The World Is Sick Of Israeli Atrocities...

[toastman]

Always been team Israel's ground rules that Palestine was never a nation just an undefined area in the M.E.

It was a population in constant flux with highs and lows throughout history but it never reached it occupational density of pre roman times after the diaspora. Even the arab muslims shunned the land because it was too harsh and not easily tamed.

The people who inhabited the region did exist, but arab muslims did not for 700 years after the diaspora. Then after holding control of a small part they were beaten and expelled by the Crusaders.

The census is correct but I wonder how many of those muslims were arab and how many were Turkish, Egyptian or Iranian all non arab muslims . I also wonder how many people were refused the right to fill in the census forms, or duplicated the forms. This happened in the Palestinian territories only a short time ago so that UNWRA could get more money for the terrorists.

A load of bullshit as usual.

Palestinians, people of the Roman provinces of Palestina have been of many religions ranging from those that worshiped the Roman religions, Judaism, Christianity and most recently Islam. They are the same people whatever the religion or language they speak.

In fact, Palestine has always been one of the most fertile of the Middle East and there were few areas not being cultivated in the late 1800s, as confirmed by Ahad Ha'am after one of his visits to the area in the late 1800s:

"We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow."

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

As far as the demographic make up prior to the 1850s and after we have confirmation of that to via the Mandatory's Interim Report of 1921, which confirms that there were but a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850 and that the Muslims made up four fifths of the population in 1921.and that they were not Arabs (only Bedouins are pure Arabians), but of mixed race, which is what Palestinians have always been:

"Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants..... Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews"

. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

From that same report we see this


Length of Recidence in Palestine
(p 87 & p 98)The pre-war population accounts for 9,473 persons, which is slightly less than one-third of the present population, whereas the rest are post-war immigrants. Some 10.000 persons settled since 1924, since the so called middle-class immigration.

Length of residence in Years	Men	Women	Children	Total	%
1	1504	1118	1746	4368	14,2
2	2406	2020	1575	6001	19,6
3	1311	913	1133	3357	11,5
4	695	556	720	1971	6,4
5	682	454	513	1649	5,4
6	856	403	390	1649	5,4
7	682	277	379	1358	4,3
8	139	45	261	445	1,5
9	39	10	200	249	0,8
10-13	237	218	893	1348	4,4
14-20	1882	1630	216	3728	12,1
21-29	864	800	-	1664	5,4
Over 30	836	930	-	1766	5,8
Unspecified	336	281	350	967	3,2
Total	12469	9655	8376	30500	100 %

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Whether there was significant Arab immigration into Palestine after the beginning of Jewish settlement there in the late 19th century has become a matter of some controversy. According to Martin Gilbert, 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".[47] The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1.2 million in 1948. The estimates on the scope of Arab immigration to Palestine during this period range from insignificant numbers to almost 300 000.[citation needed] According to Itzhak Galnoor, although most of Arab population increase came from natural increase, the Arab immigration to Palestine was not insignificant. Based on his estimates approximately 100 000 Arabs immigrated to Palestine between 1922 and 1948.[48]

The 1931 census of Palestine considered the question of illegal immigration since the previous census in 1922.[55] It estimated that unrecorded immigration during that period may have amounted to 9,000 Jews and 4,000 Arabs.[55] It also gave the proportion of persons living in Palestine in 1931 who were born outside Palestine: Muslims, 2%; Christians, 20%; Jews, 58%
In a 1974 study, Bachi proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported.[56] He noted the impossibility of estimating illegal immigration that was undetected, or the fraction of those persons who eventually departed.[56] He suggested, though qualifying it as a "mere guess", that the unexplained increase in the Muslim population between 1922 and 1931 was due to a combination of unrecorded immigration (using the 1931 census report estimate) and undercounting in the 1922 census
Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, Wiki Zionist tainted material as opposed to source documents. Well done Phoney, you really know how to make a point. Now let's get the facts from the Report of the Mandatory:

As can be seen below in the table included in His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of 1937, Muslim increase via migration was 25,168 during the period Jewish increase through migration was 245,433.

"6. The estimated total population has increased in the 15 years from 1922 to the middle of 1937, by 631,272 persons. The increase is due to immigration and to the excess of births over deaths, the allocation of the total increases between these two factors being estimated to be as follows:--

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

You are just making a fool of yourself. Facts are facts. Lying or using tainted backup like you do is easily discovered.

Ah, so now wikipedia is a Zionist source hahha. You have a pathetic excuse for everything

You're a glutton for punishment:

" two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups World news The Guardian

"This example demonstrates how good articles full of useful information are systematically edited to remove material from reputable sources (if it does not suit the Zionist aims) and add information from other, often dubious sources. No matter what the topic, the Israeli version must come first and there are constant problems trying to maintain neutral tone and avoid weasel words."

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia's_Hasbara

"u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit



US Dept of Justice IP address blocked after 'vandalism' edits to Wikipediaexcerpt:Wikinews has learned that a United States Department of Justice (DOJ) IP Address has been blocked on Wikipedia after making edits to an article which were considered "vandalism". In two separate instances, the IP address from the DOJ removed information from the Wikipedia article about the organization Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), regarding an attempt by the organization to secretly gain influence on the site. The IP address has been confirmed by Wikinews to be registered and used by the DOJ located in Washington, D.C."

we saw that... u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit....2013

Embedded media from this media site is no longer available

"Troll editing on Wikipedia has been linked directly to such quasi-Israeli government entities as the media "watchdog" operation "CAMERA," or Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America." CAMERA, formed in 1982 by a group of Jewish activists in Boston tied to the Israeli government, has been the bane of many a newspaper editor or television news reporter. The group had a vendetta against ABC's Peter Jennings and the formerly rather unbiased National Public Radio for their even-handed Middle East reporting. At least five Wikipedia editors were found to be trolling for CAMERA and they were suspended. However, the rules governing Wikipedia permit many other CAMERA and pro-Israel trolls to operate with impunity.

Outside the CAMERA infrastructure, other Israeli groups also troll Wikipedia. Special Wikipedia editing classes have been sponsored on illegal settlements in the West Bank by the organizations Yesha Council and Israel Sheli. CAMERA's efforts were joined by the Hasbara Foundation (Hasbara is the term used for any Jew around the world who advances the propaganda of Israel). In 2007, the Hasbara Foundation, decrying the presence of unbiased information on Israel on Wikipedia, targeted certain editors' entries. The Hasbara Foundation claimed, "These authors have systematically yet subtly rewritten key passages of thousands of Wikipedia entries to portray Israel in a negative light. You have the opportunity to stop this dangerous trend! If you are interested in joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately, please contact [the Hasbara Foundation] director."

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Man you're stupid. ANYONE is allowed to edit wikipedia. Not to mention pro Palestinians here use it all the time.
The issue with you is that you cannot handle the truth, so you always make bullshit excuses. It's the pro Palestinians way

 

[docmauser1]

Coyote, et al,

What are the pre-conditions?

Again. What does this have to do with the false claim that Israel had no preconditions?

(OBSERVATION)

Netanyahu Reiterates Israeli Preconditions For “Peace”

Monday October 28, 2013 05:42

by Saed Bannoura -
[Sunday October 27, 2013] Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, stated that Tel Aviv is seeking peace with the Palestinians, but reiterated Israeli preconditions and demands to recognize Israel as a Jewish State, and drop the internationally guaranteed Right of Return of the Palestinian Refugees.​

(COMMENT)

Is there such a thing as an "internationally guaranteed Right of Return of the Palestinian Refugees?" And if so, what does that guarantee say?
Most Respectfully,
R

In the article you listed he also said: “We insist that Jerusalem will always be the united capital of Israel, the Palestinians must recognize Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people”, Netanyahu said, “The Palestinians have no national rights in the state of Israel”. He must be out of his mind, the utter arrogance of the man.

They have all their "national rights" in palistan, of course. Having palistan and Israel too is too much of a good thingie for them, indeed.

 

[docmauser1]

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Arabist manipulators, calling others manipulators. Funny.

 

[Kondor3]

The sooner the Palestinians run-up the White Flag of surrender, the sooner the healing can begin.

The Palestinians are the losers in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and, of course, the Losers in a war do not dictate the terms of peace.

That's not arrogance... that's the way the Real World works.

They will never surrender or bow to the Israeli boot...

Read the History of all previous Western footholds in this Sea of Islam...Time is their Weapon along with constant pressure and small fires...

How nice for you.

Bad for the Palestinians, though.

 

[docmauser1]

Uh. No. They are pre-conditions - conditions demanded prior to any negotiations.

• A one-sided end to violence: Palestinians must prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, but Israel can continue to not only attack Palestinian areas in the Gaza Strip with missiles, but they can also target Palestinians in the West Bank.
• Palestinians accept Israeli confiscations of West Bank land around East Jerusalem and accept the expansion of settlements in the West Bank - Jerusalem remains undivided.
• Palestinians must recognize Israel as a Jewish State.

1. If palistanians don't prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, it doesn't pay bitching about Israel, taking care of them palistanian extremists for them, of course.
2. Since palistanian settlers don't have borders and are extremely shy of having a state they want so much but are unwilling to work for, they don't really have to call others settlers, of course.
3. Jerusalem is an annexed territory.
4. The fact that palistanians are having an occupation to live off of doesn't mean that we must take them seriously.

 

[Kondor3]

The sooner the Palestinians run-up the White Flag of surrender, the sooner the healing can begin.

The Palestinians are the losers in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and, of course, the Losers in a war do not dictate the terms of peace.

That's not arrogance... that's the way the Real World works.

They will never surrender or bow to the Israeli boot...

Read the History of all previous Western footholds in this Sea of Islam...Time is their Weapon along with constant pressure and small fires...

Until they come up against the next Gates of Vienna and are thrown back, humiliated and defeated with the loss of all the lands they stole by force and most of their fighters. The next Gates of Vienna is fast approaching for the muslims

It will be the Gates of Jerusalem.

 

[Coyote]

Both sides are stuck in that same rut. Have you forgotten Israel's many pre-conditions over the years?

What are they?

...

It's become almost normal for Palestinians and Israelis who support peace to find themselves at the same old roadblock, going nowhere fast. The only thing moving are the extremists, who continue to pave the way to the mutual destruction of both sides.

Laughable, which is, of course, acceptable from a comedian. The little problem is that, how many palistanian "supporters of peace" are there? Five, ten, twenty of them? Israeli leftists used to gather tens of thousands of peaceniks on the Rabin's square in Tel Aviv. How many palistanian "peaceniks" gathered in Ramallah? Nil will be about right, of course. Now the majority of israeli peaceniks are gone, because they understood that, whatever the place one kisses a palistanian on, it's always an ass.

And this spew has what to do with the false claim by some that Israel had no pre-conditions?

And I was wondering what Hananiya's "peaceful palistanian" babblings have to do with the israeli preconditions too.

Israeli and Palestinian leaders refuse to talk about the steps necessary to make peace. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has imposed several pre-conditions for peace talks to resume. They include the demand for a one-sided end to violence: Palestinians must prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, but Israel can continue to not only attack Palestinian areas in the Gaza Strip with missiles, but they can also target Palestinians in the West Bank.

Same old general palistanian humiliational-occupational drivel, of course. They should get a life and a job, and Hananiya ahould stick to comedy.
The words of Gladden Schrock describe palistanians perfecto:
"I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition."

Again. What does this have to do with the false claim that Israel had no preconditions?

I don't remember ever making such claim. Who made it for me?

I did not say *you* made that claim or that someone else did on your behalf. My post, which you responded to and the posts that preceded it were about that false claim that several have made. I merely wondered what your response had to do with what I was talking about since there seems to be no connection.

 

[montelatici]

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Arabist manipulators, calling others manipulators. Funny.

"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

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"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

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[Coyote]

Uh. No. They are pre-conditions - conditions demanded prior to any negotiations.

• A one-sided end to violence: Palestinians must prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, but Israel can continue to not only attack Palestinian areas in the Gaza Strip with missiles, but they can also target Palestinians in the West Bank.
• Palestinians accept Israeli confiscations of West Bank land around East Jerusalem and accept the expansion of settlements in the West Bank - Jerusalem remains undivided.
• Palestinians must recognize Israel as a Jewish State.

• [1]If palistanians don't prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, it doesn't pay bitching about Israel, taking care of them palistanian extremists for them, of course.[1]Since palistanian settlers don't have borders and are extremely shy of having a state they want so much but are unwilling to work for, they don't really have to call others settlers, of course.[1]Jerusalem is an annexed territory.[1]The fact that palistanians are having an occupation to live off of doesn't mean that we must take them seriously.

So...? What's your point?

I'm not saying one way or the other on the validity of the pre-conditions from either side. I'm pointing out that both sides are engaging in extensive demands for pre-conditions to be met prior to any talks of peace. Demanding pre-conditions seems detrimental to the process. They should hash it out at the table.

 

[Coyote]

zionists manipulating wiki - Google Search

Arabist manipulators, calling others manipulators. Funny.

"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

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"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/wikipedia-editing-for-zionists/

Everyone edits Wiki - from all sides. You especially see it around election times.

But then again - all you have to do is use your brain and track down the sources, and the arguments and who's who that has made changes and what the original text was.

Or, just go to the sources and see what they say. At least wiki makes a note when claims are made without a citation or the claims are thin.

 

[montelatici]

A load of bullshit as usual.

Palestinians, people of the Roman provinces of Palestina have been of many religions ranging from those that worshiped the Roman religions, Judaism, Christianity and most recently Islam. They are the same people whatever the religion or language they speak.

In fact, Palestine has always been one of the most fertile of the Middle East and there were few areas not being cultivated in the late 1800s, as confirmed by Ahad Ha'am after one of his visits to the area in the late 1800s:

"We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow."

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

As far as the demographic make up prior to the 1850s and after we have confirmation of that to via the Mandatory's Interim Report of 1921, which confirms that there were but a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850 and that the Muslims made up four fifths of the population in 1921.and that they were not Arabs (only Bedouins are pure Arabians), but of mixed race, which is what Palestinians have always been:

"Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants..... Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews"

. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

From that same report we see this


Length of Recidence in Palestine
(p 87 & p 98)The pre-war population accounts for 9,473 persons, which is slightly less than one-third of the present population, whereas the rest are post-war immigrants. Some 10.000 persons settled since 1924, since the so called middle-class immigration.

Length of residence in Years	Men	Women	Children	Total	%
1	1504	1118	1746	4368	14,2
2	2406	2020	1575	6001	19,6
3	1311	913	1133	3357	11,5
4	695	556	720	1971	6,4
5	682	454	513	1649	5,4
6	856	403	390	1649	5,4
7	682	277	379	1358	4,3
8	139	45	261	445	1,5
9	39	10	200	249	0,8
10-13	237	218	893	1348	4,4
14-20	1882	1630	216	3728	12,1
21-29	864	800	-	1664	5,4
Over 30	836	930	-	1766	5,8
Unspecified	336	281	350	967	3,2
Total	12469	9655	8376	30500	100 %

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Whether there was significant Arab immigration into Palestine after the beginning of Jewish settlement there in the late 19th century has become a matter of some controversy. According to Martin Gilbert, 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".[47] The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1.2 million in 1948. The estimates on the scope of Arab immigration to Palestine during this period range from insignificant numbers to almost 300 000.[citation needed] According to Itzhak Galnoor, although most of Arab population increase came from natural increase, the Arab immigration to Palestine was not insignificant. Based on his estimates approximately 100 000 Arabs immigrated to Palestine between 1922 and 1948.[48]

The 1931 census of Palestine considered the question of illegal immigration since the previous census in 1922.[55] It estimated that unrecorded immigration during that period may have amounted to 9,000 Jews and 4,000 Arabs.[55] It also gave the proportion of persons living in Palestine in 1931 who were born outside Palestine: Muslims, 2%; Christians, 20%; Jews, 58%
In a 1974 study, Bachi proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported.[56] He noted the impossibility of estimating illegal immigration that was undetected, or the fraction of those persons who eventually departed.[56] He suggested, though qualifying it as a "mere guess", that the unexplained increase in the Muslim population between 1922 and 1931 was due to a combination of unrecorded immigration (using the 1931 census report estimate) and undercounting in the 1922 census
Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, Wiki Zionist tainted material as opposed to source documents. Well done Phoney, you really know how to make a point. Now let's get the facts from the Report of the Mandatory:

As can be seen below in the table included in His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of 1937, Muslim increase via migration was 25,168 during the period Jewish increase through migration was 245,433.

"6. The estimated total population has increased in the 15 years from 1922 to the middle of 1937, by 631,272 persons. The increase is due to immigration and to the excess of births over deaths, the allocation of the total increases between these two factors being estimated to be as follows:--

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

You are just making a fool of yourself. Facts are facts. Lying or using tainted backup like you do is easily discovered.

Ah, so now wikipedia is a Zionist source hahha. You have a pathetic excuse for everything

You're a glutton for punishment:

" two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups World news The Guardian

"This example demonstrates how good articles full of useful information are systematically edited to remove material from reputable sources (if it does not suit the Zionist aims) and add information from other, often dubious sources. No matter what the topic, the Israeli version must come first and there are constant problems trying to maintain neutral tone and avoid weasel words."

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia's_Hasbara

"u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit



US Dept of Justice IP address blocked after 'vandalism' edits to Wikipediaexcerpt:Wikinews has learned that a United States Department of Justice (DOJ) IP Address has been blocked on Wikipedia after making edits to an article which were considered "vandalism". In two separate instances, the IP address from the DOJ removed information from the Wikipedia article about the organization Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), regarding an attempt by the organization to secretly gain influence on the site. The IP address has been confirmed by Wikinews to be registered and used by the DOJ located in Washington, D.C."

we saw that... u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit....2013

Embedded media from this media site is no longer available

"Troll editing on Wikipedia has been linked directly to such quasi-Israeli government entities as the media "watchdog" operation "CAMERA," or Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America." CAMERA, formed in 1982 by a group of Jewish activists in Boston tied to the Israeli government, has been the bane of many a newspaper editor or television news reporter. The group had a vendetta against ABC's Peter Jennings and the formerly rather unbiased National Public Radio for their even-handed Middle East reporting. At least five Wikipedia editors were found to be trolling for CAMERA and they were suspended. However, the rules governing Wikipedia permit many other CAMERA and pro-Israel trolls to operate with impunity.

Outside the CAMERA infrastructure, other Israeli groups also troll Wikipedia. Special Wikipedia editing classes have been sponsored on illegal settlements in the West Bank by the organizations Yesha Council and Israel Sheli. CAMERA's efforts were joined by the Hasbara Foundation (Hasbara is the term used for any Jew around the world who advances the propaganda of Israel). In 2007, the Hasbara Foundation, decrying the presence of unbiased information on Israel on Wikipedia, targeted certain editors' entries. The Hasbara Foundation claimed, "These authors have systematically yet subtly rewritten key passages of thousands of Wikipedia entries to portray Israel in a negative light. You have the opportunity to stop this dangerous trend! If you are interested in joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately, please contact [the Hasbara Foundation] director."

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Man you're stupid. ANYONE is allowed to edit wikipedia. Not to mention pro Palestinians here use it all the time.
The issue with you is that you cannot handle the truth, so you always make bullshit excuses. It's the pro Palestinians way

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.


"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

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[pbel]

The sooner the Palestinians run-up the White Flag of surrender, the sooner the healing can begin.

The Palestinians are the losers in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and, of course, the Losers in a war do not dictate the terms of peace.

That's not arrogance... that's the way the Real World works.

They will never surrender or bow to the Israeli boot...

Read the History of all previous Western footholds in this Sea of Islam...Time is their Weapon along with constant pressure and small fires...

How nice for you.

Bad for the Palestinians, though.

The Palestinians are the least of Israel's problems in the long-term if a peace deal is not reached.

 

[docmauser1]

Uh. No. They are pre-conditions - conditions demanded prior to any negotiations.

• A one-sided end to violence: Palestinians must prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, but Israel can continue to not only attack Palestinian areas in the Gaza Strip with missiles, but they can also target Palestinians in the West Bank.
• Palestinians accept Israeli confiscations of West Bank land around East Jerusalem and accept the expansion of settlements in the West Bank - Jerusalem remains undivided.
• Palestinians must recognize Israel as a Jewish State.

1. If palistanians don't prevent their extremists from committing acts of violence, it doesn't pay bitching about Israel, taking care of them palistanian extremists for them, of course.
2. Since palistanian settlers don't have borders and are extremely shy of having a state they want so much but are unwilling to work for, they don't really have to call others settlers, of course.
3. Jerusalem is an annexed territory.
4. The fact that palistanians are having an occupation to live off of doesn't mean that we must take them seriously.

So...? What's your point?

In the most general term - palistanians do not want a state. That's it.

I'm not saying one way or the other on the validity of the pre-conditions from either side. I'm pointing out that both sides are engaging in extensive demands for pre-conditions to be met prior to any talks of peace. Demanding pre-conditions seems detrimental to the process. They should hash it out at the table.

 

[montelatici]

zionists manipulating wiki - Google Search

Arabist manipulators, calling others manipulators. Funny.

"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

Advertisement

"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/wikipedia-editing-for-zionists/

Everyone edits Wiki - from all sides. You especially see it around election times.

But then again - all you have to do is use your brain and track down the sources, and the arguments and who's who that has made changes and what the original text was.

Or, just go to the sources and see what they say. At least wiki makes a note when claims are made without a citation or the claims are thin.

Why not use source documents, they don't change. There are a surprisingly low number of people that actually do the editing on wikipedia, frankly I don't trust it for information related to contentious issues and try to use it as little as possible to make my points:

"So did the Gang of 500 actually write Wikipedia? Wales decided to run a simple study to find out: he counted who made the most edits to the site. "I expected to find something like an 80-20 rule: 80% of the work being done by 20% of the users, just because that seems to come up a lot. But it's actually much, much tighter than that: it turns out over 50% of all the edits are done by just .7% of the users ... 524 people. ... And in fact the most active 2%, which is 1400 people, have done 73.4% of all the edits." The remaining 25% of edits, he said, were from "people who [are] contributing ... a minor change of a fact or a minor spelling fix ... or something like that."

Read more: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia Anyway - Business Insider

 

[docmauser1]

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.

It's the best joke, so far, after the one about those major arab settlers, who got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine.

 

[montelatici]

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.

It's the best joke, so far, after the one about those major arab settlers, who got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine.

Oh, you mean the data reported by the British from the Mandate Land Registries in the 1946 Survey of Palestine prepared for the UN? Well let's see them again. Oh dear what a come down after believing the propaganda LOL

 

[toastman]

From that same report we see this


Length of Recidence in Palestine
(p 87 & p 98)The pre-war population accounts for 9,473 persons, which is slightly less than one-third of the present population, whereas the rest are post-war immigrants. Some 10.000 persons settled since 1924, since the so called middle-class immigration.

Length of residence in Years	Men	Women	Children	Total	%
1	1504	1118	1746	4368	14,2
2	2406	2020	1575	6001	19,6
3	1311	913	1133	3357	11,5
4	695	556	720	1971	6,4
5	682	454	513	1649	5,4
6	856	403	390	1649	5,4
7	682	277	379	1358	4,3
8	139	45	261	445	1,5
9	39	10	200	249	0,8
10-13	237	218	893	1348	4,4
14-20	1882	1630	216	3728	12,1
21-29	864	800	-	1664	5,4
Over 30	836	930	-	1766	5,8
Unspecified	336	281	350	967	3,2
Total	12469	9655	8376	30500	100 %

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Whether there was significant Arab immigration into Palestine after the beginning of Jewish settlement there in the late 19th century has become a matter of some controversy. According to Martin Gilbert, 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".[47] The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1.2 million in 1948. The estimates on the scope of Arab immigration to Palestine during this period range from insignificant numbers to almost 300 000.[citation needed] According to Itzhak Galnoor, although most of Arab population increase came from natural increase, the Arab immigration to Palestine was not insignificant. Based on his estimates approximately 100 000 Arabs immigrated to Palestine between 1922 and 1948.[48]

The 1931 census of Palestine considered the question of illegal immigration since the previous census in 1922.[55] It estimated that unrecorded immigration during that period may have amounted to 9,000 Jews and 4,000 Arabs.[55] It also gave the proportion of persons living in Palestine in 1931 who were born outside Palestine: Muslims, 2%; Christians, 20%; Jews, 58%
In a 1974 study, Bachi proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported.[56] He noted the impossibility of estimating illegal immigration that was undetected, or the fraction of those persons who eventually departed.[56] He suggested, though qualifying it as a "mere guess", that the unexplained increase in the Muslim population between 1922 and 1931 was due to a combination of unrecorded immigration (using the 1931 census report estimate) and undercounting in the 1922 census
Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, Wiki Zionist tainted material as opposed to source documents. Well done Phoney, you really know how to make a point. Now let's get the facts from the Report of the Mandatory:

As can be seen below in the table included in His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of 1937, Muslim increase via migration was 25,168 during the period Jewish increase through migration was 245,433.

"6. The estimated total population has increased in the 15 years from 1922 to the middle of 1937, by 631,272 persons. The increase is due to immigration and to the excess of births over deaths, the allocation of the total increases between these two factors being estimated to be as follows:--

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

You are just making a fool of yourself. Facts are facts. Lying or using tainted backup like you do is easily discovered.

Ah, so now wikipedia is a Zionist source hahha. You have a pathetic excuse for everything

You're a glutton for punishment:

" two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups World news The Guardian

"This example demonstrates how good articles full of useful information are systematically edited to remove material from reputable sources (if it does not suit the Zionist aims) and add information from other, often dubious sources. No matter what the topic, the Israeli version must come first and there are constant problems trying to maintain neutral tone and avoid weasel words."

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia's_Hasbara

"u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit



US Dept of Justice IP address blocked after 'vandalism' edits to Wikipediaexcerpt:Wikinews has learned that a United States Department of Justice (DOJ) IP Address has been blocked on Wikipedia after making edits to an article which were considered "vandalism". In two separate instances, the IP address from the DOJ removed information from the Wikipedia article about the organization Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), regarding an attempt by the organization to secretly gain influence on the site. The IP address has been confirmed by Wikinews to be registered and used by the DOJ located in Washington, D.C."

we saw that... u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit....2013

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"Troll editing on Wikipedia has been linked directly to such quasi-Israeli government entities as the media "watchdog" operation "CAMERA," or Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America." CAMERA, formed in 1982 by a group of Jewish activists in Boston tied to the Israeli government, has been the bane of many a newspaper editor or television news reporter. The group had a vendetta against ABC's Peter Jennings and the formerly rather unbiased National Public Radio for their even-handed Middle East reporting. At least five Wikipedia editors were found to be trolling for CAMERA and they were suspended. However, the rules governing Wikipedia permit many other CAMERA and pro-Israel trolls to operate with impunity.

Outside the CAMERA infrastructure, other Israeli groups also troll Wikipedia. Special Wikipedia editing classes have been sponsored on illegal settlements in the West Bank by the organizations Yesha Council and Israel Sheli. CAMERA's efforts were joined by the Hasbara Foundation (Hasbara is the term used for any Jew around the world who advances the propaganda of Israel). In 2007, the Hasbara Foundation, decrying the presence of unbiased information on Israel on Wikipedia, targeted certain editors' entries. The Hasbara Foundation claimed, "These authors have systematically yet subtly rewritten key passages of thousands of Wikipedia entries to portray Israel in a negative light. You have the opportunity to stop this dangerous trend! If you are interested in joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately, please contact [the Hasbara Foundation] director."

zionists manipulating wiki - Google Search

Man you're stupid. ANYONE is allowed to edit wikipedia. Not to mention pro Palestinians here use it all the time.
The issue with you is that you cannot handle the truth, so you always make bullshit excuses. It's the pro Palestinians way

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.


"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

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"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/wikipedia-editing-for-zionists/

"You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against"



Stop it just stop !! Hahahahahahaha ! Don't flater yourself brainwashed sheep

 

[montelatici]

Hmmm, Wiki Zionist tainted material as opposed to source documents. Well done Phoney, you really know how to make a point. Now let's get the facts from the Report of the Mandatory:

As can be seen below in the table included in His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of 1937, Muslim increase via migration was 25,168 during the period Jewish increase through migration was 245,433.

"6. The estimated total population has increased in the 15 years from 1922 to the middle of 1937, by 631,272 persons. The increase is due to immigration and to the excess of births over deaths, the allocation of the total increases between these two factors being estimated to be as follows:--

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

You are just making a fool of yourself. Facts are facts. Lying or using tainted backup like you do is easily discovered.

Ah, so now wikipedia is a Zionist source hahha. You have a pathetic excuse for everything

You're a glutton for punishment:

" two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups World news The Guardian

"This example demonstrates how good articles full of useful information are systematically edited to remove material from reputable sources (if it does not suit the Zionist aims) and add information from other, often dubious sources. No matter what the topic, the Israeli version must come first and there are constant problems trying to maintain neutral tone and avoid weasel words."

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia's_Hasbara

"u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit



US Dept of Justice IP address blocked after 'vandalism' edits to Wikipediaexcerpt:Wikinews has learned that a United States Department of Justice (DOJ) IP Address has been blocked on Wikipedia after making edits to an article which were considered "vandalism". In two separate instances, the IP address from the DOJ removed information from the Wikipedia article about the organization Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), regarding an attempt by the organization to secretly gain influence on the site. The IP address has been confirmed by Wikinews to be registered and used by the DOJ located in Washington, D.C."

we saw that... u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit....2013

Embedded media from this media site is no longer available

"Troll editing on Wikipedia has been linked directly to such quasi-Israeli government entities as the media "watchdog" operation "CAMERA," or Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America." CAMERA, formed in 1982 by a group of Jewish activists in Boston tied to the Israeli government, has been the bane of many a newspaper editor or television news reporter. The group had a vendetta against ABC's Peter Jennings and the formerly rather unbiased National Public Radio for their even-handed Middle East reporting. At least five Wikipedia editors were found to be trolling for CAMERA and they were suspended. However, the rules governing Wikipedia permit many other CAMERA and pro-Israel trolls to operate with impunity.

Outside the CAMERA infrastructure, other Israeli groups also troll Wikipedia. Special Wikipedia editing classes have been sponsored on illegal settlements in the West Bank by the organizations Yesha Council and Israel Sheli. CAMERA's efforts were joined by the Hasbara Foundation (Hasbara is the term used for any Jew around the world who advances the propaganda of Israel). In 2007, the Hasbara Foundation, decrying the presence of unbiased information on Israel on Wikipedia, targeted certain editors' entries. The Hasbara Foundation claimed, "These authors have systematically yet subtly rewritten key passages of thousands of Wikipedia entries to portray Israel in a negative light. You have the opportunity to stop this dangerous trend! If you are interested in joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately, please contact [the Hasbara Foundation] director."

zionists manipulating wiki - Google Search

Man you're stupid. ANYONE is allowed to edit wikipedia. Not to mention pro Palestinians here use it all the time.
The issue with you is that you cannot handle the truth, so you always make bullshit excuses. It's the pro Palestinians way

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.


"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

Advertisement

"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/wikipedia-editing-for-zionists/

"You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against"



Stop it just stop !! Hahahahahahaha ! Don't flater yourself brainwashed sheep

Lot's of bravado, do you think it impresses anyone? It makes you look even more foolish than usual. LOL

 

[toastman]

Ah, so now wikipedia is a Zionist source hahha. You have a pathetic excuse for everything

You're a glutton for punishment:

" two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups World news The Guardian

"This example demonstrates how good articles full of useful information are systematically edited to remove material from reputable sources (if it does not suit the Zionist aims) and add information from other, often dubious sources. No matter what the topic, the Israeli version must come first and there are constant problems trying to maintain neutral tone and avoid weasel words."

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia's_Hasbara

"u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit



US Dept of Justice IP address blocked after 'vandalism' edits to Wikipediaexcerpt:Wikinews has learned that a United States Department of Justice (DOJ) IP Address has been blocked on Wikipedia after making edits to an article which were considered "vandalism". In two separate instances, the IP address from the DOJ removed information from the Wikipedia article about the organization Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), regarding an attempt by the organization to secretly gain influence on the site. The IP address has been confirmed by Wikinews to be registered and used by the DOJ located in Washington, D.C."

we saw that... u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit....2013

Embedded media from this media site is no longer available

"Troll editing on Wikipedia has been linked directly to such quasi-Israeli government entities as the media "watchdog" operation "CAMERA," or Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America." CAMERA, formed in 1982 by a group of Jewish activists in Boston tied to the Israeli government, has been the bane of many a newspaper editor or television news reporter. The group had a vendetta against ABC's Peter Jennings and the formerly rather unbiased National Public Radio for their even-handed Middle East reporting. At least five Wikipedia editors were found to be trolling for CAMERA and they were suspended. However, the rules governing Wikipedia permit many other CAMERA and pro-Israel trolls to operate with impunity.

Outside the CAMERA infrastructure, other Israeli groups also troll Wikipedia. Special Wikipedia editing classes have been sponsored on illegal settlements in the West Bank by the organizations Yesha Council and Israel Sheli. CAMERA's efforts were joined by the Hasbara Foundation (Hasbara is the term used for any Jew around the world who advances the propaganda of Israel). In 2007, the Hasbara Foundation, decrying the presence of unbiased information on Israel on Wikipedia, targeted certain editors' entries. The Hasbara Foundation claimed, "These authors have systematically yet subtly rewritten key passages of thousands of Wikipedia entries to portray Israel in a negative light. You have the opportunity to stop this dangerous trend! If you are interested in joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately, please contact [the Hasbara Foundation] director."

zionists manipulating wiki - Google Search

Man you're stupid. ANYONE is allowed to edit wikipedia. Not to mention pro Palestinians here use it all the time.
The issue with you is that you cannot handle the truth, so you always make bullshit excuses. It's the pro Palestinians way

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.


"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

Advertisement

"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/wikipedia-editing-for-zionists/

"You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against"



Stop it just stop !! Hahahahahahaha ! Don't flater yourself brainwashed sheep

Lot's of bravado, do you think it impresses anyone? It makes you look even more foolish than usual. LOL

You think too highly of yourself.

 

[montelatici]

You're a glutton for punishment:

" two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."

Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups World news The Guardian

"This example demonstrates how good articles full of useful information are systematically edited to remove material from reputable sources (if it does not suit the Zionist aims) and add information from other, often dubious sources. No matter what the topic, the Israeli version must come first and there are constant problems trying to maintain neutral tone and avoid weasel words."

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia's_Hasbara

"u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit



US Dept of Justice IP address blocked after 'vandalism' edits to Wikipediaexcerpt:Wikinews has learned that a United States Department of Justice (DOJ) IP Address has been blocked on Wikipedia after making edits to an article which were considered "vandalism". In two separate instances, the IP address from the DOJ removed information from the Wikipedia article about the organization Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), regarding an attempt by the organization to secretly gain influence on the site. The IP address has been confirmed by Wikinews to be registered and used by the DOJ located in Washington, D.C."

we saw that... u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit....2013

Embedded media from this media site is no longer available

"Troll editing on Wikipedia has been linked directly to such quasi-Israeli government entities as the media "watchdog" operation "CAMERA," or Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America." CAMERA, formed in 1982 by a group of Jewish activists in Boston tied to the Israeli government, has been the bane of many a newspaper editor or television news reporter. The group had a vendetta against ABC's Peter Jennings and the formerly rather unbiased National Public Radio for their even-handed Middle East reporting. At least five Wikipedia editors were found to be trolling for CAMERA and they were suspended. However, the rules governing Wikipedia permit many other CAMERA and pro-Israel trolls to operate with impunity.

Outside the CAMERA infrastructure, other Israeli groups also troll Wikipedia. Special Wikipedia editing classes have been sponsored on illegal settlements in the West Bank by the organizations Yesha Council and Israel Sheli. CAMERA's efforts were joined by the Hasbara Foundation (Hasbara is the term used for any Jew around the world who advances the propaganda of Israel). In 2007, the Hasbara Foundation, decrying the presence of unbiased information on Israel on Wikipedia, targeted certain editors' entries. The Hasbara Foundation claimed, "These authors have systematically yet subtly rewritten key passages of thousands of Wikipedia entries to portray Israel in a negative light. You have the opportunity to stop this dangerous trend! If you are interested in joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately, please contact [the Hasbara Foundation] director."

zionists manipulating wiki - Google Search

Man you're stupid. ANYONE is allowed to edit wikipedia. Not to mention pro Palestinians here use it all the time.
The issue with you is that you cannot handle the truth, so you always make bullshit excuses. It's the pro Palestinians way

You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against, that's what drives you crazy, I make you look like a fool. I just present facts with backup, like the Hasbara initiative to edit WIKI.


"Zionist editing' on Wikipedia"

Advertisement

"Wikipedia Editing for Zionists"

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/wikipedia-editing-for-zionists/

"You know I am the smartest poster you have come up against"



Stop it just stop !! Hahahahahahaha ! Don't flater yourself brainwashed sheep

Lot's of bravado, do you think it impresses anyone? It makes you look even more foolish than usual. LOL

You think too highly of yourself.

Even a one-eyed man is King in the Valley of the Blind.