The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[JBeukema]

One day you will change sides.

I did. I was a Liberal back when I was stupid and knew nothing but the empty rhetoric of the bourgeois liberals and their useful idiots.

well

you don't seem overly fond of deranged right wing conservatives, either

that's a GOOD thing.

Those on the far left and on the far right can be said to be equally delusional. They are both ruled by faith. (see Arthur Koestler's account of his own story and l, as shared in The God that Failed for a good examination of the role of faith when it comes to Communists, for instance). Extremists on both sides refuse evidence as a challenge to their faith and it's a waste of time to bother them with facts or reasoned arguments. This goes for teabaggers who love their social security and unfunded medicare part D as well as for Communists and 'progressives' (read: totalitarian socialists). In the economic debate, it applies to self-styled arch-libertarians and also to many Keynesian who imagine themselves as gos who can plot the working of the market and mold human action to suit their grand purpose.


But I digress. Moving along...

 

[JBeukema]

. I will stick to what Christ has said, because his teachings are consistent.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEWtoXHsN8]YouTube - Brief Bible Blunders -- Episode #8[/ame]

anyone who says, `You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

You fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

 

[AllieBaba]

One day you will change sides.

I did. I was a Liberal back when I was stupid and knew nothing but the empty rhetoric of the bourgeois liberals and their useful idiots.

So what exactly are you again, Puke?
A commie? Anarchist? Lunatic?

 

[AllieBaba]

BTW, for those who insist that American isn't a Christian nation but a secular one modeled after Rome...

Rome WAS a theocracy.

 

[editec]

BTW, for those who insist that American isn't a Christian nation but a secular one modeled after Rome...

Rome WAS a theocracy.

Which one?

Eastern or Western Roman emire?

At what time in Rome history thousand years history are you referring?

Rome was never a theocracy as we understand the word today, but you are right in the sense that there elements of taxpaying that had to do with going through the motions and paying taxes through the temples, that is true

The things you don't know about Rome could fill a library, Allie

The things I don't know about Rome could fill one, too, so don't feel too bad about that.

People devote their entire lives to studying that empire and they can bearly scratch the surface of its long and incredibly complex story.

So generalizing like you just did makes like zero sense.

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm using wiki. It's late and I'm tired. If you know as much as you profess to know about Rome, I doubt if you would have asked me which Rome I was referring to.

"Theocracy should be distinguished from other secular forms of government that have a state religion, or are merely influenced by theological or moral concepts, and monarchies held "By the Grace of God"."

"Denying the gods of the ancient Greece and Rome was a crime. Furthermore the emperors of Rome were often deified."

Theocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[editec]

I'm using wiki. It's late and I'm tired. If you know as much as you profess to know about Rome, I doubt if you would have asked me which Rome I was referring to.

"Theocracy should be distinguished from other secular forms of government that have a state religion, or are merely influenced by theological or moral concepts, and monarchies held "By the Grace of God"."

"Denying the gods of the ancient Greece and Rome was a crime. Furthermore the emperors of Rome were often deified."

Theocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well if Wiki is telling you that Rome was a theocracy, it's just wrong.

I was asking you which Rome you were referring to because there were two eventually.

Trying to compare Roman government to today's theocracies demands that you

1. don't understand the complex nature of Rome's government or relgion, and

2. Don't understand that that compexity was further complicated by the fact that it kept changing over time, too.

 

[AllieBaba]

Bullshit.
Rome was a theocracy, where people could be (and were) punished for worshiping the wrong gods, and where CAESAR was deified.

Wiki has it right on those points at any rate.

So was or wasn't the US based upon Rome? And how does that fit in with Rome being a theocracy?

 

[Intense]

One day you will change sides.

I did. I was a Liberal back when I was stupid and knew nothing but the empty rhetoric of the bourgeois liberals and their useful idiots.

So your training wheels are off! Good for you! Know consequence. One still has to choose between solving the problem or contributing to it. Temptation is a bitch. Purpose, Intention, coupled with principle, keep one better on point. Here's an idea! Do no harm, when you can avoid it.

P.S. Try not to piss off the forces of creation and what's behind them, by whining.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Bullshit.
Rome was a theocracy, where people could be (and were) punished for worshiping the wrong gods, and where CAESAR was deified.

Wiki has it right on those points at any rate.

So was or wasn't the US based upon Rome? And how does that fit in with Rome being a theocracy?

Rome was not a theocracy. It was a democracy and a republic. Rome took many of its ideas from the Greeks.

 

[AllieBaba]

Bullshit.
Rome was a theocracy, where people could be (and were) punished for worshiping the wrong gods, and where CAESAR was deified.

Wiki has it right on those points at any rate.

So was or wasn't the US based upon Rome? And how does that fit in with Rome being a theocracy?

Rome was not a theocracy. It was a democracy and a republic. Rome took many of its ideas from the Greeks.

Oh. My. God.

GREECE was ALSO a THEOCRACY.

So let me get this straight....despite the statements of the founding fathers, and our FOUNDING document, the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that freedom comes ONLY from God, and that our government is structured on Christian tenets...you insist that the US is a secular state because it WASN'T founded on Christian ideals because it was REALLY just a copy of ROME.

But in your world, Rome WASN'T a theocracy, despite the fact that the Caesar was DEIFIED and people were killed for worshipping gods (for example, CHRISTIANS) not sanctioned by the state.

Are you serious? Is this really what you are trying to assert? Because now we're in crazy land.

 

[JBeukema]

One day you will change sides.

I did. I was a Liberal back when I was stupid and knew nothing but the empty rhetoric of the bourgeois liberals and their useful idiots.

So what exactly are you again, Puke?
A commie? Anarchist? Lunatic?

I've gone over this many times, my retarded little pet.

I'm one who, unlike you, doesn't have to check a child's genitals to know whether it's human or orangutan.

 

[JBeukema]

I'm using wiki. It's late and I'm tired. If you know as much as you profess to know about Rome, I doubt if you would have asked me which Rome I was referring to.

 

[AllieBaba]

I did. I was a Liberal back when I was stupid and knew nothing but the empty rhetoric of the bourgeois liberals and their useful idiots.

So what exactly are you again, Puke?
A commie? Anarchist? Lunatic?

I've gone over this many times, my retarded little pet.

I'm one who, unlike you, doesn't have to check a child's genitals to know whether it's human or orangutan.

I'm not your pet.
Though I'm sure you find pets attractive.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

. I will stick to what Christ has said, because his teachings are consistent.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEWtoXHsN8"]YouTube - Brief Bible Blunders -- Episode #8[/ame]

anyone who says, `You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

You fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

I love it when people make fools of themselves by doing stuff like this.

First the video. John 3:17 and 12:47 both use the word krino, and John 9:39 uses the word krima. Both are translated as judgement or condemnation, but they do not mean the same thing. Krino is used as the act of judging, and krima is the actual judgement itself. Jesus did not come to judge the world, but the world judge itself by rejecting him. Any first year seminary student could dismiss this as stupidity, which is why no translation of the Bible I know of uses the same word to translate both of thses words. In other words, whoever made this video had to pick and choose through different translations to get what they wanted.

The verses you quoted are the same. They use three different words that are translated as fool. The first uses rhaka, and Matt 5:22 is the only place this is used in the Bible. It appears to be the strongest possible use of the concept of calling someone a fool, and literally means empty headed.

Your second example uses moros, and I think we can all guess what word that is now used in English that means the same thing. The third example uses the word aphron, and it just means rash.

You keep posting stuff like this and you might actually be qualified to discuss the Bible in an intelligent manner in about 20 years.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

BTW, for those who insist that American isn't a Christian nation but a secular one modeled after Rome...

Rome WAS a theocracy.

Which one?

Eastern or Western Roman emire?

At what time in Rome history thousand years history are you referring?

Rome was never a theocracy as we understand the word today, but you are right in the sense that there elements of taxpaying that had to do with going through the motions and paying taxes through the temples, that is true

The things you don't know about Rome could fill a library, Allie

The things I don't know about Rome could fill one, too, so don't feel too bad about that.

People devote their entire lives to studying that empire and they can bearly scratch the surface of its long and incredibly complex story.

So generalizing like you just did makes like zero sense.

Pretty much its entire history after the Senate was neutered. It was a republic on paper, but the various Ceasars had all the power and were viewed as Gods, which is why Caligula could get away with all the things he did.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Bullshit.
Rome was a theocracy, where people could be (and were) punished for worshiping the wrong gods, and where CAESAR was deified.

Wiki has it right on those points at any rate.

So was or wasn't the US based upon Rome? And how does that fit in with Rome being a theocracy?

Rome was not a theocracy. It was a democracy and a republic. Rome took many of its ideas from the Greeks.

That is as stupid as your claim that the Founders were not Christians. The Greeks, as such, are a creation of modern history. What we refer to as Greece was a collection of city-states that formed a loose trade confederation and often fought wars with each other.

Peloponnesian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rome, on the other hand, was an Empire. After Constantine it referred to itself as the Holy Roman Empire and was effectively run from the Vatican. Augustus was declared to be divine after his death by the Roman Senate, and a cult of divinity was part of the culture around the Caesar.

You might be able to argue that Rome was not a theocracy in the sense that it was not tun by priests, but since you also want to argue that Dominionists want to turn the US into a theocracy I think you might find it difficult to do so and be intellectually consistent.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Bullshit.
Rome was a theocracy, where people could be (and were) punished for worshiping the wrong gods, and where CAESAR was deified.

Wiki has it right on those points at any rate.

So was or wasn't the US based upon Rome? And how does that fit in with Rome being a theocracy?

Rome was not a theocracy. It was a democracy and a republic. Rome took many of its ideas from the Greeks.

Oh. My. God.

GREECE was ALSO a THEOCRACY.

So let me get this straight....despite the statements of the founding fathers, and our FOUNDING document, the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that freedom comes ONLY from God, and that our government is structured on Christian tenets...you insist that the US is a secular state because it WASN'T founded on Christian ideals because it was REALLY just a copy of ROME.

But in your world, Rome WASN'T a theocracy, despite the fact that the Caesar was DEIFIED and people were killed for worshipping gods (for example, CHRISTIANS) not sanctioned by the state.

Are you serious? Is this really what you are trying to assert? Because now we're in crazy land.

Yes we are, and it is really weird here.

 

[JBeukema]

So what exactly are you again, Puke?
A commie? Anarchist? Lunatic?

I've gone over this many times, my retarded little pet.

I'm one who, unlike you, doesn't have to check a child's genitals to know whether it's human or orangutan.

I'm not your pet.
Though I'm sure you find pets attractive.

Some of them

Especially when you wait patiently for your Master to come home

 

[Samson]

I'm proud to see that an absurd OP can evolve into some really nice S&M pics