There Is No "Far Right" In This Country

[NYcarbineer]

It's also funny that PoliticalChic has told the many proud-to-be far rightwingers on this board that they don't exist.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Nonsense.

The far right also manifest as 'constitutionalists' and other practitioners of the idiocy that is 'originalism,' such as Ted Cruz and his ilk.

As a consequence of their wrongheaded extremism they reject the settled and accepted doctrine of judicial review, the authority of the Supreme Court to determine what the Constitution means, and the supremacy of Federal laws and the Federal Constitution, in conflict with the original intent and understanding of the Founding Generation.

Indeed, Cruz's advocacy of subjecting Supreme Court justices to 'elections' is another example of the lunacy of the far right.

The states, who created the federal government, are the principles. The federal government, created by the states, is their agent. Agents don't tell principles what the principals meant when they created their agent.

Constitutionally speaking, you are clueless with that tail wagging dog idiocy. The several States ceded a portion of their sovereignty to the national government when they ratified the Constitution which included Article VI, Clause 2;

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis Added]

 

[xotoxi]

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.

Where are these American traditions and values listed so that I can review them and make sure I am following them?

Thanks.

 

[xotoxi]

It's also funny that PoliticalChic has told the many proud-to-be far rightwingers on this board that they don't exist.

And another famous poster once prove that...

There are NO LEFTIST AMERICANS

I guess that means that we must all be exactly the same.

 

[Dot Com]

Another zany rw thread from PoliticalSpice.

The FAR right has become the center because they kicked out all the moderates ("thinking") Repubs. Sad.

 

[xotoxi]

1. The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.

The thesis is based on the definitions involved:
To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.

Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center.

While the center may include American traditions, values, and history, it also holds a relatively unbiased view when it comes to politics.

Those individuals on the Far Right and the Far Left hold strong biases on nearly every political issue in order to support and protect.their philosophies.

While you can write a long drawn out thread in an attempt to redefine a fact, it will only be correct in your mind (and other far right wingnut that share your mind).

 

[Mac1958]

"Far Right" and "Far Left" are subjective and relative terms. Obviously.

Who is more conservative than Ted Cruz? Who is more liberal than Bernie Sanders?

If you can't come up with several examples, then Cruz & Sanders are the "Far" in the term. If you can, THOSE people are the "Far" in the term.

Obviously.


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In the context of history, Ted Cruz is a Constitutionalist, or a centrist. The government created in 1789 was a government positioned considerably to the left of the government rooted in 150 years of tradition beforehand. The new government created by the Constitution was a more centralized government, one that consolidated the governments of the United States and claimed for itself some considerable prerogative, or a power to make laws "necessary and proper" in order to execute congressional authority.

After the Philadelphia Convention, America, over some time, shifted from a position on the right to a position in the center, where Ted Cruz and other conservatives hang their hats.

Since the Progressive Era, America has been moving farther to the left, farther away from its values and traditions.

Consider the history, as the OP asks you to. Conservatives and Constitutionalists are centrists. Liberals are far left.

Can you think of any person or group who is to the right of Ted Cruz?
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[PoliticalChic]

1. There is no "far right" in this country.
Yet....the very same folks who poke fun at religious Americans, by comparing God with Santa Claus, go on and on.....

"F**k the far right."
MARCO RUBIO: I 'Absolutely' Support Tuition Breaks For Illegal Aliens

'Or Sanders, who does even better against the far right tard candidates'
BUSTED ! – Republican State of Union Response Carried Amnesty Pledge in Spanish Version…

'I bet this will drive the far right loons insane:'
Nikki Haley rebukes Trump in State of the Union rebuttal

'Uh.. there is very much a "far right" in this country.'
The Delusional Candidate

'... what the far right reactionaries are posting.'
Another reason Americans WANT to see Obama and Obamacare GO!!!

'...for some time now the most and loudest noise has come from the Far Right.'
Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

"...how insane the far right is."
Yes, You're A Communist





2. There is no "far right" in this country. So... how to explain the constant reference to this meme by Leftists?

One fact of life is that hearing a phrase often enough, one tends to accept it without spending the effort of examining same. The term "Far Right," used in a cavalier yet effective manner by the Left, is one of those terms.

Yet...upon examination....it proves to be imaginary, very much like the benefits of communism....or ObamaCare.




3. It is a well know axiom that, to see what the Left is doing, note what they are blaming the other side of doing.
One regularly sees the Leftists, Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, whatever....railing against the "Far Right," using "Far Right" as a pejorative, an imprecation.
And....BTW.....there certainly is a Far Left.


But I'll prove that "Far Right" doesn't exist.

Do you not know of people like Stephen "Don" Black, Preston Wigginton, David Duke then? They're in the US and they're far right. The former was a member of the US Nazi Party.. just in case you think he's not far right.

He runs Stormfront, you can find a lot of far right racists hanging out there.

1. Until 1989 at least, David Duke ran for elected office on the Democrat ticket.

2.More to the point, David Duke is a Nazi.
Nazis are leftists.....

". ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?"
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian



I am often astounded at your lack of education.
Are you a government school graduate?

A) It doesn't matter what David Duke ran on, he was still far right and has never been a member of a Nazi Party. Black has, but not Duke.

B) As for your nonsense about whether Nazism is far left or far right, it's commonly accepted that Nazism is far right, that's just what it is called. Get over it. Trying to discredit the opposition by falsely linking it with Hitler and the Nazis is just desperate nonsense.

1. "...as for your nonsense about whether Nazism is far left or far right, it's commonly accepted that Nazism is far right,..."


Accepted by the uneducated, and the indoctrinated.



2. "Trying to discredit the opposition by falsely linking it with Hitler and the Nazis is just desperate nonsense.

Yet, exactly what the Left has done...and you've bought it like it was on sale.

"American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism. “Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin,..."
Goldberg, Liberal Fascism

 

[Centinel]

Constitutionally speaking, you are clueless with that tail wagging dog idiocy. The several States ceded a portion of their sovereignty to the national government when they ratified the Constitution which included Article VI, Clause 2;

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis Added]

The notion that only the federal government knows what the constitution actually says is ridiculous on its face. The several, sovereign states wrote the constitution before the supreme court even existed. The people of the several, sovereign states ratified the constitution before the supreme court even existed. The states are the authors. Who would know better about what it says than the actual authors? How could the states establish the constitution between themselves if they didn't know what it said?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.

The thesis is based on the definitions involved:
To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.

Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center.

While the center may include American traditions, values, and history, it also holds a relatively unbiased view when it comes to politics.

Those individuals on the Far Right and the Far Left hold strong biases on nearly every political issue in order to support and protect.their philosophies.

While you can write a long drawn out thread in an attempt to redefine a fact, it will only be correct in your mind (and other far right wingnut that share your mind).

See that!

I knew you could do it.....just needed a little coaxing.


"Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center."


Well....let's define the center in the same way United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart described obscenity: "I know it when I see it."

And you, and everyone else, knows what traditional America values are.

A review might help you to close in on the concept...
1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage..


2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.


5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, far left.

And, I'll add a few more today.




Can you come up with a similar list that flies in the face of time-honored, traditional American values to support the bogus concept, "Far Right"?


Take your time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.

The thesis is based on the definitions involved:
To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.

Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center.

While the center may include American traditions, values, and history, it also holds a relatively unbiased view when it comes to politics.

Those individuals on the Far Right and the Far Left hold strong biases on nearly every political issue in order to support and protect.their philosophies.

While you can write a long drawn out thread in an attempt to redefine a fact, it will only be correct in your mind (and other far right wingnut that share your mind).

See that!

I knew you could do it.....just needed a little coaxing.


"Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center."


Well....let's define the center in the same way United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart described obscenity: "I know it when I see it."

And you, and everyone else, knows what traditional America values are.

A review might help you to close in on the concept...
1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage..


2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.


5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, far left.

And, I'll add a few more today.




Can you come up with a similar list that flies in the face of time-honored, traditional American values to support the bogus concept, "Far Right"?


Take your time.

Traditional marriage is not the center. The acceptance and legalization of same sex marriage has made opposite/same sex marriage equality the center.

The opposition to gay marriage rights is now a rightwing position.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.

The thesis is based on the definitions involved:
To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.

Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center.

While the center may include American traditions, values, and history, it also holds a relatively unbiased view when it comes to politics.

Those individuals on the Far Right and the Far Left hold strong biases on nearly every political issue in order to support and protect.their philosophies.

While you can write a long drawn out thread in an attempt to redefine a fact, it will only be correct in your mind (and other far right wingnut that share your mind).

See that!

I knew you could do it.....just needed a little coaxing.


"Your entire thread falls apart right at the beginning, because you defined your entire thesis on your opinion of what defines the center."


Well....let's define the center in the same way United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart described obscenity: "I know it when I see it."

And you, and everyone else, knows what traditional America values are.

A review might help you to close in on the concept...
1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage..


2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.


5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, far left.

And, I'll add a few more today.




Can you come up with a similar list that flies in the face of time-honored, traditional American values to support the bogus concept, "Far Right"?


Take your time.

By about 2 to 1, Americans oppose overturning Roe v Wade. Abortion rights are a centrist position.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

The radical position that all abortion should be outlawed is a far right position.

"....position that all abortion should be outlawed..."

Is this your usual attempt at lying, NYLiar?

I note you couldn't provide a link to that fabrication.


As usual...you've failed again...very much as the failure in the White House has done on dozens of occasions.

Well then what do you characterize the outlaw all abortions position as, on the political spectrum?

"Well then" is your admission that you were lying?

Excellent.

Are you liberal or conservative on abortion?

Did she answer?

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

By almost 3 to 1, Americans support raising the minimum wage to at least 10 bucks an hour. That is the centrist mainstream position.
Opposition to raising the minimum wage, or support for abolishing it altogether, represent right/far right opinion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

By 9 to 1, Americans want to close the loopholes in the background check laws.

Opposition to closing the loopholes is the FAR RIGHT position.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Constitutionally speaking, you are clueless with that tail wagging dog idiocy. The several States ceded a portion of their sovereignty to the national government when they ratified the Constitution which included Article VI, Clause 2;

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis Added]

The notion that only the federal government knows what the constitution actually says is ridiculous on its face. The several, sovereign states wrote the constitution before the supreme court even existed. The people of the several, sovereign states ratified the constitution before the supreme court even existed. The states are the authors. Who would know better about what it says than the actual authors? How could the states establish the constitution between themselves if they didn't know what it said?

The promise:

“…the proposed government cannot be deemed a national one; since its jurisdiction extends to certain enumerated objects only, and leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignity over all other objects.”
Federalist #39

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. A very strong argument can be advanced that "Far Leftism" was introduced, and established, in America, under the 32nd President.


"Nonetheless, the promise of limited federal power eventually succumbed to the pressures of expanding federal power in the 20th century, most notably during the New Deal era and President Franklin D. Roosevelt's "court packing" scheme.[3] The turning point in Supreme Court jurisprudence on the subject is widely seen as United States v. Butler (1936). Although that decision struck down provisions within the Agricultural Adjustment Act as violating the Tenth Amendment, the court found that
...the power of Congress to authorize expenditure of public moneys for public purposes is not limited by the direct grants of legislative power found in the Constitution. —Justice Owen Roberts (1936)[4]


This represented the first time the Supreme court had determined whether the Taxing and Spending Clause of the Constitution represented an independent grant of power to provide for the general welfare of the United States.[4] They found it did, thus setting the stage for massive increases in federal spending, and consequent power, during the latter half of the 20th century.


A literal interpretation of Federalist No. 45 would indict much of the federal government's activities at that point as unconstitutional.[3]"
Federalist No. 45 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Get that?
"..... the first time the Supreme court had determined whether the Taxing and Spending Clause of the Constitution represented an independent grant of power..."
That's radical.
Hence....Far Left.



Until Roosevelt cowed the Supreme Court, prior administrations had generally lived within the constraints of the enumerated powers, Article 1, section 8.


Any similar attacks on the Constitution by the Right?

 

[MarcATL]

1. There is no "far right" in this country.
Yet....the very same folks who poke fun at religious Americans, by comparing God with Santa Claus, go on and on.....

"F**k the far right."
MARCO RUBIO: I 'Absolutely' Support Tuition Breaks For Illegal Aliens

'Or Sanders, who does even better against the far right tard candidates'
BUSTED ! – Republican State of Union Response Carried Amnesty Pledge in Spanish Version…

'I bet this will drive the far right loons insane:'
Nikki Haley rebukes Trump in State of the Union rebuttal

'Uh.. there is very much a "far right" in this country.'
The Delusional Candidate

'... what the far right reactionaries are posting.'
Another reason Americans WANT to see Obama and Obamacare GO!!!

'...for some time now the most and loudest noise has come from the Far Right.'
Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

"...how insane the far right is."
Yes, You're A Communist





2. There is no "far right" in this country. So... how to explain the constant reference to this meme by Leftists?

One fact of life is that hearing a phrase often enough, one tends to accept it without spending the effort of examining same. The term "Far Right," used in a cavalier yet effective manner by the Left, is one of those terms.

Yet...upon examination....it proves to be imaginary, very much like the benefits of communism....or ObamaCare.




3. It is a well know axiom that, to see what the Left is doing, note what they are blaming the other side of doing.
One regularly sees the Leftists, Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, whatever....railing against the "Far Right," using "Far Right" as a pejorative, an imprecation.
And....BTW.....there certainly is a Far Left.


But I'll prove that "Far Right" doesn't exist.

Of course a far rightwinger would post a thread like this. It's to be expected.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. There is no "far right" in this country.
Yet....the very same folks who poke fun at religious Americans, by comparing God with Santa Claus, go on and on.....

"F**k the far right."
MARCO RUBIO: I 'Absolutely' Support Tuition Breaks For Illegal Aliens

'Or Sanders, who does even better against the far right tard candidates'
BUSTED ! – Republican State of Union Response Carried Amnesty Pledge in Spanish Version…

'I bet this will drive the far right loons insane:'
Nikki Haley rebukes Trump in State of the Union rebuttal

'Uh.. there is very much a "far right" in this country.'
The Delusional Candidate

'... what the far right reactionaries are posting.'
Another reason Americans WANT to see Obama and Obamacare GO!!!

'...for some time now the most and loudest noise has come from the Far Right.'
Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

"...how insane the far right is."
Yes, You're A Communist





2. There is no "far right" in this country. So... how to explain the constant reference to this meme by Leftists?

One fact of life is that hearing a phrase often enough, one tends to accept it without spending the effort of examining same. The term "Far Right," used in a cavalier yet effective manner by the Left, is one of those terms.

Yet...upon examination....it proves to be imaginary, very much like the benefits of communism....or ObamaCare.




3. It is a well know axiom that, to see what the Left is doing, note what they are blaming the other side of doing.
One regularly sees the Leftists, Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, whatever....railing against the "Far Right," using "Far Right" as a pejorative, an imprecation.
And....BTW.....there certainly is a Far Left.


But I'll prove that "Far Right" doesn't exist.

Of course a far rightwinger would post a thread like this. It's to be expected.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

So sorry to interrupt your Far Left talking points...but there is no 'Far Right"
Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left or Right....


A review might help you to close in on the concept...
1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage..


2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.


5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, far left.

6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.
He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."


I hope you've learned from this lesson.

 

[Mac1958]

Who is to the Right of Ted Cruz?
.