The Right wants to keep this country the way it is and hate change. They live in the 19th century

[easyt65]

Obama's plan to help blacks out of poverty was NOT to help them get jobs by creating any jobs program while he was President - resulting in black unemployment being ALMOST TWICE THAT OF WHITES. No, his plan was to set a new record for the most number of Americans on FOOD STAMPS.

Independence VS Dependence. Libs try to deter the former while pushing the latter.

 

[imawhosure]

Democrats aren't responsible for the rich getting richer? Are you fuckin serious?
BTW, shit like letting men take a dump by little girls was done a millennia ago. That is regressive.
Hack boi

Why do they want to keep it this way, simple this is how the perceive this country, Right now the controllers of the regressive party are more then happy, they have achieved what they wanted. All the new wealth of this country in the last 30+ years has gone to the top top tier, while at the same time putting the middle class and poor deeper and deeper in dept to guess who. It's to a point now that people are feeding their families with credit card debt.
I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.
How is this done, tax policy. What did they expect would happen when The worst president in our History Reagan, gave us the trickle down lie. How about changing the upper tier tax level from 72 to 28% what did they think was going to happen. This , what is happening now, is what they thought was going to happen ,a trickle up economy that moves every increased wealth of this country to the top. Thats what Reagan wanted and he has achieved that.

Blame REAGAN! Blame Buuuuuush!


So much uneducated nonsense creamed with hard left talking points in this post. Please try again.

Importing the world's poor and expanding poverty is not doing this country any good. It's destructive.

It's called "making crime pay"

And it's never a good policy

Dude, my own best interest IS a LAW ABIDING SOCIETY!

Are you nuts?

Back up your bullshit("It's called "making crime pay"), It has nothing to do with you at all does it. Stupid remark.

^^^^ Speaking of bullshit


If your house was broken into by a complete stranger, should you be compelled to allow him to stay, feed him, educate his children and eventually make him part of your family?


Are you seriously that stupid?

So this is what happened and it has nothing to do with your bullshit you are sending back , this is the sequence first comment from who cares "Importing the world's poor and expanding poverty is not doing this country any good. It's destructive.

It's called "making crime pay"" That last bullshit is yours , I said it is just bullshit and asked you to back it up, you can't so your trying to move the conversation to something that has nothing to do with the bullshit that you wrote , so back up your bullshit or go away.

I backed it up with an example of something you claim to be good, but you ran from?

So answer it or admit you're a troll.

If a stranger breaks into your home, do you have him removed or do you feed him, give him healthcare, educate his children and make him one of your family?

Come on genius, answer

It ain't that tough.

Why in the hell would I answer that when it has nothing to do with the thread and you changed the subject because I told you to support your bullshit, Breaking into people house has nothing to do with the distribution of wealth by Reagan trickle down lie, you goofball, I asked you to back up your bullshit and you come back with this nonsense.[/QUOTE]

So here. This lefty loon wants to complain about Reagan. I guess, his main problem is that Reagan cut taxes.

So, let us look at what the government says in constant 2009 dollars, what happened after Reagan cut taxes. Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

So now, let our lefty Loon explain with the tax cuts, WHY did money into the treasury rise so dramatically in constant 2009 dollars, adjusted for inflation. Does that mean because of the policies MORE people became rich and had to pay MORE taxes? Since every persons tax rate dropped, the only conclusion is-------->all were making MORE money, because if you want to claim that policy only gave MORE money to the rich, then ouch..............they sure had a large raise in taxes to get the revenue to rise by almost 50%.

Explain it loon-)

 

[OKTexas]

Why do they want to keep it this way, simple this is how the perceive this country, Right now the controllers of the regressive party are more then happy, they have achieved what they wanted. All the new wealth of this country in the last 30+ years has gone to the top top tier, while at the same time putting the middle class and poor deeper and deeper in dept to guess who. It's to a point now that people are feeding their families with credit card debt.
I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.
How is this done, tax policy. What did they expect would happen when The worst president in our History Reagan, gave us the trickle down lie. How about changing the upper tier tax level from 72 to 28% what did they think was going to happen. This , what is happening now, is what they thought was going to happen ,a trickle up economy that moves every increased wealth of this country to the top. Thats what Reagan wanted and he has achieved that.

If you can't get ahead, you're just a loser. Get off your ass and learn a trade. No one is stealing your money.

I'm still working at a business I started 45 years ago and I'm 70 years old, I have made half my money in my lifetime in the stock market and admittedly I hardly ever had to work my tail off to get what I needed , I did well enough to create a few jobs and make people happy other then myself. What you have is non stop total nonsense bull shit but your in good company because that is the only way your hate party could even exist.

So this was bullshit on your part, got it:

I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Why do they want to keep it this way, simple this is how the perceive this country, Right now the controllers of the regressive party are more then happy, they have achieved what they wanted. All the new wealth of this country in the last 30+ years has gone to the top top tier, while at the same time putting the middle class and poor deeper and deeper in dept to guess who. It's to a point now that people are feeding their families with credit card debt.
I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.
How is this done, tax policy. What did they expect would happen when The worst president in our History Reagan, gave us the trickle down lie. How about changing the upper tier tax level from 72 to 28% what did they think was going to happen. This , what is happening now, is what they thought was going to happen ,a trickle up economy that moves every increased wealth of this country to the top. Thats what Reagan wanted and he has achieved that.

If you can't get ahead, you're just a loser. Get off your ass and learn a trade. No one is stealing your money.

I'm still working at a business I started 45 years ago and I'm 70 years old, I have made half my money in my lifetime in the stock market and admittedly I hardly ever had to work my tail off to get what I needed , I did well enough to create a few jobs and make people happy other then myself. What you have is non stop total nonsense bull shit but your in good company because that is the only way your hate party could even exist.

So this was bullshit on your part, got it:

I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.

He's so full of shit the stench i coming across the screen

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm still working at a business I started 45 years ago and I'm 70 years old, I have made half my money in my lifetime in the stock market and admittedly I hardly ever had to work my tail off to get what I needed , I did well enough to create a few jobs and make people happy other then myself. What you have is non stop total nonsense bull shit but your in good company because that is the only way your hate party could even exist.

Why is it all these anti-capitalist liberals on here all seem to have the same kind of story as you? I don't think I've ever seen a regular blue collar Democrat on USMB. All the liberals here are doing financially great, retired, have their own business, or work from the comfort of their home. Strange how that is.....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I'm still working at a business I started 45 years ago and I'm 70 years old, I have made half my money in my lifetime in the stock market and admittedly I hardly ever had to work my tail off to get what I needed , I did well enough to create a few jobs and make people happy other then myself. What you have is non stop total nonsense bull shit but your in good company because that is the only way your hate party could even exist.

Why is it all these anti-capitalist liberals on here all seem to have the same kind of story as you? I don't think I've ever seen a regular blue collar Democrat on USMB. All the liberals here are doing financially great, retired, have their own business, or work from the comfort of their home. Strange how that is.....

They're full of it I promise you. I've never met a well to do person who advocates having the government take their money and redistribute it.

Most of them probably haven't changed their jammies in a week.

 

[Correll]

I'm still working at a business I started 45 years ago and I'm 70 years old, I have made half my money in my lifetime in the stock market and admittedly I hardly ever had to work my tail off to get what I needed , I did well enough to create a few jobs and make people happy other then myself. What you have is non stop total nonsense bull shit but your in good company because that is the only way your hate party could even exist.

Why is it all these anti-capitalist liberals on here all seem to have the same kind of story as you? I don't think I've ever seen a regular blue collar Democrat on USMB. All the liberals here are doing financially great, retired, have their own business, or work from the comfort of their home. Strange how that is.....

Could be that regular blue collar democrats quickly realize that they are held in contempt by their "fellow" democrats.

And leave.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Getting rich is not a reality no matter how great your work ethic. Unless you have money already, the odds of getting ahead one iota is not very good. Join the rest of the working class....paycheck to paycheck...its your fault. So they say. No candidate is going to make it an ounce better. Labor is looked upon as bad by corporate standards. But at least we have some freedom to drink a few cold beerson the weekend.

So how do you suppose wealthy people became wealthy? Just sitting home talking on their Obama phone? Living on food stamps? Going to work and living check to check?

Look at what we Americans consider necessities today: cell phones with internet service, cable or satellite television, newer automobile, video games galore, internet service in your home, fast food, pay-per-view or NetFlix. We spend our money on so much crap its' unbelievable.

Unless you're putting lottery winnings in the mix, money just doesn't pop in your wallet and wealth is not given to certain people. If you really focus on wealth from young on, you too can eventually become wealthy. But you have to work hard and sacrifice a lot of things in life. It has to be an obsession.

If you take one penny and double it, you now have two pennies. Do that 23 more times, and you are a millionaire.

Well thats a simple answer and you answered it , they get enough from mommy and daddy so that in 23 times of doubling that amount the are a billionaire. The only research I've seen on this are polls that are asking the wealthy if they are self made men and women. They say they did it all on their own almost always. Trump being a prime example, if he would have retired the day he got a bucket of money from daddy and invested it in a simple standard and poors stock fund , he would have more money then he has now, Don't come back with the jobs he created, his money invested would have created as many jobs and he wouldn't have stolen by bankruptcy (How many is it now) Putting good companies in the gutter.

Well here's a Wall Street Journal article of a "study" on how the wealthy became wealthy, and they didn't inherit it.

The Decline of Inherited Money

Your comment reminds me of when I was a child. I was in the car with my father and we were going somewhere and had to drive through the projects here in Cleveland. I turned to my father and said "Gee, I wish I had a million dollars!" Of course, back in the early 60's that was a lot of money. My father asked me why?

I told him I would like to give a million dollars to those people so they could afford to move out of there. My father just smiled and said "Son, you could give each and every one of these people a million dollars, and within a few years, they would be right back here again."

That was my first lesson in wealth. Not everybody has the ability to handle money. In fact books were written about lottery winners who's lives turned to hell because of their fortunes. I've seen companies close up because the owner died or retired, and gave his offspring the company. They ran it into the ground.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Could be that regular blue collar democrats quickly realize that they are held in contempt by their "fellow" democrats.

And leave.

Now that was deplorable!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They're full of it I promise you. I've never met a well to do person who advocates having the government take their money and redistribute it.

Most of them probably haven't changed their jammies in a week.

That's my point. If these Democrats were doing so well, why would they preach about the government taking even more from them? If they really are who they say they are, they've paid so much in taxes it should make their head spin.

It is entertaining though. Kind of like a guy coming on USMB claiming they are in the mob, but thinks our government should do more to prevent crime.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ok goody, right now I'm going to show you people how stupid you are, This clown has no clue what a communist, socialist or Marxist is. Ok Einstein Go to google ,google a trusted encyclopedia get the main tenets of Communism bring that back and tell us all why by those tenets how I'm a communist or my party or the president is a communist.By the way bring the sight address with you You people have nothing but bullshit and this will prove it.

If that's so, why did the US Communist Party endorse your current President and Hillary as well?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do they want to keep it this way, simple this is how the perceive this country, Right now the controllers of the regressive party are more then happy, they have achieved what they wanted. All the new wealth of this country in the last 30+ years has gone to the top top tier, while at the same time putting the middle class and poor deeper and deeper in dept to guess who. It's to a point now that people are feeding their families with credit card debt.
I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.
How is this done, tax policy. What did they expect would happen when The worst president in our History Reagan, gave us the trickle down lie. How about changing the upper tier tax level from 72 to 28% what did they think was going to happen. This , what is happening now, is what they thought was going to happen ,a trickle up economy that moves every increased wealth of this country to the top. Thats what Reagan wanted and he has achieved that.

I actually just clicked on this to ask you a question: If Republicans "live in the 19th century", why would they want to "keep the country as it is"? I don't know if you've noticed, but it's actually the 21st century right now, so this title makes some sort of sense that . . . isn't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Simply answer one question in the last 35 years all new wealth has gone to the top of the wealth ladder. So what is it, they got smarter all of a sudden they worked harder all of a sudden , they invested better all of a sudden. Of course not, they got it with laws and tax laws . They didn't earn it, deserve it or need it.
Again you just saying what I said is wrong is bullshit and you know it, show us, hero, what that I said specifically is wrong. And support it . No Fox crap news or the fat guy, real facts. Your just another wacko bull shitter.

Let me ask you something: Let's say you and I lived on the same street. Once a week I sneak into your house and take $100.00 from your dresser drawer. After some time, I begin to feel guilty, so I then start only taking $75.00 a week. Does that mean I just gave you $25.00 a week????

If not, how do you consider government not taking more money is actually giving them money? They did earn it, they do deserve it, and it doesn't matter whether you think they need it or not. It's not yours to decide.

Now, how does money go to the top? Well.......if money is going to the top, somebody would have to be in charge of doing that, don't you think? And if so, who is in charge of giving money to the top? The answer: you are.

Not just you, but all of us here. Because we all transfer our money to the top. You're doing it right now by being on the internet. Do you know how many millions of dollars your provider is worth? Look down at your keyboard. How did you buy it? That's right, you transferred your money to the top to get that computer of yours. And guess what, you're going to transfer more money to the top the rest of this week.

Yes, you will stop by the gas station and purchase gasoline from those multi-billion dollar oil companies. Maybe you'll stop at McDonald's to transfer more money to those at the top. Thinking of ordering a movie from Netflix this week? That's right, more of your money going to the top again. And since I know you want to limit transferring more money to the top, I know you don't own a cell phone, because those cell phone providers are billionaires that you're giving your money to.

As the old saying goes, charity starts at home. So if you want to stop transferring wealth to the top, show us how it's done. Get rid of this internet service. Never buy another computer again. Call your satellite company and cancel cable television. Sell those X-Box games and get rid of all your game stations. Call the bus line (since you won't have the internet) and find out how you can avoid using your automobile. Get a bike too!

 

[Pop23]

Dude, my own best interest IS a LAW ABIDING SOCIETY!

Are you nuts?

Back up your bullshit("It's called "making crime pay"), It has nothing to do with you at all does it. Stupid remark.

^^^^ Speaking of bullshit


If your house was broken into by a complete stranger, should you be compelled to allow him to stay, feed him, educate his children and eventually make him part of your family?


Are you seriously that stupid?

So this is what happened and it has nothing to do with your bullshit you are sending back , this is the sequence first comment from who cares "Importing the world's poor and expanding poverty is not doing this country any good. It's destructive.

It's called "making crime pay"" That last bullshit is yours , I said it is just bullshit and asked you to back it up, you can't so your trying to move the conversation to something that has nothing to do with the bullshit that you wrote , so back up your bullshit or go away.

I backed it up with an example of something you claim to be good, but you ran from?

So answer it or admit you're a troll.

If a stranger breaks into your home, do you have him removed or do you feed him, give him healthcare, educate his children and make him one of your family?

Come on genius, answer

It ain't that tough.

Why in the hell would I answer that when it has nothing to do with the thread and you changed the subject because I told you to support your bullshit, Breaking into people house has nothing to do with the distribution of wealth by Reagan trickle down lie, you goofball, I asked you to back up your bullshit and you come back with this nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Come on pussy, you challenged my contention that allowing criminal activity to benefit the criminal as never a good thing.

Now you run from the debate?

Typical pussy tactics.

 

[sealybobo]

Importing the world's poor and expanding poverty is not doing this country any good. It's destructive.

But it's what built this country.

But I agree with you. My way we would only import who we want. Doctors and scientists and people with money.

The only ones who want all the poor people are corporations. Supply and demand. They'll tell us "we" need the help. I don't.

Not quite right, every study I have looked at and the facts say that Immigrants have always been a net gain for this country and to prove their study, they created the richest country in the world , didn't they.

It's always good for business to have a huge pool of poor immigrants willing to work harder for less.

And we need more workers to buy more stuff and pay taxes to pay for social security.

Think about how great cheap labor is for capitalism. A person making minimum wage works 40 hours a week and after all their bills they have nothing left over. They put the money right back into the economy

 

[JBond]

Why do they want to keep it this way, simple this is how the perceive this country, Right now the controllers of the regressive party are more then happy, they have achieved what they wanted. All the new wealth of this country in the last 30+ years has gone to the top top tier, while at the same time putting the middle class and poor deeper and deeper in dept to guess who. It's to a point now that people are feeding their families with credit card debt.
I'll remind you people that capitalism can't exist without the promise of advancement, the ability to get ahead. That is the promise of this country. Without it we will implode from the inside.
How is this done, tax policy. What did they expect would happen when The worst president in our History Reagan, gave us the trickle down lie. How about changing the upper tier tax level from 72 to 28% what did they think was going to happen. This , what is happening now, is what they thought was going to happen ,a trickle up economy that moves every increased wealth of this country to the top. Thats what Reagan wanted and he has achieved that.

Blah, blah, blah... the middle class shrunk because they moved to the upper class. Your propaganda is ridiculous.

 

[Onyx]

We're not talking about immigrants. We're talking about hose that come here illegally, don't assimilate and ship their money back home. They don't pay taxes and clog up our ER's. They do not and have not made this country great in any way, shape or form.

Assimilation is shit. I thought this was suppose to be a country that valued individualism, but it seems like individualism is overrated nowadays.

You know, America was colonized the same way. A melting pot of religions that shipped over as indentured servants, and their meager contract pay was sent back to their families in Europe.

Now taxation is one thing, but it is irrelevant in my eyes since forced taxation is inherently immoral.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives want the Gilded Age back...

laissez faire capitalism, almost no environmental laws, or labor laws, or food/product safety laws, little or no workplace safety regulation, legal discrimination in hiring, no minimum wage, little or power for unions.

That's for starters.

 

[Correll]

Importing the world's poor and expanding poverty is not doing this country any good. It's destructive.

But it's what built this country.

But I agree with you. My way we would only import who we want. Doctors and scientists and people with money.

The only ones who want all the poor people are corporations. Supply and demand. They'll tell us "we" need the help. I don't.

Not quite right, every study I have looked at and the facts say that Immigrants have always been a net gain for this country and to prove their study, they created the richest country in the world , didn't they.

It's always good for business to have a huge pool of poor immigrants willing to work harder for less.

And we need more workers to buy more stuff and pay taxes to pay for social security.

Think about how great cheap labor is for capitalism. A person making minimum wage works 40 hours a week and after all their bills they have nothing left over. They put the money right back into the economy

Cheap immigrant labor is only good for Capitalism in the context of a long standing "free trade" policy that puts American manufacturers and businesses in direct competition with factories that pay Third World Labor rates.

 

[Correll]

Conservatives want the Gilded Age back...

laissez faire capitalism, almost no environmental laws, or labor laws, or food/product safety laws, no minimum wage, little or power for labor.

That's for starters.

The status quo is all about that. Import Cheap foreign labor to here, and move what you can overseas to where there are even LOWER wages and no environmental laws, or labor laws, or safety laws.



Trump's challenge to "Free Trade" Ideology is the only challenge to that on the horizon.