The "social contract" that doesn't exist

[JoeB131]

The actual case was a lot more comlicated.

Initially, all the poor woman wanted was for McDonalds to cover her hospital bills.

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In short, the Corporate Assholes and people like Rottweiler who worship at their feet call this a case of "Tort Abuse", but the fact was, McDonald's was negligent.

She's the only one to blame for spilling coffee on her genitals, so why should McDonald's pay anything?

BP - you have to realize two important things about this tool:

1. He doesn't believe the person is responsible for anything. Not their actions. Not their inaction. Not their crimes. Nothing. Society is responsible for it all (and by society, that means "someone else is responsible for me"). Of course, the tool is too stupid to realize that society is not some magical, mystical entity but in fact just a whole bunch of individuals. And if the individual bares no responsibility for even themselves, then they can't possibly bare responsibility for Joe and his fellow parasites. Sadly, he's just too fuck'n "simple" to grasp even something this basic.
   
   
2. He hates weakly and/or successful people and wants to punish corporations 24x7 - even for things they had nothing to do with. He believes in communism and "sharing" the wealth (even though - like all greedy communists - he's already admitted he won't share his wealth and help anybody who is destitute).

Poodle, sweetie, I think that individual responsibility is fine and all...

But most sensible people realize that when you buy coffee, it should not be so hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes in contact with skin.

And here was the thing. A jury agreed with her.

Now you can whine about Communism all day, but McDonald's WAS negligent.

 

[P@triot]

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How fuck'n hilarious is it that JoeB actually and truly believes that the government "cares" about him? Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Harry Reid are each rolling in tens of millions of dollars made by scamming tools like JoeB here while he works two jobs and worships them as he complains about wealthy people in the private sector. Obama has a dozen chefs prepare him lobster and filet mignon every night as Joe peels open his can of spam while thinking that Obama "cares" about him and that if he just trades a little more power and control to Obama, Obama will bring him into the "inner circle"

What a complete fuck'n tool...

Guy, I don't work two jobs because of the government.

I work two jobs because my insurance company ripped me off.

And seriously, fuck rich people. Just because you are a tool begging for a few scraps off their plate, I don't really care.

Let me know when you evolve above high school debating skills.

He's too stupid to even realize he begs for a few awful government table scraps while those of us in the private sector beg for nothing. We make agreements (I accept this job for this salary, I select this policy for this price, etc.) and we enjoy our freedom. Meanwhile, government taxes 50% of Joe's factory salary and he thinks corporations are to blame for his pitiful paycheck

 

[P@triot]

She's the only one to blame for spilling coffee on her genitals, so why should McDonald's pay anything?

BP - you have to realize two important things about this tool:

1. He doesn't believe the person is responsible for anything. Not their actions. Not their inaction. Not their crimes. Nothing. Society is responsible for it all (and by society, that means "someone else is responsible for me"). Of course, the tool is too stupid to realize that society is not some magical, mystical entity but in fact just a whole bunch of individuals. And if the individual bares no responsibility for even themselves, then they can't possibly bare responsibility for Joe and his fellow parasites. Sadly, he's just too fuck'n "simple" to grasp even something this basic.
   
2. He hates weakly and/or successful people and wants to punish corporations 24x7 - even for things they had nothing to do with. He believes in communism and "sharing" the wealth (even though - like all greedy communists - he's already admitted he won't share his wealth and help anybody who is destitute).

Poodle, sweetie, I think that individual responsibility is fine and all...

But most sensible people realize that when you buy coffee, it should not be so hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes in contact with skin.

And here was the thing. A jury agreed with her.

Now you can whine about Communism all day, but McDonald's WAS negligent.

But...but....coffee was never intended to come in contact with the skin. It's designed to stay in the cup until it's ingested. And the senses can feel the steam, heat, etc. and gauge whether or not it's too hot for ingesting as it is brought close to the mouth.

Thank you for proving once again that you do not believe in personal responsibility.

 

[JoeB131]

That's the way McDonald's customers like it, and they had a warning printed on each and every cup. Knives are dangerous. Do you think some fool who cuts himself with a knife should be entitled to damages for cutting his finger off with a sharp knife?

Did they? Did McDonald's take a survey and say, "Hey, do you folks want your coffee so hot that it will melt your skin if applied?"

And do you have a picture of this "warning" that was published? (My guess is they did publish warnings, AFTER Mrs. Leibeck took them for a shitload of money.)

Again- got to love Conservatives and their slavish devotion to being abused by Corporations.

It's kind of like Stockholm Syndrome without the machine guns.

Oh yeah, we're so "abused" because McDonald's serves us hot coffee when we ask them for it.

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Did someone say, " I want coffee So hot that it burns my skin if I spill it on myself?"

I'm reasonably sure most people don't say that.

https://www.ttla.com/index.cfm?pg=McDonaldsCoffeeCaseFacts

•By corporate specifications, McDonald's sells its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit;
•Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns (the skin is burned away down to the muscle/fatty-tissue layer) in two to seven seconds;
•Third-degree burns do not heal without skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability of the victim for many months, and in some cases, years
•The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and bio-mechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert on burns, the editor in chief of the leading scholarly publication in the specialty, the Journal of Burn Care and Rehabilitation;
•McDonald's admitted that it has known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years -- the risk was brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits, to no avail;
•From 1982 to 1992, McDonald's coffee burned more than 700 people, many receiving severe burns to the genital area, perineum, inner thighs, and buttocks;
•Not only men and women, but also children and infants, have been burned by McDonald's scalding hot coffee, in some instances due to inadvertent spillage by McDonald's employees;
•At least one woman had coffee dropped in her lap through the service window, causing third-degree burns to her inner thighs and other sensitive areas, which resulted in disability for years;
•Witnesses for McDonald's admitted in court that consumers are unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald's required temperature;
•McDonald's admitted that it did not warn customers of the nature and extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did not;
•McDonald's witnesses testified that it did not intend to turn down the heat -- As one witness put it: “No, there is no current plan to change the procedure that we're using in that regard right now;”
•McDonald's admitted that its coffee is “not fit for consumption” when sold because it causes severe scalds if spilled or drunk;

 

[JoeB131]

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He's too stupid to even realize he begs for a few awful government table scraps while those of us in the private sector beg for nothing. We make agreements (I accept this job for this salary, I select this policy for this price, etc.) and we enjoy our freedom. Meanwhile, government taxes 50% of Joe's factory salary and he thinks corporations are to blame for his pitiful paycheck

Actually, government taxes nowhere near 50% for most of us. And I like clean water and police protection and all the things we get from government.

But seriously, guy, you keep reading Fortune and the rest of the Plutocracy Porn and keep wishing some day you'll get there...

because you won't. But you can always dream.

 

[P@triot]

She's the only one to blame for spilling coffee on her genitals, so why should McDonald's pay anything?

BP - you have to realize two important things about this tool:

1. He doesn't believe the person is responsible for anything. Not their actions. Not their inaction. Not their crimes. Nothing. Society is responsible for it all (and by society, that means "someone else is responsible for me"). Of course, the tool is too stupid to realize that society is not some magical, mystical entity but in fact just a whole bunch of individuals. And if the individual bares no responsibility for even themselves, then they can't possibly bare responsibility for Joe and his fellow parasites. Sadly, he's just too fuck'n "simple" to grasp even something this basic.
   
   
2. He hates weakly and/or successful people and wants to punish corporations 24x7 - even for things they had nothing to do with. He believes in communism and "sharing" the wealth (even though - like all greedy communists - he's already admitted he won't share his wealth and help anybody who is destitute).

Poodle, sweetie, I think that individual responsibility is fine and all...

But most sensible people realize that when you buy coffee, it should not be so hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes in contact with skin.

And here was the thing. A jury agreed with her.

Now you can whine about Communism all day, but McDonald's WAS negligent.

A jury also agreed with OJ Simpson. A jury also agreed with John Gotti on a dozen seperate occassions. Weren't you just crying about Al Capone like a little bitch? Well, a jury agreed with him on about a dozen different occasions as well.

(Aren't you just the fuck'n idiot now?)

 

[JoeB131]

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But...but....coffee was never intended to come in contact with the skin. It's designed to stay in the cup until it's ingested. And the senses can feel the steam, heat, etc. and gauge whether or not it's too hot for ingesting as it is brought close to the mouth.

Thank you for proving once again that you do not believe in personal responsibility.

So tell me, if you buy a hamburger and get E. Coli, do you say, "Well, I should have expected that, because it was made of meat that might be contaminated."

No, guy. We should have a REASONABLE expectation when we buy something, that it is safe.

 

[JoeB131]

BP - you have to realize two important things about this tool:

1. He doesn't believe the person is responsible for anything. Not their actions. Not their inaction. Not their crimes. Nothing. Society is responsible for it all (and by society, that means "someone else is responsible for me"). Of course, the tool is too stupid to realize that society is not some magical, mystical entity but in fact just a whole bunch of individuals. And if the individual bares no responsibility for even themselves, then they can't possibly bare responsibility for Joe and his fellow parasites. Sadly, he's just too fuck'n "simple" to grasp even something this basic.
   
   
2. He hates weakly and/or successful people and wants to punish corporations 24x7 - even for things they had nothing to do with. He believes in communism and "sharing" the wealth (even though - like all greedy communists - he's already admitted he won't share his wealth and help anybody who is destitute).

Poodle, sweetie, I think that individual responsibility is fine and all...

But most sensible people realize that when you buy coffee, it should not be so hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes in contact with skin.

And here was the thing. A jury agreed with her.

Now you can whine about Communism all day, but McDonald's WAS negligent.

A jury also agreed with OJ Simpson. A jury also agreed with John Gotti on a dozen seperate occassions. Weren't you just crying about Al Capone like a little bitch? Well, a jury agreed with him on about a dozen different occasions as well.

(Aren't you just the fuck'n idiot now?)

Actually, Al Capone was only brought to trial once and found guilty. So that doesn't fly. You need to learn your history, dude.

A jury didn't agree with Simpson, it just rejected what the cops were saying because the cops lied. Fuhrman insisted up and down he didn't use the N-word, and they caught him on tape... using the N-word. Oh, yeah. And the gloves didnt' fit.

Now, getting back to Ms. Leibeck... what exactly is your logic here? That she should have known that the coffee was so hot that it would cause third degree burns if she spilled it on herself? Really?

 

[Redfish]

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He's too stupid to even realize he begs for a few awful government table scraps while those of us in the private sector beg for nothing. We make agreements (I accept this job for this salary, I select this policy for this price, etc.) and we enjoy our freedom. Meanwhile, government taxes 50% of Joe's factory salary and he thinks corporations are to blame for his pitiful paycheck

Actually, government taxes nowhere near 50% for most of us. And I like clean water and police protection and all the things we get from government.

But seriously, guy, you keep reading Fortune and the rest of the Plutocracy Porn and keep wishing some day you'll get there...

because you won't. But you can always dream.

your water and police do not come from the federal govt. neither does most infrastructure, electricity, gas, food, fire protection, or shelter.

We all like those things, but we don't need the federal govt fucking them up.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

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But...but....coffee was never intended to come in contact with the skin. It's designed to stay in the cup until it's ingested. And the senses can feel the steam, heat, etc. and gauge whether or not it's too hot for ingesting as it is brought close to the mouth.

Thank you for proving once again that you do not believe in personal responsibility.

So tell me, if you buy a hamburger and get E. Coli, do you say, "Well, I should have expected that, because it was made of meat that might be contaminated."

No, guy. We should have a REASONABLE expectation when we buy something, that it is safe.

Heat is not a disease.

The coffee wasn't contaminated with a food borne malady, it was only hot, which is a REASONABLE expectation.

 

[P@triot]

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He's too stupid to even realize he begs for a few awful government table scraps while those of us in the private sector beg for nothing. We make agreements (I accept this job for this salary, I select this policy for this price, etc.) and we enjoy our freedom. Meanwhile, government taxes 50% of Joe's factory salary and he thinks corporations are to blame for his pitiful paycheck

Actually, government taxes nowhere near 50% for most of us. And I like clean water and police protection and all the things we get from government.

But seriously, guy, you keep reading Fortune and the rest of the Plutocracy Porn and keep wishing some day you'll get there...

because you won't. But you can always dream.

Spoken like a true loser Joe. And you wonder why you work two factory jobs for minimum wage while the federal government takes over 50% of what you earn?

First of all stupid, you're so fuck'n dumb you don't even realize that taxes extend far beyond your hourly wage chief. Do you put gas in your car? Well there is a gas tax stupid. Do you own property? Well there is a property tax stupid. Do you have a cell phone? Well there are a host of taxes and government regulations fees. Do you buy anything at a store stupid? Well there are sales taxes, stupid.

You're blind devotion to government table scraps has caused you to miss a few things, uh stupid? I was being generous because I know you're a lazy, unemployable person. I personally lose over 60% of my income to taxes. I guarantee you are losing at least 50% of your earns to government theft - even if you're too stupid to realize it.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

 

[bripat9643]

Guy, can't you go five minutes without misquoting or mischaracterizing what people say?

Any grown up who says "Communism" is an adult political debate has forfeited the right to be taken seriously.

Conservatives can't win elections now because people are finally wise to them. Unless, of course, they cheat like they did in 2000.

Exactly Joe! Which is why nobody takes you seriously. You're a fuck'n joke and a self-admitted communist who no regrets admitting it for the reason you just cited above.

Guy, you are arguing like a ten year old who's been told to share his toys.

Adults don't share their toys, moron, especially not because some asshole tells them to.

 

[JoeB131]

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He's too stupid to even realize he begs for a few awful government table scraps while those of us in the private sector beg for nothing. We make agreements (I accept this job for this salary, I select this policy for this price, etc.) and we enjoy our freedom. Meanwhile, government taxes 50% of Joe's factory salary and he thinks corporations are to blame for his pitiful paycheck

Actually, government taxes nowhere near 50% for most of us. And I like clean water and police protection and all the things we get from government.

But seriously, guy, you keep reading Fortune and the rest of the Plutocracy Porn and keep wishing some day you'll get there...

because you won't. But you can always dream.

your water and police do not come from the federal govt. neither does most infrastructure, electricity, gas, food, fire protection, or shelter.

We all like those things, but we don't need the federal govt fucking them up.

I don't know, I like National Parks.

I like the interstate highway system.

I like knowing that when I'm too old to work anymore, I'll have social security and medicare.

I like having a well-trained national military that protects this country.

Frankly, if you wingnuts hate government so much, you can all move to Somalia.

No government, no laws, everyone has a gun and they all have crazy religion.

Off course, too many darkies there for your tastes, but you'll learn to cope.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly Joe! Which is why nobody takes you seriously. You're a fuck'n joke and a self-admitted communist who no regrets admitting it for the reason you just cited above.

Guy, you are arguing like a ten year old who's been told to share his toys.

Adults don't share their toys, moron, especially not because some asshole tells them to.

Adults- decent ones at least, do look out for each other.

Conservatism has become one big argument for selfishness.

 

[JoeB131]

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But...but....coffee was never intended to come in contact with the skin. It's designed to stay in the cup until it's ingested. And the senses can feel the steam, heat, etc. and gauge whether or not it's too hot for ingesting as it is brought close to the mouth.

Thank you for proving once again that you do not believe in personal responsibility.

So tell me, if you buy a hamburger and get E. Coli, do you say, "Well, I should have expected that, because it was made of meat that might be contaminated."

No, guy. We should have a REASONABLE expectation when we buy something, that it is safe.

Heat is not a disease.

The coffee wasn't contaminated with a food borne malady, it was only hot, which is a REASONABLE expectation.

Hot is a reasonable expectation.

So hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes into contact with human skin is not.

 

[bripat9643]

Guy, you are arguing like a ten year old who's been told to share his toys.

Adults don't share their toys, moron, especially not because some asshole tells them to.

Adults- decent ones at least, do look out for each other.

Conservatism has become one big argument for selfishness.

So you let your neighbor drive your car whenever he wants to? Do you pay his medical bills? Do you bring him chicken soup when he has a cold?

. . . . . . . .

I didn't think so.

Apparently you don't lift a finger to help your neighbors. You're all talk. but we already knew that.

 

[JoeB131]

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He's too stupid to even realize he begs for a few awful government table scraps while those of us in the private sector beg for nothing. We make agreements (I accept this job for this salary, I select this policy for this price, etc.) and we enjoy our freedom. Meanwhile, government taxes 50% of Joe's factory salary and he thinks corporations are to blame for his pitiful paycheck

Actually, government taxes nowhere near 50% for most of us. And I like clean water and police protection and all the things we get from government.

But seriously, guy, you keep reading Fortune and the rest of the Plutocracy Porn and keep wishing some day you'll get there...

because you won't. But you can always dream.

Spoken like a true loser Joe. And you wonder why you work two factory jobs for minimum wage while the federal government takes over 50% of what you earn?

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Most of those taxes don't apply to me... or most people.

Incidently, I work in an office, not a factory. Highly certified expert in my field.

I mean, I suspect that you are about 25 and haven't moved out of the house yet, otherwise you wouldnt' say such stupid things.

At least Templar is honest enough to admit what he is.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

So tell me, if you buy a hamburger and get E. Coli, do you say, "Well, I should have expected that, because it was made of meat that might be contaminated."

No, guy. We should have a REASONABLE expectation when we buy something, that it is safe.

Heat is not a disease.

The coffee wasn't contaminated with a food borne malady, it was only hot, which is a REASONABLE expectation.

Hot is a reasonable expectation.

So hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes into contact with human skin is not.

Wow. Scalding water causes burns to skin. Who knew?

And it is likely the clothing that the woman was wearing that trapped the heat of that liquid, to the point that her skin was burned to the extent that it was. Where was the lawsuit against the clothing manufacturers?

 

[JoeB131]

Adults don't share their toys, moron, especially not because some asshole tells them to.

Adults- decent ones at least, do look out for each other.

Conservatism has become one big argument for selfishness.

So you let your neighbor drive your car whenever he wants to? Do you pay his medical bills? Do you bring him chicken soup when he has a cold?

. . . . . . . .

I didn't think so.

Apparently you don't lift a finger to help your neighbors. You're all talk. but we already knew that.

Actually, I do all sorts of nice things for my neighbors... Probably to a fault. But that's not the argument we are having here, is it.

The thing is, you guys on the right don't want to live in Somalia. You want government to take care of your interests and protect your property and rights. You just don't want them looking out for the other guy.

If you want to argue with me that the governmetn subsidizes too much bad behavior, I'd probably agree with you. Our priorities on social welfare programs are all wrong.

But the thing about you guys is you really don't want these people being helped at all. It's the kind of mean-spiritedness that's infected the GOP like a disease.

 

[JoeB131]

Heat is not a disease.

The coffee wasn't contaminated with a food borne malady, it was only hot, which is a REASONABLE expectation.

Hot is a reasonable expectation.

So hot that it causes third degree burns when it comes into contact with human skin is not.

Wow. Scalding water causes burns to skin. Who knew?

And it is likely the clothing that the woman was wearing that trapped the heat of that liquid, to the point that her skin was burned to the extent that it was. Where was the lawsuit against the clothing manufacturers?

Wow, you guys really invest yourselves in excusing corporations, don't you.

The clothing manufacturers are not the ones who continued to serve coffee at 180-190 degrees (Water boils at 212) after receiving 700 reports of burns.