The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[JoReba]

If [biblical principals] exist as you claim they do, then they should be very easy to identify.

If they exist as *I* claim they do?? I'm merely posting what the founders "claim" they used as a model. You can disagree with their intent as they stated and implemented it, but that is a topic for another thread. If the colonialists, the political philosophers, the founders, and the presidents claim that the founding of the United States of America was based on Old and New Testament precepts, I believe them. Why don't you?

"How did the Founding Fathers make any of the contents of the Founding Documents 'near to the Law of God' as envisioned by the 1636 Connecticut Colony?"

Do you comprehend what I just asked? Answer? In orther words, what exactly are the "Founding Godly Principles of America" as they appear in:

1.) The Bible?
2.) America's Founding Documents?

Harry, would you care to field this?

Harry S. Truman
“The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul.”

You stated that you "believe them" when the Founding Fathers said they were using Biblical principles to form America's governance. Are you naive and simple to "believe them" when they specifically cite no particular Scripture to demonstrate their statements?

For instance, Truman above did not cite specific Mosaic Laws from The Mount and did not show from Exodus, St. Matthew, Isaiah, and St. Paul what exactly were their words which supposedly were the basis for American Principles of Governance and Civility. Do you believe everything people say to you ... ? Do you like to listen to grandiose sounding and broadly visaged pronouncements without examining them for substance?

Lol.

 

[AmericanFirst]

America founded on Christian/judaeo principles, get over it.

 

[Gadawg73]

America founded on Christian/judaeo principles, get over it.

Talk is cheap. We are a nation of laws.
Where in THE LAW is there anything to back up any of your claims?
The law has no preference for any religion. Be glad it DOESN'T!!!
Where in THE LAW does it state we are founded on Christian principles?
LAW is what governs us and is what this nation is FOUNDED ON. Religion ran and founded the European governments we fought and won our independence from.

 

[AllieBaba]

Fine with me but your state requires that all running for public office "acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being". Lonestar.
I can be a resident of your state Lonestar, run for public office and declare that I acknowledge the existence of Mickey Mouse as Supreme Being.
And that qualifies me to run.
See how silly those laws are? Political men will do anything to pacify anyone, especially men and their various religions.
And the Founders opposed that.

I doubt you'd win any public office stating Mickey Mouse is a Supreme Being. As a matter of fact, I think they'd commit you to the nearest mental ward.

With that said, this is the best counter you have to the fact that damn near every State Constitution acknowledges a Supreme Being? Not to mention the Declaration of Independence and our national motto, "In God We Trust" which replaced "E Pluribus Unum". The national motto and "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was passed with a 99% vote in the House, and unanimously in the Senate.

Thanks for proving my point Lonestar. I doubt you even have a clue that you did.
The entire idea of your state having that law is POLITICS.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone of those politicians being religous.
It is to get votes only.
Furthermore you continuously prove my point. Politicians, to get votes added "Under God" when Lonestar? You need to do some serious research there fellow because your argument is getting weaker by the second. The writer of The Pledge of Allegiance wrote it in 1891 and it was pressure to change it in 1954 during the Red Scare because the writer of The Pledge of Allegiance was A SOCIALIST! Well Duh. Ya think politics played a part in that Lonestar? A little history lesson is certainly in order next time you start spouting facts your way. Under your logic The United States of America was not a Christian nation when it was written in 1891 through 1954.
And how does trusting God make us a nation based on Christian principles.
Again, we are a nation of primarily Christians. A GOOD THING.
The Founders were Christian predominantly. A GOOD THING.
The majority of Americans ARE CHRISTIAN. A GOOD THING.
THE LAW has nothing to do with religion and we are a nation founded ON THE LAW, not men and their various religions.
THE LAW sees no religion and DOES NOT RELY on the beliefs of one religion, specifically the majority Christian religion, over another.
EVER.

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

 

[Gadawg73]

I doubt you'd win any public office stating Mickey Mouse is a Supreme Being. As a matter of fact, I think they'd commit you to the nearest mental ward.

With that said, this is the best counter you have to the fact that damn near every State Constitution acknowledges a Supreme Being? Not to mention the Declaration of Independence and our national motto, "In God We Trust" which replaced "E Pluribus Unum". The national motto and "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was passed with a 99% vote in the House, and unanimously in the Senate.

Thanks for proving my point Lonestar. I doubt you even have a clue that you did.
The entire idea of your state having that law is POLITICS.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone of those politicians being religous.
It is to get votes only.
Furthermore you continuously prove my point. Politicians, to get votes added "Under God" when Lonestar? You need to do some serious research there fellow because your argument is getting weaker by the second. The writer of The Pledge of Allegiance wrote it in 1891 and it was pressure to change it in 1954 during the Red Scare because the writer of The Pledge of Allegiance was A SOCIALIST! Well Duh. Ya think politics played a part in that Lonestar? A little history lesson is certainly in order next time you start spouting facts your way. Under your logic The United States of America was not a Christian nation when it was written in 1891 through 1954.
And how does trusting God make us a nation based on Christian principles.
Again, we are a nation of primarily Christians. A GOOD THING.
The Founders were Christian predominantly. A GOOD THING.
The majority of Americans ARE CHRISTIAN. A GOOD THING.
THE LAW has nothing to do with religion and we are a nation founded ON THE LAW, not men and their various religions.
THE LAW sees no religion and DOES NOT RELY on the beliefs of one religion, specifically the majority Christian religion, over another.
EVER.

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

Allie, Christianity is RELIGION.
Religion is not what this country was founded on.
Now did Christianity INFLUENCE the Founders? Of course! Was that influence a positive thing? Certainly! But it was not what FOUNDED THE NATION.
Only a dumb ass doesn't know, and I believe you know it but are too stubborn and rock headed to admit it, that LAWS are what this nation was founded on.
So tell us oh wise one, WTF in the law is religion mentioned ONCE?
It isn't.
Sounds good at political rallies as evidenced every election from the beginning to now but THE LAW is what this nation is founded on.
Something about THE CONSTITUTION, a document you know nothing about.
Don't blame your ignorance on me.

 

[Gadawg73]

I doubt you'd win any public office stating Mickey Mouse is a Supreme Being. As a matter of fact, I think they'd commit you to the nearest mental ward.

With that said, this is the best counter you have to the fact that damn near every State Constitution acknowledges a Supreme Being? Not to mention the Declaration of Independence and our national motto, "In God We Trust" which replaced "E Pluribus Unum". The national motto and "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was passed with a 99% vote in the House, and unanimously in the Senate.

Thanks for proving my point Lonestar. I doubt you even have a clue that you did.
The entire idea of your state having that law is POLITICS.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone of those politicians being religous.
It is to get votes only.
Furthermore you continuously prove my point. Politicians, to get votes added "Under God" when Lonestar? You need to do some serious research there fellow because your argument is getting weaker by the second. The writer of The Pledge of Allegiance wrote it in 1891 and it was pressure to change it in 1954 during the Red Scare because the writer of The Pledge of Allegiance was A SOCIALIST! Well Duh. Ya think politics played a part in that Lonestar? A little history lesson is certainly in order next time you start spouting facts your way. Under your logic The United States of America was not a Christian nation when it was written in 1891 through 1954.
And how does trusting God make us a nation based on Christian principles.
Again, we are a nation of primarily Christians. A GOOD THING.
The Founders were Christian predominantly. A GOOD THING.
The majority of Americans ARE CHRISTIAN. A GOOD THING.
THE LAW has nothing to do with religion and we are a nation founded ON THE LAW, not men and their various religions.
THE LAW sees no religion and DOES NOT RELY on the beliefs of one religion, specifically the majority Christian religion, over another.
EVER.

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

Where is this written:
"No religous test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office OR PUBLIC trust in THE UNITED STATES"
Where Allie? Where is that written and who wrote it?
You claim that we were founded on Christian principles and the Founders wrote that religion is NOT a requirement for any office or the public trust in The United States.
You are brainwashed and dumber than a box of rocks.
Tell us where that is written? Where is it written that religion is not part of our government? Where is that Allie? I bet you are too stubborn and air headed to answer that question?

 

[JoReba]

Thanks for proving my point Lonestar. I doubt you even have a clue that you did.
The entire idea of your state having that law is POLITICS.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone of those politicians being religous.
It is to get votes only.
Furthermore you continuously prove my point. Politicians, to get votes added "Under God" when Lonestar? You need to do some serious research there fellow because your argument is getting weaker by the second. The writer of The Pledge of Allegiance wrote it in 1891 and it was pressure to change it in 1954 during the Red Scare because the writer of The Pledge of Allegiance was A SOCIALIST! Well Duh. Ya think politics played a part in that Lonestar? A little history lesson is certainly in order next time you start spouting facts your way. Under your logic The United States of America was not a Christian nation when it was written in 1891 through 1954.
And how does trusting God make us a nation based on Christian principles.
Again, we are a nation of primarily Christians. A GOOD THING.
The Founders were Christian predominantly. A GOOD THING.
The majority of Americans ARE CHRISTIAN. A GOOD THING.
THE LAW has nothing to do with religion and we are a nation founded ON THE LAW, not men and their various religions.
THE LAW sees no religion and DOES NOT RELY on the beliefs of one religion, specifically the majority Christian religion, over another.
EVER.

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

Where is this written:
"No religous test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office OR PUBLIC trust in THE UNITED STATES"
Where Allie? Where is that written and who wrote it?
You claim that we were founded on Christian principles and the Founders wrote that religion is NOT a requirement for any office or the public trust in The United States.
You are brainwashed and dumber than a box of rocks.
Tell us where that is written? Where is it written that religion is not part of our government? Where is that Allie? I bet you are too stubborn and air headed to answer that question?

Can you tell us where in the Founding Documents the "Godly Founding Principles" are stated?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Thanks for proving my point Lonestar. I doubt you even have a clue that you did.
The entire idea of your state having that law is POLITICS.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone of those politicians being religous.
It is to get votes only.
Furthermore you continuously prove my point. Politicians, to get votes added "Under God" when Lonestar? You need to do some serious research there fellow because your argument is getting weaker by the second. The writer of The Pledge of Allegiance wrote it in 1891 and it was pressure to change it in 1954 during the Red Scare because the writer of The Pledge of Allegiance was A SOCIALIST! Well Duh. Ya think politics played a part in that Lonestar? A little history lesson is certainly in order next time you start spouting facts your way. Under your logic The United States of America was not a Christian nation when it was written in 1891 through 1954.
And how does trusting God make us a nation based on Christian principles.
Again, we are a nation of primarily Christians. A GOOD THING.
The Founders were Christian predominantly. A GOOD THING.
The majority of Americans ARE CHRISTIAN. A GOOD THING.
THE LAW has nothing to do with religion and we are a nation founded ON THE LAW, not men and their various religions.
THE LAW sees no religion and DOES NOT RELY on the beliefs of one religion, specifically the majority Christian religion, over another.
EVER.

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

Where is this written:
"No religous test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office OR PUBLIC trust in THE UNITED STATES"
Where Allie? Where is that written and who wrote it?
You claim that we were founded on Christian principles and the Founders wrote that religion is NOT a requirement for any office or the public trust in The United States.
You are brainwashed and dumber than a box of rocks.
Tell us where that is written? Where is it written that religion is not part of our government? Where is that Allie? I bet you are too stubborn and air headed to answer that question?

It's written in the constitution Artcle VI, paragraph 3 but that does not disprove that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

How can you disregard the Declaration of Independence? How about George Washington's Proclamation of National Thanksgiving? Were he stated:

"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually, to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and Us, and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best. "

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

 

[Gadawg73]

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

Where is this written:
"No religous test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office OR PUBLIC trust in THE UNITED STATES"
Where Allie? Where is that written and who wrote it?
You claim that we were founded on Christian principles and the Founders wrote that religion is NOT a requirement for any office or the public trust in The United States.
You are brainwashed and dumber than a box of rocks.
Tell us where that is written? Where is it written that religion is not part of our government? Where is that Allie? I bet you are too stubborn and air headed to answer that question?

It's written in the constitution Artcle VI, paragraph 3 but that does not disprove that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

How can you disregard the Declaration of Independence? How about George Washington's Proclamation of National Thanksgiving? Were he stated:

"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually, to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and Us, and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best. "

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

Politicians proclaim shit all the time.
What Christian principles founded our government?

 

[AllieBaba]

Thanks for proving my point Lonestar. I doubt you even have a clue that you did.
The entire idea of your state having that law is POLITICS.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone of those politicians being religous.
It is to get votes only.
Furthermore you continuously prove my point. Politicians, to get votes added "Under God" when Lonestar? You need to do some serious research there fellow because your argument is getting weaker by the second. The writer of The Pledge of Allegiance wrote it in 1891 and it was pressure to change it in 1954 during the Red Scare because the writer of The Pledge of Allegiance was A SOCIALIST! Well Duh. Ya think politics played a part in that Lonestar? A little history lesson is certainly in order next time you start spouting facts your way. Under your logic The United States of America was not a Christian nation when it was written in 1891 through 1954.
And how does trusting God make us a nation based on Christian principles.
Again, we are a nation of primarily Christians. A GOOD THING.
The Founders were Christian predominantly. A GOOD THING.
The majority of Americans ARE CHRISTIAN. A GOOD THING.
THE LAW has nothing to do with religion and we are a nation founded ON THE LAW, not men and their various religions.
THE LAW sees no religion and DOES NOT RELY on the beliefs of one religion, specifically the majority Christian religion, over another.
EVER.

Lol..so the claim is that the US isn't based upon Christianity...

The proof is provided that yes, the US is structured upon Christianity quite definitely, with multiple references to God in our founding documents...

and so you say "No that doesn't count because it doesn't mean anything".

Well sorry, it doesn't matter. The fact is that God is quite evident throughout the structure of our nation and our states; he is openly referred to and the documents STATE that the country is founded on Christian principles.

So no matter how many times you say "It doesn't matter what the evidence is, I SAY IT'S NOT TRUE!" you still look like an idiot.

This country was founded on Christian principles, references God repeatedly, and unequivocably states, repeatedly, that the one source of human rights is GOD and that freedom comes directly from GOD.

At this point your posturings are nothing but silliness.

Where is this written:
"No religous test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office OR PUBLIC trust in THE UNITED STATES"
Where Allie? Where is that written and who wrote it?
You claim that we were founded on Christian principles and the Founders wrote that religion is NOT a requirement for any office or the public trust in The United States.
You are brainwashed and dumber than a box of rocks.
Tell us where that is written? Where is it written that religion is not part of our government? Where is that Allie? I bet you are too stubborn and air headed to answer that question?

What does that have to do with anything?

Logical fallacy. MULTIPLE logical fallacies. You lose.

 

[AllieBaba]

Where is this written:
"No religous test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office OR PUBLIC trust in THE UNITED STATES"
Where Allie? Where is that written and who wrote it?
You claim that we were founded on Christian principles and the Founders wrote that religion is NOT a requirement for any office or the public trust in The United States.
You are brainwashed and dumber than a box of rocks.
Tell us where that is written? Where is it written that religion is not part of our government? Where is that Allie? I bet you are too stubborn and air headed to answer that question?

It's written in the constitution Artcle VI, paragraph 3 but that does not disprove that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

How can you disregard the Declaration of Independence? How about George Washington's Proclamation of National Thanksgiving? Were he stated:

"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually, to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and Us, and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best. "

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

Politicians proclaim shit all the time.
What Christian principles founded our government?

The principle that all men are created equal. For one.

 

[JScott]

Our government is just a republic. Theres no Christian anything in that.

 

[AllieBaba]

Nobody said Christianity was the foundation of all republics.

Christianity is the foundation of THIS republic, however.

 

[JScott]

Nobody said Christianity was the foundation of all republics.

Christianity is the foundation of THIS republic, however.

A republic is a republic. If anything ours is based on the Romans who were not Christian until the end of their rein.

 

[AllieBaba]

What complete hogwash. The discussion is whether or not this country was founded on Christian principles.

It was. The references are all through our foundation documents.

 

[AllieBaba]

Nobody said Christianity was the foundation of all republics.

Christianity is the foundation of THIS republic, however.

A republic is a republic. If anything ours is based on the Romans who were not Christian until the end of their rein.

So you have any references to Rome and such to validify that?

Because there are countless references to Christianity and God. The founding fathers said they were building a country based on Chrisitian values and as an extension of rights GRANTED BY GOD to men. You can say "yeah they said that but it means nothing". but of course, it does mean something. It means this country was founded on Christian principles. The founding fathers said so, our foundation documents say so. That's enough for me.

 

[Gadawg73]

It's written in the constitution Artcle VI, paragraph 3 but that does not disprove that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

How can you disregard the Declaration of Independence? How about George Washington's Proclamation of National Thanksgiving? Were he stated:

Politicians proclaim shit all the time.
What Christian principles founded our government?

The principle that all men are created equal. For one.

So our nation was founded on the principle that all men are created equal.
All the while those Founders that you claim founded this nation on the Christian "principle that all men are created equal" owned and supported enslaving blacks.
You are a Looney Tune Bat Shit ignorant woman Allie.
Dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[AllieBaba]

*yawn*

Same old same old junior high tripe presented as if it's new and fresh.

 

[Rogo]

It's written in the constitution Artcle VI, paragraph 3 but that does not disprove that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

How can you disregard the Declaration of Independence? How about George Washington's Proclamation of National Thanksgiving? Were he stated:

Politicians proclaim shit all the time.
What Christian principles founded our government?

The principle that all men are created equal. For one.

Many religions possess that principle. Plus, I always thought that the Bible held a biasness
against women (I could be wrong, though).

 

[Gadawg73]

Nobody said Christianity was the foundation of all republics.

Christianity is the foundation of THIS republic, however.

A republic is a republic. If anything ours is based on the Romans who were not Christian until the end of their rein.

So you have any references to Rome and such to validify that?

Because there are countless references to Christianity and God. The founding fathers said they were building a country based on Chrisitian values and as an extension of rights GRANTED BY GOD to men. You can say "yeah they said that but it means nothing". but of course, it does mean something. It means this country was founded on Christian principles. The founding fathers said so, our foundation documents say so. That's enough for me.

Uh, earth to Allie, come in.
The United States Constitution set up a representative type of government, one that is based heavily off the structure of the Roman Republic.
Now tell us how the Roman Republic was a "nation founded on Christian principles".
This is way too easy. Someone please make a valud argument here.