The problem is less about that Trump makes mistakes, and all about how he deals with them

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Note to the "peanut gallery": Trump's remarks about Andrew Jackson are not the point of this post or thread. They are merely an example.

Donald Trump remarked that Andrew Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War." That remark is merely among the most recent Trump has made and that show his penchant not only for revisionist history (alternative facts?) -- modern and long ago -- and/or his abject ignorance of yet another subject, American history.

No small number of people have noted salient facts about Andrew Jackson:
  • He died some 15 years before the Civil War.
  • He was POTUS some 30 years before the Civil War.
  • He owned ~150 slaves, enough that (1) we can safely say he didn't take great exception with the "peculiar institution, and (2) he, in person, may not actually have known or met each of them.
Was Jackson cognizant of the divisive potential slavery held? Of course, he was. Everyone and every political leader dating to the Founders was. Jackson, like plenty of his contemporaries, surely remarked upon how slavery may well be "the undoing of the nation." So contentious was the issue that there'd have been and is nothing particularly prescient in his having done so.

Quite simply, one either was supportive/acquiescent of slavery or one was not, and the extent which one was either drove one's position on its political impact. Similarly, one had a 50/50 shot of being right, no matter one's thoughts about whether slavery would sunder the nation. So it is with all things binary.

Trump's dearth of knowledge about Jackson and his age's U.S. history, though bizarre for a man who has succeeded Jackson, is minor. Far more troubling is "The Donald's" ardently pathological refusal to keep mum about things he doesn't know well. Even worse, however, is the toddler-like obdurate truculence he manifests in avouching the verity of his thus uttered hogwash.

Why the hell Trump doesn't just "own" his mistakes and gaffes is anyone's guess, but regardless of the reason, there is no good one. That Trump simply won't "be a man about it" when he's wrong and noted as such is the problem. It's a big problem because it's a character flaw that has impact on everything he's wrong about.

When he's wrong about an academic fact of history such as his misstatements/misunderstanding about Andrew Jackson, the Jackson presidency, and the corresponding times, well, that's no big deal. Trump makes it a big deal by "doubling down" on his mistake, which were he to not do, the matter of his error would wane as rapidly as it waxed. But what is come when Trump is wrong about matters of current events -- their occurrence, their import, their causes, etc? The answer is quite clear. Trump's intransigence will "take over" and errant and ill fated policy will result. One, we, in the aftermath must then pray that bad policy be the limit of the outcome.

Everyone -- even geniuses, which Trump is not -- is wrong about things. There's nothing particularly troubling about one's being mistaken. It happens. On the other hand, there is something very wrong about being mistaken and not being at least bright enough to know it, most especially so when the nature and extent one's error has been soundly explained and one refuses to simply admit one's mistake so all can move on to other things. Doing that is most necessary when the error itself and it's topic relevance pertains to something that, like so many of Trump's mistakes of which the "Jackson" one is but a recent one, has no real impact on current or future significant decisions. When it Trump going to "grow up" and realize that nobody expects infallibility of him, merely integrity and reason?
 
Trumps never made a mistake in his life, just ask him.

:eusa_whistle:
 
This OP is simply another instance of a determined effort to make a mountain out of (at most) a molehill. Trump was probably thinking of the war of 1812 where Gen. Jackson played a pivotal role. And why would anyone care about his ideas on slavery?
 
Well that would require integrity and humility.
In the main, I agree with you. That said, pure and sound reasoning would also lead one to handle one's flubs by "owing" them and moving on. How so and why? Well, because reason would inform one that doing so is quite simply more efficient as goes achieving one's "larger" goals for it would minimize the extent of distractions one must endure/overcome in the course of doing so.

In other words, merely being focused on one's goals would lead one to decide not to "dick around" trying to prove one is "right" about something that, right or wrong, doesn't draws one no closer to one's main objectives. Unless, of course, among one's main objectives is demonstrating that one broadly knowledgeable. Now, that anyone who actually is broadly knowledgeable would have that as an objective is yet a new mystery to be solved for were an adult to aim for that end, the breadth of their knowledge is necessarily called into question.
 
This OP is simply another instance of a determined effort to make a mountain out of (at most) a molehill. Trump was probably thinking of the war of 1812 where Gen. Jackson played a pivotal role. And why would anyone care about his ideas on slavery?

You can offer whatever exculpatory ideas cross your mind. Doing so makes it clear the first sentence in OP went right over your head.
Trump's remarks about Andrew Jackson are not the point of this post or thread. They are merely an example.
Perhaps you ignored that sentence because you thought were weren't part of the "peanut gallery?" Well, now we, regardless of whether you do, by dint of your "zooming" right in on the literality of what Trump may have been thinking about Jackson and his period of American history, know you are.
 
Well that would require integrity and humility.


Not everyone has quite the humility as Obama, Bill Clinton, and Hillary.
That may be so. Though they haven't often admitted to having been mistaken, they have so done. More importantly, however, they nowhere nearly as often as Trump "pontificate" about things they didn't fully understand. Most importantly, though, is the fact that the thread isn't about any of those people and the risks their presidential intransigence poses to the nation and the world. It's not because none of them is the POTUS.
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Quit falling down the well, Obama really thought there were 57 states probably still does. Even under sniperfire
Dumbass
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Quit falling down the well, Obama really thought there were 57 states probably still does. Even under sniperfire
Dumbass

Here we go .

Obama was given no slack . Doofus Trump
Can do whatever and righties look the other way . He's like a special needs prez .
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Quit falling down the well, Obama really thought there were 57 states probably still does. Even under sniperfire
Dumbass

Here we go .

Obama was given no slack . Doofus Trump
Can do whatever and righties look the other way . He's like a special needs prez .
Trump did not say 57 states even under sniperfire… Quit falling down the well
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour .

That's so similar in stress levels to giving an interview from the comfort of one's own home or home office.

Anyone who's not a member of an airplane crew has had meetings/events in three cities in one day, will attest to how discombobulating doing so can be. Doing it multiple days in succession does not improve things.
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Quit falling down the well, Obama really thought there were 57 states probably still does. Even under sniperfire
Dumbass

Here we go .

Obama was given no slack . Doofus Trump
Can do whatever and righties look the other way . He's like a special needs prez .
Trump did not say 57 states even under sniperfire… Quit falling down the well

Thanks for proving my point . You hyper crtizize anything obama or Hillary said but the Don gets a pass .
 
Note to the "peanut gallery": Trump's remarks about Andrew Jackson are not the point of this post or thread. They are merely an example.

Donald Trump remarked that Andrew Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War." That remark is merely among the most recent Trump has made and that show his penchant not only for revisionist history (alternative facts?) -- modern and long ago -- and/or his abject ignorance of yet another subject, American history.

No small number of people have noted salient facts about Andrew Jackson:
  • He died some 15 years before the Civil War.
  • He was POTUS some 30 years before the Civil War.
  • He owned ~150 slaves, enough that (1) we can safely say he didn't take great exception with the "peculiar institution, and (2) he, in person, may not actually have known or met each of them.
Was Jackson cognizant of the divisive potential slavery held? Of course, he was. Everyone and every political leader dating to the Founders was. Jackson, like plenty of his contemporaries, surely remarked upon how slavery may well be "the undoing of the nation." So contentious was the issue that there'd have been and is nothing particularly prescient in his having done so.

Quite simply, one either was supportive/acquiescent of slavery or one was not, and the extent which one was either drove one's position on its political impact. Similarly, one had a 50/50 shot of being right, no matter one's thoughts about whether slavery would sunder the nation. So it is with all things binary.

Trump's dearth of knowledge about Jackson and his age's U.S. history, though bizarre for a man who has succeeded Jackson, is minor. Far more troubling is "The Donald's" ardently pathological refusal to keep mum about things he doesn't know well. Even worse, however, is the toddler-like obdurate truculence he manifests in avouching the verity of his thus uttered hogwash.

Why the hell Trump doesn't just "own" his mistakes and gaffes is anyone's guess, but regardless of the reason, there is no good one. That Trump simply won't "be a man about it" when he's wrong and noted as such is the problem. It's a big problem because it's a character flaw that has impact on everything he's wrong about.

When he's wrong about an academic fact of history such as his misstatements/misunderstanding about Andrew Jackson, the Jackson presidency, and the corresponding times, well, that's no big deal. Trump makes it a big deal by "doubling down" on his mistake, which were he to not do, the matter of his error would wane as rapidly as it waxed. But what is come when Trump is wrong about matters of current events -- their occurrence, their import, their causes, etc? The answer is quite clear. Trump's intransigence will "take over" and errant and ill fated policy will result. One, we, in the aftermath must then pray that bad policy be the limit of the outcome.

Everyone -- even geniuses, which Trump is not -- is wrong about things. There's nothing particularly troubling about one's being mistaken. It happens. On the other hand, there is something very wrong about being mistaken and not being at least bright enough to know it, most especially so when the nature and extent one's error has been soundly explained and one refuses to simply admit one's mistake so all can move on to other things. Doing that is most necessary when the error itself and it's topic relevance pertains to something that, like so many of Trump's mistakes of which the "Jackson" one is but a recent one, has no real impact on current or future significant decisions. When it Trump going to "grow up" and realize that nobody expects infallibility of him, merely integrity and reason?
A typical Democrat response, you address everything but the issue, was Trump right that if Jackson have lived a little later, would he have been able to fashion a deal that would have avoided the Civil War? Jackson, like Lincoln, was a patriot, and Lincoln's goal was not to abolish slavery but to keep the Union intact, and he failed at that and because of that failure, we had the Civil War. Certainly Jackson couldn't have done worse than Lincoln in keeping the Union intact, and there may be reasons to think if he had been president at the time he could have found a compromise to peacefully resolve the slavery issue.

After all, as a slave owner, himself, he would have had more credibility with the other slave owners, and being a smart man he would have understood from his own experience that with the plantation owners being heavily in debt to northern banks and having to move ever westward after exhausting the land from too much cotton production, slavery would not have been economically sustainable forever, so Jackson might have had more success than Lincoln in persuading the other slave owners to institutional the transition to a time when slavery would not longer be profitable.
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Quit falling down the well, Obama really thought there were 57 states probably still does. Even under sniperfire
Dumbass

Here we go .

Obama was given no slack . Doofus Trump
Can do whatever and righties look the other way . He's like a special needs prez .
Trump did not say 57 states even under sniperfire… Quit falling down the well

Thanks for proving my point . You hyper crtizize anything obama or Hillary said but the Don gets a pass .

You have a point? Maybe President Trump gets a pass because obama & Ms Clinton seemed to delight in lies while I don't know that President Trump has told any.
 
This OP is simply another instance of a determined effort to make a mountain out of (at most) a molehill. Trump was probably thinking of the war of 1812 where Gen. Jackson played a pivotal role. And why would anyone care about his ideas on slavery?

You can offer whatever exculpatory ideas cross your mind. Doing so makes it clear the first sentence in OP went right over your head.
Trump's remarks about Andrew Jackson are not the point of this post or thread. They are merely an example.
Perhaps you ignored that sentence because you thought were weren't part of the "peanut gallery?" Well, now we, regardless of whether you do, by dint of your "zooming" right in on the literality of what Trump may have been thinking about Jackson and his period of American history, know you are.

You are your own "peanut gallery".
Stating what you hope is the point of your OP does not make that point. Your "examples" provide little if any support for your OP through being either irrelevant or trivial. I stand by my earlier comment.
 
Note to the "peanut gallery": Trump's remarks about Andrew Jackson are not the point of this post or thread. They are merely an example.

Donald Trump remarked that Andrew Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War." That remark is merely among the most recent Trump has made and that show his penchant not only for revisionist history (alternative facts?) -- modern and long ago -- and/or his abject ignorance of yet another subject, American history.

No small number of people have noted salient facts about Andrew Jackson:
  • He died some 15 years before the Civil War.
  • He was POTUS some 30 years before the Civil War.
  • He owned ~150 slaves, enough that (1) we can safely say he didn't take great exception with the "peculiar institution, and (2) he, in person, may not actually have known or met each of them.
Was Jackson cognizant of the divisive potential slavery held? Of course, he was. Everyone and every political leader dating to the Founders was. Jackson, like plenty of his contemporaries, surely remarked upon how slavery may well be "the undoing of the nation." So contentious was the issue that there'd have been and is nothing particularly prescient in his having done so.

Quite simply, one either was supportive/acquiescent of slavery or one was not, and the extent which one was either drove one's position on its political impact. Similarly, one had a 50/50 shot of being right, no matter one's thoughts about whether slavery would sunder the nation. So it is with all things binary.

Trump's dearth of knowledge about Jackson and his age's U.S. history, though bizarre for a man who has succeeded Jackson, is minor. Far more troubling is "The Donald's" ardently pathological refusal to keep mum about things he doesn't know well. Even worse, however, is the toddler-like obdurate truculence he manifests in avouching the verity of his thus uttered hogwash.

Why the hell Trump doesn't just "own" his mistakes and gaffes is anyone's guess, but regardless of the reason, there is no good one. That Trump simply won't "be a man about it" when he's wrong and noted as such is the problem. It's a big problem because it's a character flaw that has impact on everything he's wrong about.

When he's wrong about an academic fact of history such as his misstatements/misunderstanding about Andrew Jackson, the Jackson presidency, and the corresponding times, well, that's no big deal. Trump makes it a big deal by "doubling down" on his mistake, which were he to not do, the matter of his error would wane as rapidly as it waxed. But what is come when Trump is wrong about matters of current events -- their occurrence, their import, their causes, etc? The answer is quite clear. Trump's intransigence will "take over" and errant and ill fated policy will result. One, we, in the aftermath must then pray that bad policy be the limit of the outcome.

Everyone -- even geniuses, which Trump is not -- is wrong about things. There's nothing particularly troubling about one's being mistaken. It happens. On the other hand, there is something very wrong about being mistaken and not being at least bright enough to know it, most especially so when the nature and extent one's error has been soundly explained and one refuses to simply admit one's mistake so all can move on to other things. Doing that is most necessary when the error itself and it's topic relevance pertains to something that, like so many of Trump's mistakes of which the "Jackson" one is but a recent one, has no real impact on current or future significant decisions. When it Trump going to "grow up" and realize that nobody expects infallibility of him, merely integrity and reason?

The point is leftwing snowflake hysteria over nothing. You worthless douche bags mistake your opinions for facts.
 
Obama said "57 states " once while on an exhausting campaign tour . Conservatives never let him forget it .

So fuck Trump and his stupid ass comments ! Tables have turned .
Quit falling down the well, Obama really thought there were 57 states probably still does. Even under sniperfire
Dumbass

Here we go .

Obama was given no slack . Doofus Trump
Can do whatever and righties look the other way . He's like a special needs prez .
Trump did not say 57 states even under sniperfire… Quit falling down the well

Thanks for proving my point . You hyper crtizize anything obama or Hillary said but the Don gets a pass .

You have a point? Maybe President Trump gets a pass because obama & Ms Clinton seemed to delight in lies while I don't know that President Trump has told any.
Now, that is funny no matter who you are.
 

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