she got an abortion rather than ruin my life and raise a child improperly.

You anti abortion people want to force us to have to raise a child for 18 years if we make a mistake? FUCK YOU!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Wrong. There's nothing in a woman's uterus that she alone has the power to put there. That means that any baby belongs to more than just the mother. So it isn't so "private" after all.

Well, the baby is created from a man's sperm and a woman's egg, ergo, it "belongs" to both parents. And those two, in their own privacy, have their child.

Thank you. It stands to reason then, that if a child was not created privately by one person, it can't be destroyed by one person either.

No it doesn't.

I was referring to reasonable people. You're clearly excluded.

Ignorant superstitious believers in stone age mythology like you and your ilk are in no position to judge what constitutes "reasonable people".

Ok.

Bye.

 

[koshergrl]

20,000 years ago what was the chance a human baby would survive until age 5?

If you don't think we are a product of nature, take that up with Eyes "BOTH are aware that the behavior in which they are about to engage is that which nature designed for procreation"

What people existed 20,000 years ago?

Us. Homo Sapiens, at least 50,000 years ago:

Human - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Really? What civilizations existed 20,000 years ago? Where's the archeological evidence of humanity?

Humans have been on this earth for millions of years. New estimates as of 2007 from fossil evidence that humans have been on this earth over 4 million years.

You need to actually accept scientific fact though.

First Humans: Time of Origin Pinned Down

People build civilizations that leave archeological evidence. That's what our species does to survive. We are unique in our ability to fashion tools, invent and progress, form languages, and build societies. The archeological evidence does not point to humanity as we know it existing for millions of years. Not even close.

She doesn't understand the concepts of *facts*, *truth*, *proof*, *theory* or even *science*.

She just likes to use those words because she thinks if she sprinkles them liberally through the nonsense she jabbers, it will lend her idiocy credibility.

But it doesn't.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Really? What about the man who doesn't want his child murdered? You on the demonic left have contrived a way to exclude him in the decision to kill a child that he helped create. You people have the blood of the innocent on your hands and your sphere of victims goes way beyond the tiny life you destroyed.

Thus rants the "spokesman" for superstitious believers in stone age mythology.

 

[koshergrl]

Every abortion is a good abortion because the person that wanted it got it and if they had to do it again they'd do it again. Stop making them feel any worse than they already do. If you want to do something, have every health insurance company cover IUD's so women who don't want to start a family don't have to rely on unreliable condoms and birth control. Lets use what is effective. This will lower the number of abortions dramatically.

Yep.

I realize that children aren't important to the nutters but if you want to save money and heartache, safe, free and readily available bc is the answer.

Sorry you are wrong. They've done the study. Over 10 years of taking birth control and wearing rubbers you have about a 90% chance of getting prego. Using the IUD you're chances are like less than 5%. Lets go with what works. You can always take the IUD out when you are ready to have a baby. And I can't believe the pill is good for women who take it for 10 years. No wonder so many women are having trouble when they are ready later in life. They've been taking an anti baby pill for 10 years. Sorry, educate yourself on IUD's and how much better they are than your way.

Abortions can cause many health problems, but hey lets encourage this as a form of birth control to make the far left happy..

Lets encourage that we keep abortion legal as a last resort/option for someone who doesn't want a child. No one is using abortion as their way of birth control although I would maybe have an abortion if I had one drunken night where I made a mistake with some women who shouldn't be a mother and if she got prego I'd definately hope she got an abortion rather than ruin my life and raise a child improperly.

You anti abortion people want to force us to have to raise a child for 18 years if we make a mistake? FUCK YOU!

What a cretin you are.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Every abortion is a good abortion because the person that wanted it got it and if they had to do it again they'd do it again. Stop making them feel any worse than they already do. If you want to do something, have every health insurance company cover IUD's so women who don't want to start a family don't have to rely on unreliable condoms and birth control. Lets use what is effective. This will lower the number of abortions dramatically.

Yep.

I realize that children aren't important to the nutters but if you want to save money and heartache, safe, free and readily available bc is the answer.

Sorry you are wrong. They've done the study. Over 10 years of taking birth control and wearing rubbers you have about a 90% chance of getting prego. Using the IUD you're chances are like less than 5%. Lets go with what works. You can always take the IUD out when you are ready to have a baby. And I can't believe the pill is good for women who take it for 10 years. No wonder so many women are having trouble when they are ready later in life. They've been taking an anti baby pill for 10 years. Sorry, educate yourself on IUD's and how much better they are than your way.

Abortions can cause many health problems, but hey lets encourage this as a form of birth control to make the far left happy..

Lets encourage that we keep abortion legal as a last resort/option for someone who doesn't want a child. No one is using abortion as their way of birth control although I would maybe have an abortion if I had one drunken night where I made a mistake with some women who shouldn't be a mother and if she got prego I'd definately hope she got an abortion rather than ruin my life and raise a child improperly.

You anti abortion people want to force us to have to raise a child for 18 years if we make a mistake? FUCK YOU!

You want a child to pay for your mistake. That's murder and everyone who commits, abetts, or advocates abortion has blood on their hands. And a just God cannot long delay justice.

 

[Derideo_Te]

20,000 years ago what was the chance a human baby would survive until age 5?

If you don't think we are a product of nature, take that up with Eyes "BOTH are aware that the behavior in which they are about to engage is that which nature designed for procreation"

What people existed 20,000 years ago?

Us. Homo Sapiens, at least 50,000 years ago:

Human - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Really? What civilizations existed 20,000 years ago? Where's the archeological evidence of humanity?

Humans have been on this earth for millions of years. New estimates as of 2007 from fossil evidence that humans have been on this earth over 4 million years.

You need to actually accept scientific fact though.

First Humans: Time of Origin Pinned Down

People build civilizations that leave archeological evidence. That's what our species does to survive. We are unique in our ability to fashion tools, invent and progress, form languages, and build societies. The archeological evidence does not point to humanity as we know it existing for millions of years. Not even close.

Oldest stone tools date from 1.2 million years ago.

Oldest stone tool ever found in Turkey discovered -- ScienceDaily

Oldest stone tool ever found in Turkey discovered
Date:
December 23, 2014

Source:
University of Royal Holloway London

Summary:
Scientists have discovered the oldest recorded stone tool ever to be found in Turkey, revealing that humans passed through the gateway from Asia to Europe much earlier than previously thought, approximately 1.2 million years ago. The chance find of a humanly-worked quartzite flake, in ancient deposits of the river Gediz, in western Turkey, provides a major new insight into when and how early humans dispersed out of Africa and Asia.​

Your ignorance is your problem.