The REAL eason why climate change is political

The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

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Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.
Fed Whistleblower: NOAA Scientists Manipulated Temperature Data To Hype ‘Global Warming’
You are an idiot. I have seen the regression of the glaciers in the Cascades, Sierras, and Rockies, with my own eyes. We can see the diminishment of the glaciers on our ice capped volcanoes visible from our great cities. Decade by decade the ice line gets higher and higher on the peaks. This is the same in all the mountain ranges in the world.
 
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The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

Fig.A2.gif


Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.
Fed Whistleblower: NOAA Scientists Manipulated Temperature Data To Hype ‘Global Warming’
You are an idiot. I have seen the regression of the glaciers in the Cascades, Sierras, and Rockies, with my own eyes. We can see the diminishment of the glaciers on our ice capped volcanoes visible from our great cities. Decade by decade the ice line gets higher and higher on the peaks. This is the same in all the mountain ranges in the world.[/QUOTE]


They would of melted anyways , they were observed melting in 1850...what caused it horses?






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The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to.
Wrong it's because every prediction the left makes just doesn't pan out. The earth stops warming and you change the name to global climate change to cover all of the bases. At some point we have to ask wheres the beef?
What a fucked up liar you are. Or else you are terminally stupid and ignorant.

https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_ha04600x.pdf

Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 1960's and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated greenhouse effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980's. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

The Northwest Passage opened up in 2007 for the first time. And last year a luxury passenger liner transited the Passage without any problems.



Chill out old smelly balls....The promises and the predictions by scientist have not panned out. We were told Islands would be under water by 2020...not happening. Al Gore who has gotten very rich off of climate change said fish are swimming in the streets in Miami. I spend winters in Miami and the only time fish were found in the streets were in a hurricane. That very thing has been occurring in hurricanes since records have been kept. See he is the liar not me and you are his dupe.
 
The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to.
Wrong it's because every prediction the left makes just doesn't pan out. The earth stops warming and you change the name to global climate change to cover all of the bases. At some point we have to ask wheres the beef?
What a fucked up liar you are. Or else you are terminally stupid and ignorant.

https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_ha04600x.pdf

Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 1960's and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated greenhouse effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980's. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

The Northwest Passage opened up in 2007 for the first time. And last year a luxury passenger liner transited the Passage without any problems.


Chill out old smelly balls....The promises and the predictions by scientist have not panned out. We were told Islands would be under water by 2020...not happening. Al Gore who has gotten very rich off of climate change said fish are swimming in the streets in Miami. I spend winters in Miami and the only time fish were found in the streets were in a hurricane. That very thing has been occurring in hurricanes since records have been kept. See he is the liar not me and you are his dupe.

No one on the left gives a shit about Al Gore. He means absolutely nothing when it comes to actual scientific research.
 
The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to.
Wrong it's because every prediction the left makes just doesn't pan out. The earth stops warming and you change the name to global climate change to cover all of the bases. At some point we have to ask wheres the beef?
What a fucked up liar you are. Or else you are terminally stupid and ignorant.

https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_ha04600x.pdf

Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 1960's and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated greenhouse effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980's. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

The Northwest Passage opened up in 2007 for the first time. And last year a luxury passenger liner transited the Passage without any problems.


Chill out old smelly balls....The promises and the predictions by scientist have not panned out. We were told Islands would be under water by 2020...not happening. Al Gore who has gotten very rich off of climate change said fish are swimming in the streets in Miami. I spend winters in Miami and the only time fish were found in the streets were in a hurricane. That very thing has been occurring in hurricanes since records have been kept. See he is the liar not me and you are his dupe.

No one on the left gives a shit about Al Gore. He means absolutely nothing when it comes to actual scientific research.

Manbearpig is your hero... he invented the internet
 
The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to.
Wrong it's because every prediction the left makes just doesn't pan out. The earth stops warming and you change the name to global climate change to cover all of the bases. At some point we have to ask wheres the beef?
What a fucked up liar you are. Or else you are terminally stupid and ignorant.

https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_ha04600x.pdf

Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 1960's and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated greenhouse effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980's. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

The Northwest Passage opened up in 2007 for the first time. And last year a luxury passenger liner transited the Passage without any problems.


Chill out old smelly balls....The promises and the predictions by scientist have not panned out. We were told Islands would be under water by 2020...not happening. Al Gore who has gotten very rich off of climate change said fish are swimming in the streets in Miami. I spend winters in Miami and the only time fish were found in the streets were in a hurricane. That very thing has been occurring in hurricanes since records have been kept. See he is the liar not me and you are his dupe.

No one on the left gives a shit about Al Gore. He means absolutely nothing when it comes to actual scientific research.



Excuse us Jim Hanson was his advisor on inconvient truth...



https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2013/08/james-hansen-s-many-and-varied-furphies/




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The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to. That's it. And yes, I am referring to independent conservatives as well. The rightwing listens to anything those Neanderthals in office say.

Once republicans in office denied climate change because they were bought off by the fossil fuel industry, the republican dick-sucking network known as Fox News ran with it. From there, their simple minded stupid audience bought into it too.

If the fossil fuel industry never made the GOP their bitch in the first place, this wouldn't even be a political issue.

Then we have Trump in his typical 5 year old boy fashion, pulled the US from the Paris Accord and cited a made-up global conspiracy to undermine the US economically. God he is a moron. Oh and just in case you didn't know Trumpsters, the man you now worship used to publicly criticize Obama for not doing enough about climate change. Further proof that Trump has no core principles. Why do Trumpsters not see that by now?

When literally every government on earth says that climate change is real and the republicans are still in denial, you have to wonder if it is simply because repubs are too much of pussies to admit they were wrong about this issue all along. Maybe they are scared of the truth?

These 22 Republican Senators Got Paid By Exxon To Urge Trump To Ditch Paris Climate Accords

Oil and gas industry has pumped millions into Republican campaigns

Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?
 
The raw data shows you're full of it, there has been no significant warming in the last 10 years

The raw data says the opposite, that there's been strong warming. Why did you make such a crazy claim?

Fig.A2.gif


Name one calamitous Al Whore prediction that has materialized

Gore Rule invoked. When some nutter starts rambling about Al Gore, they forfeit the thread for their own side. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't deflect by demonizing some politician that their cult doesn't like.
Fed Whistleblower: NOAA Scientists Manipulated Temperature Data To Hype ‘Global Warming’
You are an idiot. I have seen the regression of the glaciers in the Cascades, Sierras, and Rockies, with my own eyes. We can see the diminishment of the glaciers on our ice capped volcanoes visible from our great cities. Decade by decade the ice line gets higher and higher on the peaks. This is the same in all the mountain ranges in the world.

Those glaciers have been receding for well over 100 years, and the greatest part of the regression occurred before 1950.

NBC Twists Facts, Again, About Glacier Park

FAIL!
 
The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to. That's it. And yes, I am referring to independent conservatives as well. The rightwing listens to anything those Neanderthals in office say.

Once republicans in office denied climate change because they were bought off by the fossil fuel industry, the republican dick-sucking network known as Fox News ran with it. From there, their simple minded stupid audience bought into it too.

If the fossil fuel industry never made the GOP their bitch in the first place, this wouldn't even be a political issue.

Then we have Trump in his typical 5 year old boy fashion, pulled the US from the Paris Accord and cited a made-up global conspiracy to undermine the US economically. God he is a moron. Oh and just in case you didn't know Trumpsters, the man you now worship used to publicly criticize Obama for not doing enough about climate change. Further proof that Trump has no core principles. Why do Trumpsters not see that by now?

When literally every government on earth says that climate change is real and the republicans are still in denial, you have to wonder if it is simply because repubs are too much of pussies to admit they were wrong about this issue all along. Maybe they are scared of the truth?

These 22 Republican Senators Got Paid By Exxon To Urge Trump To Ditch Paris Climate Accords

Oil and gas industry has pumped millions into Republican campaigns

Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.
 
The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to. That's it. And yes, I am referring to independent conservatives as well. The rightwing listens to anything those Neanderthals in office say.

Once republicans in office denied climate change because they were bought off by the fossil fuel industry, the republican dick-sucking network known as Fox News ran with it. From there, their simple minded stupid audience bought into it too.

If the fossil fuel industry never made the GOP their bitch in the first place, this wouldn't even be a political issue.

Then we have Trump in his typical 5 year old boy fashion, pulled the US from the Paris Accord and cited a made-up global conspiracy to undermine the US economically. God he is a moron. Oh and just in case you didn't know Trumpsters, the man you now worship used to publicly criticize Obama for not doing enough about climate change. Further proof that Trump has no core principles. Why do Trumpsters not see that by now?

When literally every government on earth says that climate change is real and the republicans are still in denial, you have to wonder if it is simply because repubs are too much of pussies to admit they were wrong about this issue all along. Maybe they are scared of the truth?

These 22 Republican Senators Got Paid By Exxon To Urge Trump To Ditch Paris Climate Accords

Oil and gas industry has pumped millions into Republican campaigns

Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.
 
The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to. That's it. And yes, I am referring to independent conservatives as well. The rightwing listens to anything those Neanderthals in office say.

Once republicans in office denied climate change because they were bought off by the fossil fuel industry, the republican dick-sucking network known as Fox News ran with it. From there, their simple minded stupid audience bought into it too.

If the fossil fuel industry never made the GOP their bitch in the first place, this wouldn't even be a political issue.

Then we have Trump in his typical 5 year old boy fashion, pulled the US from the Paris Accord and cited a made-up global conspiracy to undermine the US economically. God he is a moron. Oh and just in case you didn't know Trumpsters, the man you now worship used to publicly criticize Obama for not doing enough about climate change. Further proof that Trump has no core principles. Why do Trumpsters not see that by now?

When literally every government on earth says that climate change is real and the republicans are still in denial, you have to wonder if it is simply because repubs are too much of pussies to admit they were wrong about this issue all along. Maybe they are scared of the truth?

These 22 Republican Senators Got Paid By Exxon To Urge Trump To Ditch Paris Climate Accords

Oil and gas industry has pumped millions into Republican campaigns

Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.



Somkes and oil is two different things.... We need oil , we don't need smokes.




Quit listening to Bill Maher propaganda on a television made partly out of oil

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The ONLY reason why the rightwing initially doubted the science on climate change is because republicans in office told them to. That's it. And yes, I am referring to independent conservatives as well. The rightwing listens to anything those Neanderthals in office say.

Once republicans in office denied climate change because they were bought off by the fossil fuel industry, the republican dick-sucking network known as Fox News ran with it. From there, their simple minded stupid audience bought into it too.

If the fossil fuel industry never made the GOP their bitch in the first place, this wouldn't even be a political issue.

Then we have Trump in his typical 5 year old boy fashion, pulled the US from the Paris Accord and cited a made-up global conspiracy to undermine the US economically. God he is a moron. Oh and just in case you didn't know Trumpsters, the man you now worship used to publicly criticize Obama for not doing enough about climate change. Further proof that Trump has no core principles. Why do Trumpsters not see that by now?

When literally every government on earth says that climate change is real and the republicans are still in denial, you have to wonder if it is simply because repubs are too much of pussies to admit they were wrong about this issue all along. Maybe they are scared of the truth?

These 22 Republican Senators Got Paid By Exxon To Urge Trump To Ditch Paris Climate Accords

Oil and gas industry has pumped millions into Republican campaigns

Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.
CO2 isn't a health issue, dumbass. It isn't pollution. You exhale it with every breath.

How many times do you morons have to be told that?
 
Well, it's all about oil. Oil producers make a lot of money and don't want to lose their position or money making ability. So they spend money to safeguard their money.

You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.
CO2 isn't a health issue, dumbass. It isn't pollution. You exhale it with every breath.

How many times do you morons have to be told that?
Did you know there is cyanide in apples?
 
You don't need anybody to sell you oil. Oil sells itself. And if we don't want oil any longer, there are plenty of other countries that would be glad to take our share.

And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.
CO2 isn't a health issue, dumbass. It isn't pollution. You exhale it with every breath.

How many times do you morons have to be told that?
Did you know there is cyanide in apples?
Of what relevance to this discussion is that?
 
And yet there is a future of different energy sources. If pollution is a problem, if global warming is a problem, then people will push for different energy sources.

If global warming is a hoax, then people will carry on buying oil.

Simple as.

Why do you think they're pushing global warming as a hoax?

It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.
CO2 isn't a health issue, dumbass. It isn't pollution. You exhale it with every breath.

How many times do you morons have to be told that?
Did you know there is cyanide in apples?
Of what relevance to this discussion is that?
Because the point is, a substance can be deadly in some forms while safe in others. CO2 acidifies our oceans and kills fish. Now I know you don't care about the lives of fish, but they are a source of human food supply.
 
It's like this: Politicians (particularly Democrats) have been trying to gain more and more control over the people. The two vestiges left that stops them are healthcare and energy. Why? Because nobody lives without either.

Once our government (or other governments) have control over those two things, they will have the tools to have total control over the people.

Yes, people can reject more expensive, less reliable fuel, but if representatives don't give us that choice, we will be forced into it against our will.

No, it's not like that.

The simple FACT is that oil companies don't want to see people using less oil.

The cigarette companies did it, and many other companies will do it, regardless of the impact to people's health, they simply don't care about your health, they care about their profits.
CO2 isn't a health issue, dumbass. It isn't pollution. You exhale it with every breath.

How many times do you morons have to be told that?
Did you know there is cyanide in apples?
Of what relevance to this discussion is that?
Because the point is, a substance can be deadly in some forms while safe in others. CO2 acidifies our oceans and kills fish. Now I know you don't care about the lives of fish, but they are a source of human food supply.


So now there were no fish in the dinosaur era when C02 was five times as high?


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