The wall won't work

[Rigby5]

Where in the world has a wall not worked?

Indeed. It seems that every time that a wall has been built, and supported, it has worked. And worked well.

"Belfast is a small city, but it’s demarcated by almost 100 ‘peace walls’ that separate Catholic and Protestant areas. Once serving as peace-keeping measures, they are now, in a post-Good Friday Agreement Northern Ireland, popular tourist locations. Here’s our brief guide to Northern Ireland’s peace lines."

The Story Behind Northern Ireland’s Peace Walls


Now that the walls are coming down, there are those who feel that maybe they shouldn't....

"Last week, Belfast tore down its first peace wall. These brick and wire boundaries were strung across roads, parks and even backyards during the period of the Northern Irish Troubles, in a bid to create manageable barriers between the province’s warring communities. With the walls in place, both sides of Northern Ireland’s sectarian divide found respite from daily tension and violence on their doorstep. Now, 18 years after the Good Friday Agreement that brokered a peace deal for the region, it’s time for these relics of former strife to come down. By 2023, all of Northern Ireland’s 48 peace walls (most of them in Belfast) will be demolished, ushering in a new era in which the province’s communities can live in both proximity and harmony.

That’s the aspiration at least, and a noble one at that. But while it’s true that inter-communal violence has dropped greatly and attitudes shifted in recent decades, the reality that Belfast’s peace walls have both shaped and reflected is complex. The walls don’t just prevent street violence. The practical and psychological barriers they have put up have fostered a sense of stability that, while ultimately untenable, will require delicate renegotiation."
The Complex Process of Demolishing Belfast's 'Peace Walls'

Belfast is completely different because both sides wanted the wall.
East Berlin is a better example of trying to impose a wall, and it obviously failed completely.
Democracy and walls are contradictory.

 

[Rigby5]

Why are the Democrats against controlling illegal immigration?

Because we are a nation of immigrants, claiming ALL individuals have inherent rights, not just citizens. And because we need a larger population to compete with China and to support Social Security.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes how is anyone going to tunnel under a wall. Or construct a catapult that will shoot canvas over the top that will allow people to go over the top.

Drug cartels have already built tunnels that are 50-100 feet deep that extended a mile or more under the border. What bugwit thinks 'a wall' is going to stop anything. All it will do is drive up the cost of mules that get people across and provide a new market for cartels to provide 'access' across the border. You get two or three ten ton hydraulic rams attached to jaws that open out and you can open that grate looking thing like a can-opener anywhere you like.

Stationary defenses are always overcome. Always. The Maginot Line, The Zeigfreid Line, The Atlantic Wall, The Wall of China. Bank vaults.

All walls do is put a premium on the fee the people that overcome them get paid. A wall won't stop anything on our border.

Actually they will. There are only a few places where tunneling is possible, thus, the walls will constrict the tunnelers to those areas and with a bit of technology in the way of seismic detectors you can track the tunnel building, then when the diggers get close you seal it up with cement and they get to start over. A huge waste of time and money for them, and a nice training and technology development test for us.

Impossible. Seismic detectors have to be within 100' or so with something as quiet as digging. And near a road there would be too much background noise even for that. But it is not likely they would bother digging. They could just go around.

 

[Rigby5]

A wall is not necessary for border security, but it’s not going to hurt.

It wouldn't hurt if Mexico actually paid for it. Since they aren't, however, it will hurt. Repair our bridges, improve our roads, rebuild our airports or update our water systems instead. The wall won't stop illegal immigration. It's simply a token....a very, very, expensive token.

You guys don't care about wasting government money, so spare us the cost lesson
And walls work all the time.
and Mexico will pay for the wall. How do you lefties not know anything about power dynamics in a relationship?

Lefties do not believe in wasteful spending, but spending that saves money, like public health care, free tuition, housing subsidies, etc.
The wall won't save any money because immigrants don't cost anything, and instead they prop up agriculture and other US businesses.

Walls don't work any time. East Berlin was about the most recent attempt at a wall, and clearly it did not at all work.

There is a trade deficit with Mexico that is more than the cost of the wall, but that is private enterprise, not government money, so there is absolutely no way to divert any of that private money into public wall funding. If trade with the US somehow became more expensive, such as a tariff to pay for a wall, then Mexico would just sent its products to a different market, that did not have tariffs. So there is no way to get money out of Mexico.

What screwed up alternative history novel have you been reading?

What are you referring to?
{... Between 1945 and 1988, around 4 million East Germans migrated to the West. 3.454 million of them left between 1945 and the construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961. The great majority simply walked across the border or, after 1952, exited through West Berlin. After the border was fortified and the Berlin Wall was constructed, the number of illegal border crossings fell drastically. The numbers fell further as the border defenses were improved over the subsequent decades. In 1961, 8,507 people fled across the border, most of them through West Berlin. The construction of the Berlin Wall that year reduced the number of escapees by 75% to around 2,300 per annum for the rest of the decade. The Wall changed Berlin from being one of the easiest places to cross the border, from the East, to being one of the most difficult.[1] The number of escapees fell further to 868 per annum during the 1970s and to only 334 per annum between 1980 and 1988. However, escapees were never more than a small minority of the total number of emigrants from East Germany. Far more people left the country after being granted official permits, by fleeing through third countries or by being ransomed by the West German government. During the 1980s, only about 1% of those who left East Germany did so by escaping across the border.
...}
Escape attempts and victims of the inner German border - Wikipedia

 

[Rigby5]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

A). Just because a commando has a hard time doesn't mean a Mexican drug cartel will. They have been practicing beating walls for a long time.
B). All you need to get down from a 30 foot wall is a piece of rope.
C). Then there is the matter of stopping them from tunneling UNDER it.
D). The "Wall" should be a secondary wall with guard towers. The principle wall is a lesser barrier that you must breech first to slow you down, then cross a 25 foot gap full of barbed wire and other traps before you even get to the real wall. Anyone touching the first barrier or crossing between: shoot them dead on sight and throw their body back over. A trebuchet would work nice.

By no means am I knocking it: but with it needs to be some form of electronic detection to alert patrols of someone around or on the wall, combined with some form of lethal force. A trap door where the ground opens up and you fall into a closed pit to starve and die would be nice. Just go through every so often with a wheel loader to scoop all the dead bodies out. When the dead bodies start piling up in front of the wall, these people will think harder about trying to go over it.

A. Bullshit!
B. Jose and Consuelo are not commandos who climbing ropes for a living? Have you ever climbed down a 30 foot rope?
C. We have repeatedly discussed how tunneling is not an option in the middle of a desert!
D. How are you going to put guards on towers in the middle of BFE? It will takes hours just t put them into position, plus you would need a road to get them there. What will they do, yell at them in Spanish when they attempt to cross?

Anyone can climb a knotted rope. It is trivial, and everyone is required to climb up and down a 30' rope in jr. high school.
This is NOT a sand desert, but one of mostly clay, and very easy to tunnel in. There also has to first be a road built if you want to build a wall to start with.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Why are the Democrats against controlling illegal immigration?

Because we are a nation of immigrants, claiming ALL individuals have inherent rights, not just citizens. And because we need a larger population to compete with China and to support Social Security.

All countries have borders and immigration laws.
It's not racist or intolerant to control immigration.
What's really racist are people who believe that don't have to obey our immigration laws.
Think about it. What would happen if we stopped enforcing our immigration laws.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

What makes you think anyone has to scale it unassisted? You throw a knotted rope over, someone holds it on each end, and it is trivial for anyone healthy to climb over.
But there are rivers and obstacles that make a contiguous wall impossible, and like the Berlin wall, people can tunnel under, go around, etc. And if it worked, food prices in the US would double.

Who is going to hold it on the US side?

Anyone healthy? You had best think that through again.

You can't go around a wall that goes from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, unless you want to walk a few hundred miles and them take a LONG swim, dodging the Border Patrol boats!

 

[bripat9643]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

What makes you think anyone has to scale it unassisted? You throw a knotted rope over, someone holds it on each end, and it is trivial for anyone healthy to climb over.
But there are rivers and obstacles that make a contiguous wall impossible, and like the Berlin wall, people can tunnel under, go around, etc. And if it worked, food prices in the US would double.

Meanwhile, the border gaurds are where? You think woman and children are going to scale a 30' wall?

You dumbass snowflakes are trying so hard to delude yourselves. We have impirical evidence that shows your schemes are nothing but fantasy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

A). Just because a commando has a hard time doesn't mean a Mexican drug cartel will. They have been practicing beating walls for a long time.
B). All you need to get down from a 30 foot wall is a piece of rope.
C). Then there is the matter of stopping them from tunneling UNDER it.
D). The "Wall" should be a secondary wall with guard towers. The principle wall is a lesser barrier that you must breech first to slow you down, then cross a 25 foot gap full of barbed wire and other traps before you even get to the real wall. Anyone touching the first barrier or crossing between: shoot them dead on sight and throw their body back over. A trebuchet would work nice.

By no means am I knocking it: but with it needs to be some form of electronic detection to alert patrols of someone around or on the wall, combined with some form of lethal force. A trap door where the ground opens up and you fall into a closed pit to starve and die would be nice. Just go through every so often with a wheel loader to scoop all the dead bodies out. When the dead bodies start piling up in front of the wall, these people will think harder about trying to go over it.

A. Bullshit!
B. Jose and Consuelo are not commandos who climbing ropes for a living? Have you ever climbed down a 30 foot rope?
C. We have repeatedly discussed how tunneling is not an option in the middle of a desert!
D. How are you going to put guards on towers in the middle of BFE? It will takes hours just t put them into position, plus you would need a road to get them there. What will they do, yell at them in Spanish when they attempt to cross?

Anyone can climb a knotted rope. It is trivial, and everyone is required to climb up and down a 30' rope in jr. high school.
This is NOT a sand desert, but one of mostly clay, and very easy to tunnel in. There also has to first be a road built if you want to build a wall to start with.

Bullshit! Pure bullshit! Try selling that crap someplace else.

That 30 foot rope claim in jr.high is false. How do I know? I am a retired teacher. Schools don't even have those ropes anymore because of all the kids who were hurt trying to do that! It was a nightmare!

Actually, it is a rock desert. Learn some geography or look at some pictures. You can't tunnel without being seen!

The road is on our side!

My God, just how big of a dumb ass are you?

 

[bripat9643]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

What makes you think anyone has to scale it unassisted? You throw a knotted rope over, someone holds it on each end, and it is trivial for anyone healthy to climb over.
But there are rivers and obstacles that make a contiguous wall impossible, and like the Berlin wall, people can tunnel under, go around, etc. And if it worked, food prices in the US would double.

Who is going to hold it on the US side?

Anyone healthy? You had best think that through again.

You can't go around a wall that goes from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, unless you want to walk a few hundred miles and them take a LONG swim, dodging the Border Patrol boats!

If the border wall was really so easy to get around, they wouldn't be trying so hard to shoot it down. They're afraid of it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where in the world has a wall not worked?

Indeed. It seems that every time that a wall has been built, and supported, it has worked. And worked well.

"Belfast is a small city, but it’s demarcated by almost 100 ‘peace walls’ that separate Catholic and Protestant areas. Once serving as peace-keeping measures, they are now, in a post-Good Friday Agreement Northern Ireland, popular tourist locations. Here’s our brief guide to Northern Ireland’s peace lines."

The Story Behind Northern Ireland’s Peace Walls


Now that the walls are coming down, there are those who feel that maybe they shouldn't....

"Last week, Belfast tore down its first peace wall. These brick and wire boundaries were strung across roads, parks and even backyards during the period of the Northern Irish Troubles, in a bid to create manageable barriers between the province’s warring communities. With the walls in place, both sides of Northern Ireland’s sectarian divide found respite from daily tension and violence on their doorstep. Now, 18 years after the Good Friday Agreement that brokered a peace deal for the region, it’s time for these relics of former strife to come down. By 2023, all of Northern Ireland’s 48 peace walls (most of them in Belfast) will be demolished, ushering in a new era in which the province’s communities can live in both proximity and harmony.

That’s the aspiration at least, and a noble one at that. But while it’s true that inter-communal violence has dropped greatly and attitudes shifted in recent decades, the reality that Belfast’s peace walls have both shaped and reflected is complex. The walls don’t just prevent street violence. The practical and psychological barriers they have put up have fostered a sense of stability that, while ultimately untenable, will require delicate renegotiation."
The Complex Process of Demolishing Belfast's 'Peace Walls'

Belfast is completely different because both sides wanted the wall.
East Berlin is a better example of trying to impose a wall, and it obviously failed completely.
Democracy and walls are contradictory.

The Berlin Wall failed? You need to go back and learn your history again, dumb ass!

Our wall is to keep people out. The same as Israeli's walls.

Communist walls were built to keep people in.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

What makes you think anyone has to scale it unassisted? You throw a knotted rope over, someone holds it on each end, and it is trivial for anyone healthy to climb over.
But there are rivers and obstacles that make a contiguous wall impossible, and like the Berlin wall, people can tunnel under, go around, etc. And if it worked, food prices in the US would double.

Who is going to hold it on the US side?

Anyone healthy? You had best think that through again.

You can't go around a wall that goes from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, unless you want to walk a few hundred miles and them take a LONG swim, dodging the Border Patrol boats!

If the border wall was really so easy to get around, they wouldn't be trying so hard to shoot it down. They're afraid of it.

Exactly! They know it will cut illegal immigration on that border to a trickle, down from the creek we have now under Trump and the river we had under Obama.

 

[bripat9643]

Where in the world has a wall not worked?

Indeed. It seems that every time that a wall has been built, and supported, it has worked. And worked well.

"Belfast is a small city, but it’s demarcated by almost 100 ‘peace walls’ that separate Catholic and Protestant areas. Once serving as peace-keeping measures, they are now, in a post-Good Friday Agreement Northern Ireland, popular tourist locations. Here’s our brief guide to Northern Ireland’s peace lines."

The Story Behind Northern Ireland’s Peace Walls


Now that the walls are coming down, there are those who feel that maybe they shouldn't....

"Last week, Belfast tore down its first peace wall. These brick and wire boundaries were strung across roads, parks and even backyards during the period of the Northern Irish Troubles, in a bid to create manageable barriers between the province’s warring communities. With the walls in place, both sides of Northern Ireland’s sectarian divide found respite from daily tension and violence on their doorstep. Now, 18 years after the Good Friday Agreement that brokered a peace deal for the region, it’s time for these relics of former strife to come down. By 2023, all of Northern Ireland’s 48 peace walls (most of them in Belfast) will be demolished, ushering in a new era in which the province’s communities can live in both proximity and harmony.

That’s the aspiration at least, and a noble one at that. But while it’s true that inter-communal violence has dropped greatly and attitudes shifted in recent decades, the reality that Belfast’s peace walls have both shaped and reflected is complex. The walls don’t just prevent street violence. The practical and psychological barriers they have put up have fostered a sense of stability that, while ultimately untenable, will require delicate renegotiation."
The Complex Process of Demolishing Belfast's 'Peace Walls'

Belfast is completely different because both sides wanted the wall.
East Berlin is a better example of trying to impose a wall, and it obviously failed completely.
Democracy and walls are contradictory.

The wall failed completely? How fucking stupid are you? How many people crossed from East to West after the wall, and how many crossed before the wall? I gaurantedd you the number for before is about 10,000 times bigger than the number after.

You snowflake morons just throw out claims that are complete and utter bullshit.

 

[westwall]

Yes how is anyone going to tunnel under a wall. Or construct a catapult that will shoot canvas over the top that will allow people to go over the top.

Drug cartels have already built tunnels that are 50-100 feet deep that extended a mile or more under the border. What bugwit thinks 'a wall' is going to stop anything. All it will do is drive up the cost of mules that get people across and provide a new market for cartels to provide 'access' across the border. You get two or three ten ton hydraulic rams attached to jaws that open out and you can open that grate looking thing like a can-opener anywhere you like.

Stationary defenses are always overcome. Always. The Maginot Line, The Zeigfreid Line, The Atlantic Wall, The Wall of China. Bank vaults.

All walls do is put a premium on the fee the people that overcome them get paid. A wall won't stop anything on our border.

Actually they will. There are only a few places where tunneling is possible, thus, the walls will constrict the tunnelers to those areas and with a bit of technology in the way of seismic detectors you can track the tunnel building, then when the diggers get close you seal it up with cement and they get to start over. A huge waste of time and money for them, and a nice training and technology development test for us.

Impossible. Seismic detectors have to be within 100' or so with something as quiet as digging. And near a road there would be too much background noise even for that. But it is not likely they would bother digging. They could just go around.

You might be correct twenty years ago, but the seismic detectors have become far more sensitive. Digging is actually quite loud. Footsteps aren't, and they can detect those over 300 feet away depending on soil type.

 

[westwall]

Where in the world has a wall not worked?

Indeed. It seems that every time that a wall has been built, and supported, it has worked. And worked well.

"Belfast is a small city, but it’s demarcated by almost 100 ‘peace walls’ that separate Catholic and Protestant areas. Once serving as peace-keeping measures, they are now, in a post-Good Friday Agreement Northern Ireland, popular tourist locations. Here’s our brief guide to Northern Ireland’s peace lines."

The Story Behind Northern Ireland’s Peace Walls


Now that the walls are coming down, there are those who feel that maybe they shouldn't....

"Last week, Belfast tore down its first peace wall. These brick and wire boundaries were strung across roads, parks and even backyards during the period of the Northern Irish Troubles, in a bid to create manageable barriers between the province’s warring communities. With the walls in place, both sides of Northern Ireland’s sectarian divide found respite from daily tension and violence on their doorstep. Now, 18 years after the Good Friday Agreement that brokered a peace deal for the region, it’s time for these relics of former strife to come down. By 2023, all of Northern Ireland’s 48 peace walls (most of them in Belfast) will be demolished, ushering in a new era in which the province’s communities can live in both proximity and harmony.

That’s the aspiration at least, and a noble one at that. But while it’s true that inter-communal violence has dropped greatly and attitudes shifted in recent decades, the reality that Belfast’s peace walls have both shaped and reflected is complex. The walls don’t just prevent street violence. The practical and psychological barriers they have put up have fostered a sense of stability that, while ultimately untenable, will require delicate renegotiation."
The Complex Process of Demolishing Belfast's 'Peace Walls'

Belfast is completely different because both sides wanted the wall.
East Berlin is a better example of trying to impose a wall, and it obviously failed completely.
Democracy and walls are contradictory.

No, they're not. Athens had the Long Walls. Thebes had their walls. The only place that didn't have walls was Sparta and they weren't a democracy. You need to learn some history dude. Just sayin...

 

[Rigby5]

Why are the Democrats against controlling illegal immigration?

Because we are a nation of immigrants, claiming ALL individuals have inherent rights, not just citizens. And because we need a larger population to compete with China and to support Social Security.

All countries have borders and immigration laws.
It's not racist or intolerant to control immigration.
What's really racist are people who believe that don't have to obey our immigration laws.
Think about it. What would happen if we stopped enforcing our immigration laws.

...

Most countries do not claim to be a democracy built by immigrants like the US is. And in most countries, immigration laws mean you have to sign a list and take a pledge. That is about all. It is racist and intolerant to prevent immigration of American natives from places like Mexico, considering they used of own about a forth of this country. Our immigration laws are unfair and immoral. Nor are they at all necessary.

 

[Spare_change]

Your claims fail to explain why the walls that Israel and Austria built have a better than 95% success rate.

Because I don't care about Israel and Austria! I am all for the wall that Mexico is going to pay for, just not the one the American taxpayer is going to pay for!

Yeah, sure you are.

Who do you think you're fooling, douchebag?

Were we not told that Mexico was paying for the wall? If Mexico pays for it I am all for it. You were hoaxed again you after school special!

Mexico will pay for the wall ... in several ways. You need to stop being stupid ... If you like, I'll be happy to educate you on how Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

So the Mexican government is taking money out of their treasury and handing it over to us like Rump said. They are going to fund the building and maintaining of the wall like we were told? This will get interesting!

Is that what Trump said? Or, is that what you want to believe Trump said? Grow up.

 

[Spare_change]

This convenient canard that US business promotes, and fosters, illegal immigration is, simply, a liberal lie.

Take the time to do the research ---- investigate where these illegal immigrants are supposedly working - check out how much they are paid, look at what documentation they are required to produce.

Yes, they work at US businesses, who find ways to get around the documentation check by saying, "Well, it looked legit to me. You mean his name wasn't "John Smith", it was "Juan Lopez"?

The other trick these slimy businesses use is to hire temp agencies who send "Contractors". They know what they are getting.

Crack down and fine the businesses the demand will dry up. Period.

Utterly nonsensical. Clearly, you have no knowledge of the worker documentation process.

Quit being so stupid.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes how is anyone going to tunnel under a wall. Or construct a catapult that will shoot canvas over the top that will allow people to go over the top.

Drug cartels have already built tunnels that are 50-100 feet deep that extended a mile or more under the border. What bugwit thinks 'a wall' is going to stop anything. All it will do is drive up the cost of mules that get people across and provide a new market for cartels to provide 'access' across the border. You get two or three ten ton hydraulic rams attached to jaws that open out and you can open that grate looking thing like a can-opener anywhere you like.

Stationary defenses are always overcome. Always. The Maginot Line, The Zeigfreid Line, The Atlantic Wall, The Wall of China. Bank vaults.

All walls do is put a premium on the fee the people that overcome them get paid. A wall won't stop anything on our border.

Actually they will. There are only a few places where tunneling is possible, thus, the walls will constrict the tunnelers to those areas and with a bit of technology in the way of seismic detectors you can track the tunnel building, then when the diggers get close you seal it up with cement and they get to start over. A huge waste of time and money for them, and a nice training and technology development test for us.

Impossible. Seismic detectors have to be within 100' or so with something as quiet as digging. And near a road there would be too much background noise even for that. But it is not likely they would bother digging. They could just go around.

You might be correct twenty years ago, but the seismic detectors have become far more sensitive. Digging is actually quite loud. Footsteps aren't, and they can detect those over 300 feet away depending on soil type.

If we assume every 300 feet, since the border is about 2000 miles long, that is over 40,000 sensors.
And they won't work near rivers, roads, or anything generating noise. And while shovels are loud, you can use a rotary auger that is quieter than a foot step. Foot steps actually are VERY loud, but just too low of frequency for humans to hear.

 

[Spare_change]

Where is this mythical "cheap labor" you keep crowing about???? Check out their wages.

Are you willing to be stopped on the streets and asked for YOUR National ID??? Are you willing to go to jail because you left it in your desk? Maybe the answer is to tattoo "registration numbers" on their wrist, right???

I carry my driver license on me at all times. Plenty of room in my wallet.

But here's the thing. If you link the National ID to a picture, and I give you my social security number and it pops up with a picture of a middle aged balding guy, then they will know it's me.

If you pop in that number and the person using it is a young Hispanic male who doesn't look like me at all, you know he's probably trying to pass off a fake document.

We have a problem because people are knowingly and willingly hiring people they know are illegals. Even if they had documents that "looked good enough", you can tell after a week or so they probably aren't who they say they are... if you cared.

Yep - you can definitely tell after a week. After all, they're BROWN!!! You can see it in their eyes ---- your intuition is absolutely infallible. I mean --- you just KNOW!!! We don't need no stinking visa system --- you just KNOW!

Got any idea just exactly how stupid, and racist, you sound?