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The three main goals of libertarianism
1) Decrease wages salaries and benefits for the poor and middle class as much as possible. Lower wages salaries and benefits for those who labor means those who own can profit more.
2) Decrease taxes on the wealthy as much as possible. No explanation needed.
3) Remove all regulations that make it harder for the wealthy to herd the poor like cattle - and remove all regulations that make it possible for a healthy middle class to exist. Regulation is the enemy of profit and profit is the only thing that matters.
That about sums it up!
The three main goals of libertarianism
1) Decrease wages salaries and benefits for the poor and middle class as much as possible. Lower wages salaries and benefits for those who labor means those who own can profit more.
2) Decrease taxes on the wealthy as much as possible. No explanation needed.
3) Remove all regulations that make it harder for the wealthy to herd the poor like cattle - and remove all regulations that make it possible for a healthy middle class to exist. Regulation is the enemy of profit and profit is the only thing that matters.
That about sums it up!
Actually, you may wish to look up the meaning of that word.
What you've described in your post is pretty much what the GOP wants, and it's not liberty, its more of a description of slavery.
Sorry.......................but I spent 20 years of my life defending this country, and I don't want to see some idiot corporation (that will never serve in a war zone) deciding what is good for my country or not.
If liberty is the ultimate form of political expression, then tell me this....................
Why is it easier for a rich man to influence the politicians than it is for the people who actually elected them?
I hope Boehener, McConnell and Cantor all lose their next elections............................
The ONE main goal of libertarianism: Sell out all of America to a small group of oligarchs.
Too bad you folks did a good job of selling us out to china and outsourcing tons of jobs overseas. Yes, Granny, our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Who in their right minds would want to set up shop here, and employ people when they would never be able to survive the pressure of our business environment?
The main goal of liberalism is to tax the rich out of existence, make everyone prosper the same, equality in everyone and everything. Forgive me, but you people sound more like a bunch of utiopianists. You have more to do with communism and socialism than you do with capitalism. It's written all over your party's platform.
Yanno.................in the 1950's and 1960's, there was enough money for everyone. One of the main perks of serving a company for 20 or 30 years was you got a gold watch and a pension when you hit those marks.
The military still gives a person a pension at 20 years. I know, because I'm living on one right now.
And......................I don't have to work for some corporation now, because I'm able to make it on my pension (and still have enough for a dinner out every now and again, as well as a vacation once a year).
BTW...................you want to know what is killing capitalism? It's not the communists or the socialists....................
It's the greed at the top in the form of CEO's and "corporate managers".
Libertarianism really doesnt have any goals, thats kind of the point
Oh man, not one of you got it right. We believe that liberty is the ultimate form of political expression. We believe in individual liberty, voluntary association and political freedom. We do not espouse the ideals of hating the rich or promoting them. We just want them to be allowed to be rich. See we believe it is the right of any person to to own their own property and make their own money, without the thing of government rigging the entire process. We want to limit government to the point where it is no longer coercive but cooperative with it's people. We would much rather have it work for us than us for it. We don't want to sell it out to anyone, we want it to do what it was originally designed to do, protect us from coercion and violent threats.
That's what the power elite who run the libertarian wing of the GOP tell you, indeed. They don't give a shit about any of it. Their only goal is to advance the agenda as outlined in the OP, and "individual liberty, voluntary association and political freedom" is whatever the fuck the Koch Bros. and their think tanks tell you it is. If they tell you "individual liberty" means not paying taxes - that's what it means. If they tell you "voluntary association" means prohibiting union shop agreements and allowing people to freeload off the backs of the unions - that's what it means. If they tell you "political freedom" means elections should go to the highest bidder - that's what it means.
OohPah is just launching a smear campaign on me and members of my party, with piddly liberal class warfare rhetoric. How lame. I cannot believe it, you guys are more scared of us than you are the Republicans. Go on, we won't be going anywhere. Our movement is growing, now more than ever since this government has gone completely out of control.
Your movement is a bunch of fucking whiny babies. You live in the freest nation there ever was yet all you do is constantly whine and moan that your freedoms are being impinged on. Its getting old.
The three main goals of libertarianism
1) Decrease wages salaries and benefits for the poor and middle class as much as possible. Lower wages salaries and benefits for those who labor means those who own can profit more.
2) Decrease taxes on the wealthy as much as possible. No explanation needed.
3) Remove all regulations that make it harder for the wealthy to herd the poor like cattle - and remove all regulations that make it possible for a healthy middle class to exist. Regulation is the enemy of profit and profit is the only thing that matters.
That about sums it up!
I think one of the main galas is to slap the shit out of idiots like you.
- Can you show me, specifically, what concept libertarians have that will decrease wages?
- This is true, in part. Libertarians generally want to decrease taxes across the board. This will result in less taxes on the wealthy, the middle class, and the poor.
- Again, I need specific examples.
"Definitions vary, but broadly speaking, libertarianism is the idea that people should be as free as possible from state coercion so long as they don’t harm anyone. The job of the state is limited to fighting crime, providing for the common defense, and protecting the rights and contracts of citizens. The individual is sovereign; he is the captain of himself."
Watch how they all ignore this.
The three main goals of libertarianism
1) Decrease wages salaries and benefits for the poor and middle class as much as possible. Lower wages salaries and benefits for those who labor means those who own can profit more.
2) Decrease taxes on the wealthy as much as possible. No explanation needed.
3) Remove all regulations that make it harder for the wealthy to herd the poor like cattle - and remove all regulations that make it possible for a healthy middle class to exist. Regulation is the enemy of profit and profit is the only thing that matters.
That about sums it up!
You are way off, 0 for 3.
It is not the government responsibility to intervene in employment contracts. How much you earn depends on you and the putative employer.
Taxation is a bad word for Libertarians. You pay for what you use or consume.
We believe in businesses being regulated by the marketplace.
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First off...................it's SAILOR, not "soldier". Never been a ground pounder or a bullet sponge (Army and Marines) nor do I ever wish to become one. When I first joined in 1982, I thought camping as a hobby was fine, but as a lifestyle left much to be desired (which is why I didn't join the Army).
I also thought that being on the front lines and getting fired at was not exactly what I wanted as well, which is why I joined the Navy.
Being on the front lines (like Beruit, Desert Storm for both Pt. 1 and 2, as well as Kosovo) was exciting enough, but in addition to going to battle stations, I could get a decent hot meal later.
Want to know what's killing capitalism? It's idiots like Mittens RobMe and his ilk. They don't care about the workers or what they produce or how well it's done, they just want to fortify their bottom line and make more cash.
And yeah..................Mittens RobMe isn't a slash about his failed campaign, it's about the people who think like him.
Odd that your love for workers doesn't extend to soldiers. Now everyone know why navy pukes are pretty much considered light in the loafers.
If liberty is the ultimate form of political expression, then tell me this....................
Why is it easier for a rich man to influence the politicians than it is for the people who actually elected them?
Cause and effect. It takes money to get people to actually elect the politician. The problem is not, and has never been, rich people buying politicians, it is, and always will be, the ability of politicians to have something to sell to rich men.
Politicians continually work to increase the amount of product they can sell by increasing their reach into our lives. The more control they have over our ability to prosper, the more need there is for their favors, and consequently an increased ability to sell those favors.
The problem hasn't been rich people buying politicians?
Really?
Ever hear of the Koch brothers? How about Sheldon Addelson? What about that idiot in SC named Pope?
All of them have tried to buy politicians. Only problem is, it seems that the Koch brothers and Addelson weren't as smart as Pope. Pope has managed to buy elections for the GOP.
Oh................Wanna talk about "Americans for Prosperity"?
Too bad you folks did a good job of selling us out to china and outsourcing tons of jobs overseas. Yes, Granny, our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Who in their right minds would want to set up shop here, and employ people when they would never be able to survive the pressure of our business environment?
The main goal of liberalism is to tax the rich out of existence, make everyone prosper the same, equality in everyone and everything. Forgive me, but you people sound more like a bunch of utiopianists. You have more to do with communism and socialism than you do with capitalism. It's written all over your party's platform.
Yanno.................in the 1950's and 1960's, there was enough money for everyone. One of the main perks of serving a company for 20 or 30 years was you got a gold watch and a pension when you hit those marks.
The military still gives a person a pension at 20 years. I know, because I'm living on one right now.
And......................I don't have to work for some corporation now, because I'm able to make it on my pension (and still have enough for a dinner out every now and again, as well as a vacation once a year).
BTW...................you want to know what is killing capitalism? It's not the communists or the socialists....................
It's the greed at the top in the form of CEO's and "corporate managers".
If there was "enough money for everyone" why was there a need for the Great Society and the War on Poverty?
Actually, you may wish to look up the meaning of that word.
What you've described in your post is pretty much what the GOP wants, and it's not liberty, its more of a description of slavery.
Sorry.......................but I spent 20 years of my life defending this country, and I don't want to see some idiot corporation (that will never serve in a war zone) deciding what is good for my country or not.
The libertarians have co-opted the GOP. Did you know David Koch was the Libertarian Party's Vice Presidential candidate in 1980? Guess who was the Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 1988? Ron Paul. They are Republicans now - and they are doing everything to advance the three goals outlined in the OP.
That's right. We've taken over the Republican Party. That's how Mitt Romney got nominated. All part of the vast libertarian conspiracy.
Oopie, the root of libertarianism is you leave me to do what I want and I'll leave you to do what you want. I won't harm you and you won't harm me.
No, not anymore, not really. In about half the states in the union, the "libertarians" have stripped the unions of the ability to freely negotiate a union shop agreement with business .This renders them more or less moot.Can't they unionize and negotiate?
The libertarians have co-opted the GOP. Did you know David Koch was the Libertarian Party's Vice Presidential candidate in 1980? Guess who was the Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 1988? Ron Paul. They are Republicans now - and they are doing everything to advance the three goals outlined in the OP.
That's right. We've taken over the Republican Party. That's how Mitt Romney got nominated. All part of the vast libertarian conspiracy.
Mitt Romney's policies are 100% in line with the three main goals of the libertarian party mentioned in the OP.
Oopie, the root of libertarianism is you leave me to do what I want and I'll leave you to do what you want. I won't harm you and you won't harm me.
That may be the the word means - but libertarianism in America has become something else. Its main purpose is to protect and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class.
No, not anymore, not really. In about half the states in the union, the "libertarians" have stripped the unions of the ability to freely negotiate a union shop agreement with business .This renders them more or less moot.Can't they unionize and negotiate?
Haven't you been paying attention?
The three main goals of libertarianism
1) Decrease wages salaries and benefits for the poor and middle class as much as possible. Lower wages salaries and benefits for those who labor means those who own can profit more.
2) Decrease taxes on the wealthy as much as possible. No explanation needed.
3) Remove all regulations that make it harder for the wealthy to herd the poor like cattle - and remove all regulations that make it possible for a healthy middle class to exist. Regulation is the enemy of profit and profit is the only thing that matters.
That about sums it up!
You are way off, 0 for 3.
It is not the government responsibility to intervene in employment contracts. How much you earn depends on you and the putative employer.
Taxation is a bad word for Libertarians. You pay for what you use or consume.
We believe in businesses being regulated by the marketplace.
.
He is right in all three - and you seem to largely prove that here yourself.
1. With no labour laws or unions to protect employees, wages WILL go down. It's obvious.
2. Here you agree. Taxation is a bad word, hence taxes for the wealthy WILL go down.
3. Here you both agree - there would be no regulation of the market beyond what the market chooses. What the OP rightly adds is that when producers control the market, there will be no regulation at all. Monopolies - fine. Cartels - fine. That is the point here.
That may be the the word means - but libertarianism in America has become something else. Its main purpose is to protect and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class.
That's right. We've taken over the Republican Party. That's how Mitt Romney got nominated. All part of the vast libertarian conspiracy.
Mitt Romney's policies are 100% in line with the three main goals of the libertarian party mentioned in the OP.
That's what I'm saying. We nominated Mitt "Mr. Libertarian" Romney for a reason.
Oopie, the root of libertarianism is you leave me to do what I want and I'll leave you to do what you want. I won't harm you and you won't harm me.
That may be the the word means - but libertarianism in America has become something else. Its main purpose is to protect and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class.
No, not anymore, not really. In about half the states in the union, the "libertarians" have stripped the unions of the ability to freely negotiate a union shop agreement with business .This renders them more or less moot.Can't they unionize and negotiate?
