The Republican War On Women

[MarcATL]

God I'm sick of explaining this over and over to you right wing fools. But here goes again.

The rules of the game of business are defined by government. Any sports fan can tell you that football, baseball, or hockey without rules and referees would be a mess. Similarly, business without government doesn't work.

The conservative mantra is "let the market decide." But there is no market independent of government, so what they're really saying is, "Stop government from defending workers and the middle class, and let the corporations decide what is best.

Your policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business. It is, quite simply, an artifact of government regulation of markets and tax laws.

But, conservatives say, government is the problem, not the solution.

Excellent...

I see. So women aren't just concerned about sex, they also need special protection because they aren't able to find their own jobs and negotiate their own wages like men are. They need to be taken care of by men. So you're not sexist, you're just doing your duty as a big strong man and want to care for them. Well, you want someone else to, politicians. Wow, I couldn't make that shit up. You really are a misogynist.

Oh, that's a given. Sealyboob is definitely a misogynist. Just look at the vile (and stupid) posts he made in this thread

Is Rush a misogynist?

You won't get an answer to that one...crickets.

In the history of the world, I don't think there has ever been another society with such a big successful middle class as there was in America after the New Deal and Unions and Labor Laws.

But Republicans want to go back to before the New Deal??? That's because the American middle class makes too much. We are cutting into their corporate profits.

Indeed sir, indeed.

I never said they did. What they are trying to do is allow insurance companies to avoid paying for it as "preventative medicine" because your cult doesn't approve of us. So what? Seperation of chuch and state baby! If they got their way, a lot of poor women wouldn't be able to afford it. So they are TRYING to prevent poor women from having access to it.

Republicans love to control the conversation with their stupid arguments that have no basis in reality.

You could also ask me, "show me evidence that the Republicans have prevented anyone from purchasing healthcare."

No one said they did. They just allowed healthcare costs to go up so much that poor and middle class people can't afford it. They refused to pass any healthcare reform. Have since Clinton was President. Lets take a look back at the state of healthcare in 2007.

Flashback to 2007. Look at bullet number 2. The number is even bigger than 7 million by now I'm sure. But you guys defended the status quo? You didn't care about those 7 million people who lost their healthcare? Your response is what? Prove to you that the GOP are preventing people from getting insurance? How about allowing insurance companies to deny people for pre existing conditions? But I love it that you take this stance because its not going to win you any election.

Since Bush has been president:

•over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;
•nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;
•median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;
•three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;
•three million American workers have lost their pensions;
•home foreclosures are now the highest on record;
•the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn't happened since the great depression;
•the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;
•entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;
•wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.

You pathetic little fools. The stimulus did work. It got us through a very tough time. For example, can you imagine how many foreclosures would have happened if we didn't extend unemployment benefits? So you are wrong right off the bat. But I'll continue.

Tax increases are a necessary part of the solution. Do you do remember the GOP help extending unemployment benefits hostage in exchange for extending the Bush tax cuts? We've been waiting for the additional revenue. We can't fix the economy fast enough because the tea baggers are obstucting us. Them along with McConnnell and Boehner. Do you know McConnell has broken the filabuster record? Wonder why the liberal media isn't tellking us this?

Forget all that. We're never going to agree because you were going to say Obama sucks no matter how great of a job he's done, and I know under the circumstances, he's probably one of the best President's ever. Like Lincoln had to be President during a very difficult time and did it well, so has Obama. Bush was the worst and you want to literally go back to what got us in this mess. Talk about the definition of insanity. Remember, Clinton was good and you said he was bad and Bush 2 sucked and you liked him. So who's the fool, me or you?

Anyways, I want to debate you on this 80 year ago shit. What do you think was the start of the downfall? Was it the New Deal or Unions? Tell me your theories and I will prove you wrong. Bring it bitch!

You're single-handedly DEMOLISHING these radical RWers with facts and logic. WoW!

So you say that we manufactured this war on women and also it is us who are attacking women? Deflect much?

So much to say. You are wrong on so many levels. This is going to come off as a ramble but...

I'll agree with you on this one. Bush got more done with less of a majority. Can't argue with you there. But how can I reward Republicans because the lobbyists also own Democrats? Being upset with Obama or Clinton for going along with the GOP isn't a reason to vote GOP. Yes, I hate it how sometimes the Liberals don't stand up for the middle class more. Clinton was called a triangulator and Obama is trying the same shit. i want him to stop going along. Us Liberals consider Democrats Corporate Democrats. But why would that make me vote GOP? How are they any different? And don't say Ron Paul.

And why didn't Obama get more done, or get Single payer done? First of all, what do you care? Why do you bitch he didn't get more done when you didn't want him to get anything on his agenda done? You obstruct and then say see it didn't work? After 9-11, we let Bush put his full agenda into action. And this is what it produced.

And yes, the rich do own the Democrats too. I'll give you that one too. But again, no reason to vote GOP over this.

See, I understand that liberal democracy, unions and progressives are what created the utopia we went through from the New Deal to today. But from the moment it was passed, the rich have been fighting to chip away at it. Calling it Socialism. Bankrupting the government when they were in charge PROVING government doesn't work. No, cronie capitalism doesn't work. And they purchased all the media and control the message and you have been duped! You think corporate/mainstream media is liberal.

What makes me mad is they conned you middle class righties into voting against your own financial interests because of wedge/social issues. None of that matters when they turn you into a surf. But you believe the rich when they tell you we want socialism. No we don't. We want fairness. We haven't been fooled into thinking government is the problem. We know capitalism has been hijacked. We know MONEY is the problem. The rich have a louder voice than the rest of us now. And somehow they got you to go along. They told you we hate them or are jealous. Wake the fuck up. Anything wrong with profit sharing and collective bargaining?

The good thing is you are a minority. 40% agree with you. And 40% agree with me. It is the other 20 we are fighting for. And we are winning them over. Hispanics, Arabs, Women, Gays, 99'ers that are on the fense are all leaning towards Obama. Thank God.

Did I mention Mitch McConnell and Boehner/Ryan? Very unpopular. Privatize/kill medicare social security? That aint gonna win you any elections, or any arguments here.

Thank God that reason sometimes reigns, as it will this time.

Let me give you an example of how you are being intellectually dishonest.

Remember Bush and Pelosi sent us all $500? Did it work? No it didn't "work". But it kept us from having 3 consecutive quarters with a loss, and that allowed them to avoid being in an official "recession".

Did it work? Did it fix anything? It added to the debt, right? It was really just a bullshit loan we made to ourselves and now we owe it back with interest. Does that make any sense? But back then you said if we didn't want it to send it back. Remember or were you too young back then?

But that money went into the economy and I'm sure the merchants didn't turn the money down. So it helped get us through a rough time.

But you want Obama's stimulus to be a silver bullet. Because you hold him to a higher standard. I understand. He is a great man. Just like how you righties want to point to REAL unemployment now but you never did that to Bush. Hypocrites say what?

I remember well. I will NEVER forget the collosal failure that was Bush and his Badministration.

 

[Si modo]

The DNC's War on Mothers.

Thank the DNC's Rosen for firing the first shot on behalf of the Dems.

 

[sealybobo]

God I'm sick of explaining this over and over to you right wing fools. But here goes again.

The rules of the game of business are defined by government. Any sports fan can tell you that football, baseball, or hockey without rules and referees would be a mess. Similarly, business without government doesn't work.

The conservative mantra is "let the market decide." But there is no market independent of government, so what they're really saying is, "Stop government from defending workers and the middle class, and let the corporations decide what is best.

Your policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business. It is, quite simply, an artifact of government regulation of markets and tax laws.

But, conservatives say, government is the problem, not the solution.

Excellent...

Is Rush a misogynist?

You won't get an answer to that one...crickets.




Indeed sir, indeed.









You're single-handedly DEMOLISHING these radical RWers with facts and logic. WoW!

So you say that we manufactured this war on women and also it is us who are attacking women? Deflect much?

So much to say. You are wrong on so many levels. This is going to come off as a ramble but...

I'll agree with you on this one. Bush got more done with less of a majority. Can't argue with you there. But how can I reward Republicans because the lobbyists also own Democrats? Being upset with Obama or Clinton for going along with the GOP isn't a reason to vote GOP. Yes, I hate it how sometimes the Liberals don't stand up for the middle class more. Clinton was called a triangulator and Obama is trying the same shit. i want him to stop going along. Us Liberals consider Democrats Corporate Democrats. But why would that make me vote GOP? How are they any different? And don't say Ron Paul.

And why didn't Obama get more done, or get Single payer done? First of all, what do you care? Why do you bitch he didn't get more done when you didn't want him to get anything on his agenda done? You obstruct and then say see it didn't work? After 9-11, we let Bush put his full agenda into action. And this is what it produced.

And yes, the rich do own the Democrats too. I'll give you that one too. But again, no reason to vote GOP over this.

See, I understand that liberal democracy, unions and progressives are what created the utopia we went through from the New Deal to today. But from the moment it was passed, the rich have been fighting to chip away at it. Calling it Socialism. Bankrupting the government when they were in charge PROVING government doesn't work. No, cronie capitalism doesn't work. And they purchased all the media and control the message and you have been duped! You think corporate/mainstream media is liberal.

What makes me mad is they conned you middle class righties into voting against your own financial interests because of wedge/social issues. None of that matters when they turn you into a surf. But you believe the rich when they tell you we want socialism. No we don't. We want fairness. We haven't been fooled into thinking government is the problem. We know capitalism has been hijacked. We know MONEY is the problem. The rich have a louder voice than the rest of us now. And somehow they got you to go along. They told you we hate them or are jealous. Wake the fuck up. Anything wrong with profit sharing and collective bargaining?

The good thing is you are a minority. 40% agree with you. And 40% agree with me. It is the other 20 we are fighting for. And we are winning them over. Hispanics, Arabs, Women, Gays, 99'ers that are on the fense are all leaning towards Obama. Thank God.

Did I mention Mitch McConnell and Boehner/Ryan? Very unpopular. Privatize/kill medicare social security? That aint gonna win you any elections, or any arguments here.

Thank God that reason sometimes reigns, as it will this time.

Let me give you an example of how you are being intellectually dishonest.

Remember Bush and Pelosi sent us all $500? Did it work? No it didn't "work". But it kept us from having 3 consecutive quarters with a loss, and that allowed them to avoid being in an official "recession".

Did it work? Did it fix anything? It added to the debt, right? It was really just a bullshit loan we made to ourselves and now we owe it back with interest. Does that make any sense? But back then you said if we didn't want it to send it back. Remember or were you too young back then?

But that money went into the economy and I'm sure the merchants didn't turn the money down. So it helped get us through a rough time.

But you want Obama's stimulus to be a silver bullet. Because you hold him to a higher standard. I understand. He is a great man. Just like how you righties want to point to REAL unemployment now but you never did that to Bush. Hypocrites say what?

I remember well. I will NEVER forget the collosal failure that was Bush and his Badministration.

Thank you for letting me know its not all just falling on deaf ears like Si Modo and grunt11b.

 

[Si modo]

Thank you for letting me know its not all just falling on deaf ears like Si Modo and grunt11b.

You REALLY should read the thread.

Or maybe you just like looking like a fool.

 

[saveliberty]

The Democrat's War on Homes is far worse. Owning your own home used to mean a place to call your own and come back to the family. Now all the adults are at work and the kids spend all their time at school. Then they took away the homes. Nice.

 

[BluePhantom]

Thank you for letting me know its not all just falling on deaf ears like Si Modo and grunt11b.

Well the liberal, fruit cake choir is listening to you preach. I am not so sure about anyone else.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So we are waging a war without knowing about it? How exactly does that work?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The Democrat's War on Homes is far worse. Owning your own home used to mean a place to call your own and come back to the family. Now all the adults are at work and the kids spend all their time at school. Then they took away the homes. Nice.

Awwwwwwww....c'mon, now.

Give credit where it's due!!

Let's HEAR IT!!! for.....

ALLOWING THE MARKETPLACE TO
REGULATE ITSELF!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNBctwAsu48&feature=related]PBS NOW | Credit and Credibility part 1 - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[BluePhantom]

Hey sealy.....which one of these guys is you again? I think I saw Marc in there too.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5o2HLdiels&feature=relmfu]The Lame List ( S09E17 ) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[saveliberty]

Democrats pushed looser loan requirements, its fact Shaman.

 

[Foxfyre]

Apparently the Obama campaign is doing major damage control re Hillary Rosen's smear of Mrs. Romney and it already appears to have affected the divide between Obama and Romney re women voters. It has put Romney slightly in the lead in an Obama/Romney matchup in the most recent polling data, though within the margin of error, and that jump came mostly from women voters.

It probably didn't help any when the ladies on The View, almost all passionate partisan leftists, defended Rosen and further trashed Ann Romney. To their credit however, Michelle Obama and several Democrats rushed to defend stay at home moms, though it was critical damage control as up to one in four women are stay at home moms at least for a time.

 

[sealybobo]

When will you people stop digging?

*Sheesh!!*

And the GOP's attack on women isn't just about birth control. For example, in Wisconsin Scott Walker signed a bill repealing the state’s 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which allowed victims of workplace discrimination to seek damages in state courts. In doing so, he demonstrated that the GOP's attack on women is not just about sex and reproduction. It extends to every aspect of women’s lives.

Repealing the law was a no-brainer for state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R), who led the effort because of his belief that pay discrimination is a myth driven by liberal women’s groups. Ignoring multiple studies showing that the pay gap exists, Grothman blamed females for prioritizing childrearing and homemaking instead of money, saying, “Money is more important for men,”

Whatever gaps exist, he insists, stem from women’s decision to prioritize childrearing over their careers. “Take a hypothetical husband and wife who are both lawyers,” he says. “But the husband is working 50 or 60 hours a week, going all out, making 200 grand a year. The woman takes time off, raises kids, is not go go go.

Among Grothman’s inaccuracies is the idea that only males “expect to be a breadwinner someday.” In two-thirds of American families, women are either primary or co-breadwinners, and yet they still earn less than their male counterparts in all 50 states.

Wisconsin State Senator Says Money Is Less Important To Women

 

[Lakhota]

Great thread.

 

[Si modo]

Great thread.

Says the racist and anti-Semitic moron.

 

[Listening]

I didn't argue that the source was liberal. I argued that a) polls by news outlets are notoriously inaccurate in comparison to professional polling agencies, b) the poll in question uses phrasing and question structure that sways respondents to a particular point of view. Whether they do this by accident or design, who knows, but this is why media polls suck. They don't know how to structure it to avoid creating biases in their data. c) the results are highly questionable since the breakdown of Republican/Democrat/and Independent voters is not reflective of the breakdown of the nation. Since there are far fewer Republican voters surveyed the data will be biased toward Obama. If you can't grasp that you have the brain of a rock.

Now currently I would agree that Obama is ahead of Romney, but in reality not nearly by as much as liberals would like to think. The RCP average has Obama up 5.3% even with the highly questionable WaPo, CNN, and TIPP polls....that's not a good spread for an incumbent president seven months ahead of the election. In reality the spread is probably more like 2%-3% which is within a standard margin of error (a statistical tie).




Pffft.....if you are depending on the youth vote to win an election you are in BIG trouble my friend. They make a lot of noise, the love to march, they love to protest...but they don't vote in nearly the same numbers as they do the other things.

Pew says you are wrong.

66% of those under age 30 voted for Barack Obama making the disparity between young voters and other age groups larger than in any presidential election since exit polling began in 1972.

My God you are fucking dense. That's 66% of young voters who actually voted not 66% of all citizens 29 or under. I am arguing with a moron.

Yes, you are.

 

[Darkwind]

Casualties? How many have lost a limb? An eye?

Deaths? How many have been killed?

If this is a war, surely you can show Me the bomb craters. The scorch marks. The rivers of blood running in the streets.

Wait? Is that the sound of black hawks? Oh, no. Its just women going to work, paying bills, owning cars, owning homes, raising children, investing for their future.....

What were you talking about? Some kind of war or something?

 

[Listening]

Glad to see the left feeling so good about women.

I wonder how women feel being characterized as people who will drop everything like sheep and head in a different direction because of one radio guys comments.

I wonder what is more insulting.

This issue has very little to do with Rush. Santorum, for example, believes married women should not have the right to take the pill, even though for many it has added health benefits beyond just avoiding a pregnancy. Almost every GOP canddiate is for cutting funding to schools, which doesn't help children, and they are all in favour of raising taxes on the 47% who pay not federal income tax, even though that group is largely single moms.

Honestly, I can't think of one pro-women issue the GOP supports.

Santorum believes nothing of the sort.

Why do you guys feel the need to lie if you really believe your position is so strong?

It seems to be in their genetic make up.

Scott Walker had committed some huge blunders in my estimation and his timing on this last thing could not be worse.

Does that constitute a war on women. Hardly.

Now, do I think our huge divorce rate is creating all kinds of casualties among women. You bet.

 

[Foxfyre]

This issue has very little to do with Rush. Santorum, for example, believes married women should not have the right to take the pill, even though for many it has added health benefits beyond just avoiding a pregnancy. Almost every GOP canddiate is for cutting funding to schools, which doesn't help children, and they are all in favour of raising taxes on the 47% who pay not federal income tax, even though that group is largely single moms.

Honestly, I can't think of one pro-women issue the GOP supports.

Santorum believes nothing of the sort.

Why do you guys feel the need to lie if you really believe your position is so strong?

It seems to be in their genetic make up.

Scott Walker had committed some huge blunders in my estimation and his timing on this last thing could not be worse.

Does that constitute a war on women. Hardly.

Now, do I think our huge divorce rate is creating all kinds of casualties among women. You bet.

This so-called 'war on women' is difficult for me to fathom as I have spent a good deal of my working life holding jobs more commonly held by men, and I can't count a single time that my wages were less than a man's for doing those jobs. I never flet discriminated against for being a gal. I have never paid a woman less than a man in the same job for anybody I have ever hired or supervised.

A woman who takes time off work to have kids and be with them when they are little is to be commended and applauded for having her priorities straight. But when she goes back to work, she can hardly expect to be at the point of experience and seniority that she would have been if she hadn't taken that time off. Ditto the woman who has to miss work to be home with sick kids or to attend school functions, or that can't work overtime when everybody else does because the kids are due home from school, etc. She may sacrifice some wages and delay promotion opportunities to employees who are able to give full attention to their jobs. That is not discrimination. That is a life choice that the woman makes and few women ever regret making it.

Among women who choose full time careers and can give full attention to them, I believe the statistics now show that women on average, especailly young women, are out earning the guys, they recieve better pay as part timers, and enjoy somewhat lower unemployment rates during this recession.

There will always be exceptions, both among women and men, but the anecdotal anomaly is not a war on women.

 

[Listening]

Santorum believes nothing of the sort.

Why do you guys feel the need to lie if you really believe your position is so strong?

It seems to be in their genetic make up.

Scott Walker had committed some huge blunders in my estimation and his timing on this last thing could not be worse.

Does that constitute a war on women. Hardly.

Now, do I think our huge divorce rate is creating all kinds of casualties among women. You bet.

This so-called 'war on women' is difficult for me to fathom as I have spent a good deal of my working life holding jobs more commonly held by men, and I can't count a single time that my wages were less than a man's for doing those jobs. I never flet discriminated against for being a gal. I have never paid a woman less than a man in the same job for anybody I have ever hired or supervised.

A woman who takes time off work to have kids and be with them when they are little is to be commended and applauded for having her priorities straight. But when she goes back to work, she can hardly expect to be at the point of experience and seniority that she would have been if she hadn't taken that time off. Ditto the woman who has to miss work to be home with sick kids or to attend school functions, or that can't work overtime when everybody else does because the kids are due home from school, etc. may sacrifice some wages and delay promotion opportunities to employees who are able to give full attention to their jobs. That is not discrimination. That is a life choice that the woman makes and few women ever regret making it.

Among women who choose full time careers and can give full attention to them, I believe the statistics now show that women on average, especailly young women, are out earning the guys, they recieve better pay as part timers, and enjoy somewhat lower unemployment rates during this recession.

There will always be exceptions, both among women and men, but the anecdotal anomaly is not a war on women.

I worked for privately held firm, owned by a woman, where it was well known that pay and bonuses for the professional women in our office were higher than for men of more experience. So what ??? When someone griped, they were told (by the men) that they could quit. We were not underpaid in our opinion and benefitted from many other perks. Our owner was very generous with paternity leave.

This whole argument has been going on for decades. There was a time when it was clearly the case women were getting shafted. My mother was a prime example. But even she overcame and eventually got out from under such discrimination (she went to work for another woman).

 

[Rinata]

Republicans have waged a war on just about every group they have no empathy for:

Women
Minorities
The poor
The middle class
College students
Teachers
Police
Fireman
Elderly

If I think of anymore, I'll post it.