The REAL eason why climate change is political

[Ray From Cleveland]

But I did read them, on previous occasions. I told you that.

You're just weeping at me out of sheer butthurt now. Don't feel too badly about it. Most deniers eventually reach that stage, after receiving repeated spankings.

Wow, spankings? You libs really live in your own little world, don't you?

Oh, and you read all three articles before I posted them. Why do I not believe that, especially since some were several years old already?

That's what's irritating about you libs, you're all a bunch of liars; even when you get caught, you continue to lie.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Now, the rational people, we have it much easier, because the models have been very good. Not perfect, but that's why they're constantly being tweaked.

Report: 95 percent of global warming models are wrong

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Non-renewable energy sources, by definition, eventually disappear.

These anti-renewable energy people want us to cease all efforts towards developing renewable energy until the non-renewable energy is gone.

IOW, they are retarded.

No, we just don't want to be forced to buy something that's less reliable and more expensive than what we have now.

As for running out, yes, long after we leave this planet. In a hundred years or so, we will not be using petroleum made products, but that will have to come on it's own time. I could have bought a cell phone 30 years ago as well, but who could afford it back then? We stuck with landlines and pay phones until the technology became advanced enough to actually afford one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to. That's it. And yes, I am referring to independent conservatives as well. The rightwing listens to anything those Neanderthals in office say.

Once republicans in office denied climate change because they were bought off by the fossil fuel industry, the republican dick-sucking network known as Fox News ran with it. From there, their simple minded stupid audience bought into it too.

If the fossil fuel industry never made the GOP their bitch in the first place, this wouldn't even be a political issue.

Then we have Trump in his typical 5 year old boy fashion, pulled the US from the Paris Accord and cited a made-up global conspiracy to undermine the US economically. God he is a moron. Oh and just in case you didn't know Trumpsters, the man you now worship used to publicly criticize Obama for not doing enough about climate change. Further proof that Trump has no core principles. Why do Trumpsters not see that by now?

When literally every government on earth says that climate change is real and the republicans are still in denial, you have to wonder if it is simply because repubs are too much of pussies to admit they were wrong about this issue all along. Maybe they are scared of the truth?

These 22 Republican Senators Got Paid By Exxon To Urge Trump To Ditch Paris Climate Accords

Oil and gas industry has pumped millions into Republican campaigns

Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

 

[2aguy]

The US is relocating an entire town because of climate change. And this is just the beginning

Then again, if you don't want to believe the earth is warming, fine. Let's say it isn't.

Now make the argument that therefore pollution is okay, and that the development of renewable, clean energy sources is stupid.

The article says that the Island is sinking, moron. That isn't climate change.

CO2 isn't pollution. The development of renewable energy sources is a stupid waste of money.

Not only that...but the current of the river also moves the river around...it has nothing to do with climate....

Is pollution okay if it's not causing global warming?

No....who said it was?

 

[2aguy]

Non-renewable energy sources, by definition, eventually disappear.

These anti-renewable energy people want us to cease all efforts towards developing renewable energy until the non-renewable energy is gone.

IOW, they are retarded.

No, we just don't want to be forced to buy something that's less reliable and more expensive than what we have now.

As for running out, yes, long after we leave this planet. In a hundred years or so, we will not be using petroleum made products, but that will have to come on it's own time. I could have bought a cell phone 30 years ago as well, but who could afford it back then? We stuck with landlines and pay phones until the technology became advanced enough to actually afford one.

And what the left wingers never take into account, as they try to crush innovation and force us to waste time on solar and wind, is that 100 years from now a new, unknown source of power generation may very well be discovered.....innovation, that is the key...not forcing everyone to use solar and wind just because the left likes them, even though solar and wind just do not work as efficiently and are not less expensive than coal, natural gas and oil...

And of course, they fight nuclear energy, the greenest energy of all....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Non-renewable energy sources, by definition, eventually disappear.

These anti-renewable energy people want us to cease all efforts towards developing renewable energy until the non-renewable energy is gone.

IOW, they are retarded.

No, we just don't want to be forced to buy something that's less reliable and more expensive than what we have now.

As for running out, yes, long after we leave this planet. In a hundred years or so, we will not be using petroleum made products, but that will have to come on it's own time. I could have bought a cell phone 30 years ago as well, but who could afford it back then? We stuck with landlines and pay phones until the technology became advanced enough to actually afford one.

And what the left wingers never take into account, as they try to crush innovation and force us to waste time on solar and wind, is that 100 years from now a new, unknown source of power generation may very well be discovered.....innovation, that is the key...not forcing everyone to use solar and wind just because the left likes them, even though solar and wind just do not work as efficiently and are not less expensive than coal, natural gas and oil...

And of course, they fight nuclear energy, the greenest energy of all....

Well.....nuclear energy still needs fuel; fuel we no longer manufacture. We have to buy all our uranium from other countries.

None of these alarmists have done anything on their own to advance their cause. None of them said they drive an all electric car. None of them told me they have a windmill in their backyards. None of them have told me they have solar panels on their homes. None of them have ever told me they use public transportation or ride a bike. They personally don't do any of those things. Why? Because of cost. But it's okay for them to demand those things of other people and have them foot the bill.

 

[mamooth]

Data, you mean all the data that has been manipulated by "scientist" to show more warming than has actually occurred?

I understand. All the data says your cult is wrong. The cultists can't admit that, because the cult would collapse if they did. Being that honesty is not an option for them, the only other option left to the cultists is making up a loopy conspiracy theory about how all the data is faked.

It's good to be part of the rational side. Being that all the data agrees with us, we ever need to make anything up. To "win", we just have to point at reality.

 

[2aguy]

Data, you mean all the data that has been manipulated by "scientist" to show more warming than has actually occurred?

I understand. All the data says your cult is wrong. The cultists can't admit that, because the cult would collapse if they did. Being that honesty is not an option for them, the only other option left to the cultists is making up a loopy conspiracy theory about how all the data is faked.

It's good to be part of the rational side. Being that all the data agrees with us, we ever need to make anything up. To "win", we just have to point at reality.

Climategate, the NASA admissions.........they are cooking the books to get money....

 

[mamooth]

Report: 95 percent of global warming models are wrong

Yes, yes, Spencer's debunked crap. I've read that before as well. Like I said, I've read everything your cult puts out. You need to understand that, being I know the actual science, I know you're peddling lies. You can fool your fellow cultists, but you can't fool honest and well-informed people. We know that your cult is lying, for the same reasons that we know flat earthers are lying.

Here's how the models really stack up. They've been very good. The cult liars scream otherwise, but everyone knows they're lying.

Climate model projections compared to observations

 

[mamooth]

Well.....nuclear energy still needs fuel; fuel we no longer manufacture. We have to buy all our uranium from other countries.

Who feeds you this nonsense?

Westinghouse says you're wrong.

Westinghouse – Nuclear | Westinghouse Electric Company > Operating Plants > Fuel > Fuel Products

 

[OKTexas]

Data, you mean all the data that has been manipulated by "scientist" to show more warming than has actually occurred?

I understand. All the data says your cult is wrong. The cultists can't admit that, because the cult would collapse if they did. Being that honesty is not an option for them, the only other option left to the cultists is making up a loopy conspiracy theory about how all the data is faked.

It's good to be part of the rational side. Being that all the data agrees with us, we ever need to make anything up. To "win", we just have to point at reality.

The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years. Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized.


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[mamooth]

Advice from a guy with an actual Science degree or two.....me...

Then you have no excuse for stinking so badly at the science.

Man made global warming is a myth and unprovable. It's based on faulty computer models built on manipulated and omitted data.

And you start out failing at the science. Global warming theory isn't based on models, and the only data faking and fudging going on is being done by your side.

You cannot build a model like that and exclude variables like cloud cover, the tilt and wobble of the Earth's axis, and the solar minimum and maximums.

Who told you such things were left out, and why did you fall for such a scam? Show us your source for that nutty claim.

Furthermore there is no reliable temperature data beyond the space era, and I am talking about not the 1960s, but it was not until the 1990s that we had enough satellite coverage to get a ROUGH SKETCH of what the average global temperature "might be".

Someone who wasn't totally ignorant of the science would know that the surface temperature record is the gold standard, and that satellite measurements of temperature still stink in comparison. The satellite data isn't real temperature data. It's the result of a model that's tweaked and filled with fudge factors. In contrast, the surface record uses things called "thermometers" to directly measure actual temperature.

One sign of pseudoscience is when a group throws away good data and only uses bad data. That's what deniers do. You deliberately throw away the best direct data, the surface data, solely because it contradicts your religious beliefs, and then you cherrypick a small subset of the bad data, the indirect satellite data, solely because you like the results.

We also cannot accurately measure global CO2 concentrations.

Bold assertion, with nothing to back it up. We can and do measure global CO2 concentrations quite well.

Volcanoes are contaminating the readings at Mauna Loa because they dump massive amounts of CO2 in the upper atmosphere.

You're just embarrassing yourself now. You haven't looked at any sources that don't come from your cult.

One Volcano in one day can spew out more CO2 than an entire year's industrial output of the most heavily industrialized nation.

A supervolcano that could extinguish life on earth might do that, but nothing short of that. Again, you're breathtakingly ignorant of the basics. Volcanoes put out about 1% as much CO2 as human activity.

CO2 is a non factor when it comes to bio diversity and life thriving on Earth unless you want to discuss it's greening factor when there are higher concentrations of it. It's a trace gas and has little effect on climate.

So, Mr. Geology, how did earth melt out of the snowball earth phase? Let's see you try to explain it without bringing in the effects of CO2.

We don't live in a Greenhouse. Greenhouse gas theory....and that is exactly what it is....a theory is based on a faulty premise that "The Greenhouse" traps all solar radiation or IR.

No, it's not. You're criticizing a theory that you have no understanding of.

Theories are NEVER "Settled Science"

So, according to your standard, the theory of gravity isn't settled science, and therefore we shouldn't be launching rockets, because we know nothing of gravity.

That's absurd. Perfect knowledge is not required for aspects of science to be settled. Gravity is settled _enough_ that we can launch rockets. Climate science is settled _enough_ that we know greenhouse gases created by humans are warming the planet strongly, so we should take action.

AGW is a funding instrument for research and the green industry

Conspiracy babbling, which destroys your last bit of credibility. If all the facts didn't flatly contradict your nonsense, you wouldn't have to invent conspiracy theories.

So was the ozone hole scare

We understand. Your cult gave you a list of conspiracy theories that all cultists are required believe. I also know, for example, that you'll tell us that the dirty liberals killed millions by banning DDT, and that supply-side economics works.

so was the impending doom of the Next Ice Age scare before it.

An ice age scare created by your side, and still pushed by your side. As another thread here demonstrates, all deniers still embrace that ice age scare right now, because the cult says they have to.

 

[mamooth]

The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Non-renewable energy sources, by definition, eventually disappear.

These anti-renewable energy people want us to cease all efforts towards developing renewable energy until the non-renewable energy is gone.

IOW, they are retarded.

No, we just don't want to be forced to buy something that's less reliable and more expensive than what we have now.

As for running out, yes, long after we leave this planet. In a hundred years or so, we will not be using petroleum made products, but that will have to come on it's own time. I could have bought a cell phone 30 years ago as well, but who could afford it back then? We stuck with landlines and pay phones until the technology became advanced enough to actually afford one.

You've proven my point. Hey, thanks!!

 

[Clementine]

So who will pay the most money on this "international" solution ?

The tax payers of the good ole USA. Might be okay if the 'solution' actually helped the climate. All it will do is redistribute money to other governments. This is about socialism and sustaining countries who are running out of other people's money.

 

[Rustic]

The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.

Fed Whistleblower: NOAA Scientists Manipulated Temperature Data To Hype ‘Global Warming’

 

[OKTexas]

The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.

Updated Satellite Data Shows Even Less Global Warming Than Before

Analysis: ‘100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering’

Govt Scientists Often Change Weather Data for US

NASA Data: Global Warming Still on “Pause,” Sea Ice Hit Record

Satellites show no global warming for 17 years 5 months

Settled, not so much. And you can't come up with an example so you deflect, good job regressive.


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[Old Rocks]

The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to.

Wrong it's because every prediction the left makes just doesn't pan out. The earth stops warming and you change the name to global climate change to cover all of the bases. At some point we have to ask wheres the beef?

What a fucked up liar you are. Or else you are terminally stupid and ignorant.

https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_ha04600x.pdf

Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 1960's and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated greenhouse effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980's. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

The Northwest Passage opened up in 2007 for the first time. And last year a luxury passenger liner transited the Passage without any problems.