The state's popular vote compact is dead

[Wyatt earp]

And they didn't think stupid liberals would allow illegal rapist killer Mexicans to vote either.

.

You're the guy that supports Gabbard, right?

So?

I am not a single issue voter like you

What? Single issue?

Socialized healthcare
No wall
pro gay rights (at least now she is)
pro choice
eliminate college tuition

Which of the many issues do you agree with Gabbard?

Again so what?

That you support a candidate that you have next to nothing that you agree upon? And you said I was a one issue voter (not sure where that came from).

Say what, next to nothing?

 

[HappyJoy]

Sure, bud. I love it when wingnuts describe using democracy to elect our president as "mob rule", it's not.

Maybe you missed the point of the thread, electors are not beholden to anybody, that's a problem for the EC. The OP somehow thought this is a blow to the popular vote compact, it's not but she's kind of an idiot.

Thing is we aren't a democracy

We are a representative democracy, like most other democracies are.

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

It was considered unconstitutional. But that was a state law numb nuts. Unless your point is that California is a democracy but the United States isn't then I'm not really sure why you brought it up.

So now your fucking admitting we are a constitutional republic..



Thanks for playing..


.

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

 

[HappyJoy]

You're the guy that supports Gabbard, right?

So?

I am not a single issue voter like you

What? Single issue?

Socialized healthcare
No wall
pro gay rights (at least now she is)
pro choice
eliminate college tuition

Which of the many issues do you agree with Gabbard?

Again so what?

That you support a candidate that you have next to nothing that you agree upon? And you said I was a one issue voter (not sure where that came from).

Say what, next to nothing?

Gabbard, other than foreign policy what do you agree with her on that you disagree with Trump?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why would I? Do you have some bizarre spin on why the 17th Amendment was passed? Was it commies behind it?

Why would I?

Because you didn't think the Senate chose the President?

Do you have some bizarre spin on why the 17th Amendment was passed?

The 17th let the EC choose the President instead of the Senate?

Here is what I think you meant to say,

"Actually the 'Founders' were a pretty elitist bunch; the state legislatures elected the Senate"

Nope., I meant exactly what I said; the Senators were the state political bosses; they controlled the electoral votes of the state as well as the Party machines. Until they finally began to be popularly elected, they controlled who got elected President; they had the most power and wealth, especially after the Civil War. The 17th stripped some of that power away from the Senate.

The 17th stripped some of that power away from the Senate.

The Senators were so powerful, they allowed the 17th Amendment to be ratified......WOW!

That's some real power.

lol I guess someone didn't know the States selected the Senators before the 17th amendment.

Where did you get that idea? From Todd's silly post? You must be as 'knowledgeable' as Todd, poor reading skills included.

You truly are ignorant
1913: The Constitution was amended (17th Amendment) to provide for direct popular election of senators , ending the system of election by individual state legislatures.
U.S. Senate: Senate Chronology

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Thing is we aren't a democracy

We are a representative democracy, like most other democracies are.

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

It was considered unconstitutional. But that was a state law numb nuts. Unless your point is that California is a democracy but the United States isn't then I'm not really sure why you brought it up.

So now your fucking admitting we are a constitutional republic..



Thanks for playing..


.

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

 

[HappyJoy]

We are a representative democracy, like most other democracies are.

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

It was considered unconstitutional. But that was a state law numb nuts. Unless your point is that California is a democracy but the United States isn't then I'm not really sure why you brought it up.

So now your fucking admitting we are a constitutional republic..



Thanks for playing..


.

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

It was considered unconstitutional. But that was a state law numb nuts. Unless your point is that California is a democracy but the United States isn't then I'm not really sure why you brought it up.

So now your fucking admitting we are a constitutional republic..



Thanks for playing..


.

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

 

[HappyJoy]

It was considered unconstitutional. But that was a state law numb nuts. Unless your point is that California is a democracy but the United States isn't then I'm not really sure why you brought it up.

So now your fucking admitting we are a constitutional republic..



Thanks for playing..


.

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

What is a "conscious of 2/3rds"? Whatever you're talking about I don't think you'll find the definition of a Republic saying anything like that.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So now your fucking admitting we are a constitutional republic..



Thanks for playing..


.

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

What is a "conscious of 2/3rds"? Whatever you're talking about I don't think you'll find the definition of a Republic saying anything like that.

conscious was a misspelled word should have been a consensus of 2/3rds of Congress for new laws and amending the Constitution and ratification by 2/3rds of the states for amending the Constitution. A democracy cannot exist within a Republic.

 

[Coyote]

Completely agree, if electors are not bound to something remotely resembling the will of the people then why have it at all?

The will of which people? The people in the district represented by an elector? Or the people of a state, regardless of the will of those in a particular district? This newest plot to force mob rule on all others would appear to subvert the will of people in specific districts in favor of those in other districts. The EC was designed specifically to prevent mob rule. It was a good idea then, it's an even better idea now.

Sure, bud. I love it when wingnuts describe using democracy to elect our president as "mob rule", it's not.

Maybe you missed the point of the thread, electors are not beholden to anybody, that's a problem for the EC. The OP somehow thought this is a blow to the popular vote compact, it's not but she's kind of an idiot.

Thing is we aren't a democracy

We are a representative democracy, like most other democracies are.

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

Because voters don’t get to determine rights, the Constitution does.

 

[HappyJoy]

Of course we are a constitutional republic, we are also a representative democracy, not mutually exclusive.

Tell ya' what, you give me the definition of a representative democracy and then describe how we are not one.

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

What is a "conscious of 2/3rds"? Whatever you're talking about I don't think you'll find the definition of a Republic saying anything like that.

conscious was a misspelled word should have been a consensus of 2/3rds of Congress for new laws and amending the Constitution and ratification by 2/3rds of the states for amending the Constitution. A democracy cannot exist within a Republic.

Our Constitution does not require a 2/3rds majority to pass a simple bill, what are you smoking? Even if it did, that is not the definition of a Republic. Or a representative democracy which is also what we are. I provided you the definition, that definition even named a country as an example of a representative democracy. Do you remember what country that was? Think reeeeaaaaalllll hard.

 

[Picaro]

Why would I?

Because you didn't think the Senate chose the President?

Do you have some bizarre spin on why the 17th Amendment was passed?

The 17th let the EC choose the President instead of the Senate?

Here is what I think you meant to say,

"Actually the 'Founders' were a pretty elitist bunch; the state legislatures elected the Senate"

Nope., I meant exactly what I said; the Senators were the state political bosses; they controlled the electoral votes of the state as well as the Party machines. Until they finally began to be popularly elected, they controlled who got elected President; they had the most power and wealth, especially after the Civil War. The 17th stripped some of that power away from the Senate.

The 17th stripped some of that power away from the Senate.

The Senators were so powerful, they allowed the 17th Amendment to be ratified......WOW!

That's some real power.

lol I guess someone didn't know the States selected the Senators before the 17th amendment.

Where did you get that idea? From Todd's silly post? You must be as 'knowledgeable' as Todd, poor reading skills included.

You truly are ignorant
1913: The Constitution was amended (17th Amendment) to provide for direct popular election of senators , ending the system of election by individual state legislatures.
U.S. Senate: Senate Chronology

Yes, we established you can't read. I already brought up state legs electing Senators and the 17th Amendment, but you insist on compounding stupid with stupid. You and Todd should get married.

 

[Picaro]

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

What is a "conscious of 2/3rds"? Whatever you're talking about I don't think you'll find the definition of a Republic saying anything like that.

conscious was a misspelled word should have been a consensus of 2/3rds of Congress for new laws and amending the Constitution and ratification by 2/3rds of the states for amending the Constitution. A democracy cannot exist within a Republic.

Our Constitution does not require a 2/3rds majority to pass a simple bill, what are you smoking? Even if it did, that is not the definition of a Republic. Or a representative democracy which is also what we are. I provided you the definition, that definition even named a country as an example of a representative democracy. Do you remember what country that was? Think reeeeaaaaalllll hard.

You can't read any better than he can.

 

[HappyJoy]

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

What is a "conscious of 2/3rds"? Whatever you're talking about I don't think you'll find the definition of a Republic saying anything like that.

conscious was a misspelled word should have been a consensus of 2/3rds of Congress for new laws and amending the Constitution and ratification by 2/3rds of the states for amending the Constitution. A democracy cannot exist within a Republic.

Our Constitution does not require a 2/3rds majority to pass a simple bill, what are you smoking? Even if it did, that is not the definition of a Republic. Or a representative democracy which is also what we are. I provided you the definition, that definition even named a country as an example of a representative democracy. Do you remember what country that was? Think reeeeaaaaalllll hard.

You can't read any better than he can.

Neat, thanks for the non-contribution.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The will of which people? The people in the district represented by an elector? Or the people of a state, regardless of the will of those in a particular district? This newest plot to force mob rule on all others would appear to subvert the will of people in specific districts in favor of those in other districts. The EC was designed specifically to prevent mob rule. It was a good idea then, it's an even better idea now.

Sure, bud. I love it when wingnuts describe using democracy to elect our president as "mob rule", it's not.

Maybe you missed the point of the thread, electors are not beholden to anybody, that's a problem for the EC. The OP somehow thought this is a blow to the popular vote compact, it's not but she's kind of an idiot.

Thing is we aren't a democracy

We are a representative democracy, like most other democracies are.

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

Because voters don’t get to determine rights, the Constitution does.

You admit also, we are not a democracy

never was

Never will be


.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The will of which people? The people in the district represented by an elector? Or the people of a state, regardless of the will of those in a particular district? This newest plot to force mob rule on all others would appear to subvert the will of people in specific districts in favor of those in other districts. The EC was designed specifically to prevent mob rule. It was a good idea then, it's an even better idea now.

Sure, bud. I love it when wingnuts describe using democracy to elect our president as "mob rule", it's not.

Maybe you missed the point of the thread, electors are not beholden to anybody, that's a problem for the EC. The OP somehow thought this is a blow to the popular vote compact, it's not but she's kind of an idiot.

Thing is we aren't a democracy

We are a representative democracy, like most other democracies are.

Then why is gay marriage legal in California, when the voters said No?


We are a constitutional republic


.

Because voters don’t get to determine rights, the Constitution does.

So where is Marriage mentioned in the Constitution?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nope., I meant exactly what I said; the Senators were the state political bosses; they controlled the electoral votes of the state as well as the Party machines. Until they finally began to be popularly elected, they controlled who got elected President; they had the most power and wealth, especially after the Civil War. The 17th stripped some of that power away from the Senate.

The 17th stripped some of that power away from the Senate.

The Senators were so powerful, they allowed the 17th Amendment to be ratified......WOW!

That's some real power.

lol I guess someone didn't know the States selected the Senators before the 17th amendment.

Where did you get that idea? From Todd's silly post? You must be as 'knowledgeable' as Todd, poor reading skills included.

You truly are ignorant
1913: The Constitution was amended (17th Amendment) to provide for direct popular election of senators , ending the system of election by individual state legislatures.
U.S. Senate: Senate Chronology

Yes, we established you can't read. I already brought up state legs electing Senators and the 17th Amendment, but you insist on compounding stupid with stupid. You and Todd should get married.

You need to go take a remedial reading class the states before the ratification of the 17th amendment appointed Senators

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, you cannot have both a Republic and democracy within the same system of government. A democracy tramples the rights of the minority if 51% AGREE together A Republic protects the rights of the minority against the wishes of the majority.

So, you can't be bothered to look up the definition of a representative democracy? Ok, here you go, please let me know how this does not fit our system of government.

What is Representative Democracy? - Definition, Examples, Pros & Cons - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

How Is Representative Democracy Defined?
Simply put, a representative democracy is a system of government in which all eligible citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. A perfect example is the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress. We also elect local and state officials. All of these elected officials supposedly listen to the populace and do what's best for the nation, state or jurisdiction as a whole.

I know it's tricky, but you'll worm out of it somehow.

We are not a democracy it takes a simple majority in a democracy, In a Republic, it takes a conscious of 2/3rds to create laws or amend the Constitution

What is a "conscious of 2/3rds"? Whatever you're talking about I don't think you'll find the definition of a Republic saying anything like that.

conscious was a misspelled word should have been a consensus of 2/3rds of Congress for new laws and amending the Constitution and ratification by 2/3rds of the states for amending the Constitution. A democracy cannot exist within a Republic.

Our Constitution does not require a 2/3rds majority to pass a simple bill, what are you smoking? Even if it did, that is not the definition of a Republic. Or a representative democracy which is also what we are. I provided you the definition, that definition even named a country as an example of a representative democracy. Do you remember what country that was? Think reeeeaaaaalllll hard.

We are not a democracy America never has been one