The real reason Democrats wont allow children back to school:

[bripat9643]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

You need to keep searching under the bed and in those closets for the boogeyman. No one wants to see kids not in school. But no administrator is going to hang their jobs and their livelyhood on sending kids back without infection rates going down and strict and clear guidelines from federal and state agencies. No teacher is going to want to go back into the classroom knowing that a kid could get them sick. And parents are not going to want to send their kids back knowing they could come home infected and make other members of their family sick, especially the more vulnerable. Contrary to right wingers popular belief, this virus does affect all age groups.

Al the European countries already have their kids in school. They're following the science, unlike the leftwing douchebags.

Al the European countries already have their kids in school. They're following the science, unlike the leftwing douchebags.

All the European countries have far less virus than we do.
Their positivity rates are all at 1% or less.
The US average is over 10% while some regions are as high as 20%.

Introducing the virus to so many US households is the last thing we should do.

Comparing countries with different methods for counting and collecting coronavirus data as if they are the same is still retarded

Comparing countries with different methods for counting and collecting coronavirus data as if they are the same is still retarded

There's only one way to calculate the positivity rate, dope.
It's simply the rate of positives in a given test sample group. The more positives, the more virus in the community.

Have you always been that naive and gullible?

Let me guess: you didn't read any of the stories about counties in Florida simply ignoring and not reporting negative results, because your masters didn't tell you to know about them, right?

"Leftwing" is a euphemism for "naive and gullible."

 

[Care4all]

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

Yep, and no matter how many times I point out to care4all that all she's doing is pouncing and criticizing and offering no solutions, no solutions come forward from her

The steps are in the CDC Guidelines for schools... social distancing.... it suggest two shifts for schools or two days a week in person, the others at home online... mask wearing, disinfection procedures, having students study and play in pods, same small group all day long, eating in class rooms, instead of the cafeteria, and a whole bunch of stuff, that will reduce spread... And a good testing and contact tracing and quarantine program.....

This is how schools opened in other countries, ONCE they got their covid community spread in check.

Ah, and there's the rub. The constantly changing leftist standard of having covid in check.

We shut down in March with the goal of flattening the curve to not overwhelm the medical system. It was realized there would be local flareups.

Now we have the constantly changing standard of "cases." Overall, hospitalizations are still flat from March, they are not up from there. But the left is melting down about "cases." Also, the left isn't separating cases from increased testing from cases due to opening up but using both to fuel the hysteria.

No one knows how to end the coronavirus. So the countries that are overly shut down seem to just be dooming themselves to never working through it and spending a decade like this. If we are able to keep the death rate from growing higher than March, we could work through this and have cases really flatten. This is a highly contagious disease, everyone will get it. The best strategy deals with that.

What you have is a strategy which you can use to shuck and jive and shut things down keeping workers out of the economy and growth slow until the intended target date, November 4. Then we can discuss real strategies

We are not haphazardly breaking down because of the very rapid rise in infection.... we just know, that hospitalizations and then deaths, are lagging indicators.... first comes cases, then comes hospitalization rise, then comes ICU Beds filled, then comes deaths...

How in the world you got hospitalizations are not rising or deaths are not rising is beyond me? It's been all over the news for a week... in the hotspot states, they are bursting at the seams in the hospitals.... all ICU beds filled and they are having to create more of them and also calling in doctors and nurses from other states by the hundreds to help.....

It's spreading like wildfire across the south, but the hottest community spread is in Florida, Texas, Arizona, California, Georgia.... primarily bigger cities in those states.....

 

[francoHFW]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

No, goofy. It’s because they don’t want their kids to get sick.

This dumbass is the reason why we need to get kids back in school. But the real insidiousness of why progs dont want kids back in school, is that they know their kids are stupid as fuck like their parents so want to dumb down the rest of the kids so the prog kids can have a chance....Again just look at this billygoat.

You people are just amazing. Trump has totally screwed up the reaction to the disease and people are not going to send their kids off in the middle of this mess that Trump caused with absolutely no leadership PPE testing and tracing etc. He actually politicized it so that Republicans won't wear masks. Absolute idiocy.

 

[bripat9643]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

No, goofy. It’s because they don’t want their kids to get sick.

This dumbass is the reason why we need to get kids back in school. But the real insidiousness of why progs dont want kids back in school, is that they know their kids are stupid as fuck like their parents so want to dumb down the rest of the kids so the prog kids can have a chance....Again just look at this billygoat.

You people are just amazing. Trump has totally screwed up the reaction to the disease and people are not going to send their kids off in the middle of this mess that Trump caused with absolutely no leadership PPE testing and tracing etc. He actually politicized it so that Republicans won't wear masks. Absolute idiocy.

Trump caused COVID? You have to be brain-damaged to believe a claim like that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The morning radio show here in Chicago, Dan and Amy talked to a teacher in Sweden........their schools are open, no social distancing, no masks....and they do not have an outbreak in the schools....the only reason that the democrat party teachers unions are pushing the lies to keep the schools closed is to disrupt the economy. They want to hurt Trump in November, and keeping families disrupted because they have to watch their kids at home makes this easier.

And, of course, should Biden manage to win, it all evaporates the next day and suddenly everything is open again and all those now shrieking doom and gloom will be ecstatically proclaiming there was no reason to stay shut down as long as we did.

Trump forced the shutdown. It's all his fault.

Sure, sure, let's go with that. Is it your contention that the democrats had nothing to do with shutting down? Before you answer, keep in mind all those democrat state governors who leaped at it. I mean, I know your programming insists that TRUMP! has to be responsible for every single thing under the sun (which immediately changes should Biden manage to win. Then he'll be responsible for nothing), but be realistic.

THE VIRUS IS NOT PARTISAN. IT DOESN'T CARE WHETHER YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN. THE RESPONSE SHOULD NOT BE POLITICIZED.

TRUMP DECLARED A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. THAT MEANS HE'S IN CHARGE AND YES, EVERY SINGLE DECISION HE HAS MADE HAS INCREASED THE LEVEL OF DISEASE AND DEATH. THE FAILURE OF THE AMERICAN RESPONSE IS THE FAILURE OF DONALD J. TRUMP. HE'S THE ONE WHO SAID "I, AND I ALONE CAN FIX IT".

IT'S TIME TO WALK THAT WALK DONALD. WEAR THE FUCKING MASK ASSHAT!

How would you know, Canuck? You get everything wrong about our government because yours is so screwed up!

 

[Dragonlady]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

 

[kaz]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

True. And Democrats know that. They want to force parents to stay at home so they don't work and help the economy. It's part of their hate filled, anti-American November 3 strategy. It's stick

Many households are check to check families. Government can't support people forever as we are approaching 30 trillion dollars in debt if we don't stop these giveaways. It's a struggle enough for a couple, but how are single parents supposed to stay home if they got called back to work and therefore can't get on unemployment?

If we are to be totally honest, school mostly serves us as a government baby sitter.

Educationally, yes. But it is better for younger kids still to be in socially as well. Certainly to your point it'd be far better for parents to have put them in private schools so they can get a real education as well.

Whether kids need to go back to school in the fall (they do) and what schools they are going to go to are important discussions, but they are separate discussions.

What cracks me up is when leftists say schools are terrible, so they don't need to go back!

I find the leftist stance on this remarkable. I mean, what if we just have to get used to having our kids learn online? Then if it takes us a couple of years before we wipe out this virus, and we opt to keep online schooling, it would mean massive layoffs for teachers as we would no longer have use for many of them. If one teacher can teach 25 kids, why not 250 kids? Why not 500?

On the other side of that coin is the hypocrisy of the right; particularly my favorite cable news network show host, Laura Ingraham. She's constantly telling her audience how kids staying out of school leads to apprehension and depression. How it's mental torture to keep these kids away from their classmates and teachers.

Wait a minute! Before the virus when education came up, people on the right always promoted home schooling. You know, get those kids out of the clutches of those liberal teachers showing kids how to put a condom on a banana, and filling their heads with environmental damage nonsense.

Ray, you ever taught an on-line class? If not, please shut up about how easy it is to teach hundreds of kids.

It's not about the teacher, it's about the kids. Young children don't learn as effectively online as in person. They don't have the concentration or discipline to sit at a computer and interact with a teacher

 

[kaz]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

And then November 3 has come and gone and the plan is you did enough economic damage to get rid of Trump! In the meantime, screw the kids and their mental health!

 

[francoHFW]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

No, goofy. It’s because they don’t want their kids to get sick.

This dumbass is the reason why we need to get kids back in school. But the real insidiousness of why progs dont want kids back in school, is that they know their kids are stupid as fuck like their parents so want to dumb down the rest of the kids so the prog kids can have a chance....Again just look at this billygoat.

You people are just amazing. Trump has totally screwed up the reaction to the disease and people are not going to send their kids off in the middle of this mess that Trump caused with absolutely no leadership PPE testing and tracing etc. He actually politicized it so that Republicans won't wear masks. Absolute idiocy.

Trump caused COVID? You have to be brain-damaged to believe a claim like that.

You have to be brain-damaged to see that in my post. We have had the worst reaction to the disease the stupidest reaction to the disease, thanks to the orange clown. Politicizing wearing face masks is the dumbest thing since not producing enough equipment to fight it. Or his tax cuts or his tariff and trade wars and everything else he's done. Read something not published by Rupert Murdoch for crying out loud..... You live on a imaginary planet.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

No, goofy. It’s because they don’t want their kids to get sick.

This dumbass is the reason why we need to get kids back in school. But the real insidiousness of why progs dont want kids back in school, is that they know their kids are stupid as fuck like their parents so want to dumb down the rest of the kids so the prog kids can have a chance....Again just look at this billygoat.

You people are just amazing. Trump has totally screwed up the reaction to the disease and people are not going to send their kids off in the middle of this mess that Trump caused with absolutely no leadership PPE testing and tracing etc. He actually politicized it so that Republicans won't wear masks. Absolute idiocy.

Trump caused COVID? You have to be brain-damaged to believe a claim like that.

That's not what he said, you dolt. He said Trump screwed up the American response to the disease. The REST OF THE FIRST WORLD, is open for business. You are not. Americans are the pariahs of the first world.

GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER OR NO ONE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU. YOU'RE CURRENTLY CONFINED TO YOUR DISEASE RIDDEN COUNTRY. NO COUNTRY WILL LET AMERICANS IN. YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

DEATH, DISEASE AND DEBT ARE THE HALLMARKS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

So they get the virus under control, just by September 1st, then everyone can go back to being normal, and the economy can be roaring again, like it was before the Kung Flu was release by China colluding with the Biden Camping. Then comes the everyday Flu, does that count towards "related to Covid" and we shut down again?

 

[kaz]

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

Yep, and no matter how many times I point out to care4all that all she's doing is pouncing and criticizing and offering no solutions, no solutions come forward from her

The steps are in the CDC Guidelines for schools... social distancing.... it suggest two shifts for schools or two days a week in person, the others at home online... mask wearing, disinfection procedures, having students study and play in pods, same small group all day long, eating in class rooms, instead of the cafeteria, and a whole bunch of stuff, that will reduce spread... And a good testing and contact tracing and quarantine program.....

This is how schools opened in other countries, ONCE they got their covid community spread in check.

Ah, and there's the rub. The constantly changing leftist standard of having covid in check.

We shut down in March with the goal of flattening the curve to not overwhelm the medical system. It was realized there would be local flareups.

Now we have the constantly changing standard of "cases." Overall, hospitalizations are still flat from March, they are not up from there. But the left is melting down about "cases." Also, the left isn't separating cases from increased testing from cases due to opening up but using both to fuel the hysteria.

No one knows how to end the coronavirus. So the countries that are overly shut down seem to just be dooming themselves to never working through it and spending a decade like this. If we are able to keep the death rate from growing higher than March, we could work through this and have cases really flatten. This is a highly contagious disease, everyone will get it. The best strategy deals with that.

What you have is a strategy which you can use to shuck and jive and shut things down keeping workers out of the economy and growth slow until the intended target date, November 4. Then we can discuss real strategies

We are not haphazardly breaking down because of the very rapid rise in infection.... we just know, that hospitalizations and then deaths, are lagging indicators.... first comes cases, then comes hospitalization rise, then comes ICU Beds filled, then comes deaths...

How in the world you got hospitalizations are not rising or deaths are not rising is beyond me? It's been all over the news for a week... in the hotspot states, they are bursting at the seams in the hospitals.... all ICU beds filled and they are having to create more of them and also calling in doctors and nurses from other states by the hundreds to help.....

It's spreading like wildfire across the south, but the hottest community spread is in Florida, Texas, Arizona, California, Georgia.... primarily bigger cities in those states.....

And the Democrats keep going to that well even though it's long dry. Deaths and hospitalizations are in fact lagging indicators, but they aren't lagging since March. They aren't four month lagging indicators. Nice try. Not really, just being nice. And the portion of increased positives that are do to expanded testing don't lag increase hospitalizations and deaths. Neither is that younger people are more and more of the positive tests and they have very low hospitalization and death rates. And also they are local flareups, they aren't across the board. I'm in Florida in a large county away from Miami. Our cases are up, but they are pretty low still compared to any of the big cities. Lumping us isn't reasonable.

OK, so you're at least trying to answer my question what you want since you offered nothing, but you want everything isn't a very good answer to that. Children ARE being harmed, the economy is being harmed. You still seem to be stalling past November 3

 

[kaz]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Another ignorant Canuck who doesn't know that children's death rate is virtually zero and they don't effectively transmit the disease.

You also don't care that children are being harmed by being kept at home, they don't effectively learn on computers in replacement of live instruction and that poor kids may not have computer access at all.

Just another hate filled leftist

Yes and No. Ultimately, the jury is still out because while they think that's the case, they're not 100% sure. And it still doesn't change the fact you can't rule the virus spreading with older children. Not every child who attends school is a first grader.
The point still stands. Lower the virus infection rate, take the necessary precautions and issue the relevant guidelines...and we could get back to something resembling normal..including sending kids back to school.

Older Kids May Transmit COVID-19 as Much as Adults Do, New Evidence Shows

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, scientists and health authorities have often observed that children do not appear to contract and transmit the virus to the same extent as adults.

www.sciencealert.com

Or what we could do is open schools for kids up to high school grades. High school kids can stay home while their parents work and learn online.

The study showed 10 years old and older spread the virus as fast and efficient as adults....

The study on 10 years younger children, is not complete yet... They are not showing as contagious, but believe it could be the younger ones were isolated more... it could be they too are just as infectious....

Pretty much the opposite from what I've heard and read. Any credible link to your claim here?

Older children can spread the coronavirus just like adults, new study says

This new study says young adults can spread COVID-19 rather easily.

www.deseret.com

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds (Published 2020)

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

www.nytimes.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Again, all you're arguing is cut off. That younger children are less vulnerable and need to be in school more is still very important and you keep running away from that, just as you're ignoring that poor children are more likely to have no internet access at all

10 and younger....are allegedly less infectious

But I heard a scientist on the news last night that the study on 10 and younger is not complete.... They believe they too can spread it as well, but the reason they had not in the original study group is because they were protected and sheltered more....

So the 10 and younger group needs more studies.

OK, but you're still only arguing one side and ignoring the damage being done to children, particularly poor children. You aren't offering ANY solutions, just criticizing.

And again, the death rate for children of all ages is still virtually zero

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

The solution is:

1. Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything;

2. Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff. A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all. Reagents and testing supplies are still in short supply and there is no effective contract tracing set up in most states.

3. Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

We're all excited where I live. We go to Stage 3 on Friday, with masks being mandated when in closed spaces. Our biggest issue right now is teaching children to wear masks, and learning to carry them with us, although most stores are giving them out at the moment.

My grandkids are having typical kid issues. The kids hate wearing them just as much as the rest of us, but they see their parents modelling wearing the masks, and understand they're now necessary. We have four babies under the age of 3 in our family at the moment, so these little ones don't understand and the almost 3 year old is having no part of it, except he wants to go with the rest of the family. Let's just say it ain't easy, but this little guy is better at wearing his mask than the President of the United States.

Note when Trump wears a mask you still parrot that talking point and lying. Which of course yet again is Trump proving himself right about you

 

[bendog]

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

Yep, and no matter how many times I point out to care4all that all she's doing is pouncing and criticizing and offering no solutions, no solutions come forward from her

The steps are in the CDC Guidelines for schools... social distancing.... it suggest two shifts for schools or two days a week in person, the others at home online... mask wearing, disinfection procedures, having students study and play in pods, same small group all day long, eating in class rooms, instead of the cafeteria, and a whole bunch of stuff, that will reduce spread... And a good testing and contact tracing and quarantine program.....

This is how schools opened in other countries, ONCE they got their covid community spread in check.

Ah, and there's the rub. The constantly changing leftist standard of having covid in check.

We shut down in March with the goal of flattening the curve to not overwhelm the medical system. It was realized there would be local flareups.

Now we have the constantly changing standard of "cases." Overall, hospitalizations are still flat from March, they are not up from there. But the left is melting down about "cases." Also, the left isn't separating cases from increased testing from cases due to opening up but using both to fuel the hysteria.

No one knows how to end the coronavirus. So the countries that are overly shut down seem to just be dooming themselves to never working through it and spending a decade like this. If we are able to keep the death rate from growing higher than March, we could work through this and have cases really flatten. This is a highly contagious disease, everyone will get it. The best strategy deals with that.

What you have is a strategy which you can use to shuck and jive and shut things down keeping workers out of the economy and growth slow until the intended target date, November 4. Then we can discuss real strategies

We are not haphazardly breaking down because of the very rapid rise in infection.... we just know, that hospitalizations and then deaths, are lagging indicators.... first comes cases, then comes hospitalization rise, then comes ICU Beds filled, then comes deaths...

How in the world you got hospitalizations are not rising or deaths are not rising is beyond me? It's been all over the news for a week... in the hotspot states, they are bursting at the seams in the hospitals.... all ICU beds filled and they are having to create more of them and also calling in doctors and nurses from other states by the hundreds to help.....

It's spreading like wildfire across the south, but the hottest community spread is in Florida, Texas, Arizona, California, Georgia.... primarily bigger cities in those states.....

Everyone wants kids back is school. The OP began with an unsupported lie and there it goes. Trump wanted to pull aid from all schools not opening 5 days a week, but that is simply impossible. But we really have no choice but to open them as much as possible, and home the new therapeutic drugs can save lives so less than a 100K die by the election. We are alone among "developed" economies, and Trump owns that.

I think employers can work with workers who have kids in school only two days a week. The Fed govt could be helping with that by giving some tax incentive to do what is the right thing, and employers generally want to do right by their workers when they can. Betsy Devolution could be using Americorp to help schools get cheap classroom help and sub teachers. Imo American voters are forgiving if they think pols have learned from mistakes and are doing the best they can given the realities. But even here is Miss, schools gave Trump a "hell no" about opening up without restriction. If you need an ICU bed for a car wreck or stroke, there are no Trauma One beds available, and what there is in the hinterlands is pretty much a luck of the draw. Of course Trump will win in Miss where face masks remain unpopular in most of the state. It will be interesting to see how that works out in schools.

 

[toobfreak]

The solution is:

Get the virus under control BEFORE opening anything

HOW. What if it takes another year! What if doing that plunges the nation and world into another Great Depression?

Get testing, and contract tracing up to snuff.

HOW? Testing costs money, takes resources and materials. Contact tracing of 300 million people would take 1 trillion people. You volunteering?

A testing system that takes two weeks to get results is no testing system at all.

Talk is cheap. Show how to do it ACCURATELY faster.

Re-opening pursuant to the guidelines, not just rushing to open.

Really? Partial reopening after 4 months, or 8X longer than originally thought as the nation is on the verge of collapse is RUSHING things? You obvious have no business, financial, legal or social interest in whether we ever reopen or not.

 

[francoHFW]

The morning radio show here in Chicago, Dan and Amy talked to a teacher in Sweden........their schools are open, no social distancing, no masks....and they do not have an outbreak in the schools....the only reason that the democrat party teachers unions are pushing the lies to keep the schools closed is to disrupt the economy. They want to hurt Trump in November, and keeping families disrupted because they have to watch their kids at home makes this easier.

And, of course, should Biden manage to win, it all evaporates the next day and suddenly everything is open again and all those now shrieking doom and gloom will be ecstatically proclaiming there was no reason to stay shut down as long as we did.

Trump forced the shutdown. It's all his fault.

Sure, sure, let's go with that. Is it your contention that the democrats had nothing to do with shutting down? Before you answer, keep in mind all those democrat state governors who leaped at it. I mean, I know your programming insists that TRUMP! has to be responsible for every single thing under the sun (which immediately changes should Biden manage to win. Then he'll be responsible for nothing), but be realistic.

THE VIRUS IS NOT PARTISAN. IT DOESN'T CARE WHETHER YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN. THE RESPONSE SHOULD NOT BE POLITICIZED.

TRUMP DECLARED A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. THAT MEANS HE'S IN CHARGE AND YES, EVERY SINGLE DECISION HE HAS MADE HAS INCREASED THE LEVEL OF DISEASE AND DEATH. THE FAILURE OF THE AMERICAN RESPONSE IS THE FAILURE OF DONALD J. TRUMP. HE'S THE ONE WHO SAID "I, AND I ALONE CAN FIX IT".

IT'S TIME TO WALK THAT WALK DONALD. WEAR THE FUCKING MASK ASSHAT!

How would you know, Canuck? You get everything wrong about our government because yours is so screwed up!

 

[bripat9643]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

No, goofy. It’s because they don’t want their kids to get sick.

This dumbass is the reason why we need to get kids back in school. But the real insidiousness of why progs dont want kids back in school, is that they know their kids are stupid as fuck like their parents so want to dumb down the rest of the kids so the prog kids can have a chance....Again just look at this billygoat.

You people are just amazing. Trump has totally screwed up the reaction to the disease and people are not going to send their kids off in the middle of this mess that Trump caused with absolutely no leadership PPE testing and tracing etc. He actually politicized it so that Republicans won't wear masks. Absolute idiocy.

Trump caused COVID? You have to be brain-damaged to believe a claim like that.

You have to be brain-damaged to see that in my post. We have had the worst reaction to the disease the stupidest reaction to the disease, thanks to the orange clown. Politicizing wearing face masks is the dumbest thing since not producing enough equipment to fight it. Or his tax cuts or his tariff and trade wars and everything else he's done. Read something not published by Rupert Murdoch for crying out loud..... You live on a imaginary planet.

That's exactly what you said, shit for brains.

Trump didn't politicize the wearing of face masks. The fake media did.

 

[kaz]

Yep.....they don't care about the damage. They care about beating Trump in November.

Yep, and no matter how many times I point out to care4all that all she's doing is pouncing and criticizing and offering no solutions, no solutions come forward from her

The steps are in the CDC Guidelines for schools... social distancing.... it suggest two shifts for schools or two days a week in person, the others at home online... mask wearing, disinfection procedures, having students study and play in pods, same small group all day long, eating in class rooms, instead of the cafeteria, and a whole bunch of stuff, that will reduce spread... And a good testing and contact tracing and quarantine program.....

This is how schools opened in other countries, ONCE they got their covid community spread in check.

Ah, and there's the rub. The constantly changing leftist standard of having covid in check.

We shut down in March with the goal of flattening the curve to not overwhelm the medical system. It was realized there would be local flareups.

Now we have the constantly changing standard of "cases." Overall, hospitalizations are still flat from March, they are not up from there. But the left is melting down about "cases." Also, the left isn't separating cases from increased testing from cases due to opening up but using both to fuel the hysteria.

No one knows how to end the coronavirus. So the countries that are overly shut down seem to just be dooming themselves to never working through it and spending a decade like this. If we are able to keep the death rate from growing higher than March, we could work through this and have cases really flatten. This is a highly contagious disease, everyone will get it. The best strategy deals with that.

What you have is a strategy which you can use to shuck and jive and shut things down keeping workers out of the economy and growth slow until the intended target date, November 4. Then we can discuss real strategies

We are not haphazardly breaking down because of the very rapid rise in infection.... we just know, that hospitalizations and then deaths, are lagging indicators.... first comes cases, then comes hospitalization rise, then comes ICU Beds filled, then comes deaths...

How in the world you got hospitalizations are not rising or deaths are not rising is beyond me? It's been all over the news for a week... in the hotspot states, they are bursting at the seams in the hospitals.... all ICU beds filled and they are having to create more of them and also calling in doctors and nurses from other states by the hundreds to help.....

It's spreading like wildfire across the south, but the hottest community spread is in Florida, Texas, Arizona, California, Georgia.... primarily bigger cities in those states.....

Everyone wants kids back is school. The OP began with an unsupported lie and there it goes. Trump wanted to pull aid from all schools not opening 5 days a week, but that is simply impossible. But we really have no choice but to open them as much as possible, and home the new therapeutic drugs can save lives so less than a 100K die by the election. We are alone among "developed" economies, and Trump owns that.

I think employers can work with workers who have kids in school only two days a week. The Fed govt could be helping with that by giving some tax incentive to do what is the right thing, and employers generally want to do right by their workers when they can. Betsy Devolution could be using Americorp to help schools get cheap classroom help and sub teachers. Imo American voters are forgiving if they think pols have learned from mistakes and are doing the best they can given the realities. But even here is Miss, schools gave Trump a "hell no" about opening up without restriction. If you need an ICU bed for a car wreck or stroke, there are no Trauma One beds available, and what there is in the hinterlands is pretty much a luck of the draw. Of course Trump will win in Miss where face masks remain unpopular in most of the state. It will be interesting to see how that works out in schools.

Talk about white privilege.

So my ass is pasty white. And I'm fine. I worked at home half the time anyway even before the coronavirus because my team works across the US and India. I barely need to be in the office. I've had some problems with my youngest daughter the last couple months and could deal with that without anyone on my teams even noticing.

But the poorer you are and the less tech savy you are, the less you can just work at home and work some extra hours off hours if you need some flexibility during work hours. You're increasing the gap between the haves and have nots. And even more people who don't even have internet access

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump cultists, good luck with the whole "I DEMAND THAT WE GET TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!" line. That's going to be real popular with parents.

What they should do is have class and video so the parents that choose not to send their kids to school can watch the teacher at home instead. But I think most parents want their kids back in school because if they don't go, somebody has to stay home and watch them. That's not feasible for most working parents.

Most kids also don't do well being cooped up for extended periods of time. There's a reason why homeschooled kids join extra-curricular activities.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Because it would reveal they hyped COVID to crash the economy and hurt Trump.

Wouldn't that be an embarrassment if they all went back to school and NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

Wouldn't it be a tragedy if they all went back to school and hundreds of teachers, and children with asthma, and other "pre-existing conditions" got sick. I don't know of ANY parent who is so desperate for their children go back to school that they are prepared risk their children's lives or health to send them back.

CONTROL THE VIRUS. THEN TALK ABOUT RE-OPENING. IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Why in the fuck would anyone be as stupid as you are and send a kid with health problems back to school? Why in the fuck would anyone be stupid enough to think policy for all children should be decided based on the minority of them who have health problems?

And, as always, why in the fuck do you think anyone is looking to YOU for instructions on what's best for OUR country?