The Wages Of Ordinary American Workers Has Increased 9% in Forty Years

[Spare_change]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because a healthy middle class equates to a healthy economy.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

 

[Spare_change]

" ... same raise, same bonus ..."

Yeah, let's forget all about reward and motivation.

" ... same raise, same bonus ..."

Yeah, let's forget all about reward and motivation.

Yes, same, it will bring a healthy economy. When the middle class prospers, the economy prospers.

Last time I checked, they called that socialism ... and all socialist economies collapse. Check out a history book.

Last time I checked, they called that socialism ... and all socialist economies collapse. Check out a history book.

Try socialist ideals, which help the middle class prosper.

.... which, of course, is absolutely false, as you well know.

.... which, of course, is absolutely false, as you well know.

You pay for most public services through taxes which is placing money in a pot, or a socialist ideal.

Obtuse, don't you think? It makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, it demonstrates a shallow and simplistic understanding of macro economics.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Meanwhile:

Your graph is bullsh#t and I will tell you why. It shows everybody equal in 1979. And that is simply NOT true.

EQUAL HELL.....IT WAS SIMPLY A STARTING POINT. In the 1940's, 50's a corporate executive earned about 12-15 times what a carpenter or plumber made. By the 1970's that multiplier had increased to about 100 times as much. Now a CEO earns about 500 times what an ordinary worker makes. You ever heard of leaving the fox to guard the chicken house?

Big difference is the companies of today are international entities. Have more employee's and more assets. The market, company boards, past experience and their successful running of the company determines their pay.

The CEO's of yesterday wouldn't be much more than mid level management in today's world.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because a healthy middle class equates to a healthy economy.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

Socialism creates peasants.

 

[OnePercenter]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because a healthy middle class equates to a healthy economy.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

I wrote socialist ideals, not socialism.

 

[OnePercenter]

" ... same raise, same bonus ..."

Yeah, let's forget all about reward and motivation.

Yes, same, it will bring a healthy economy. When the middle class prospers, the economy prospers.

Last time I checked, they called that socialism ... and all socialist economies collapse. Check out a history book.

Last time I checked, they called that socialism ... and all socialist economies collapse. Check out a history book.

Try socialist ideals, which help the middle class prosper.

.... which, of course, is absolutely false, as you well know.

.... which, of course, is absolutely false, as you well know.

You pay for most public services through taxes which is placing money in a pot, or a socialist ideal.

Obtuse, don't you think? It makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, it demonstrates a shallow and simplistic understanding of macro economics.

Obtuse, don't you think? It makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, it demonstrates a shallow and simplistic understanding of macro economics.

Thanks for your uneducated opinion. If you'd like to state fact as to where I'm wrong, go ahead.

 

[OnePercenter]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because a healthy middle class equates to a healthy economy.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

Socialism creates peasants.

Socialism creates peasants.

Without socialist ideals you couldn't afford to leave your house.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because a healthy middle class equates to a healthy economy.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

Socialism creates peasants.

Socialism creates peasants.

Without socialist ideals you couldn't afford to leave your house.

Really ? Explain.

 

[The Rabbi]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because a healthy middle class equates to a healthy economy.

Socialism does not create a middle class ... in fact, it destroys it.

Socialism creates peasants.

Socialism creates peasants.

Without socialist ideals you couldn't afford to leave your house.

Really ? Explain.

He can't. It's something he learned while getting his masters in business from Columbia. LOL!!! He's never seen the inside of a college classroom. That's obvious from his posts.
Socialism creates poverty, misery, and death where ever it's been tried. It is the most failed system in history.

 

[hadit]

This is simply unbridled Capitalism. The wealthy have the power and buy access to politicians who make them more wealthy through legislation that gives them an advantage. Blaming Presidents is ridiculous. The blame lies with the lower and middle class people who continue to elect corrupt politicians, and continue to believe in thoroughly debunked concepts like trickle down economics, and unrestrained free markets that work directly against their own best interests. Make no mistake, for many of you, the powerful are working to eliminate your job as soon as they possibly can and put you in a low paying service job, if you're not already there.
Capitalism certainly can work, but this unbridled super capitalism works only for an ever decreasing percentage of Americans.

How often do you voluntarily pay a higher price for something if you can get it cheaper? If you don't, why do you fault business owners for seeking the lowest labor costs they can get? A business does not exist to provide jobs, it exists to create a profit, and if your job doesn't help do that, it probably will disappear. That's just reality.

How often do you voluntarily pay a higher price for something if you can get it cheaper? If you don't, why do you fault business owners for seeking the lowest labor costs they can get? A business does not exist to provide jobs, it exists to create a profit, and if your job doesn't help do that, it probably will disappear. That's just reality.

wtf!! How can you equate an employee with a product? Really?????

If a business fails it's the business owners fault, NOT the fact he/she paid employees too much money.

My three keys to a successful business:

1) Five years total capital.
2) Know who to hire (which you can farm out)
3) Never, never, ever, hire family.

No, I equate an employee's WORK with a SERVICE, because that's what it is. If your job does not help the company make a profit, your job will disappear. Why would it not?

 

[hadit]

By cutting taxes on us. Bastard!!! Durr

How did that work out?

Economy got a bump, Americans kept more of their salary.
What's wrong with that?

Liberals need people flat broke and dependent on government handouts, otherwise your average liberal is about as popular as a crotch full of poison oak.

Liberals need people flat broke and dependent on government handouts, otherwise your average liberal is about as popular as a crotch full of poison oak.

The right is keeping workers flat broke. Employers have plenty of monies to pay a living wage......they don't want too.

Employers are only on the right?

Employers are only on the right?

Ninety-five percent of the employers that I personally know or have spoken with are and vote Republican.

Anecdotal evidence does not inform the totality. IOW, you know statistically insignificant numbers of employers.

 

[hadit]

My wealth went up nearly 800% during the Bush and Obama administrations, I don't know what you people are crying about.

My wealth went up nearly 800% during the Bush and Obama administrations, I don't know what you people are crying about.

And today after the implosion?

I met with my boss this afternoon, my salary is going up again plus a big bonus

I met with my boss this afternoon, my salary is going up again plus a big bonus

So you sucked AND swallowed?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

When ALL employees receive the same, the economy will be good again.

So you are a sicko, shocker.

So you are a sicko, shocker.

When ALL employees receive the same raise and bonus, the economy will be good again.

That's dumb. All employees do not represent equal value to the company. Why should a slacker get the same raise and bonus as a superstar?

 

[Slyhunter]

What does that tell you ?

They have no regard for their employees.

It's great you have such a high view of people.

It's great you have such a high view of people.

As an employer I don't have a high view of people that screw their employees, which by what I've personally observed is 95% of employers.

... which, of course, is dependent on your definition of "... screw their employees ..."

... which, of course, is dependent on your definition of "... screw their employees ..."

If an employer isn't paying at least a living wage AND healthcare, they are screwing their employee.

Living Wage Calculator

Why is the employer's responsibility to "pay at least a living wage"? Why isn't it appropriate for the worker to 1) learn to live on the wage he is qualified to earn, or 2) get better/more jobs in order to support the lifestyle he wishes to have?

So if a person is incapable of earning a living wage they should die?
When we automate everything and there are no, none skill jobs left to do what will we do with all the corpses?

 

[Slyhunter]

... which, of course, is dependent on your definition of "... screw their employees ..."

... which, of course, is dependent on your definition of "... screw their employees ..."

If an employer isn't paying at least a living wage AND healthcare, they are screwing their employee.

Living Wage Calculator

Why is the employer's responsibility to "pay at least a living wage"? Why isn't it appropriate for the worker to 1) learn to live on the wage he is qualified to earn, or 2) get better/more jobs in order to support the lifestyle he wishes to have?

Why is the employer's responsibility to "pay at least a living wage"? Why isn't it appropriate for the worker to 1) learn to live on the wage he is qualified to earn, or 2) get better/more jobs in order to support the lifestyle he wishes to have?

How much do you pay people that make you all of your money?

I pay them exactly what they're WORTH - not what they want.

I pay them exactly what they're WORTH - not what they want.

How much do you pay people that make you all of your money?

No you don't, if you did you wouldn't be able to make a profit off of them.
You pay them as little as possible and still keep a full competent staff to handle your needs.
Be honest.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because spending drives our economy fool.
If the bulk of consumers have less to spend then we have little growth.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because spending drives our economy fool.
If the bulk of consumers have less to spend then we have little growth.

Because spending drives our economy fool.

Yes, spending is much more important than production.
That's why Greece is the strongest economy in Europe.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because spending drives our economy fool.
If the bulk of consumers have less to spend then we have little growth.

Because spending drives our economy fool.

Yes, spending is much more important than production.
That's why Greece is the strongest economy in Europe.

It is dumbass. Spending creates demand. Demand increases production. See how that works?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because spending drives our economy fool.
If the bulk of consumers have less to spend then we have little growth.

Because spending drives our economy fool.

Yes, spending is much more important than production.
That's why Greece is the strongest economy in Europe.

It is dumbass. Spending creates demand. Demand increases production. See how that works?

Spending creates demand. Demand increases production.

The Greeks spent (and demanded) plenty, their production was much lower. See how that works?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

why do liberals care so much about what everybody makes? Its their life, their bills, their job, their wallet.

Because spending drives our economy fool.
If the bulk of consumers have less to spend then we have little growth.

Because spending drives our economy fool.

Yes, spending is much more important than production.
That's why Greece is the strongest economy in Europe.

It is dumbass. Spending creates demand. Demand increases production. See how that works?

Spending creates demand. Demand increases production.

The Greeks spent (and demanded) plenty, their production was much lower. See how that works?

Not govt dumbass. Consumers.

 

[kaz]

Meanwhile:

More wealth envy ...

What that chart says is that if you want more money, work harder and you'll get it. The top earners are constantly changing