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So you'll be okay when it's white people's turn, then?
Yes, breaking up a meeting by shotuting down the speaker is 'less than violence'. Of course, leftwing students have used violence as well. Here's an article from the liberal Atlantic magazine:
A Violent Attack on Free Speech at Middlebury
Liberals must defend the right of conservative students to invite speakers of their choice, even if they find their views abhorrent.
By Peter Beinart
And a video of the assault:
A Violent Attack on Free Speech at Middlebury
Liberals must defend the right of conservative students to invite speakers of their choice, even if they find their views abhorrent.www.theatlantic.com
So ... what is your position on Free Speech? What do you think of these attacks on Free Speech?
You seem to blame it on Trump. Trump somehow provokes these students into attacking conservatives. Is that correct? (It's ironic -- Ann Coulter is disliked by many conservatives because she is anti-Trump!)
Also: you say that "
I don't believe this to be true, but I could be wrong. Can you provide some links to back up your claim? One thing I do know: the people attacking Asians are Blacks, not white conservatives.
So: are you in favor of conservatives being allowed to have meetings, on university campuses and elsewhere, without their being broken up by mobs? (There are decent people on the Left who are in favor of this -- after all, it's the traditional liberal view.)
And: can you provide some links that back up your claim that" the only violence is from Trump supporters attcking Blacks, gays, Muslims, Asians and Jews"?
Its already happening daily. Over the border, kilers rapist criminals. Blacks running amok in every big city. When it reaches the breakjng point, the strong will survive.
Forgot to add: Marxist enemies of American citizens has seized the GOVT. In process to fully attempt to conquer and control all.
no, what separates us is your total garbage propaganda misinformation that you believe along with all the other republican base voters. No Steal etc etc etc etc and Democrats are doing 5% of what you think they are. Change the channel, you are totally brainwashed on the subject..It's very strange. Here, millions upon millions of GOP voters are turning against the Permanent War Party, the We Must Dominate the World Party, in a word the UniParty... and you scorn them, and cover for the Democrats ... who have led America into every major war over the last century and more up to Gulf War I. (Sometimes, for good reasons. But they're no pacifists.)
Is their worldview "chaotic and confused"? Sure. ALL ordinary people, Democrat or Republican, have a "chaotic and confused" worldview. Only very exceptional individuals have a worked-out, coherent, internally-consistent worldview, backed up by knowledge gained by reading. This is just reality.
Now... I hope any conservatives reading this do not adopt Franco's approach to political adversaries. You see, while our side has become very suspicious of wars to bring democracy to backward peoples, and unenthusiastic at best about the Ukraine war (a different situation, but one that could have been avoided if our rulers hadn't been so keen for the last 30 years on breaking up Russia) .... while our base ha changed under the impace of events ... so has the other side's base.
The hard Left component within the liberal/Left Democratic ranks overplayed their hand, with defunding the Police, wiping out American history, and sexualizing children.
Your ordinary Democratic voter -- not your Marxoid Post Modernist college professor -- knows that we must have the police, and that in 99.99% of confrontations of the police with civilians that end in violence, the police are in the right. They don't want American history to be portrayed as it is seen by some semi-literate self-centred loon who thinks it's all a history of oppression. They don't want their children exposed to sexual deviants.
So ... they voted to recall the son-of-Weatherman super-PC District Attorney in San Francisco. He lost 60/40. [San Francisco votes overwhelmingly to recall progressive DA Chesa Boudin]
And they voted to recall the crazy hate-Amerikkka Leftists on the School Board.
"One of the first issues to grab national attention was the board’s January 2021 decision to rename 44 schools they said honored public figures linked to racism, sexism and other injustices. On the list were Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and California’s senior senator, Dianne Feinstein" [San Francisco residents recall three members of embattled school board ]
And this was in Deep Blue San Francico, where the Democratic voters are probably all well-paid college graduates working at 'Woke' corporations. If they can vote to terminate the political careers of some 'woke' loons, think of what the blue-collar Steelworkers Union guy thinks of these Leftist spoiled brats?
So ... we must NOT adopt Franco's attitude to our base who have rejected the traditional conservative 'any-war-the-government-starts-we-support' attitude. Rather, where we can, we need to reach out to these Democrats, find ways to work with them on issues where we agree.
We're not going to move really hard-core liberals, even those who vote for sanity in policing and education. But there will be others whom we can reach. They'll be surprised, when they work with us, to find that we don't have fangs, we don't wear Klan hoods at our meetings, we don't want to electrocute gays for sodomy. In fact, some of us are Black, and are gay.
(Hey ... I don't want to upset certain people -- well, maybe I do just a little -- but one of our best thinkers is ... transgender! Long before it became a weapon on the hands of the Left. Look here: [ Deirdre McCloskey - Wikipedia ] )
What unites us is that we see our coutnry being destroyed from within, and we want to stop it from happening. And any Democrat who begins to get a glimpse of this ... however partially, however inconsistently, however 'chaotic and confused' their world-view is ... is someone we want to work with and talk to.
It's war. We must do whatever it takes to win. Divide and conquer.
You certainly are living in fear, aren't you?
baloney change the damn channel sometime for God's sake LOL. cheaper health care daycare college and training and taxing the rich again is not a communist dictatorship LOL. every other modern country has all of it...Its already happening daily. Over the border, kilers rapist criminals. Blacks running amok in every big city. When it reaches the breakjng point, the strong will survive.
Forgot to add: Marxist enemies of American citizens has seized the GOVT. In process to fully attempt to conquer and control all.
Hard earned wealth beginning to vanish again like obiden 1.0. My only "fear" at this time.
yup, hoping for things you fear is kind of weird. But you do you, man.
The reality is lessons were learned from the Bush Crash in 2008, which is why it won't happen again.
We heard polly ana BS 08-16 also as we lost 50%. 20 million jobs. Millions more homeless.
The first bank just failed...making me squeamish again. We are already down since the fraud was installed 2021. Nothing good seems to be on the horizon?
Um, things actually did get better under Obama. I was making far more when he left than when he got there.
Same thing with Biden, really.
Bush fucked things up, and the only reason why Trump wasn't a lot worse for me is that I was expecting him to fuck things up and took preventative measures.
This is one high risk, small bank. It's not WaMu in 2008.
Mark the tape.This is one high risk, small bank. It's not WaMu in 2008.
Churchill once gave a long speech in the House of Commons. Later, when someone criticized its excessive length, he said, "I didn't have time to make it shorter."
I try to back up what I say with links that people can check out for themselves, and sometimes quote a few lines from them since I know many people won't click on a link. This makes the posts longer.
The thing is, you can express your opinion in one or two sentences. But to justify your opinion, to explain it a bit. and to give the things that make you believe what you do, and which might convince another reasonable person, takes more than one or two sentences.
So it's a trade off. I could post one- or two-liners that everyone would read, but which would only 'convince' the people who already agree with me. Or I could take the chance that we have some readers among us -- after all, "Liberals read, conservatives watch TV" as a conservative pundit noted -- and post something that gives the reader something to think about.
I agree with you about the Gettysburg Address. Have you read Gary Wills' brilliant book about it? [Lincoln at Gettysburg - Wikipedia ] (He's an example of someone who went the other way. He used to be one of us, and became one of you. He's a really interesting -- and puzzling -- personality. [ Garry Wills - Wikipedia ])
And, that book, or the key idea in it, is the center of a long-standing political debate within the Right: are we a 'propositional nation', or not. But I won't go into that here. (Sighs of relief all round.)
Another book you'd like, if you haven't read it, is The Killer Angels, about the Battle of Gettysburg, by Michael Shaara. Absolutely brilliant, one of the top two war novels I've ever read.
baloney change the damn channel sometime for God's sake LOL. cheaper health care daycare college and training and taxing the rich again is not a communist dictatorship LOL. every other modern country has all of it...
Is it weren't for the racist EC...the repubs would never be in the WH.Uh.. okay. So what?
There is no except anythingExcept you guys were only ever really in the majority for a breif time between Reagan and Bush.
And you had to lie to get there.
You wrote all that in a rebuttal to there are no good leftists?Hmmm... are you simply redifing 'good' to mean 'being a rightwinger'? If so, of course you are right by definition.
And I can do the same: there are no flying mammals. (Because I have redefined 'mammal' to mean, 'not able to fly'.)
But if we use one of the normal meanings of 'good' -- however you want to define it -- then, you are mistaken. Please think again.
Here's a test: I could pick some people I know personally and tell you everything about them, except for their political views. Some would be conservatives, some liberals ... two of them, in fact, are hard-core Marxists -- one a Trotskyist, the other the head of the Communist Party in his city. You would not be able to tell who is who just from their non-political characteristics. They're all 'good' people, even if the consequences of the views of the Leftists, especially the Marxists, would be disastrous.
And here's the problem with that attitude to Leftists: it keeps us from destroying the Left. We need to argue with these people. We need to present facts that undermine their beliefs, and demoralize them, and then make them think again, and change their minds. This never happens overnight. It takes years, and above all, the impact of events.
We need to open up the contradictions within the Left -- say, between the ones who believe in Free Speech, and the ones who have the fascist attitude towards Free Speech.
Between the ones who actually want to help Black children get a decent education, and the ones who couldn't care less.
We need to pull some of them towards us.
Can Leftists become conservatives? Can Saul become Paul?
Well, of course they can. Half the founding members of the editorial board of William Buckley's National Review -- for decades the premier conservative journal in the US -- were ex-Marxists.
Here are some Leftists who became Rightists.
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham
Second Thoughts on James Burnham - Wikipedia
Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Frank Meyer (political philosopher) - Wikipedia
Willi Schlamm - Wikipedia
Willmoore Kendall - Wikipedia
And these are just the 'heavy artillery'. I can name you lots of small fry who were radical leftists in their youth, but who wised up as they got older. As Churchill is supposed to have said, 'If you are not a socialist when you are 20, you have no heart. If you are still one at 40, you have no brain.'
Their morality didn't change. Their values didn't change. Their political views -- their views of the proper means to making their values reality -- changed.
It can happen again. But not if we just reject all Leftists as evil people or cultists etc.
Joe joe joe, there you go again. Sigh.Um, things actually did get better under Obama. I was making far more when he left than when he got there.
Same thing with Biden, really.
Bush fucked things up, and the only reason why Trump wasn't a lot worse for me is that I was expecting him to fuck things up and took preventative measures.
This is one high risk, small bank. It's not WaMu in 2008.
Dead Cat bounce. Doing nothing would have been faster recovery. If not recovery? Then it would be full on World collapse.things actually did get better under Obama
Right. GWB controlled the Banks. Wrote the CRA, Glass-Stegall repeal? Not Congress or others? But, GWB was stupid like a monkey right? But he snuck around SEC? FIDC?Bush fucked things up,
You wrote all that in a rebuttal to there are no good leftists?
He's the rino leftists dream of. The one who would compromise his rights awayhe thinks he is a “good guy” conservative but he beds down with MAC every chance he gets, true LW loons roll together but pretend to be some moderate BS.
You notice it was the bush crash even though democrats controlled Congress with a senator obamaWe heard polly ana BS 08-16 also as we lost 50%. 20 million jobs. Millions more homeless.
The first bank just failed...making me squeamish again. We are already down since the fraud was installed 2021. Nothing good seems to be on the horizon?
Why were not lessons earned from 1929? Allowing 08?
Well, 'the Left' can't agree with 'the Right' about that, because they don't see shoplifting by the poor (and Black) as theft at all. For them, it's the other way around: the wealthy store owners are 'stealing' from the poor because .... well, it makes no sense.I’m saying, and I suspect you agree, that we are a broken society, and a meeting of the minds is not possible
I’m not inclined to compromise with the left on matters of principle
and they have no interest in compromising with me
Look at whats going in in Portland with the democratic mayor and DA
It defies common sense that shoplifting should be allowed as long as the criminals take less than $1000 at a time
If left and right cant agree on basic issues such as that we cant agree on anything
Yes. I'm trying to reach conservatives, to try to convince them that we can win people from the Left.You wrote all that in a rebuttal to there are no good leftists?
Ok there are zero good leftists
Google what? Give us a link! i gave you a link to an article in a liberal magazine, by a liberal, that discusses this violent mob attack in detail (and condemns it). And I gave a link to a video of it. And your response is ... incoherent.they should be allowed to speak. mobs, assault my butt....
google it.
