The San Francisco BOS Declares The NRA a "Domestic Terrorist Group"

[2aguy]

We are also a population of 325 million people. Also since half of our deaths are suicides and people do use guns for that reason, or course we are going to have more deaths. Only a liberal would think that suicide victims choosing another way of dying is a success of some sort.

Well, yeah, it would be, because you have a better chance of surviving other methods of suicide.

The reality- we have 15,000 gun homicides, and only half of those are committed by minorities. So even if you factor out minorities for whatever racist reasons you think that's a good idea, we still have 7000 gun homicides committed by white folks.

While the UK has about 50.

And Japan has about 10

damn - you just cherry pick don't you?

how about we just compare violence with violence? the lefts fascination with just having a different form of violence amazes me. how about we focus on why people are so angry these days as a way to lessen the # of violent acts?

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.

There are about 250,000 Gun Control Laws and cities like Chicago and Baltimore are more dangerous to live in than Afghanistan.

And most illegal guns in Chicago come from out of state.

That is a lie......you obviously haven't seen the research or likely have and are lying....60% of crime guns in Chicago are from in state...you doofus....

And explain how it is that Houston, with gun stores on every corner, guns on more citizens than Chicago....and bordering the narco state of Mexico, has a lower gun murder rate than Chicago? Again, access to guns in Houston is far easier, yet their gun crime and murder rate is lower than chicago...you doofus...

The problem in Chicago? The democrats there keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out on Bond, and out of prison on short sentences even for repeat felony gun offenses....

CWB Chicago: Man fatally shot one victim, wounded another while free on recognizance bond and electronic monitoring, prosecutors say

It’s been 18 months since Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart warned that he was “alarmed” by the number of accused gun offenders who were being released on their own recognizance, sometimes with electronic monitoring.

“This needs to get fixed quick,” Dart told the Sun-Times in Feb. 2018.

It hasn’t been fixed.

Yesterday, 18-year-old Antwane Lashley was in bond court, accused of shooting a man to death on Aug. 23. Prosecutors say he also shot and seriously wounded a woman at the same time. Lashley has been free on his own recognizance with electronic monitoring since prosecutors charged him with possessing a handgun illegally this spring.

Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle wasted no time criticizing Dart’s concerns last year.

“I believe it is our responsibility to keep these matters in context and not contribute to sensationalizing them,” Preckwinkle told Dart in a letter days later.

As recently as Friday, Preckwinkle called concerns about people committing violent crimes while free on affordable bail, a “fear tactic.” She has also defended easy bail conditions for gun possession. Some people who live in less-safe neighborhoods feel the need to carry guns for their own protection, she says.

A gun, freedom, then a murder
Around 7:30 p.m. on May 20th, cops in Humboldt Park saw Antwane Lashley walking quickly on the 3800 block of West Chicago. He saw police nearby and began running, holding his right pocket as he fled, a police spokesperson said last night.

Lashley took a handgun out of his pocket, threw it, and kept running, the spokesperson said. Officers caught him nearby while other cops retrieved the gun he allegedly threw.

Prosecutors charged Lashley with felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. He appeared in court the next afternoon and was set free on his own recognizance with an order to go onto electronic monitoring, according to court records.

Then, last Friday, Neal Sumrell and a woman were sitting in a car on the 4200 block of West Iowa in Humboldt Park. Around 8:15 p.m., someone walked up to their vehicle and opened fire. Sumrell, 34, was shot seven times in the upper body. He died. The woman tried to run away, police said. She was shot three times throughout her body, but managed to survive.

Lashley—on juvenile probation for aggravated battery causing great bodily harm—was arrested at his home Thursday evening, just one block from the murder scene. Police say he’s the gunman who killed Sumrell and injured the 28-year-old woman who tried to run away.

Prosecutors yesterday charged Lashley with first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, and aggravated battery by discharging a firearm. Judge Mary Marubio ordered him held without bail.

“Victims deserve better,” said Anthony Guglielmi, the police department’s chief communications officer early Sunday. “We are going to continue to be the voice for those who have been silenced by gun violence.”

Not the first
Lashley is hardly the first person to be accused of killing or trying to kill someone while free on the county's affordable bail program. Among similar cases reported by CWBChicago:

In May 2018, Daryl Williams was charged with fatally shooting a man in the back of the head. He was free on a recognizance bond at the time while awaiting trial for allegedly possessing a stolen firearm the previous November.

In June of last year, Carnell Morris was charged with being an armed habitual criminal after police said they found a gun in his car. He posted a $1,000 bond. Six months later, while awaiting trial for the gun case, Morris was charged with attempted murder after he allegedly shot a 51-year-old man.

Just three months ago, repeat gun offender Antawan Smith was charged with murdering a 15-year-old. He was free on a $6,000 deposit bond while awaiting trial for allegedly being an armed habitual criminal.

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

From 2012 to 2014, more than 11,700 felony weapon charges were filed in Delaware, and in most cases, the weapon was a gun. Yet, 71 percent of those charges disappeared before trials began.

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Top cop laments violence as 66 shot, 5 fatally, over long Fourth of July weekend


Between last Wednesday and Friday, 42 people were charged with felony gun-related offenses, he said, but only 15 remain in custody.


That lack of accountability for gun offenders has damaged the Police Department’s relationship with the communities most beset by violence, Johnson said, making victims of crimes less likely to cooperate with officers.
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“It’s not about mass incarceration. It’s not about having quotas. But when somebody has a demonstrated track record of being a violent gun offender, that should say something to the judges who are making decisions about bail. They shouldn’t be out on the street,” Lightfoot said. “We can’t keep our communities safe if people just keep cycling through the system because what that says to them is, I can do whatever I want, I can carry whatever I want, I can shoot up a crowd and I’m going to be back on the street. How does that make sense? It doesn’t.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/07/criminal_justice_reform_comes_home_to_roost.html
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CWB Chicago: You Be The Judge: We give you the case details. You try to guess their bail amount.

McKay was sentenced to four years for robbery in 2008; two years for aggravated unlawful use of a weapon (firearm) in 2010; seven years for being a felon in possession of a weapon (firearm) in 2012; and three years for possession of fentanyl in 2016.
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For McKay, who has two gun convictions and a robbery conviction, Willis set bail at….$5,000. McKay will need to put down a 10% deposit of $500 to go free. Willis also ordered him to go on electronic monitoring if he is released.

Some details that Willis did not know:
• McKay’s 2008 robbery conviction involved an armed carjacking. Prosecutors reduced the charge to “ordinary” robbery as part of a plea deal.• In 2012, McKay’s second gun case also included allegations that he fired the weapon. Prosecutors dropped the weapon discharge count and seven other weapons charges in a plea deal.• The 2016 drug possession charge started as allegations of manufacture-delivery of fentanyl, but, again, prosecutors pleaded that down to possession.

Officials Address 'Vicious Cycle' Of I-Bond Violations After Violent Weekend

Many of the gun offenders arrested by Chicago police over the weekend walked out of jail on bond, without having to pay a dime.

As of Monday morning, 19 people had been arrested on gun-related charges. By Monday afternoon, 11 were back on the street, some with prior gun offenses.

“We know who a lot of these people are,” Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson said. “And how do we know that? Because we keep arresting them over and over and over and over and over again. And it’s just a vicious cycle.”

In a tweet Sunday night, a Chicago police spokesperson criticized the practice of letting gun offenders out on Individual Recognizance Bonds or “I-Bonds.”
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The tweet said, in part, “Letting gun offenders out on I-Bonds shows there is absolutely no repercussion for carrying illegal guns In Chicago.”
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In a statement, an office representative said since the beginning of this year, 72% of gun related cases received monetary bail or no bond.
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http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/05/man-connected-to-whitney-young-high.html

The man who is charged with driving the carjacked SUV of a Whitney Young High School teacher this week is on probation for possessing a handgun—a probation term that was cut in half just three weeks ago by a Cook County judge.

The CPD arrest report that documents the capture of Nicholas Williams on Tuesday says cops and federal agents found Williams “in possession” of a loaded 9-millimeter handgun with a defaced serial number. But, a source with knowledge of the case told CWBChicago tonight that the gun was “ditched” and weapons charges could not be approved.

The Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office did not immediately respond to an after-hours email seeking comment.

Court records show that in Aug. 2017 Williams was charged with felony unlawful use of a weapon for allegedly carrying a handgun in the front of his waistband during a traffic stop on the West Side. Police said in a report that the gun had been reported stolen one month earlier.

A grand jury returned a 12 felony count true bill against Williams. But the Cook County State’s Attorney dropped all charges on May 3, 2018.

Five months after that case was dropped, Williams was charged with a new set of eight weapons felonies for allegedly carrying a handgun in the front of his waistband while riding his bike on the West Side.

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Last month, Judge Maria Kuriakos-Ciesil sentenced Williams to two year’s probation, 30 hours of community service and 175 days time served in the case.

His attorneys asked for a reduced sentence and, on April 29th, Kuriakos-Ciesil granted the motion by reducing Williams’ punishment to one year of TASC probation and 30 hours of community service.

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14 year old shot two men, released without bond or home confinement...


Cook County, IL: 14-Year-Old Charged With Shooting Two, Freed Without Supervision - The Truth About Guns

Welcome to Cook County, Illinois, where crime often has no meaningful consequences. Between a State’s Attorney’s Office reluctant to file charges and judges who mollycoddles defendants, Chicagoland has become the modern Wild West.

Case in point: a 14-year-old who (reportedly) shot and tried to kill two in a nice uptown neighborhood was released by a judge Friday to his parent with no bond – not even electronic home monitoring.


The Cook County judge claims the police failed to bring this suspected would-be gang killer (pictured above, right) in front of a judge quickly enough. So the judge, in order to penalize the police, released the kid without conditions other than to report to court next week.

Of course, the judge is really only penalizing the community as the accused certainly missed his calling as a choir boy.

The police, on the other hand, said they had concerns about the young man’s safety. Police released images of the suspects to the media in an effort to identify them and the media published them.

The Chicago mainstream media refer to the accused as a “boy.” Even though this “boy”reportedly shot one man in the back, abdomen, buttocks and groin and the other in the head.
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16 year old shooter released on 10,000 bond.....Cuomo's Raise the age bill for family court let this shooter go free on bail...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44304/case-16-year-old-accused-shooting-bronx-street-hank-berrien

Bronx Supreme Court Justice John Collins made Garcia’s release contingent on either $10,000 bail or $25,000 bond, he made bail and he was freed. As The New York Post explains, “The law already guarantees that he can’t be held in a jail that also houses adults — and if convicted, his sentencing judge would have to take his age into account.”
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On Monday, prosecutor Daniel Defilippi indicated he would try to stop the case from being transferred to Family Court. Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis, referring to the case as a “prime example” of the problems with the Raise the Age bill, said, “One of the things we brought up during debate was how this encourages gang recruitment. Gangs can recruit young people to do dirty work because they won’t be treated the same when caught.
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Residents of the neighborhood acknowledged that the neighborhood has become a frightening place to live; one said, “We don’t go out. We don’t go to the park. I keep my kids in the house. We’re scared.” Another commented, “People don’t feel safe. People shooting in the street like that? No one is safe.” A third commented of the young girl, “She is lucky. Like an angel is watching over her because she was really close.”
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ACLU effect on gun murder in Chicago..
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...c-monitoring-sheriff-dart-20180222-story.html
Study: Chicago homicides spiked due to ACLU police decree

Cassell and Fowles have studied the spike of homicides in Chicago in 2016. Through multiple regression analysis and other tools, they conclude that an ACLU consent decree triggered a sharp reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department, which in turn caused homicides to spike. In other words, what Chicago police officers call the“ACLU effect” is real. That effect was more homicides and shootings.

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Detailed regression analysis of the homicide (and related shooting) data strongly supports what visual observation suggests. Using monthly data from 2012 through 2016, we are able to control for such factors as temperature, homicides in other parts of Illinois, 9-1-1 calls (as a measure of police-citizen cooperation), and arrests for various types of crimes.


Even controlling for these factors, our equations indicate that the steep decline in stop and frisks was strongly linked, at high levels of statistical significance, to the sharp increase in homicides (and other shooting crimes) in 2016.

Cassell and Fowles then searched for other possible factors that might be responsible for the Chicago homicide spike. None fit the data as well as the decline in stop and frisks.

Cassell and Fowles quantified the costs of the decline in stop and frisks in human and financial terms.


They found that, because of fewer stop and frisks in 2016, a conservative estimate is that approximately 236 additional homicides and 1115 additional shootings occurred during that year.


A reasonable estimate of the social costs associated with these additional homicides and shootings is about $1,500,000,000. And these costs are heavily concentrated in Chicago’s African-American and Hispanic communities.

 

[2aguy]

We are also a population of 325 million people. Also since half of our deaths are suicides and people do use guns for that reason, or course we are going to have more deaths. Only a liberal would think that suicide victims choosing another way of dying is a success of some sort.

Well, yeah, it would be, because you have a better chance of surviving other methods of suicide.

The reality- we have 15,000 gun homicides, and only half of those are committed by minorities. So even if you factor out minorities for whatever racist reasons you think that's a good idea, we still have 7000 gun homicides committed by white folks.

While the UK has about 50.

And Japan has about 10

damn - you just cherry pick don't you?

how about we just compare violence with violence? the lefts fascination with just having a different form of violence amazes me. how about we focus on why people are so angry these days as a way to lessen the # of violent acts?

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.

Thank you.....I will now steal this........thanks for the link....

 

[2aguy]

We are also a population of 325 million people. Also since half of our deaths are suicides and people do use guns for that reason, or course we are going to have more deaths. Only a liberal would think that suicide victims choosing another way of dying is a success of some sort.

Well, yeah, it would be, because you have a better chance of surviving other methods of suicide.

The reality- we have 15,000 gun homicides, and only half of those are committed by minorities. So even if you factor out minorities for whatever racist reasons you think that's a good idea, we still have 7000 gun homicides committed by white folks.

While the UK has about 50.

And Japan has about 10

damn - you just cherry pick don't you?

how about we just compare violence with violence? the lefts fascination with just having a different form of violence amazes me. how about we focus on why people are so angry these days as a way to lessen the # of violent acts?

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.

Wow....that is a great link.......that is really a gold mine right there....thanks for digging it up.....

And this from your link...... I keep telling the anti-gun, asshats....the culture of the criminal drives the violence, not normal people who own guns for self defense....

In the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.

Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.

The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.


Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.


And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.

So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.


And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.

And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Well actually no the national rifle association advocates nothing close to that

The NRA opposes background checks, red flag laws and any other common sense gun law that would keep guns out of the hands of crazies before they shoot something up.

The fact is however this nation started by people taking up arms against the government for laws they did not like therefore it is indeed an American tradition

Actually, you might be onto something there. The rich slave rapists didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes, and they got a bunch of dumb people to fight a war for them. Dumb people have been coming home in body bags ever since for wars that really don't benefit them personally.

Btw there will never be reparations and this society is not racist

This society is racist as all get out... but reparations probably won't happen.

Wrong.

Background checks exist and the NRA does not oppose them that is FACT

Red flag laws are not common sense they are in fact a violation of multiple constitutional rights and unacceptable that is a fact again.

You seem to forget that the American revolution started in Massachusetts which was a northern state where there were few slaves many of the men who fought were African Americans. You are full of shit. They were not dumb either. They were smarter than you as most veterans throughout our history were and are smarter than you.

There is no such thing as a fair share of taxes

This society is not racist and that is another fact. Everyone knows you are stupid and uneducated so you need to be taught some basic facts

Racism is a way of thinking and only a human brain can think of such concepts. Society has no brain or mind. Therefore it cannot be racist only individuals can be racist and few are

Now you have been corrected and schooled.

 

[JoeB131]

No...but you still fail to understand the issue. The culture of British criminals is different, for now, than the culture of American criminals, the same way the Yakuza are different from British criminals......

Criminals aren't the problem here, buddy.

The problem is the crazy kid who shoots up a theater or a school or a bar or a shopping center.

Or the loser who shoots his brother in law in a fight over who got the last sausage link.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The NRA opposes background checks, red flag laws and any other common sense gun law that would keep guns out of the hands of crazies before they shoot something up.

The NRA should oppose red flag laws; the kind that are being discussed in my state of Ohio.

Red flag laws are nothing but Thought Police which I'm sure you approve of. If we start punishing people or removing constitutional rights based on what we think people "might" do, it's the beginning of the end of our justice system and democracy.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong.

Background checks exist and the NRA does not oppose them that is FACT

Every time we have a mass shooting, we find out that the background checks missed these guys...

Red flag laws are not common sense they are in fact a violation of multiple constitutional rights and unacceptable that is a fact again.

If your friends, family or neighbors are scared enough of you that they are dropping a dime to the cops, then common sense says the cops should be able to do something about that.

You seem to forget that the American revolution started in Massachusetts which was a northern state where there were few slaves many of the men who fought were African Americans. You are full of shit. They were not dumb either. They were smarter than you as most veterans throughout our history were and are smarter than you.

They were mostly illiterate, dumb fucks who were happy to catch bullets for rich people...

Our "revolution" is nothing to be proud of... we established an apartheid slave nation.

This society is not racist and that is another fact.

buddy, now you are just in plain old denial. Of course this is a racist society.

You can see it in nearly any statistic of how blacks fare vs. white folks.

 

[JoeB131]

The NRA should oppose red flag laws; the kind that are being discussed in my state of Ohio.

Red flag laws are nothing but Thought Police which I'm sure you approve of. If we start punishing people or removing constitutional rights based on what we think people "might" do, it's the beginning of the end of our justice system and democracy.

again, if the people nearest and dearest to you are sufficiently frightened of you to drop a dime to the cops... we should realy take that seriously.

 

[Rustic]

I am not a member of The NRA. Though I may or may not own firearms, I have no intention of ever joining The NRA. Furthermore, I'm not particularly fond of Wayne LaPierre, though I can't really put a finger on why...

I fully support the 2nd Amendment...

All that being said, I have to think that, given all that is wrong within the City of San Francisco, the Board of Supervisors must have better things to do than pass idiotic, misinformed, and toothless resolutions that are full of blatant lies...

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a resolution on Tuesday declaring that the National Rifle Association is a domestic terrorist organization. The officials also urged other cities, states and the federal government to follow suit.


District 2 Supervisor Catherine Stefani wrote the resolution and shared her thoughts on the NRA with KTVU. "The NRA has it coming to them," she said. "And I will do everything I possibly can to call them out on what they are, which is a domestic terrorist organization..."

SF Board of Supervisors declare National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization

Treat yourselves to the "Comments", some may surprise you...

The Resolution:

https://sfgov.legistar.com/View.ash...amp;GUID=DF64490F-D8BC-4BF7-A43D-287F02BECCCA

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[Rustic]

I am not a member of The NRA. Though I may or may not own firearms, I have no intention of ever joining The NRA. Furthermore, I'm not particularly fond of Wayne LaPierre, though I can't really put a finger on why...

I fully support the 2nd Amendment...

All that being said, I have to think that, given all that is wrong within the City of San Francisco, the Board of Supervisors must have better things to do than pass idiotic, misinformed, and toothless resolutions that are full of blatant lies...

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a resolution on Tuesday declaring that the National Rifle Association is a domestic terrorist organization. The officials also urged other cities, states and the federal government to follow suit.


District 2 Supervisor Catherine Stefani wrote the resolution and shared her thoughts on the NRA with KTVU. "The NRA has it coming to them," she said. "And I will do everything I possibly can to call them out on what they are, which is a domestic terrorist organization..."

SF Board of Supervisors declare National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization

Treat yourselves to the "Comments", some may surprise you...

The Resolution:

https://sfgov.legistar.com/View.ash...amp;GUID=DF64490F-D8BC-4BF7-A43D-287F02BECCCA

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The NRA is the largest marketing concern for gun manufacturers.

Gun Owners of America | The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington

 

[Rustic]

Can we just give California back to Mexico already?

No doubt, crazy Cali needs to be given back to its mother

 

[Rustic]

California is a perfect example of why we DON'T want these very same people running our federal government. Because if there is anybody or anything that can be labeled for domestic terrorism, it's sanctuary cities.

Really? Who are these very same people? I didn't realize the San Francisco Board of Supervisors was running for president. Are you attempting to smear all liberals? That would be like me thinking all conservatives are mentally ill because some of them take the bible literally word for word. Would that be fair?

Now as far as the NRA goes. They aren't a domestic terrorist group. They are corrupt and they are nothing more than a lobbying firm for firearms manufactures who have cashed in a reputation built long before it's current leadership was in place to defend those gun makers bottom line.

Gun Owners of America | The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington

 

[Rustic]

I agree the NRA should be classified as a terrorist org. How do you guys like the Wayne Lapierre living off your money, but Lapierre sure sticks up for your God give right to own an assault weapon and large magazines.

God given right!! You want your God given right, joint the military!!

Lol
Says a loopy kunt
Gun Owners of America | The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington

 

[JoeB131]

That is a lie......you obviously haven't seen the research or likely have and are lying....60% of crime guns in Chicago are from in state...you doofus....

And explain how it is that Houston, with gun stores on every corner, guns on more citizens than Chicago....and bordering the narco state of Mexico, has a lower gun murder rate than Chicago? Again, access to guns in Houston is far easier, yet their gun crime and murder rate is lower than chicago...you doofus...

Not sure why you think namecalling is an argument.

The reason why gun violence in Chicago is so bad is because 1) The Federal Government busted up the major drug dealing gangs, and there are a lot of smaller gangs trying to fill in the power vaccuum, 2) The recent McDonald decision overturned the sensible gun laws Chicago had. and 3) The relationship between the police and the community is so awful due to the numerous shootings of unarmed civilians that no one cooperates with the police.

The police in Chicago have a 17% murder clearance rate..... but don't worry, they'll totally burn the midnight oil to prove that Jussie Smollet wasn't beaten up by MAGA hats..

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

Background checks exist and the NRA does not oppose them that is FACT

Every time we have a mass shooting, we find out that the background checks missed these guys...

Red flag laws are not common sense they are in fact a violation of multiple constitutional rights and unacceptable that is a fact again.

If your friends, family or neighbors are scared enough of you that they are dropping a dime to the cops, then common sense says the cops should be able to do something about that.

You seem to forget that the American revolution started in Massachusetts which was a northern state where there were few slaves many of the men who fought were African Americans. You are full of shit. They were not dumb either. They were smarter than you as most veterans throughout our history were and are smarter than you.

They were mostly illiterate, dumb fucks who were happy to catch bullets for rich people...

Our "revolution" is nothing to be proud of... we established an apartheid slave nation.

This society is not racist and that is another fact.

buddy, now you are just in plain old denial. Of course this is a racist society.

You can see it in nearly any statistic of how blacks fare vs. white folks.

Actually you are quite wrong and that is fact we have seen many of these shooters who have passed background checks

Red flag laws are not about people reporting violent crimes they are about reporting behavior which some one subjectively dislikes and such a system by definition will be abused. Such a system will also violate the presumption of innocence. For example we know you are a pathetic loser who is upset that he cannot get laid. So you can be reported and have your rights violated because someone dislikes such losers.

Such a system would be abominable

They were smarter than you and fought for a worthy cause. The rich people you hate so much were catching bullets along with the poor. Just because you lack the manhood to have ever served does not mean you should hate on those who do. And we all know you never did despite your stolen valor lies.

We established a nation which fought to end slavery

No we are not a racist society and that is fact as I have proven

Repeating that it is racist while ignoring facts proves only that you are an uneducated dunce.

You can demonstrate no stats or evidence to the contrary

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The NRA should oppose red flag laws; the kind that are being discussed in my state of Ohio.

Red flag laws are nothing but Thought Police which I'm sure you approve of. If we start punishing people or removing constitutional rights based on what we think people "might" do, it's the beginning of the end of our justice system and democracy.

again, if the people nearest and dearest to you are sufficiently frightened of you to drop a dime to the cops... we should realy take that seriously.

Sure.......take it seriously, but not disarm them when they broke no law.

Can you imagine how the Democrats would abuse such a law if we allowed one like that to pass? In their opinion, everybody would have mental instability in an attempt to disarm the public. Look at what DumBama tried to do before he left office. He created a law that if a person on Social Security was unable to make out their own bills, they were disallowed from buying a firearm.

Now how many old people were known to buy guns legally and kill people with them? What does being unable to make out your own bills have to do with shooting innocent people? Nothing. But DumBama didn't think many would make a big enough deal about it, and that would be one more group of people the commies disarmed.

Democrats have proven themselves not to be trusted under any condition. You don't give people like that any power. And that's why you don't open the door for them when it comes to gun legislation. They will simply abuse it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is a lie......you obviously haven't seen the research or likely have and are lying....60% of crime guns in Chicago are from in state...you doofus....

And explain how it is that Houston, with gun stores on every corner, guns on more citizens than Chicago....and bordering the narco state of Mexico, has a lower gun murder rate than Chicago? Again, access to guns in Houston is far easier, yet their gun crime and murder rate is lower than chicago...you doofus...

Not sure why you think namecalling is an argument.

The reason why gun violence in Chicago is so bad is because 1) The Federal Government busted up the major drug dealing gangs, and there are a lot of smaller gangs trying to fill in the power vaccuum, 2) The recent McDonald decision overturned the sensible gun laws Chicago had. and 3) The relationship between the police and the community is so awful due to the numerous shootings of unarmed civilians that no one cooperates with the police.

The police in Chicago have a 17% murder clearance rate..... but don't worry, they'll totally burn the midnight oil to prove that Jussie Smollet wasn't beaten up by MAGA hats..

If smollet had not faked that shit a few more murders might have been solved.

They have a high murder rate because they disarm citizens proving gun control is senseless and does not work

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

but don't worry, they'll totally burn the midnight oil to prove that Jussie Smollet wasn't beaten up by MAGA hats..

You mean just like the criminals that did the same to say he didn't do it? You know, sealing records that the public nor prosecutor could see?

 

[JoeB131]

Sure.......take it seriously, but not disarm them when they broke no law.

Can you imagine how the Democrats would abuse such a law if we allowed one like that to pass? In their opinion, everybody would have mental instability in an attempt to disarm the public. Look at what DumBama tried to do before he left office. He created a law that if a person on Social Security was unable to make out their own bills, they were disallowed from buying a firearm.

Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. If you can't handle your own financial affairs, I certainly don't want you having a gun.

If smollet had not faked that shit a few more murders might have been solved.

They have a high murder rate because they disarm citizens proving gun control is senseless and does not work

No, we have a high murder rate because our cops are kind of awful. The people don't trust or respect them.

They got rid of our gun control laws back in 2010, and the murder rate spiked after that.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean just like the criminals that did the same to say he didn't do it? You know, sealing records that the public nor prosecutor could see?

Okay, trying to decipher what you are babbling about.

The prosecutor was the one who sealed the record, not the cops. She shouldn't have, because it made her look like she was trying to hide something.

The thing was, the cops were all hot to get this guy, but the prosecutor realized, "Meh, do we really want to prosecute a dumb prank and have a celebrity trial? We can't convict celebrities when they kill people, you think they are going to convict over a prank?"