The success of ObamaCare far outweighs the setbacks

[longknife]

ObamaCare a Success?

Read this and answer for yourself.

Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals

Obamacare has reportedly enrolled 7.1 million individuals since its exchanges opened in October. However, according to a recently released RAND report, just 1.4 million of those individuals were previously uninsured.

Read the article @ Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals | Washington Free Beacon

And we won't even talk about the many, many who've lost the policies they liked or had their premiums increased at unbelievable rates!

 

[The Rabbi]

You do realize that what you just quoted only proves my entire point that people were using the ER for healthcare "because it was free". No one said it was easier in your article. Going to the ER is not quick or easy. Your article clearly states that their decision to go to the ER was based upon finances. Nothing more.

So, if they were getting "free" insurance and could go to their own doctor and avoid the ER then certainly a good % of people would do that.

Once again you don't understand your own fucking article which actually supports my point. Thanks nutjob!

See, you've proven my point about your low intelligence. The article specifically says he provided free health insurance initially. But employees didnt use it, preferring the ER. So the cost had nothing to do with it.
You've proven yourself a moron, again. Without any help from me this time.
You're dismissed, until I need more comic material.

Holy fucking back pedal. The cost was the ONLY factor mentioned in the article you posted and now you're pretending that "cost had nothing to do with it". You even quoted the portion I'm talking about. Pretty amazing, even for you.

See, there you go again with that low intelligence thing.

I began providing my employees with health insurance as soon as I could afford it. Then, one day, I learned that an employee had gone to a hospital emergency room. I was concerned, but when I saw him the next day, he said he’d just had a cough and wanted it checked out. “But we give you health insurance,” I said.

“Nah,” he answered. “We don’t use that. We just go to the emergency room.”

I did some investigating and discovered that many of my employees weren’t using their health insurance. I thought maybe it was because they didn't help pay for it.

And you obviously lied about reading the article as well. You're a real piece of work, aren't you s0nny?

 

[Spoonman]

doesn't sound like a success to me

Obamacare Not Exactly a Home Run, According to Poll - MainStreet

 

[RDD_1210]

See, you've proven my point about your low intelligence. The article specifically says he provided free health insurance initially. But employees didnt use it, preferring the ER. So the cost had nothing to do with it.
You've proven yourself a moron, again. Without any help from me this time.
You're dismissed, until I need more comic material.

Holy fucking back pedal. The cost was the ONLY factor mentioned in the article you posted and now you're pretending that "cost had nothing to do with it". You even quoted the portion I'm talking about. Pretty amazing, even for you.

See, there you go again with that low intelligence thing.

I began providing my employees with health insurance as soon as I could afford it. Then, one day, I learned that an employee had gone to a hospital emergency room. I was concerned, but when I saw him the next day, he said he’d just had a cough and wanted it checked out. “But we give you health insurance,” I said.

“Nah,” he answered. “We don’t use that. We just go to the emergency room.”

I did some investigating and discovered that many of my employees weren’t using their health insurance. I thought maybe it was because they didn't help pay for it.

And you obviously lied about reading the article as well. You're a real piece of work, aren't you s0nny?

And which part of that proves any of your bullshit? Do you always just quote random text and pretend as if it supports your asinine statements? Don't answer, I already know the answer.

 

[The Rabbi]

Holy fucking back pedal. The cost was the ONLY factor mentioned in the article you posted and now you're pretending that "cost had nothing to do with it". You even quoted the portion I'm talking about. Pretty amazing, even for you.

See, there you go again with that low intelligence thing.

I began providing my employees with health insurance as soon as I could afford it. Then, one day, I learned that an employee had gone to a hospital emergency room. I was concerned, but when I saw him the next day, he said he’d just had a cough and wanted it checked out. “But we give you health insurance,” I said.

“Nah,” he answered. “We don’t use that. We just go to the emergency room.”

I did some investigating and discovered that many of my employees weren’t using their health insurance. I thought maybe it was because they didn't help pay for it.

And you obviously lied about reading the article as well. You're a real piece of work, aren't you s0nny?

And which part of that proves any of your bullshit? Do you always just quote random text and pretend as if it supports your asinine statements? Don't answer, I already know the answer.

Sorry you'll need to get a special ed teacher to help you out here.

 

[RDD_1210]

See, there you go again with that low intelligence thing.


And you obviously lied about reading the article as well. You're a real piece of work, aren't you s0nny?

And which part of that proves any of your bullshit? Do you always just quote random text and pretend as if it supports your asinine statements? Don't answer, I already know the answer.

Sorry you'll need to get a special ed teacher to help you out here.

And the punt is up! Look at the hangtime on that one!

 

[Jarlaxle]

At best Obamacare has been a wash or slightly better than one and the whole thing has not been fully implemented yet and won't be till 2016 so we won't know its full impact till Obama is on his way out the door which I suspect is by design.

They had to know it would implode, paving the way for single-payer...I just think that NOBODY expected it to do so this soon, or this spectacularly.

 

[The Rabbi]

And which part of that proves any of your bullshit? Do you always just quote random text and pretend as if it supports your asinine statements? Don't answer, I already know the answer.

Sorry you'll need to get a special ed teacher to help you out here.

And the punt is up! Look at the hangtime on that one!

It was pretty obvious. If you are too stupid to understand it, it isn't my fault. You punted before you ever started here.
My work with you is done. You've been pwned.

 

[The Rabbi]

At best Obamacare has been a wash or slightly better than one and the whole thing has not been fully implemented yet and won't be till 2016 so we won't know its full impact till Obama is on his way out the door which I suspect is by design.

They had to know it would implode, paving the way for single-payer...I just think that NOBODY expected it to do so this soon, or this spectacularly.

Never attribute to malice what can more easily be attributed to simple stupidity. It's hard to know whether they set it up to fail or were so incompetent they didnt know that. Or didnt care.
But amazingly you see the leftards here defending it and crowing about its successs.

 

[Flopper]

ObamaCare a Success?

Read this and answer for yourself.

Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals

Obamacare has reportedly enrolled 7.1 million individuals since its exchanges opened in October. However, according to a recently released RAND report, just 1.4 million of those individuals were previously uninsured.

Read the article @ Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals | Washington Free Beacon

And we won't even talk about the many, many who've lost the policies they liked or had their premiums increased at unbelievable rates!

In a recently released report by the CBO this month, they stated "the CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA. They also project that 19 million more people will be insured in 2015, 25 million more will be insured in 2016, and 26 million more will be insured each year from 2017 through 2024 than would have been the case without the ACA."

In addition the CBO projects, that the cost to government has been revised down by 104 billion over 10 years due to lower than expected premiums.


http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45231-ACA_Estimates.pdf

 

[oreo]

Have there been setbacks? Yes but the good far outweighs the bad. Republicans need to acknowledge this.

The long-awaited Rand Corp. study of Obamacare's effect on health insurance coverage was released Tuesday and confirmed the numbers that had been telegraphed for more than a week: At least 9.3 million more Americans have health insurance now than in September 2013, virtually all of them as a result of the law.

That's a net figure, accommodating all those who lost their individual health insurance because of cancellations. The Rand study confirms other surveys that placed the number of people who lost their old insurance and did not or could not replace it -- the focus of an enormous volume of anti-Obamacare rhetoric -- at less than 1 million. The Rand experts call this a "very small" number, less than 1% of the U.S. population age 18 to 64.

LA Times

Well of course there are more people that have insurance due to Obamacare. After all, who is NOT going to accept FREE health care? Under the expanded Medicaid program within Obamacare, millions have been enrolled--that aren't necessarily dirt poor. Others are getting their premiums subsidized. Who pays for it? Those working middle class Americans are paying for it-- through higher premiums.

These small business employees in blue State Pennsylvania don"t appear to be real happy about it either.



Here is a state by state premiums cost adjustment due to the Obamacare mandates of everyone--without exception, now having to pay and be covered for maternity, drug and alcohol abuse.

Of course democrats wisely postponed the employer mandate until after the mid-term election cycle--so if your premiums haven't gone up yet, that is the reason why. It is estimated that 69% of the employer based coverage will be cancelled once the mandate goes into effect. IOW--It's not if Obamacare will affect you, it's when.

Welcome to your hope and change!

 

[Flopper]

Have there been setbacks? Yes but the good far outweighs the bad. Republicans need to acknowledge this.

The long-awaited Rand Corp. study of Obamacare's effect on health insurance coverage was released Tuesday and confirmed the numbers that had been telegraphed for more than a week: At least 9.3 million more Americans have health insurance now than in September 2013, virtually all of them as a result of the law.

That's a net figure, accommodating all those who lost their individual health insurance because of cancellations. The Rand study confirms other surveys that placed the number of people who lost their old insurance and did not or could not replace it -- the focus of an enormous volume of anti-Obamacare rhetoric -- at less than 1 million. The Rand experts call this a "very small" number, less than 1% of the U.S. population age 18 to 64.

LA Times

Well of course there are more people that have insurance due to Obamacare. After all, who is NOT going to accept FREE health care? Under the expanded Medicaid program within Obamacare, millions have been enrolled--that aren't necessarily dirt poor. Others are getting their premiums subsidized. Who pays for it? Those working middle class Americans are paying for it-- through higher premiums.

These small business employees in blue State Pennsylvania don"t appear to be real happy about it either.



Here is a state by state premiums cost adjustment due to the Obamacare mandates of everyone--without exception, now having to pay and be covered for maternity, drug and alcohol abuse.

Of course democrats wisely postponed the employer mandate until after the mid-term election cycle--so if your premiums haven't gone up yet, that is the reason why. It is estimated that 69% of the employer based coverage will be cancelled once the mandate goes into effect. IOW--It's not if Obamacare will affect you, it's when.

Welcome to your hope and change!

What this chart does not show is how much the cost of health insurance has changed.

• It doesn't take into account the federal subsidy that 50 to 60% of those buying individual insurance will receive.
• It neglects the fact that the largest increases in premiums are in very rural areas where few plans are sold.
• Of the different types of plans, the largest percentage increases are in the least expenses plans where the percentage increase is high but the dollar amount of the increase is low.
• Lastly, it does not reflect the increased coverage in the plans and the free services included.

In effect, it presents a very misleading picture of the change in health insurance costs for most people.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Obamacare is nothing more than a marxist redistribution of wealth scheme.....gouging the higher income workers to provide free care for the lower-income workers....in the long run it will not really help the poor much because everything will just continue to decline as it has under socialist policies...Detroit city here we come...

since there are so many non-workers/poor with their hands out....the redistribution is going to cause lots of shortages in doctors and beds and lab tests and more....and will result in the rationing of healthcare....one only has to look at the British NHS or the Cuban system to see how gutted and disgusting socialized medicine really becomes...

nothing is 'free'......

Obamacare is not a 'success'.... unless you consider killing the imperfect but most advanced medical system in the world a 'success'...

Cuba has superb systems of health care....Jimmy Carter 2002

 

[The Rabbi]

ObamaCare a Success?

Read this and answer for yourself.

Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals

Obamacare has reportedly enrolled 7.1 million individuals since its exchanges opened in October. However, according to a recently released RAND report, just 1.4 million of those individuals were previously uninsured.

Read the article @ Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals | Washington Free Beacon

And we won't even talk about the many, many who've lost the policies they liked or had their premiums increased at unbelievable rates!

In a recently released report by the CBO this month, they stated "the CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA. They also project that 19 million more people will be insured in 2015, 25 million more will be insured in 2016, and 26 million more will be insured each year from 2017 through 2024 than would have been the case without the ACA."

In addition the CBO projects, that the cost to government has been revised down by 104 billion over 10 years due to lower than expected premiums.


http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45231-ACA_Estimates.pdf

Is this similar to the "jobs saved or created" meme? Since no one can say for certain even how many people have actually signed up and paid for health insurance, there is no way to tell even how many people actually have it, much less how many would have had it in the absence of Obamacare.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Liberals really think single payer will be even better than Obamacare....they look at Britain and want to have a National Healthcare System just like them....!

Julie Bailey of Britain shares her story of Britain's single payer NHS....it should make you feel tingly all over...

“Seven years ago, Mum and I were proud of the NHS,” she recounted. “So when we went into Mid Staffs [hospital], it was a huge shock to find what we did.”

A former social worker and lifelong liberal, Bailey lived in Stafford, a town 140 miles northwest of London, where she took care of her mother, Bella. In the fall of 2007, her mother was hospitalized at Stafford Hospital after a rough, sleepless night interrupted by coughing and retching.

Once in the hospital, Bailey was bullied by staff members and dismissed when she suggested her mother needed medication for a chest infection. One night, her mother was left lying in her own vomit, despite screaming for help. One doctor told Bailey that her mother would die a “painful death,” snapping his fingers for emphasis.

Her confidence shaken, Bailey took to sleeping on a hard plastic chair in the hospital to attend to her mother’s care. But spending more time in the hospital meant being exposed to the depth of its horrors. “What I saw was the abuse of vulnerable adults,” she said.

Bailey said she witnessed nurses leaving food out of reach of immobile patients who couldn’t feed themselves. Sometimes, nurses would come by to say they forgot the keys to the drug cabinet, meaning they couldn’t distribute medication to those in need of it. Patients who required assistance going to the bathroom were often forced to relieve themselves in their own beds. Desperate patients deprived of fluids resorted to drinking water out of the dirty flower vases in the hallway. “One of the worst things was walking down the corridor,” she recalled, “and it would just be, ‘Nurse! Nurse! Help! Help!’ ” More mobile patients would often wander around the hallways, confused, in a futile search for care.

…Even as she recounted the story six years later, she broke down in tears.

“It’s still something I don’t think I’ll ever get over,” she said. “Seeing that despair, I don’t think I will. So when I came out, I just knew I had to do something, because I had left these people behind.”

A Government Run Healthcare System Horror Story ? Death Panels Indeed? - The Ulsterman Report

 

[DiamondDave]

Have there been setbacks? Yes but the good far outweighs the bad. Republicans need to acknowledge this.



LA Times

Well of course there are more people that have insurance due to Obamacare. After all, who is NOT going to accept FREE health care? Under the expanded Medicaid program within Obamacare, millions have been enrolled--that aren't necessarily dirt poor. Others are getting their premiums subsidized. Who pays for it? Those working middle class Americans are paying for it-- through higher premiums.

These small business employees in blue State Pennsylvania don"t appear to be real happy about it either.



Here is a state by state premiums cost adjustment due to the Obamacare mandates of everyone--without exception, now having to pay and be covered for maternity, drug and alcohol abuse.

Of course democrats wisely postponed the employer mandate until after the mid-term election cycle--so if your premiums haven't gone up yet, that is the reason why. It is estimated that 69% of the employer based coverage will be cancelled once the mandate goes into effect. IOW--It's not if Obamacare will affect you, it's when.

Welcome to your hope and change!

What this chart does not show is how much the cost of health insurance has changed.

• It doesn't take into account the federal subsidy that 50 to 60% of those buying individual insurance will receive.
• It neglects the fact that the largest increases in premiums are in very rural areas where few plans are sold.
• Of the different types of plans, the largest percentage increases are in the least expenses plans where the percentage increase is high but the dollar amount of the increase is low.
• Lastly, it does not reflect the increased coverage in the plans and the free services included.

In effect, it presents a very misleading picture of the change in health insurance costs for most people.

Like those who have to fork out more in taxes for the subsidy??

Do not forget also that the deductibles are also higher...

The fact is that the majority of those who have signed up are receiving a subsidy or medicaid.. which is more of a burden, not something that is going to lessen the cost to the country... numbers of people being put into medicaid (the most idiotic program this country has for entitlement health) are being lumped in with the supposed 'payers' into Obamalamacare

This whole thing is a farce

 

[Flopper]

ObamaCare a Success?

Read this and answer for yourself.

Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals

Obamacare has reportedly enrolled 7.1 million individuals since its exchanges opened in October. However, according to a recently released RAND report, just 1.4 million of those individuals were previously uninsured.

Read the article @ Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals | Washington Free Beacon

And we won't even talk about the many, many who've lost the policies they liked or had their premiums increased at unbelievable rates!

In a recently released report by the CBO this month, they stated "the CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA. They also project that 19 million more people will be insured in 2015, 25 million more will be insured in 2016, and 26 million more will be insured each year from 2017 through 2024 than would have been the case without the ACA."

In addition the CBO projects, that the cost to government has been revised down by 104 billion over 10 years due to lower than expected premiums.


http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45231-ACA_Estimates.pdf

Is this similar to the "jobs saved or created" meme? Since no one can say for certain even how many people have actually signed up and paid for health insurance, there is no way to tell even how many people actually have it, much less how many would have had it in the absence of Obamacare.

It's pretty easy to tell whether a plan sold through the exchange is to someone that's uninsured because that's one of the questions they ask. Increases in Medicaid enrollment is pretty straight forward because it's reported the feds. New plans sold through insurers and brokers are an estimate.

Projections and estimates are always determined on the basis of the professional judgment of CBO’s staff, drawing upon on a detailed understanding of federal programs, careful reading of the research literature, and consultation with outside experts. The projections and assumptions are not directed or influenced by the Congress in any way.

 

[Flopper]

Well of course there are more people that have insurance due to Obamacare. After all, who is NOT going to accept FREE health care? Under the expanded Medicaid program within Obamacare, millions have been enrolled--that aren't necessarily dirt poor. Others are getting their premiums subsidized. Who pays for it? Those working middle class Americans are paying for it-- through higher premiums.

These small business employees in blue State Pennsylvania don"t appear to be real happy about it either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuA2_P-m4Sk

Here is a state by state premiums cost adjustment due to the Obamacare mandates of everyone--without exception, now having to pay and be covered for maternity, drug and alcohol abuse.

Of course democrats wisely postponed the employer mandate until after the mid-term election cycle--so if your premiums haven't gone up yet, that is the reason why. It is estimated that 69% of the employer based coverage will be cancelled once the mandate goes into effect. IOW--It's not if Obamacare will affect you, it's when.

Welcome to your hope and change!

What this chart does not show is how much the cost of health insurance has changed.

• It doesn't take into account the federal subsidy that 50 to 60% of those buying individual insurance will receive.
• It neglects the fact that the largest increases in premiums are in very rural areas where few plans are sold.
• Of the different types of plans, the largest percentage increases are in the least expenses plans where the percentage increase is high but the dollar amount of the increase is low.
• Lastly, it does not reflect the increased coverage in the plans and the free services included.

In effect, it presents a very misleading picture of the change in health insurance costs for most people.

Like those who have to fork out more in taxes for the subsidy??

Do not forget also that the deductibles are also higher...

The fact is that the majority of those who have signed up are receiving a subsidy or medicaid.. which is more of a burden, not something that is going to lessen the cost to the country... numbers of people being put into medicaid (the most idiotic program this country has for entitlement health) are being lumped in with the supposed 'payers' into Obamalamacare

This whole thing is a farce

Of course, providing insurance for those who don't have the funds to pay for it will increase government costs. That was a given from day one. The only real question was how it was to be done. If Obamacare had not been passed, the pressure for a government healthcare program would have continued to increase probably culminating in a single payer plan which conservatives would have hated just as much if not more than Obamacare..

 

[Politico]

ObamaCare a Success?

Read this and answer for yourself.

Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals

Obamacare has reportedly enrolled 7.1 million individuals since its exchanges opened in October. However, according to a recently released RAND report, just 1.4 million of those individuals were previously uninsured.

Read the article @ Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals | Washington Free Beacon

And we won't even talk about the many, many who've lost the policies they liked or had their premiums increased at unbelievable rates!

In a recently released report by the CBO this month, they stated "the CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA. They also project that 19 million more people will be insured in 2015, 25 million more will be insured in 2016, and 26 million more will be insured each year from 2017 through 2024 than would have been the case without the ACA."

In addition the CBO projects, that the cost to government has been revised down by 104 billion over 10 years due to lower than expected premiums.


http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45231-ACA_Estimates.pdf

Ok so they lie we all know that. Your point?

 

[Claudette]

ObamaCare a Success?

Read this and answer for yourself.

Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals

Obamacare has reportedly enrolled 7.1 million individuals since its exchanges opened in October. However, according to a recently released RAND report, just 1.4 million of those individuals were previously uninsured.

Read the article @ Obamacare Only Enrolled 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals | Washington Free Beacon

And we won't even talk about the many, many who've lost the policies they liked or had their premiums increased at unbelievable rates!

In a recently released report by the CBO this month, they stated "the CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA. They also project that 19 million more people will be insured in 2015, 25 million more will be insured in 2016, and 26 million more will be insured each year from 2017 through 2024 than would have been the case without the ACA."

In addition the CBO projects, that the cost to government has been revised down by 104 billion over 10 years due to lower than expected premiums.


http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45231-ACA_Estimates.pdf

Is this similar to the "jobs saved or created" meme? Since no one can say for certain even how many people have actually signed up and paid for health insurance, there is no way to tell even how many people actually have it, much less how many would have had it in the absence of Obamacare.

Yup and you can bet your ass loads of those "signing up" are being subsidized by we the taxpayer. They get it for free and we pay more. Such a deal.