The real reason Democrats wont allow children back to school:

[Cecilie1200]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I can remember last year, when the official line was still that homeschooling children was "child abuse", and how DARE anyone keep their children away from leftist public schools, who REALLY know what's best for them and REALLY care about them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I find the leftist stance on this remarkable. I mean, what if we just have to get used to having our kids learn online? Then if it takes us a couple of years before we wipe out this virus, and we opt to keep online schooling, it would mean massive layoffs for teachers as we would no longer have use for many of them. If one teacher can teach 25 kids, why not 250 kids? Why not 500?

On the other side of that coin is the hypocrisy of the right; particularly my favorite cable news network show host, Laura Ingraham. She's constantly telling her audience how kids staying out of school leads to apprehension and depression. How it's mental torture to keep these kids away from their classmates and teachers.

Wait a minute! Before the virus when education came up, people on the right always promoted home schooling. You know, get those kids out of the clutches of those liberal teachers showing kids how to put a condom on a banana, and filling their heads with environmental damage nonsense.

I'd say home schooling again is a separate discussion in that sure, if parents plan for home schooling and are going to do it. Just like if parents are wise enough to send their kids to private school. But supporting home schooling to me doesn't mean you don't send kids back to school for homes where they aren't going to do it

I think it's really always been a question of 1) schools shouldn't be deciding to indoctrinate children on non-academic issues, and 2) parents should always have the ability to decide what's best for their children.

In many cases, homeschooling is the only alternative available to public schools. And, as I mentioned before, it's pretty common for homeschooled kids to be enrolled in extra-curricular groups and activities to make up for the lack of social interaction in school. As things stand now, the kids are just cooped up and isolated all the time. That really isn't good for them.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

And then November 3 has come and gone and the plan is you did enough economic damage to get rid of Trump! In the meantime, screw the kids and their mental health!

Our plan hasn't done HALF of the economic damage that Trump is doing. Your economy contracted by 4.8 last quarter. Our economy contracted by 2.1% - the lowest of the G7. We've done NO CORPORATE BAILOUTS AT ALL. We've helped SMALL businesses with more than 10 employees. My son's company, with 3200 employees (manufacturing and retail), got NOTHING, and they're not going to get anything, but they did switch from making speakers and amplifiers to making ventilators, and got a government contract for ventilators. They're privately owned.

There is a small business program for payroll relief, but nothing for medium or large firms, publically traded companies, or billionaires. Workers are getting $2000 per month and $500 per child.

People started going back to work in early June. We went to Phase Two in early July, and Phase 3 this week. We had 400 cases nationwide on Friday, and that's an up slightly since we started re-opening. It was around 200 a day when we started re-opening. We have about 1/10th of your population, so that' the equivalent of 4000 cases a day in the USA.

Canada COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Canada Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

By every measure, other first world countries are MILES ahead of the USA. Trump keeps saying schools in Europe are re-opening, but they crush the outbreak before trying this and they're still having to backtrack and shut down in places.

Our school re-opening plan is still being finalized. BUT it will NOT be full classrooms and no masks. They're talking 2 days in class, and 2 days of remote learning to start. 1/2 full class rooms. Masks are being discussed but no consensus yet.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I can remember last year, when the official line was still that homeschooling children was "child abuse", and how DARE anyone keep their children away from leftist public schools, who REALLY know what's best for them and REALLY care about them.

This isn't last year fool, and things haven't changed in regards to the reasons why homeschooling to keep your children from mixing with minorities, getting liberal ideas or learning critical thinking skills is a form of child abuse. When your belief system is so flawed that they only way you can keep your children from abandoning your principles, is to exclude ideas, or people from their lives, that's not a religion, it's a cult.

 

[bendog]

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

Yep, and no matter how many times I point out to care4all that all she's doing is pouncing and criticizing and offering no solutions, no solutions come forward from her

The steps are in the CDC Guidelines for schools... social distancing.... it suggest two shifts for schools or two days a week in person, the others at home online... mask wearing, disinfection procedures, having students study and play in pods, same small group all day long, eating in class rooms, instead of the cafeteria, and a whole bunch of stuff, that will reduce spread... And a good testing and contact tracing and quarantine program.....

This is how schools opened in other countries, ONCE they got their covid community spread in check.

Ah, and there's the rub. The constantly changing leftist standard of having covid in check.

We shut down in March with the goal of flattening the curve to not overwhelm the medical system. It was realized there would be local flareups.

Now we have the constantly changing standard of "cases." Overall, hospitalizations are still flat from March, they are not up from there. But the left is melting down about "cases." Also, the left isn't separating cases from increased testing from cases due to opening up but using both to fuel the hysteria.

No one knows how to end the coronavirus. So the countries that are overly shut down seem to just be dooming themselves to never working through it and spending a decade like this. If we are able to keep the death rate from growing higher than March, we could work through this and have cases really flatten. This is a highly contagious disease, everyone will get it. The best strategy deals with that.

What you have is a strategy which you can use to shuck and jive and shut things down keeping workers out of the economy and growth slow until the intended target date, November 4. Then we can discuss real strategies

We are not haphazardly breaking down because of the very rapid rise in infection.... we just know, that hospitalizations and then deaths, are lagging indicators.... first comes cases, then comes hospitalization rise, then comes ICU Beds filled, then comes deaths...

How in the world you got hospitalizations are not rising or deaths are not rising is beyond me? It's been all over the news for a week... in the hotspot states, they are bursting at the seams in the hospitals.... all ICU beds filled and they are having to create more of them and also calling in doctors and nurses from other states by the hundreds to help.....

It's spreading like wildfire across the south, but the hottest community spread is in Florida, Texas, Arizona, California, Georgia.... primarily bigger cities in those states.....

Everyone wants kids back is school. The OP began with an unsupported lie and there it goes. Trump wanted to pull aid from all schools not opening 5 days a week, but that is simply impossible. But we really have no choice but to open them as much as possible, and home the new therapeutic drugs can save lives so less than a 100K die by the election. We are alone among "developed" economies, and Trump owns that.

I think employers can work with workers who have kids in school only two days a week. The Fed govt could be helping with that by giving some tax incentive to do what is the right thing, and employers generally want to do right by their workers when they can. Betsy Devolution could be using Americorp to help schools get cheap classroom help and sub teachers. Imo American voters are forgiving if they think pols have learned from mistakes and are doing the best they can given the realities. But even here is Miss, schools gave Trump a "hell no" about opening up without restriction. If you need an ICU bed for a car wreck or stroke, there are no Trauma One beds available, and what there is in the hinterlands is pretty much a luck of the draw. Of course Trump will win in Miss where face masks remain unpopular in most of the state. It will be interesting to see how that works out in schools.

Talk about white privilege.

So my ass is pasty white. And I'm fine. I worked at home half the time anyway even before the coronavirus because my team works across the US and India. I barely need to be in the office. I've had some problems with my youngest daughter the last couple months and could deal with that without anyone on my teams even noticing.

But the poorer you are and the less tech savy you are, the less you can just work at home and work some extra hours off hours if you need some flexibility during work hours. You're increasing the gap between the haves and have nots. And even more people who don't even have internet access

I didn't call you white but now that you mention, you are a Karen. I was responding to a person who, I think, does not live in a less affluent urban area. Most people in my State, miss are rural. I think alternate days with cohorts could work. But districts will do as they see fit - UNLIKE WHAT TRUMP DEMANDED.

I live in a poor urban area and this is the plan for school openings.

Jackson Public Schools reopening plan includes virtual, on-site learning

Jackson Public Schools officials announced a reopening plan Thursday that includes online and in-person learning.

www.wapt.com

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I find the leftist stance on this remarkable. I mean, what if we just have to get used to having our kids learn online? Then if it takes us a couple of years before we wipe out this virus, and we opt to keep online schooling, it would mean massive layoffs for teachers as we would no longer have use for many of them. If one teacher can teach 25 kids, why not 250 kids? Why not 500?

On the other side of that coin is the hypocrisy of the right; particularly my favorite cable news network show host, Laura Ingraham. She's constantly telling her audience how kids staying out of school leads to apprehension and depression. How it's mental torture to keep these kids away from their classmates and teachers.

Wait a minute! Before the virus when education came up, people on the right always promoted home schooling. You know, get those kids out of the clutches of those liberal teachers showing kids how to put a condom on a banana, and filling their heads with environmental damage nonsense.

Ray, you ever taught an on-line class? If not, please shut up about how easy it is to teach hundreds of kids.

It's not about the teacher, it's about the kids. Young children don't learn as effectively online as in person. They don't have the concentration or discipline to sit at a computer and interact with a teacher

No they don't, and they don't learn well when younger siblings are disrupting their lesson times either. But you also have to consider the staff. 1/3 of teachers are "at risk" either by dint of their age or due to underlying conditions. So you can't just ignore the health risks to the adults in the schools either.

It still comes down to: GET CONTROL OF THE VIRUS BEFORE OPENING ANYTHING.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

You need to keep searching under the bed and in those closets for the boogeyman. No one wants to see kids not in school. But no administrator is going to hang their jobs and their livelyhood on sending kids back without infection rates going down and strict and clear guidelines from federal and state agencies. No teacher is going to want to go back into the classroom knowing that a kid could get them sick. And parents are not going to want to send their kids back knowing they could come home infected and make other members of their family sick, especially the more vulnerable. Contrary to right wingers popular belief, this virus does affect all age groups.

Al the European countries already have their kids in school. They're following the science, unlike the leftwing douchebags.

Al the European countries already have their kids in school. They're following the science, unlike the leftwing douchebags.

All the European countries have far less virus than we do.
Their positivity rates are all at 1% or less.
The US average is over 10% while some regions are as high as 20%.

Introducing the virus to so many US households is the last thing we should do.

Those claims lack an tengible evidence to support them. A number of European countries higher death rates than the USA.

I have no idea what the "positivity rate" is.

You could have GOOGLED IT TO FIND OUT, IDIOT.

Yeah, he should get right on Googling someone else's BS, rather than expecting them to make their own case.

Lazy much?

 

[Cecilie1200]

no one really knows what effect corvid has on kids. But if Trump was really interested in poor kids, he could call for every K-6 teacher without an aid to have one, and then schools really could open up in alternate day cohorts with social distancing, but Trump is only interested in his election propects

When did Trump become the President of every school board in the nation, and where was I when that happened?

What is it about left-minded people that they simply can't fathom any solution other than broad-brush federal mandates?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

The solution is:

Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything

HOW. What if it takes another year! What if doing that plunges the nation and world into another Great Depression?

Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff.

HOW? Testing costs money, takes resources and materials. Contact tracing of 300 million people would take 1 trillion people. You volunteering?

A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all.

Talk is cheap. Show how to do it ACCURATELY faster.

Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

Really? Partial reopening after 4 months, or 8X longer than originally thought as the nation is on the verge of collapse is RUSHING things? You obvious have no business, financial, legal or social interest in whether we ever reopen or not.

Wear masks, keep socially distant, practice good hygiene. Most of the rest of the world has figured it out. Why can't we? Let's put this argument to bed shall we?

Three simple acts can stop Covid-19 outbreaks, study finds | CNN

Coronavirus could be stopped if everyone used masks, washed their hands and stayed apart, anew study finds.

www.cnn.com

As far as testing goes, actually invoke the Defense Production Act to get them produced. Since it takes money, resources, and materials.

Money and speed for COVID-19 tests needed to combat 'impending disaster'

"No one wants to wait 26 days for a test result for a highly infectious deadly disease."

www.nbcnews.com

You're 100% correct about testing turnaround time. See the above link.

This country's virus infection rate is spiraling out of control because states opened back up too quickly with no real guidelines and restrictions in place. People got complacent and just went back to business as usual.
And we are just now beginning to see the results from the 4th of July weekend. The longer we wait to take action, the worse it will be. And it takes the economy along with it. A second wave of lockdowns is inevitable
for some states at this point.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

no one really knows what effect corvid has on kids. But if Trump was really interested in poor kids, he could call for every K-6 teacher without an aid to have one, and then schools really could open up in alternate day cohorts with social distancing, but Trump is only interested in his election propects

When did Trump become the President of every school board in the nation, and where was I when that happened?

What is it about left-minded people that they simply can't fathom any solution other than broad-brush federal mandates?

Uhh...The President of the United States issued a proclamation that all kids should go back to in classroom this fall and that he would consider withholding funding from any school system that didn't. That sounds to me like his broad brush mandate to help his re-election chances. Back to normal everybody. Don't care who dies.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

It's really amazing how you can hear, "Oh, please, share your wisdom with us about how to run our country!" no matter WHAT the person actually said.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I can remember last year, when the official line was still that homeschooling children was "child abuse", and how DARE anyone keep their children away from leftist public schools, who REALLY know what's best for them and REALLY care about them.

This isn't last year fool, and things haven't changed in regards to the reasons why homeschooling to keep your children from mixing with minorities, getting liberal ideas or learning critical thinking skills is a form of child abuse. When your belief system is so flawed that they only way you can keep your children from abandoning your principles, is to exclude ideas, or people from their lives, that's not a religion, it's a cult.

No, this ISN'T last year, fool. Thank you for acknowledging that the leftist sense of what's right and wrong is based solely on "What's good for our agenda right now?" When your belief system is so flawed that it flips a 180 every time the wind blows, it's the cult of leftism.

Spare me the lecture on what you "know" the reasons are for homeschooling, which is exactly like what you "know" about what the US is like and what our laws and culture are, ie. not a fucking thing. Please try to keep in mind - always generously assuming you have something which can be considered a mind - that I think you're the sorriest excuse for a human being that ever had an opposable thumb.

 

[Dragonlady]

no one really knows what effect corvid has on kids. But if Trump was really interested in poor kids, he could call for every K-6 teacher without an aid to have one, and then schools really could open up in alternate day cohorts with social distancing, but Trump is only interested in his election propects

When did Trump become the President of every school board in the nation, and where was I when that happened?

What is it about left-minded people that they simply can't fathom any solution other than broad-brush federal mandates?

On March 13th, Trump declared a National Emergency in regard to the corona virus, and on that day he became responsible for local schools.

What is it about conservatives that they cannot fathom why a federal mandate may be the ONLY thing that will stop the spread of the virus? They've worked in every country that is now re-opening. We were federally mandated to shut down, and we will be entering stage 3 of re-opening on Friday.

All of our local churches are still live streaming services. Canadian Christians, even the most devout, are grateful that they have access to services. No one is suggesting their rights are being violated by digital services. No minister has suggested that they will have live services and you can't stop me.

Canadian are sane, sensible, and don't have unreasonable fears that their government is "out to get them". If they thought that, the government would be voted out in the next election and the party would be burned to the ground. We've done it twice to the Conservatives in the past 30 years, and once to the Liberals.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

It's really amazing how you can hear, "Oh, please, share your wisdom with us about how to run our country!" no matter WHAT the person actually said.

It's a public message board, bitch. People are free to speak their minds, regardless of where they're from. I'm always open to new ideas and learning things from others because I'm not a closed minded, selfish, snot who thinks my shit doesn't stink. YMMV.

I thought you were all for freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. "Freedom" means EVERYONE is free to speak their minds. Even the people YOU don't like.

 

[flacaltenn]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... it could be thy too are just as infectious....

Whatever the exact ages are, it all goes together. The younger they are, the less likely they are to catch or transmit the disease. And older children still have a death rate virtually zero.

That doesn't support your argument of just call it all the same and shut it down.

But sure, the younger they are the safer it is. And hand in hand with that, the younger they are, the more they need social interaction and live education.

And again also, so screw poor families without internet? That's your position?

You're following the leftists script. Pounce and attack. Don't solve shit

Nope....

It matters because most schools are not ready to open safely, especially above the 4th grade, if 10 and above are spreaders just like adults.... They need safety measures in place, so that the adults, teachers, principles, janitors, cafeteria/ cooks are safer....And not allow the virus to spread rapidly among the students, so that they also do not bring it home, to all the adults in their home lives.

Having teachers quarantined at home when they all catch it, defeats the purpose. And good luck finding enough substitute teachers to come and fill in, for a covid infected classroom.

We can do this, we just need to be wise about it....

The hotspot regions can't open until they get their community spread down first....

You only provided hot air about kids. So they stay home. The younger kids aren't old enough to effectively learn on computers and they need social interaction. And poor kids may not have internet access at all. Ask the dragon lady, she's not with you on that one.

So when is enough that we stop screwing our children because fear, fear, fear? When can we stop screwing them? November 4?

All ya have to do is look at the list of demands from LA system Teacher's Union.. Reads like a democrat manifesto and has NOTHING TO DO with the kids OR fighting COVID...

L.A. Teachers Union Calls to Defund Police, Cap Charter Schools as Part of COVID Reopening Plan

The second-largest teachers union in the U.S. called to defund the police and place a moratorium on charter schools in a "research paper" recommending that Los Angeles city schools stay closed at the beginning of the fall semester.United Teachers Los Angeles released its study on school...

news.yahoo.com

Their main DEMANDS to help fight COVID???>

Defund the police.
Medicare for All
Kill every charter school or voucher choice.

 

[bendog]

no one really knows what effect corvid has on kids. But if Trump was really interested in poor kids, he could call for every K-6 teacher without an aid to have one, and then schools really could open up in alternate day cohorts with social distancing, but Trump is only interested in his election propects

When did Trump become the President of every school board in the nation, and where was I when that happened?

What is it about left-minded people that they simply can't fathom any solution other than broad-brush federal mandates?

On March 13th, Trump declared a National Emergency in regard to the corona virus, and on that day he became responsible for local schools.

What is it about conservatives that they cannot fathom why a federal mandate may be the ONLY thing that will stop the spread of the virus? They've worked in every country that is now re-opening. We were federally mandated to shut down, and we will be entering stage 3 of re-opening on Friday.

All of our local churches are still live streaming services. Canadian Christians, even the most devout, are grateful that they have access to services. No one is suggesting their rights are being violated by digital services. No minister has suggested that they will have live services and you can't stop me.

Canadian are sane, sensible, and don't have unreasonable fears that their government is "out to get them". If they thought that, the government would be voted out in the next election and the party would be burned to the ground. We've done it twice to the Conservatives in the past 30 years, and once to the Liberals.

What amuses me no end that every, every congregation in archconservative Mississippi that has held live services despite the Trumpian governor's plea not to has been WHITE and either not of any denomination or at best sort of a splinter. And Meanwhichl

no one really knows what effect corvid has on kids. But if Trump was really interested in poor kids, he could call for every K-6 teacher without an aid to have one, and then schools really could open up in alternate day cohorts with social distancing, but Trump is only interested in his election propects

When did Trump become the President of every school board in the nation, and where was I when that happened?

What is it about left-minded people that they simply can't fathom any solution other than broad-brush federal mandates?

Uhh...The President of the United States issued a proclamation that all kids should go back to in classroom this fall and that he would consider withholding funding from any school system that didn't. That sounds to me like his broad brush mandate to help his re-election chances. Back to normal everybody. Don't care who dies.

Yet the Tumpateers cheer on this violation on not just federalism but traditional conservative deference to local govts deciding education issues, as much as possible. And at the same time, they choose to ignore (or lie) about the fact that Trump did indeed shut down American in March. not the governors. And law enforcement not being a federal issue, unless governors request help

I see something at play beyond adherence to conservatism even when its painful.

 

[toobfreak]

It's really amazing how you can hear, "Oh, please, share your wisdom with us about how to run our country!" no matter WHAT the person actually said.

People are free to speak their minds, regardless of where they're from.

Not in CANADA they aren't!

I'm always open to new ideas
learning things from others
freedom of speech -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm not a closed minded, selfish, snot [like you] who thinks my shit doesn't stink.

Nuff said. Case well made. Draggybitch painted herself into that one.

 

[kaz]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I find the leftist stance on this remarkable. I mean, what if we just have to get used to having our kids learn online? Then if it takes us a couple of years before we wipe out this virus, and we opt to keep online schooling, it would mean massive layoffs for teachers as we would no longer have use for many of them. If one teacher can teach 25 kids, why not 250 kids? Why not 500?

On the other side of that coin is the hypocrisy of the right; particularly my favorite cable news network show host, Laura Ingraham. She's constantly telling her audience how kids staying out of school leads to apprehension and depression. How it's mental torture to keep these kids away from their classmates and teachers.

Wait a minute! Before the virus when education came up, people on the right always promoted home schooling. You know, get those kids out of the clutches of those liberal teachers showing kids how to put a condom on a banana, and filling their heads with environmental damage nonsense.

I'd say home schooling again is a separate discussion in that sure, if parents plan for home schooling and are going to do it. Just like if parents are wise enough to send their kids to private school. But supporting home schooling to me doesn't mean you don't send kids back to school for homes where they aren't going to do it

I think it's really always been a question of 1) schools shouldn't be deciding to indoctrinate children on non-academic issues, and 2) parents should always have the ability to decide what's best for their children.

In many cases, homeschooling is the only alternative available to public schools. And, as I mentioned before, it's pretty common for homeschooled kids to be enrolled in extra-curricular groups and activities to make up for the lack of social interaction in school. As things stand now, the kids are just cooped up and isolated all the time. That really isn't good for them.

Yes. Any parent who home schools really needs to have a wide variety of social activities for their children

 

[kaz]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

And then November 3 has come and gone and the plan is you did enough economic damage to get rid of Trump! In the meantime, screw the kids and their mental health!

Our plan hasn't done HALF of the economic damage that Trump is doing. Your economy contracted by 4.8 last quarter. Our economy contracted by 2.1% - the lowest of the G7. We've done NO CORPORATE BAILOUTS AT ALL. We've helped SMALL businesses with more than 10 employees. My son's company, with 3200 employees (manufacturing and retail), got NOTHING, and they're not going to get anything, but they did switch from making speakers and amplifiers to making ventilators, and got a government contract for ventilators. They're privately owned.

There is a small business program for payroll relief, but nothing for medium or large firms, publically traded companies, or billionaires. Workers are getting $2000 per month and $500 per child.

People started going back to work in early June. We went to Phase Two in early July, and Phase 3 this week. We had 400 cases nationwide on Friday, and that's an up slightly since we started re-opening. It was around 200 a day when we started re-opening. We have about 1/10th of your population, so that' the equivalent of 4000 cases a day in the USA.

Canada COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Canada Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

By every measure, other first world countries are MILES ahead of the USA. Trump keeps saying schools in Europe are re-opening, but they crush the outbreak before trying this and they're still having to backtrack and shut down in places.

Our school re-opening plan is still being finalized. BUT it will NOT be full classrooms and no masks. They're talking 2 days in class, and 2 days of remote learning to start. 1/2 full class rooms. Masks are being discussed but no consensus yet.

What a simpleton reply. The US was down by 4.8% in a quarter and tiny Canada by 2.1%. Well, there you have it, proof Trump is an idiot!

Actually, Trump's not the one you just proved is an idiot ...

 

[kaz]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I can remember last year, when the official line was still that homeschooling children was "child abuse", and how DARE anyone keep their children away from leftist public schools, who REALLY know what's best for them and REALLY care about them.

This isn't last year fool, and things haven't changed in regards to the reasons why homeschooling to keep your children from mixing with minorities, getting liberal ideas or learning critical thinking skills is a form of child abuse. When your belief system is so flawed that they only way you can keep your children from abandoning your principles, is to exclude ideas, or people from their lives, that's not a religion, it's a cult.

More race whoring. Pass. You know leftists know yourselves that you're losing badly when you start pulling out the racism crap. It's the only card in your deck. You play it to end any conversation you're getting your head handed to you. Fuck you, bitch. Seriously