The Prez is WRONG! (from a Trump Loyalist)

This has nothing to do with the emergency defense act. This has to do with the president over riding the governors of individual states that were shut down by the governor of those states. Not the president. And Trump cannot do that.
Trump can invoke National War Time Powers that he has been given the right to do by the governors in order to receive their emergency funding.

Right now Trump has the powers of a dictator, whether he uses them or not.
Firstly, he has a huge carrot and a big stick to 'encourage' governors comply.
It’s not clear that public health fits in this “primary responsibility” category. The Stafford Act has occasionally been used to address local, and very expensive, public health concerns — from New York’s toxic Love Canal in the 1970s to Flint’s drinking water crisis a few years ago. (For those inclined to look back, there was also the Louisiana “chlorine barge incident” in 1962.) But apparently the only time the Stafford Act was used to combat a contagious disease was to help New York and New Jersey kill mosquitoes after West Nile virus outbreaks there in the summer of 2000. That, of course, fell far short of a national invocation — and amounted to a total of about $7 million in federal aid.
Presumably today’s emergency will be rather more expensive, drawing tens of billions of dollars from FEMA’s Disaster Relief Fund. More broadly, an emergency declaration allows the president to, among other things, provide emergency assistance through federal agencies and indeed to
direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities and the resources granted to it under Federal law … in support of State and local emergency assistance efforts to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, and lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe, including precautionary evacuations.
The Stafford Act specifically authorizes housing assistance, which is obviously needed when people are displaced by natural disasters. It lets the feds help state and local governments “in the distribution of medicine, food, and other consumable supplies, and emergency assistance.” Further, it allows the IRS to defer collecting taxes from affected individuals, relief specified in the president’s letter invoking the emergency....
The key actors in the Stafford Act are the states. Even where the law, in Section 502(a)(8), allows for “accelerated Federal assistance and Federal support where necessary to save lives, prevent human suffering, or mitigate severe damage, which may be provided in the absence of a specific [state] request,” it goes on to say the federal government must coordinate with the state as quickly as possible.
Which is one reason we may wind up not with two declarations but 52 (or more) — the Trump administration has also encouraged state governors to request “major disaster” declarations under the Stafford Act. Presumably, with federal funds at the ready, governors will be happy to oblige.

He also has direct authority most expanded but some newly established by Obama.
In the NDAA, only the president had the authority to abrogate legitimate freedoms of U.S. citizens. What is extraordinary in the new Executive Order is that this supreme power is designated through the president to the secretaries that run the Government itself:
• The Secretary of Defense has power over all water resources;
• The Secretary of Commerce has power over all material services and facilities, including construction materials;
• The Secretary of Transportation has power over all forms of civilian transportation;
• The Secretary of Agriculture has power over food resources and facilities, livestock plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment;
• The Secretary of Health and Human Services has power over all health resources;
• The Secretary of Energy has power over all forms of energy.
The Executive Order even stipulates that in the event of conflict between the secretaries in using these powers, the president will determine the resolution through his national security team.
The 2012 NDAA gave the Government the right to abrogate any due process against a U.S. citizen. The new Executive Order gives the government, through the Secretary of Labor, the right to proactively mobilize U.S. citizens for “labor” as the government deems necessary and to coordinate with the Secretary of Defense to maintain data to coordinate the nation’s work needs in relation to national defense.
What is extraordinary about the Executive Order is that, like the NDAA, this can all be done in peacetime without any national emergency to justify it. The language of the Order does not state that all these extraordinary measures will be done in the event of “national security” or a “national emergency.” They can simply be done for “purposes of national defense,” clearly a broader remit that allows the government to do what it wants, when it wants, how it wants, to whomever it wants, all without any judicial restraint or due process. As Orwell famously said in 1984, “War is peace. Peace is war.” This is now the reality on the ground in America.
Finally, the 2012 NDAA was hurried through the House and Senate almost like a covert op with minimal public attention or debate. It was then signed by the president at 9:00 PM on New Year’s Eve while virtually nobody was paying attention to much other than the approaching new year. This new Executive Order was written and signed in complete secret and then quietly released by the White House on its website without comment. All this was done under a president who studied constitutional law at Harvard.



Sec. 502. Consultants. The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation and to employ experts, consultants, or organizations. The authority delegated by this section may not be redelegated.

For Christs Sake, Trump can order the Governor of New Jersey to work for him if he wanted to, lol, and at ZERO compensation.

Let that sink in.

That's a whole bunch of bullhonkey that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

No, Trump cannot force the states to open.

"The Constitution’s grant of limited, enumerated powers to the national government does not include the right to regulate either public health or all business in the land. Congress enjoys the authority to “regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States.”

As the Supreme Court has recognized, safeguarding public health and safety presents the most compelling use of state power. Only the states can impose quarantines, close institutions and businesses, and limit intra-state travel. Democratic governors Gavin Newsom in California, Andrew Cuomo in New York, and J.B. Pritzker Illinois imposed their states’ lockdowns, and only they will decide when the draconian policies will end.

Congress can control commerce that crosses state lines, and even prohibit wholly intrastate activity that affects the national markets. It cannot, however, force individuals and businesses to engage in business in the first place."

 
The sober people of America are weary of the fluctuating policy which has directed the public councils. They have seen with regret and indignation the sudden changes and legislative interferences, in cases affecting personal rights, become jobs in the hands of enterprising speculators, and snares to the more industrious and less informed part of the community. They have seen, too, that but one legislative interference is but the first link of a long chain of repetitions, every subsequent interference being naturally produced by the effects of the previous-

James Madison
 
The President has neither the power to remove constitutional rights (e.g., the right of peaceable assembly) nor to give them back, even when he declares a "National Emergency."

This is one of the many times when Our Beloved President truly should have spoken to AG Barr before tweeting. Trump is occasionally mistaken, but rarely WRONG, as in this case.

How do you know he didn't?
 
Yes he is wrong about this. Only the individual governors can control their own states.

But that being said, that absolves Trump of any wrongdoing should they open up early and we spike again. Out of his hands means OUT OF HIS HANDS and also NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

You have hit on the thing that concerns this shithead the most. Congrats.
 
The true power of the President during a national emergency would make most heads spin. Think about it, if you're capable. Who can launch a mass nuclear weapon response or first strike on his own authority? And does that man first need to consult governors and/or congress? The answer is no. All the fools decrying and belittling our President's claim to such power ought to be real glad he did not declare nationwide martial law. Had that been the case anything would have went and the sole authority to enforce "anything goes" would have rested with the President. Sure, the supreme court and any number of governors could have sued him after the fact, which would have changed nothing. I for one am fucking sick and tired of the endless attempts to undermine our great President from all quarters, including those who supposedly support him the most. Have your fantasies if you must, but realize first that the man, whomever he might be, who occupies the oval office is no less powerful in certain situations than fucking Zeus throwing lightning bolts from Olympus.


Hate to tell you, but the military doesn't fall under state authority, it is a federal thing. The states control their own National Guard, but when it comes to the U.S. Military and sending nuke strikes, that is federal power under the CIC all the way.

Pretty piss poor example to try to use a nuclear strike as a way that the federal government has authority over the states, because the operation of the military has zero to do with what the governors think.
 
The President has neither the power to remove constitutional rights (e.g., the right of peaceable assembly) nor to give them back, even when he declares a "National Emergency."

This is one of the many times when Our Beloved President truly should have spoken to AG Barr before tweeting. Trump is occasionally mistaken, but rarely WRONG, as in this case.
Once again, show 'em Trump's boots and they'll just...

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Earlier today, Our Beloved President tweeted: "For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect....It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons."

I believe that DJT is the best President we have had in a long time, but in this he is wrong. It is entirely up to the Governors; the President can only recommend, make suggestions, remove federal constraints.

Sorry. He's my President but in this case he is wrong.

Not that it means anything. He can't override a Governor's decision anyway. Any attempt to do so would be void.

Parenthetically, my Governor, Thomas Wolf of Pennsylvania, apparently thinks he lives in New Jersey, and has clamped down accordingly. But he's a Democrat, so what should one expect?
If the governors arent gonna listen to reason, we are gonna remove them. People in Michigan are fed up. I doubt she'll be reelected
 
That's a whole bunch of bullhonkey that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
No, Trump cannot force the states to open.
ROFLMAO. What do you think it means when the Patriot Act gives the president the power, through a declaration of Emergency powers to/via his cabinet secretaries:

• The Secretary of Defense has power over all water resources;
• The Secretary of Commerce has power over all material services and facilities, including construction materials;
• The Secretary of Transportation has power over all forms of civilian transportation;
• The Secretary of Agriculture has power over food resources and facilities, livestock plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment;
• The Secretary of Health and Human Services has power over all health resources;
• The Secretary of Energy has power over all forms of energy.


What business is not covered under this, who use no water, no facilities, no energy, no transportation?

Are you too stupid to grasp common English or what, dude?
 
That's a whole bunch of bullhonkey that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
No, Trump cannot force the states to open.
ROFLMAO. What do you think it means when the Patriot Act gives the president the power, through a declaration of Emergency powers to/via his cabinet secretaries:

• The Secretary of Defense has power over all water resources;
• The Secretary of Commerce has power over all material services and facilities, including construction materials;
• The Secretary of Transportation has power over all forms of civilian transportation;
• The Secretary of Agriculture has power over food resources and facilities, livestock plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment;
• The Secretary of Health and Human Services has power over all health resources;
• The Secretary of Energy has power over all forms of energy.


What business is not covered under this, who use no water, no facilities, no energy, no transportation?

Are you too stupid to grasp common English or what, dude?

Constitutional scholars say you're a complete fucking idiot.

Please quote in the constitution where Trump can do this. What gives Trump the right to open a state that a Governor has closed?




 
You're good at laughing, but not real good at rebutting. The fact that you're trying to bring up the patriot act which has NOTHING to do with this, is what is really laughable.

You got anything to rebut a constitutional scholar?

"Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas School of law, wrote on Twitter that the president's assessment of his own authority is off base.

"This tweet is just false. The president has no formal legal authority to categorically override local or state shelter-in-place orders or to reopen schools and small businesses."
 
I find it interesting that a lot of conservatives on here were bitching that Obama was becoming a dictator and doing things that he wasn't authorized to do.

Trump on the other hand, is seeing how far he can push the envelope. If Obama had done even a third of what Trump has done so far, he would have been ran out of town on a rail.

You guys bitched incessantly about how Obama was lining the pockets of his friends with Solyndra (he wasn't by the way), yet you don't say anything when Trump has it written into the bill that specialty farmers (those who grow grapes for wine) will be allowed to get money as well. Trump stands to collect 2.2 million from this bill.
 
Please quote in the constitution where Trump can do this. What gives Trump the right to open a state that a Governor has closed?
The Constitution allows the Congress to pass laws accentuating and enhancing the Presidents power, as much as they want and they have, all in the name of addressing Emergency funding and help to the states.

There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the Presidents leadership in times of emergency as agreed to be the various governors when they ask the Federalis to step in and help them. They implicitly hand emergency authority over to the President when they do so, and who can typically issue to national guard shoot on site orders for looters and other perpetrators of acts of mayhem.

In Recognised emergencies the President can suspend individual liberties until the emergency is over.

The governors have to sign off on it, but they usually do to get the money. ITs not like anyone twisted their arms or sumpin.
 
You're good at laughing, but not real good at rebutting.

You got anything to rebut a constitutional scholar?

"Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas School of law, wrote on Twitter that the president's assessment of his own authority is off base.

"This tweet is just false. The president has no formal legal authority to categorically override local or state shelter-in-place orders or to reopen schools and small businesses."
IT just hilarious that this moron thinks he can just give his opinion and negate case law and EOs from the President that go back decades.

If this embicile really thinks that the President cannot do this he really needs to correct the SCOTUS and the POTUS advisers and cabinet who all are assuring him he does in fact have this power, and guess what?

HE DOES HAVE THAT POWER, dude, HE CAN THROW YOU I N JAIL WITH OUT HABEUS CORPUS! Without a single damned day in court, and this is known fact! roflmao
 
I find it interesting that a lot of conservatives on here were bitching that Obama was becoming a dictator and doing things that he wasn't authorized to do.

Trump on the other hand, is seeing how far he can push the envelope. If Obama had done even a third of what Trump has done so far, he would have been ran out of town on a rail.

You guys bitched incessantly about how Obama was lining the pockets of his friends with Solyndra (he wasn't by the way), yet you don't say anything when Trump has it written into the bill that specialty farmers (those who grow grapes for wine) will be allowed to get money as well. Trump stands to collect 2.2 million from this bill.
I did complain about Obama's EOs, sure and I have complained recently about Trumps gathering authority that most people are unaware of.
 
Please quote in the constitution where Trump can do this. What gives Trump the right to open a state that a Governor has closed?
The Constitution allows the Congress to pass laws accentuating and enhancing the Presidents power, as much as they want and they have, all in the name of addressing Emergency funding and help to the states.

There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the Presidents leadership in times of emergency as agreed to be the various governors when they ask the Federalis to step in and help them. They implicitly hand emergency authority over to the President when they do so, and who can typically issue to national guard shoot on site orders for looters and other perpetrators of acts of mayhem.

In Recognised emergencies the President can suspend individual liberties until the emergency is over.

The governors have to sign off on it, but they usually do to get the money. ITs not like anyone twisted their arms or sumpin.

You need to read the 10th amendment. The constitution doesn't grant Trump all god like powers except if its mentioned. The Constitution states that all rights not granted to the president are granted to the states.


So in other words, THERE IS NO REASON FOR A LIMIT when it doesn't give him the right to do it, that means he can't do it. Read the fucking document and you won't embarrass yourself like this.
 
Please quote in the constitution where Trump can do this. What gives Trump the right to open a state that a Governor has closed?
The Constitution allows the Congress to pass laws accentuating and enhancing the Presidents power, as much as they want and they have, all in the name of addressing Emergency funding and help to the states.

There is nothing in the Constitution that limits the Presidents leadership in times of emergency as agreed to be the various governors when they ask the Federalis to step in and help them. They implicitly hand emergency authority over to the President when they do so, and who can typically issue to national guard shoot on site orders for looters and other perpetrators of acts of mayhem.

In Recognised emergencies the President can suspend individual liberties until the emergency is over.

The governors have to sign off on it, but they usually do to get the money. ITs not like anyone twisted their arms or sumpin.

You need to read the 10th amendment. The constitution doesn't grant Trump all god like powers except if its mentioned. The Constitution states that all rights not granted to the president are granted to the states.

So in other words, THERE IS NO REASON FOR A LIMIT when it doesn't give him the right to do it, that means he can't do it. Read the fucking document and you won't embarrass yourself like this.
Well, you need to run your ass down to the House of Presentin' and let Nancy know all about it then!

roflmao
 
So lets see. I have constitutional scholars on my side. Not to mention direct quotes from the 10th amendment.

You, have the "laugh" button.

Game. Set. Match. Thanks for playing.
 

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