The Real Crime: Honesty

[TemplarKormac]

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1. I am using political vernacular that your biased political mind can wrap itself around.

2. So? That doesn't change the fact that there are blacks on welfare. Stop deflecting.

3. I did not encounter any racism at any of the places I worked until brunt of the recession struck. This race card thing is a way for black people to instill fear in employers. Do I deny it? No. Does it exist? Yes, but not to the extent liberals claim.

4. Ha, I doubt you were ever right-wing at any point in your life. Such ideals can only be instilled by years and years being a Liberal.

5. Jake hasn't been on much since I whipped his backside. He isn't laughing, hes regretting ever crossing me in a debate. He has been avoiding me pretty much at all costs since then.

6. So just by saying those terms "twat" and "spread your legs" I am automatically pinned as a misogynist? Is it not stereotypical for you to continue labeling me as a "nutter" a "religious whackjob" or a "redneck"?

I had you pinned the moment we crossed paths. I've only lived 25 years, but I have been around the political block a time or two.

1. No, you are bending terms to fit your argument, instead of working your argument aroun the facts.

2. There are AMERICANS on welfare and that's the problem. Because we consider the rich having polo ponies a higher priority than people having jobs.

3. Actually, it really does. They did a study recently where they wrote up resumes with similar qualifiations, half had "white" names, half had "black" names. Guess which ones got the calls for interviews?

4. Believe what you want, but the turning point for me was when my boss announced he was going to totally disrespect me and the work I had done for his company because, "He didn't have to deal with a union". That for me was the game changer, when I relized the GOP was full of shit on abortion and such.

5. Jake frequently leaves for long stretches, don't have such an inflated opinion of yourself.

6. Guy... whn I call someone a bad name, I mean it. I really do hate religion for good reasons... It's fuckin' evil. When you say bad stuff about women having sex, well, it just kind of outs you as a misogynist. Kind of like your "welfare" comments out you as a racist as well.

1. No, I'm not bending terms to fit yours. You mad?

2. Then why were you playing the race card just earlier? Oh "there are more whites than blacks on welfare!" Yep. You may step down from your pedestal now.

3. If you pull up that study for me, I'll be glad to change my opinions to match.. but until then, you're full of shit.

4. "The world hates me, so I am going to hate it back." That's basically what I'm hearing from you.

5. Oh? That's news to me. Thanks for telling me that, how convenient for him to just turn this off when he fails so hard.

6. I have been religious all of my adult life, I have done none of the things you stereotype me for. I actually practice tolerance, unlike you. I also tolerate people like you (to a limited extent). As for misogyny, women have sex, it's not misogynistic, its a fact of life. You have a twisted definition of what a "misogynist" is. What was racist about my welfare comments? Once again I remind you of yours "there are more whites on welfare than blacks" while true, you implied race. And if you want to know where I got that from, ask Bill Cosby. Moreover, hold a seance with Frederick Douglass.

 

[candycorn]

Why so fearful of addressing the subject?

3 times a week? Why so obsessed with only this subject?

You are right! I love to post about truth and honesty!

I can see you'd like to address the topic.....c'mon, little fella....put on your big boy pants!

332-206...as honest as it gets.

 

[TemplarKormac]

3 times a week? Why so obsessed with only this subject?

You are right! I love to post about truth and honesty!

I can see you'd like to address the topic.....c'mon, little fella....put on your big boy pants!

332-206...as honest as it gets.

November 2010, as honest as it will ever be.

 

[Pheonixops]

I'm frankly tired of your bullshit, Joe.

If left to Democrats, yes Jim Crow would have been in existence until the late 70's, which would have thrown back race equality for decades.

Not really. It was a Democratic Supreme Court that found in favor of Brown and a lot of the other landmark rulings that ended Jim Crow.



Yawn- guy, if blacks are still dependent on government, it's because white people discriminate against them. It's why Resumes that say "Mary" get more call backs than ones that say "Tonisha" on them. And most folks on Welfare are White, but don't let that stop you from making racist generalizations




Guy, I was a Republican for years before I realized I was voting against my own economic interests. In all those years, never saw a black person, not once. Puh-lease.

Now, I'll agree, AT ONE TIME, the GOP was on the right side of these issues. Ike stood up for civil rights and he got 40% of the black vote. Today, the GOP has so polluted its reputation that Romney only got 6%, and that was because most folks don't realize how racist Mormonism is.

And since when have we begrudged black people the right to vote? Democrats hold that honor. It's "vote Democrat or else." I won't bother with the rest of your statement, which is pure unadulterated liberal garbage. You should talk to Jake about what happened when he tried to level such accusations. What do you suggest white people do? Be ashamed of the color of their skin? Not only have you done it to black people, you are now doing the same thing to the pale skinned man. The real racist is spelled in the modern day liberal.

Wow, man, if you went up against Jake, he probably handed you your ass.

But just like you barely were able to hide your misogyny on the abortion threads, you really aren't doing a very good job hiding your racism here...

1. Oh, yeah, it was, it had to overturn laws instated by LIBERALS in the 1870's.

2. Black people are still dependent on government because...white people still discriminate against them? Is that the best you could do? The seeds of their dependency were planted by your own party.

3. Martin Luther King was shockingly a Republican. Or did you forget that little tidbit? Jake has not responded to me after that confrontation. So he is probably still licking his wounds. Like you are.

4. Lets not divert from the subject matter here. Misogyny is when you suggest that people like Kermit Gosnell not be vilified for victimizing poor innocent women and children. I have many black friends, I have two friends who are gay, I have a quite a few women as friends. My grandmother is ironically a woman, my mother in law is woman. I was raised by a woman, a single mother. So don't lecture me on racism or misogyny. You have a hard time hiding your hatred of religious people, so if anything you have a lot more to work on than I.

Is it your lot in life to make prevaricated assumptions about people you dislike? Grow the fuck up Joe.

Yeah, below sure looks like the republican platform.

Myth #1: King wanted only equal rights, not special privileges and would have opposed affirmative action, quotas, reparations, and the other policies pursued by today’s civil rights leadership.

This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation’s Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King’s Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.

King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.

"Despite his constant invocations of the Declaration of Independence, King did not have much pride in America’s founding. He believed "our nation was born in genocide," and claimed that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were meaningless for blacks because they were written by slave owners."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."

Yeah, the above sure looks like the republican platform. Thanks for the laugh!

"

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not really. It was a Democratic Supreme Court that found in favor of Brown and a lot of the other landmark rulings that ended Jim Crow.



Yawn- guy, if blacks are still dependent on government, it's because white people discriminate against them. It's why Resumes that say "Mary" get more call backs than ones that say "Tonisha" on them. And most folks on Welfare are White, but don't let that stop you from making racist generalizations




Guy, I was a Republican for years before I realized I was voting against my own economic interests. In all those years, never saw a black person, not once. Puh-lease.

Now, I'll agree, AT ONE TIME, the GOP was on the right side of these issues. Ike stood up for civil rights and he got 40% of the black vote. Today, the GOP has so polluted its reputation that Romney only got 6%, and that was because most folks don't realize how racist Mormonism is.




Wow, man, if you went up against Jake, he probably handed you your ass.

But just like you barely were able to hide your misogyny on the abortion threads, you really aren't doing a very good job hiding your racism here...

1. Oh, yeah, it was, it had to overturn laws instated by LIBERALS in the 1870's.

2. Black people are still dependent on government because...white people still discriminate against them? Is that the best you could do? The seeds of their dependency were planted by your own party.

3. Martin Luther King was shockingly a Republican. Or did you forget that little tidbit? Jake has not responded to me after that confrontation. So he is probably still licking his wounds. Like you are.

4. Lets not divert from the subject matter here. Misogyny is when you suggest that people like Kermit Gosnell not be vilified for victimizing poor innocent women and children. I have many black friends, I have two friends who are gay, I have a quite a few women as friends. My grandmother is ironically a woman, my mother in law is woman. I was raised by a woman, a single mother. So don't lecture me on racism or misogyny. You have a hard time hiding your hatred of religious people, so if anything you have a lot more to work on than I.

Is it your lot in life to make prevaricated assumptions about people you dislike? Grow the fuck up Joe.

Yeah, below sure looks like the republican platform.

Myth #1: King wanted only equal rights, not special privileges and would have opposed affirmative action, quotas, reparations, and the other policies pursued by today’s civil rights leadership.

This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation’s Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King’s Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.

King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.

"Despite his constant invocations of the Declaration of Independence, King did not have much pride in America’s founding. He believed "our nation was born in genocide," and claimed that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were meaningless for blacks because they were written by slave owners."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."

Yeah, the above sure looks like the republican platform. Thanks for the laugh!

"

Read up, hotshot.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Was A Republican

Frequently Asked Questions | National Black Republican Association

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought to stop Democrats from denying civil rights to blacks. It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican as has been affirmed by his niece, Dr. Alveda C. King.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not have joined the Democratic Party, the party of the Ku Klux Klan and segregation.

Dr. King fought against Democrat Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned skin-burning fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.

Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox famously brandished ax handles to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace blocked the entrance of two black students at the University of Alabama in 1963 and thundered, "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”. All of these racist Democrats remained Democrats until the day they died. In fact, racist Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.


Democrats Smeared Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

During the 1960’s, Democrats were relentless in their efforts to smear Dr. King and railroad his non-violent civil rights advocacy. The disparagement of Dr. King by Democrats led to his being physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death. In March of 1968, while referring to the fact that Dr. King left Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, former Klansman Democrat Senator Robert Byrd called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited, which motivated Dr. King to return to Memphis a few weeks later where he was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

An egregious act against Dr. King occurred on October 10, 1963. With the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy – President Kennedy's brother – authorized the wiretapping of Dr. King's telephone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on the telephones in Dr. King's home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King's hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

The trigger for this unsavory wiretapping was apparently Dr. Kings' criticism of the Kennedy Administration, according to the author David Garrow in his book, “Bearing the Cross”. The justification given by the Kennedy Administration publicly was that two of Dr. King's associates, including David Levinson, had ended their association with the Communist Party in order to work undercover and influence Dr. King. However, after years of continuous and extensive wiretapping, the FBI found no direct links of Dr. King to the Communist Party.

The unrelenting efforts by Democrats to tarnish Dr. King's reputation continued for years after his death. To his credit, Republican President Ronald Reagan made Dr. King’s birthday a federal holiday, ignoring how the Democrats had smeared Dr. King.

Today, while professing to revere Dr. King, Democrats are still trying to sully his image by making remarks that diminish his civil rights achievements and continuing to claim that Dr. King embraced Communism – a system that is secularist and socialist.

In reality, Dr. King was a Christian who held deeply religious beliefs and was guided by his faith and his Republican Party principles in his struggle to gain equality for blacks. He did not embrace the type of socialist, secularist agenda that is promoted by the Democratic Party today, which includes fostering dependency on welfare that breaks up families, supporting same-sex marriage and banning God from the public square.

An understanding of who the real Dr. King was can be gained from a glimpse of Dr. King as a young man who participated in an oratorical contest when he was 14 years old. The title of his speech was "The Negro and the Constitution" which had the following sentences: "We cannot have an enlightened democracy with one great group living in ignorance…We cannot be truly Christian people so long as we flout the central teachings of Jesus: brotherly love and the Golden Rule…."

If Dr. King were still alive, he would be slandered by Democrats in the same way that they smeared him in the 1960's and demean all black Republicans today.

 

[Pheonixops]

And white conservatives fought the black man's right to do those things every step of the way and used the government in every twisted manner they could invent to do so.

Yep!!!

Did you want to note that for the entire hundred years, those "white conservatives fought the black man's rights" ... were actually Liberal Democrats?




1. So, the struggle ended: Thurgood Marshall had won his cases in the Supreme Court, Eisenhower used the military to enforce the victories, Nixon desegregated the schools and building trades, and Democrat “Bull” Connor was voted out of office by the people of Alabama. And, finally, even a majority of Democrats supported civil rights. Democrat segregationists were defeated.

2. This was the precise moment when liberals decided it was time to come out strongly against race discrimination!

3. Not having participated in the winning side of the battle, Democrats spent the next few decades pretending, and engaging in a ritualistic reenactment of the struggle. They wrote a modern day passion play, designating “racists,” “victims of racist violence,” and wrote themselves the best part: “saviors of black America!”

4. “In addition to lying in the history books, liberals lied on their personal resumes. Suddenly, every liberal remembered being beaten up by a 300-pound Southern sheriff during the civil rights movement. Among the ones who have been caught falsely gassing about their civil rights heroism are Bob Beckel, Carl Bernstein and Joseph Ellis. (Some days, it seems as if there are more liberals pretending to have been Freedom Riders than pretending to be Cherokees!)… You will never see anything so brave as a liberal fighting nonexistent enemies.” Liberals Can't Break 200-Year Racism Habit - Ann Coulter - Page full

5. This generalized into a special set of rules for black Americans: instead of punishing violence, criminality and sexual promiscuity, as society has with other groups, society protected said behavior as priceless cultural artifacts, producing a black underclass. “THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North's big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.” National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION - TIME

6. Then, liberals set out to destroy the black family. “…national data covering decennial years from 1890 to 1920 show that blacks out-married whites despite a consistent shortage of black males due to their higher rates of mortality.” http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf

a. This lasted through 1950- until liberals decided that it would be a great idea to subsidize illegitimacy.

b. “…Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), didn’t begin under Johnson. It started under President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s "New Deal" in the 1930s, which authorized the program to make payment to widows with children. Since then, AFDC has been expanded to cover all unmarried parents with children.” Bestselling author Michael Fumento investigates: "Is the Great Society to Blame? If Not, Why Have Problems Worsened Since ’60s?" Out-of-wedlock-births among blacks skyrocketed.

c. The biggest drop in black poverty took place during the two decades before the Great Society. Thomas Sowell, “Civil Rights: Rhetoric or Reality?” p. 84.

7. Next, Liberal judges and academics decided it was a bad idea to punish criminals. They suggested that we try to understand the criminal…and give him 157 second chances.

a. Between 1960 and 1973, the number of FBI index crimes- serious offenses such as murder, rape, arson, robbery, assault, kidnapping and burglary- nearly tripled, from 2,019,600 to 5,891,924.
The Pathological Politics of Criminal Law by William Stuntz :: SSRN

b. Hundreds of thousands of Americans had to die because Liberals had some neat new ideas about crime.

8. In a weird aberration of the thought process, Liberals are unable to process questions such as:
a. You think not imprisoning criminals will lead to less crime?
b. You say that by paying women to have children out of wedlock, we’ll reduce the illegitimacy rate?
c. Are you sure that a guaranteed income will encourage people to work harder?

9. To hide their own role in the suppression of a black middle class, liberals promoted the myth that it was slavery alone that had produced dystopian culture.

a. The entire press corps dedicated itself to clamping down on anyone that looked askance at the dysfunctional black culture.

b. Look closely at film footage of Martin Luther King’s campaigns, and note impeccably dressed audiences in sober business clothes: middle class gatherings of married parents and intact families. Destroyed by malignant reformers.
From "Mugged," by Coulter

At that time the Liberals were Republicans and the conservatives who wanted to keep their way of life (slavery, black codes, and jim crow) were conservative democrats and republicans. By it's nature, conservatism wants to keep the staus quo, by it's nature Liberalism wants to change the status quo and have equal rights for everyone. Liberals fought and fight for Civil rights, Liberals are the ones interested in Civil Liberties.

 

[Pheonixops]

Lets do a little research shall we? Let's see who has been more detrimental to the causes of the Black American.

In the 1860s, Southern Democrats continually advocated the use of slavery. It took a Republican to slay these racial demons with the 13th Amendment.

During reconstruction, racial equality was continually hampered even after the 13th Amendment's passage; by Democrats who were taking ever increasing majorities in local, state and federal offices, especially during the 1880's. This eventually led to the instatement the Jim Crow laws. In 1875, attempts were made by Republicans to break Jim Crow, it was however, thwarted by Democrats. It was during this time the Democratic Party gave birth to the KKK.

For nearly a century, Jim Crow ruled over the land with an iron fist. Nary a black man anywhere could be treated equally, because of the racial hatred of the Democratic Party. These laws were finally ended by the Supreme Court Decision of 1954, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. Ironically, in 1963, it was Democrats who launched major opposition to the Equal Pay Act, which effectively ended the gender pay disparity in the workplace.

In 1964, Democrats were once again fighting to stop racial equality in the states. They fought tooth and nail against the Civil Rights act of 1964, with a former Klansman leading the charge. As a Democratic Senator Richard Russell from Georgia put it: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."

For 57 days they filibustered the bill, until Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) shamed them into relenting. The Bill was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson in the Summer of 1964. The next year, the same Congress passed the Voting Rights Act.

Where were Democrats? I thought they claimed to be the party of equality? Yet history is riddled with examples of their racial hatred towards African Americans. It's sad in a way to think how they have warped and twisted their minds into believing the current platforms in place today, kept ignorant of the history that precedes the Democratic Party.

That was then and this is now. The Democrats are the first party to elect a Black President. The Democrats have more Black representatives than the republican party. History is history times and parties change.

 

[Pheonixops]

Lets do a little research shall we? Let's see who has been more detrimental to the causes of the Black American.

In the 1860s, Southern Democrats continually advocated the use of slavery. It took a Republican to slay these racial demons with the 13th Amendment.

During reconstruction, racial equality was continually hampered even after the 13th Amendment's passage; by Democrats who were taking ever increasing majorities in local, state and federal offices, especially during the 1880's. This eventually led to the instatement the Jim Crow laws. In 1875, attempts were made by Republicans to break Jim Crow, it was however, thwarted by Democrats. It was during this time the Democratic Party gave birth to the KKK.

For nearly a century, Jim Crow ruled over the land with an iron fist. Nary a black man anywhere could be treated equally, because of the racial hatred of the Democratic Party. These laws were finally ended by the Supreme Court Decision of 1954, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. Ironically, in 1963, it was Democrats who launched major opposition to the Equal Pay Act, which effectively ended the gender pay disparity in the workplace.

In 1964, Democrats were once again fighting to stop racial equality in the states. They fought tooth and nail against the Civil Rights act of 1964, with a former Klansman leading the charge. As a Democratic Senator Richard Russell from Georgia put it: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."

For 57 days they filibustered the bill, until Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) shamed them into relenting. The Bill was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson in the Summer of 1964. The next year, the same Congress passed the Voting Rights Act.

Where were Democrats? I thought they claimed to be the party of equality? Yet history is riddled with examples of their racial hatred towards African Americans. It's sad in a way to think how they have warped and twisted their minds into believing the current platforms in place today, kept ignorant of the history that precedes the Democratic Party.

Southern Democrats back then were CONSERVATIVES.

Remember when Zell Miller, a Southern conservative Democrat, said that he didn't leave the Democratic Party,

the party left him?

Southern Democrats became Republicans when the national Democratic party moved too far to the left of them on civil rights issues;

they, and their racism, found a happy home in the Republican party, which itself was moving to the right.

right so you accord redemption to some - gore sr. fulbright, carter, bryd....(and resurrection vis a vis past action's contradictory to blacks) and withhold it from others.....becasue..... they were conservatives all along





and I will ask you the same thing I ask all of the South strategy nitwits- please provide proof that a) the SS was successful, b) bills, legislation etc. thats speaks to this influx of rednecks that resulted in such......

RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes
It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Michael Steele: For Decades GOP Pursued 'Southern Strategy' That Alienated Minorities
During his remarks he also acknowledged that for decades the GOP pursued "'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South."

Steele was asked to explain why an African-American should vote Republican at a university-sponsored discussion on the conservative movement. The RNC chairman's response: "You really don't have a reason to, to be honest -- we haven't done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True."

Steele also discussed with students his own experience being the victim of racial discrimination -- a subject that the he has openly addressed in the past. Steele told TV One's Roland Martin in November that even some of his fellow Republicans are "scared" of him because of his race.

Steele acknowledged his party's failure to reach out and connect with African-Americans and other marginalized communities. "We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans," he explained.

 

[Pheonixops]

1. Oh, yeah, it was, it had to overturn laws instated by LIBERALS in the 1870's.

2. Black people are still dependent on government because...white people still discriminate against them? Is that the best you could do? The seeds of their dependency were planted by your own party.

3. Martin Luther King was shockingly a Republican. Or did you forget that little tidbit? Jake has not responded to me after that confrontation. So he is probably still licking his wounds. Like you are.

4. Lets not divert from the subject matter here. Misogyny is when you suggest that people like Kermit Gosnell not be vilified for victimizing poor innocent women and children. I have many black friends, I have two friends who are gay, I have a quite a few women as friends. My grandmother is ironically a woman, my mother in law is woman. I was raised by a woman, a single mother. So don't lecture me on racism or misogyny. You have a hard time hiding your hatred of religious people, so if anything you have a lot more to work on than I.

Is it your lot in life to make prevaricated assumptions about people you dislike? Grow the fuck up Joe.

Yeah, below sure looks like the republican platform.

Myth #1: King wanted only equal rights, not special privileges and would have opposed affirmative action, quotas, reparations, and the other policies pursued by today’s civil rights leadership.

This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation’s Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King’s Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.

King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.

"Despite his constant invocations of the Declaration of Independence, King did not have much pride in America’s founding. He believed "our nation was born in genocide," and claimed that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were meaningless for blacks because they were written by slave owners."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."

Yeah, the above sure looks like the republican platform. Thanks for the laugh!

"

Read up, hotshot.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Was A Republican

Frequently Asked Questions | National Black Republican Association

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought to stop Democrats from denying civil rights to blacks. It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican as has been affirmed by his niece, Dr. Alveda C. King.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not have joined the Democratic Party, the party of the Ku Klux Klan and segregation.

Dr. King fought against Democrat Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned skin-burning fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.

Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox famously brandished ax handles to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace blocked the entrance of two black students at the University of Alabama in 1963 and thundered, "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”. All of these racist Democrats remained Democrats until the day they died. In fact, racist Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.


Democrats Smeared Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

During the 1960’s, Democrats were relentless in their efforts to smear Dr. King and railroad his non-violent civil rights advocacy. The disparagement of Dr. King by Democrats led to his being physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death. In March of 1968, while referring to the fact that Dr. King left Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, former Klansman Democrat Senator Robert Byrd called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited, which motivated Dr. King to return to Memphis a few weeks later where he was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

An egregious act against Dr. King occurred on October 10, 1963. With the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy – President Kennedy's brother – authorized the wiretapping of Dr. King's telephone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on the telephones in Dr. King's home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King's hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

The trigger for this unsavory wiretapping was apparently Dr. Kings' criticism of the Kennedy Administration, according to the author David Garrow in his book, “Bearing the Cross”. The justification given by the Kennedy Administration publicly was that two of Dr. King's associates, including David Levinson, had ended their association with the Communist Party in order to work undercover and influence Dr. King. However, after years of continuous and extensive wiretapping, the FBI found no direct links of Dr. King to the Communist Party.

The unrelenting efforts by Democrats to tarnish Dr. King's reputation continued for years after his death. To his credit, Republican President Ronald Reagan made Dr. King’s birthday a federal holiday, ignoring how the Democrats had smeared Dr. King.

Today, while professing to revere Dr. King, Democrats are still trying to sully his image by making remarks that diminish his civil rights achievements and continuing to claim that Dr. King embraced Communism – a system that is secularist and socialist.

In reality, Dr. King was a Christian who held deeply religious beliefs and was guided by his faith and his Republican Party principles in his struggle to gain equality for blacks. He did not embrace the type of socialist, secularist agenda that is promoted by the Democratic Party today, which includes fostering dependency on welfare that breaks up families, supporting same-sex marriage and banning God from the public square.

An understanding of who the real Dr. King was can be gained from a glimpse of Dr. King as a young man who participated in an oratorical contest when he was 14 years old. The title of his speech was "The Negro and the Constitution" which had the following sentences: "We cannot have an enlightened democracy with one great group living in ignorance…We cannot be truly Christian people so long as we flout the central teachings of Jesus: brotherly love and the Golden Rule…."

If Dr. King were still alive, he would be slandered by Democrats in the same way that they smeared him in the 1960's and demean all black Republicans today.

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lets do a little research shall we? Let's see who has been more detrimental to the causes of the Black American.

In the 1860s, Southern Democrats continually advocated the use of slavery. It took a Republican to slay these racial demons with the 13th Amendment.

During reconstruction, racial equality was continually hampered even after the 13th Amendment's passage; by Democrats who were taking ever increasing majorities in local, state and federal offices, especially during the 1880's. This eventually led to the instatement the Jim Crow laws. In 1875, attempts were made by Republicans to break Jim Crow, it was however, thwarted by Democrats. It was during this time the Democratic Party gave birth to the KKK.

For nearly a century, Jim Crow ruled over the land with an iron fist. Nary a black man anywhere could be treated equally, because of the racial hatred of the Democratic Party. These laws were finally ended by the Supreme Court Decision of 1954, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. Ironically, in 1963, it was Democrats who launched major opposition to the Equal Pay Act, which effectively ended the gender pay disparity in the workplace.

In 1964, Democrats were once again fighting to stop racial equality in the states. They fought tooth and nail against the Civil Rights act of 1964, with a former Klansman leading the charge. As a Democratic Senator Richard Russell from Georgia put it: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."

For 57 days they filibustered the bill, until Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) shamed them into relenting. The Bill was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson in the Summer of 1964. The next year, the same Congress passed the Voting Rights Act.

Where were Democrats? I thought they claimed to be the party of equality? Yet history is riddled with examples of their racial hatred towards African Americans. It's sad in a way to think how they have warped and twisted their minds into believing the current platforms in place today, kept ignorant of the history that precedes the Democratic Party.

That was then and this is now. The Democrats are the first party to elect a Black President. The Democrats have more Black representatives than the republican party. History is history times and parties change.

The ole "that was then this is now" line.

You can't sit there and possibly expect me to accept that as a viable argument?

First of all, for all the reasons explained above, there is a reason why the roles are reversed. It is hypocritical for a Democrat to champion race, when the history of his party beckons him to suggest otherwise. Republicans seated the first six black men in congress in 1870 which paved the way for a man like Obama to become president. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. The Democrats didn't seat a black man or woman until 1934 (Arthur Wergs Mitchell).

A lot of you people need to work on your history. Badly.

 

[Pheonixops]

Lets do a little research shall we? Let's see who has been more detrimental to the causes of the Black American.

In the 1860s, Southern Democrats continually advocated the use of slavery. It took a Republican to slay these racial demons with the 13th Amendment.

During reconstruction, racial equality was continually hampered even after the 13th Amendment's passage; by Democrats who were taking ever increasing majorities in local, state and federal offices, especially during the 1880's. This eventually led to the instatement the Jim Crow laws. In 1875, attempts were made by Republicans to break Jim Crow, it was however, thwarted by Democrats. It was during this time the Democratic Party gave birth to the KKK.

For nearly a century, Jim Crow ruled over the land with an iron fist. Nary a black man anywhere could be treated equally, because of the racial hatred of the Democratic Party. These laws were finally ended by the Supreme Court Decision of 1954, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. Ironically, in 1963, it was Democrats who launched major opposition to the Equal Pay Act, which effectively ended the gender pay disparity in the workplace.

In 1964, Democrats were once again fighting to stop racial equality in the states. They fought tooth and nail against the Civil Rights act of 1964, with a former Klansman leading the charge. As a Democratic Senator Richard Russell from Georgia put it: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."

For 57 days they filibustered the bill, until Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) shamed them into relenting. The Bill was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson in the Summer of 1964. The next year, the same Congress passed the Voting Rights Act.

Where were Democrats? I thought they claimed to be the party of equality? Yet history is riddled with examples of their racial hatred towards African Americans. It's sad in a way to think how they have warped and twisted their minds into believing the current platforms in place today, kept ignorant of the history that precedes the Democratic Party.

That was then and this is now. The Democrats are the first party to elect a Black President. The Democrats have more Black representatives than the republican party. History is history times and parties change.

The ole "that was then this is now" line.

You can't sit there and possibly expect me to accept that as a viable argument?

First of all, for all the reasons explained above, there is a reason why the roles are reversed. It is hypocritical for a Democrat to champion race, when the history of his party beckons him to suggest otherwise. Republicans seated the first six black men in congress in 1870 which paved the way for a man like Obama to become president. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. The Democrats didn't seat a black man or woman until 1934 (Arthur Wergs Mitchell).

A lot of you people need to work on your history. Badly.

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yeah, below sure looks like the republican platform.

Myth #1: King wanted only equal rights, not special privileges and would have opposed affirmative action, quotas, reparations, and the other policies pursued by today’s civil rights leadership.

This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation’s Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King’s Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.

King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.

"Despite his constant invocations of the Declaration of Independence, King did not have much pride in America’s founding. He believed "our nation was born in genocide," and claimed that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were meaningless for blacks because they were written by slave owners."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."

Yeah, the above sure looks like the republican platform. Thanks for the laugh!

"

Read up, hotshot.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Was A Republican

Frequently Asked Questions | National Black Republican Association

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought to stop Democrats from denying civil rights to blacks. It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican as has been affirmed by his niece, Dr. Alveda C. King.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not have joined the Democratic Party, the party of the Ku Klux Klan and segregation.

Dr. King fought against Democrat Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned skin-burning fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.

Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox famously brandished ax handles to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace blocked the entrance of two black students at the University of Alabama in 1963 and thundered, "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”. All of these racist Democrats remained Democrats until the day they died. In fact, racist Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.


Democrats Smeared Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

During the 1960’s, Democrats were relentless in their efforts to smear Dr. King and railroad his non-violent civil rights advocacy. The disparagement of Dr. King by Democrats led to his being physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death. In March of 1968, while referring to the fact that Dr. King left Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, former Klansman Democrat Senator Robert Byrd called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited, which motivated Dr. King to return to Memphis a few weeks later where he was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

An egregious act against Dr. King occurred on October 10, 1963. With the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy – President Kennedy's brother – authorized the wiretapping of Dr. King's telephone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on the telephones in Dr. King's home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King's hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

The trigger for this unsavory wiretapping was apparently Dr. Kings' criticism of the Kennedy Administration, according to the author David Garrow in his book, “Bearing the Cross”. The justification given by the Kennedy Administration publicly was that two of Dr. King's associates, including David Levinson, had ended their association with the Communist Party in order to work undercover and influence Dr. King. However, after years of continuous and extensive wiretapping, the FBI found no direct links of Dr. King to the Communist Party.

The unrelenting efforts by Democrats to tarnish Dr. King's reputation continued for years after his death. To his credit, Republican President Ronald Reagan made Dr. King’s birthday a federal holiday, ignoring how the Democrats had smeared Dr. King.

Today, while professing to revere Dr. King, Democrats are still trying to sully his image by making remarks that diminish his civil rights achievements and continuing to claim that Dr. King embraced Communism – a system that is secularist and socialist.

In reality, Dr. King was a Christian who held deeply religious beliefs and was guided by his faith and his Republican Party principles in his struggle to gain equality for blacks. He did not embrace the type of socialist, secularist agenda that is promoted by the Democratic Party today, which includes fostering dependency on welfare that breaks up families, supporting same-sex marriage and banning God from the public square.

An understanding of who the real Dr. King was can be gained from a glimpse of Dr. King as a young man who participated in an oratorical contest when he was 14 years old. The title of his speech was "The Negro and the Constitution" which had the following sentences: "We cannot have an enlightened democracy with one great group living in ignorance…We cannot be truly Christian people so long as we flout the central teachings of Jesus: brotherly love and the Golden Rule…."

If Dr. King were still alive, he would be slandered by Democrats in the same way that they smeared him in the 1960's and demean all black Republicans today.

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

Actually, King never proclaimed to belong to any political party. Openly criticizing both, saying, in a 1958 interview: “The Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans. And this coalition of southern Dixiecrats and right-wing reactionary northern Republicans defeats every bill and every move towards liberal legislation in the area of civil rights.”

So yeah, my knowledge evolves, yours.. well you can stick to your piddly quotes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That was then and this is now. The Democrats are the first party to elect a Black President. The Democrats have more Black representatives than the republican party. History is history times and parties change.

The ole "that was then this is now" line.

You can't sit there and possibly expect me to accept that as a viable argument?

First of all, for all the reasons explained above, there is a reason why the roles are reversed. It is hypocritical for a Democrat to champion race, when the history of his party beckons him to suggest otherwise. Republicans seated the first six black men in congress in 1870 which paved the way for a man like Obama to become president. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. The Democrats didn't seat a black man or woman until 1934 (Arthur Wergs Mitchell).

A lot of you people need to work on your history. Badly.

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

Uh.. what now? I have a quote contradicting both of our claims.. which means both of us were wrong, but in the end not supporting your claim that he was a liberal. He was.. closer to an Independent if anything.

Move along.

 

[Pheonixops]

Read up, hotshot.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Was A Republican

Frequently Asked Questions | National Black Republican Association

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought to stop Democrats from denying civil rights to blacks. It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican as has been affirmed by his niece, Dr. Alveda C. King.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not have joined the Democratic Party, the party of the Ku Klux Klan and segregation.

Dr. King fought against Democrat Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned skin-burning fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.

Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox famously brandished ax handles to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace blocked the entrance of two black students at the University of Alabama in 1963 and thundered, "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”. All of these racist Democrats remained Democrats until the day they died. In fact, racist Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.


Democrats Smeared Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

During the 1960’s, Democrats were relentless in their efforts to smear Dr. King and railroad his non-violent civil rights advocacy. The disparagement of Dr. King by Democrats led to his being physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death. In March of 1968, while referring to the fact that Dr. King left Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, former Klansman Democrat Senator Robert Byrd called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited, which motivated Dr. King to return to Memphis a few weeks later where he was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

An egregious act against Dr. King occurred on October 10, 1963. With the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy – President Kennedy's brother – authorized the wiretapping of Dr. King's telephone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on the telephones in Dr. King's home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King's hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

The trigger for this unsavory wiretapping was apparently Dr. Kings' criticism of the Kennedy Administration, according to the author David Garrow in his book, “Bearing the Cross”. The justification given by the Kennedy Administration publicly was that two of Dr. King's associates, including David Levinson, had ended their association with the Communist Party in order to work undercover and influence Dr. King. However, after years of continuous and extensive wiretapping, the FBI found no direct links of Dr. King to the Communist Party.

The unrelenting efforts by Democrats to tarnish Dr. King's reputation continued for years after his death. To his credit, Republican President Ronald Reagan made Dr. King’s birthday a federal holiday, ignoring how the Democrats had smeared Dr. King.

Today, while professing to revere Dr. King, Democrats are still trying to sully his image by making remarks that diminish his civil rights achievements and continuing to claim that Dr. King embraced Communism – a system that is secularist and socialist.

In reality, Dr. King was a Christian who held deeply religious beliefs and was guided by his faith and his Republican Party principles in his struggle to gain equality for blacks. He did not embrace the type of socialist, secularist agenda that is promoted by the Democratic Party today, which includes fostering dependency on welfare that breaks up families, supporting same-sex marriage and banning God from the public square.

An understanding of who the real Dr. King was can be gained from a glimpse of Dr. King as a young man who participated in an oratorical contest when he was 14 years old. The title of his speech was "The Negro and the Constitution" which had the following sentences: "We cannot have an enlightened democracy with one great group living in ignorance…We cannot be truly Christian people so long as we flout the central teachings of Jesus: brotherly love and the Golden Rule…."

If Dr. King were still alive, he would be slandered by Democrats in the same way that they smeared him in the 1960's and demean all black Republicans today.

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

Actually, King never proclaimed to belong to any political party. Openly criticizing both, saying, in a 1958 interview: “The Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans. And this coalition of southern Dixiecrats and right-wing reactionary northern Republicans defeats every bill and every move towards liberal legislation in the area of civil rights.”


So yeah, my knowledge evolves, yours.. well you can stick to your piddly quotes.

LOL, you just contradicted your own assertions!!! You posted: "Read up, hotshot.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Was A Republican".

Thank you for supporting my argument!!! The people I put in bold were the CONSERVATIVES of the day!!! Notice that Dr. King referred to that legislation as (drum roll please............), as LIBERAL legislation! In that quote above he actually proved my point and the other people's point that your beloved conservatives FOUGHT THE LIBERAL LEGISLATION that was geared towards helping Black people gain their Civil Rights and Civil Liberties! Thanks Hotshot,you just gave me another good quote to use when some fool or fools want to claim the Dr. King was a christian Republican conservative!
Those "piddly" quotes are facts.

 

[Pheonixops]

The ole "that was then this is now" line.

You can't sit there and possibly expect me to accept that as a viable argument?

First of all, for all the reasons explained above, there is a reason why the roles are reversed. It is hypocritical for a Democrat to champion race, when the history of his party beckons him to suggest otherwise. Republicans seated the first six black men in congress in 1870 which paved the way for a man like Obama to become president. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. The Democrats didn't seat a black man or woman until 1934 (Arthur Wergs Mitchell).

A lot of you people need to work on your history. Badly.

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

Uh.. what now? I have a quote contradicting both of our claims.. which means both of us were wrong, but in the end not supporting your claim that he was a liberal. He was.. closer to an Independent if anything.

Move along.

Actually, you were wrong and I wasn't wrong. What claim did allegedly I make that was "wrong", can you be more specific? Why move along when I am having some fun here discussing things with you and other people?

 

[buckeye45_73]

If you supported states rights in the civil rights battles in the 20th century, you were conservative on the issue.

That is what conservatism is on the issue of states' rights vs. the power of the federal government.

If you supported the right of states to segregate their schools, you were conservative on that issue.

If you supported the right of states to allow businesses to discriminate on the basis of race, you were conservative on that issue.

If you supported the right of states to outlaw interracial marriage, you were conservative on that issue.

That is what conservatism is. It doesn't matter what party you belong to. Some of you need to stop depressing the rest of us with your profound ignorance;

I think most of us with brains would like to maintain at least an iota of faith in there being at least a minimum amount of the same in the rest of you. Stop disappointing us.

This subject is waaay too much fun

So cabineer? Those southern CONSERVATIVES supported Roosevelt and his ideals.....doesnt sound too conservative to me....wasnt that expanding government power?
and I ask you

in which Presidential election, did the democrats have the more consevative candidate????????

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think that you and the author you posted the quote from need to read up more on Dr. King....hotshot. I provided actual quotes from him, were those quotes I provided part of the republican party platform now? Republicans want racial quotas, reparations, Democratic Socialism, and distribution of wealth?

Uh.. what now? I have a quote contradicting both of our claims.. which means both of us were wrong, but in the end not supporting your claim that he was a liberal. He was.. closer to an Independent if anything.

Move along.

Actually, you were wrong and I wasn't wrong. What claim did allegedly I make that was "wrong", can you be more specific? Why move along when I am having some fun here discussing things with you and other people?

Eh? Claiming that MLK wasn't a Republican, with some TL;DR "myth" copy paste?

 

[TemplarKormac]

If you supported states rights in the civil rights battles in the 20th century, you were conservative on the issue.

That is what conservatism is on the issue of states' rights vs. the power of the federal government.

If you supported the right of states to segregate their schools, you were conservative on that issue.

If you supported the right of states to allow businesses to discriminate on the basis of race, you were conservative on that issue.

If you supported the right of states to outlaw interracial marriage, you were conservative on that issue.

That is what conservatism is. It doesn't matter what party you belong to. Some of you need to stop depressing the rest of us with your profound ignorance;

I think most of us with brains would like to maintain at least an iota of faith in there being at least a minimum amount of the same in the rest of you. Stop disappointing us.

This subject is waaay too much fun

So cabineer? Those southern CONSERVATIVES supported Roosevelt and his ideals.....doesnt sound too conservative to me....wasnt that expanding government power?
and I ask you

in which Presidential election, did the democrats have the more consevative candidate????????

I think JFK could be considered, but not too entirely certain.

 

[Jarlaxle]

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God and goddess, are you really THIS FUCKING STUPID?! (Answerf course you are!)

Note: Willie Horton was brought up by that "conservative" Al Gore!

Al Gore was conservative in 1988. Even Fred Phelps supported him.

Point was, Al Gore brought up the Furlough Program. He didn't put pictures of the scarey black man on TV....

CA-RIST, you're stupid! Does it hurt to be THIS FUCKING DENSE, kid?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Al Gore was conservative in 1988. Even Fred Phelps supported him.

Point was, Al Gore brought up the Furlough Program. He didn't put pictures of the scarey black man on TV....

the scary black man was a murderer.....sux huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself Bush-41 did a good thing there.

Again- 6% of the African-Amercan vote in 2012.

First step in solving a problem is admitting you have one.

Sending Mike Dukakis packing so he could only ruin one state instead of the whole nation? Yep...he did a VERY good thing!