Ghost of a Rider
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You keep contradicting yourself. You just got through saying you already knew the answer to my question. Why would you need clarification?I answered your first question then I ignored the second deflecting question. Cant you read?Who's "they"? Whites? So no whites endeavor to stop racism?
You're absolutely right, most of my questions can be answered by anyone with a rudimentary grasp of the english languge. But you would be surprised how often they are dodged and not answered.
A lot of my questions are designed to get my debate opponent to look at other aspects of an issue through the filter of their own biases and inconsistencies. IM2 contended that the professor who said "I now hate white people" was not necessarily racist. So I asked if he would feel the same way if the guy had said "I now hate black people". You know and I know and IM2 knows goddamned well that if he had said that, he would be called racist on the spot by both of you. After all, the both of you have called me racist for much less than that.
Yes "they" are whites. See here how I purposely ignore your deflecting question designed to float the "good white person" dynamic?
You answered the question and then say you purposely ignored it. WTF?
We are talking about whites as a race. Spare me the juvenile attempt to change the subject.
You always talk about whites as a race. That is precisely the problem and why I'm here.
Your questions are nothing to dodge. They just show you have bad reading comprehension. I dont waste time answering questions you should already know the answer to by reading my statement.
I did know the answer to the question. The idea was to get you to realize that you are painting white people, as a race, as weaker mentally and morally which is exactly what whites used to say about blacks a hundred years ago.
Unfortunately your design lacks any substance that would necessitate me using a different filter.
Okay, keep your biases.
I agree with IM2. Out of context you have no real knowledge of what he meant by that statement. The best bet would be to be in the room so you can observe his body language, contextual clues and past history to determine what he meant. I disagree. I dont call people racist unless I know the context of their comments. I learned long ago that sentences taken out of context typically are designed to elicit a specific response.
If you couldn't be bothered to go and read the original post for context then don't lecture me about context and hand me that puke about being in the same room. It was right fucking there for you to read.
If I called you a racist its because you are and have proven it to me. Dont get bent out of shape over it. Lots of people are racist.
Nothing has been proven to you, it is simply your opinion, nothing more. Besides, what you think of me is none of my business.
"Deflecting"? You're the one who said that whites don't try and stop racism. I'm just asking for clarification as to whether you mean all whites or some whites.
I think you are the one who deflected by not answering. If you had said "Yes, no whites endeavor to stop racism", you know you would be full of shit and everyone would see that. To say otherwise would have required you to crawfish and qualify your remarks. And we can't have that now, can we?
Of course I talk about whites as a race. You being here isnt going to alter that.
First of all, why would I think my being here would alter that? Secondly, if my being here altered that, you wouldn't do it and I would not be confronting you about it.
If you knew the answer to the question why ask a dumb question instead of just answering the question put to you?
First of all, I went back through our entire conversation and found only three questions asked by you:
"How fucking stupid are you?"
"What kind of stupid question is that?
and
"Doesnt it bother you that your ancestors and your current fellow racists feel you need a head start?"
The first two were obviously rhetorical and I answered the last one. So what question are you referring to?
Secondly, my question was what is called a r-h-e-t-o-r-i-c-a-l question. Surely you're familiar with the concept, given your artful mastery of the craft with questions like "How fucking stupid are you?"
Who told you I wasnt going to keep my biases?
No one. But if you're not going to give up yours then don't give me any shit for my white biases and defending the white race from your biased "Whites are the weaker race" and other such nonsense.
Dont get angry. Get a better argument. You cant get context just by reading a quote. What kind of fool thinks thats true? You have to understand the context. In my case I go even further before making a determination.
How could you go any further than me in analyzing context when you were looking at the same words and context I was?
I disagree. You have proven yourself to be a racist if I have called you a racist. See my above statement. There are a lot of criteria you have to meet in order for me to label you a racist. When I do there is no argument or discussion needed. You are a racist.
Oh Jesus, I think I just threw up a little.
You have proven yourself to be full of shit if I have called you full of shit.There are a lot of criteria you have to meet in order for me to label you full of shit. When I do there is no argument or discussion needed. You are full of shit.
"I did know the answer to the question."
Clarification for you. I knew the answer and I knew you wouldn't. I know you meant all whites and the point was to get you to see that.
I cant deflect from something you brought up that I never mentioned. You brought up the deflection. I just refused to be deflected.
Whether or not you brought it up or I did is irrelevant, you refused to answer a question.
Obviously you think you matter. If you didnt why would you say that you were here to address what you see as a problem?
What? I fail to see your line of reasoning here. If you didn't think you mattered then you wouldn't be here addressing what you see as a problem either. So what's your point?
"You always talk about whites as a race. That is precisely the problem and why I'm here".
I'm not here so much because you talk about the white race, I'm here because, as I said, you always talk about the white race.
You and IM2 seem to think that white racism is the answer or explanation for any and every race issue.
"A black guy spit on you? What did you do to him? Doesn't matter, he's angry about white racism."
"Oh, you didn't mistreat him? Well, uh, he's angry about white racism."
"Rwandans massacred each other? Chalk that one up to white racism."
"They raped little girls? Chalk that one up to white racism too."
"The Tutsis agreed with the laws that oppressed the Hutus and participated in their enforcement and practice just like whites did in America? White racism.
"A black guy assassinated police officers? White racism."
"A black guy assaults a cop and gets shot trying to take his gun from him? What racism."
"A black man...white racism."
"A black woman...white racism."
"...white racism."
"...white racism."
"...white racism."
ad infinitum.
If your question was just rhetorical you should state that so everyone knows its rhetorical.
What difference does that make if you were never going to answer it in the first place?
I'm definitely going to give you shit about your opinions that are wrong. Thats what I do here.
Obviously you think you matter...
Who said I could go any further than you in understanding the context?
"In my case, I go even further..."
I am pointing out your criteria is terribly inadequate and mine is more comprehensive. You only saw the same words as did I. To come to the conclusion that he was being racist is foolish. You simply need more context. Your ignorance in this regard has been highlighted by your question.
Let me ask you: Did you even read the guy's post? I'm betting you did not. If you did not read the entire quote for context as I did then fuck off with your pseudo-grammarian bullshit.
Here is the professor's facebook post in its entirety:
"OK, officially, I now hate white people. I am white people, for God’s sake, but can we keep them -- us -- us out of my neighborhood? I just went to Harlem Shake on 124 and Lenox for a Classic burger to go, that would be my dinner, and the place is overrun by little Caucasian assholes (talking about white children here) who know their parents will approve of anything they do. Slide around the floor, you little shithead, sing loudly, you unlikely moron. Do what you want, nobody here is gonna restrict your right to be white. I hereby resign from my race. Fuck these people. Yeah, I know, it’s about my access to dinner. Fuck you, too.”
He faced an investigation from the university and facebook removed the post for violating their standards on hate speech. So you tell me.