CDZ There's something seriously wrong with a system...

[Crepitus]

That's the whole reason we need it.

 

[surada]

It is

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

What “coup attempt”?

A coup is an armed overthrow of the government, usually by the military.

Nothing like that has happened.

Not necessarily armed, just sudden and violent. Militaries are well placed for this kind of action but coup attempts certainly don't require the military.

So yes, it was indeed a coup attempt.

It's kind of a stretch to call it a coup attempt. Usually a lot of people die in a coup attempt. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Not a stretch. That's what it was. We are simply lucky they were inept.

I think your view has been distorted by partisan insanity if you think that giant group of people went there to overthrow the government in some kind of organized coup attempt. Considering the death count that view is absurd.

Some of them had never voted.

Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation

Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them in court or at least produce some sympathy.

apnews.com

Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them or at least engender some sympathy.

 

[Lastamender]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

The same can be said for people stopping the audits and the refusal to investigate the massive fraud that took place in the swing states. You have a non-story here that only exposes your hypocrisy.Thread closed.

 

[Crepitus]

Well, it's up to the electorate. It's up to the Democrats to get out the vote.

It is and it isn't. They clearly violated their oaths and should be removed. The political will doesn't seem to be there though.

And that lack of political will exists among the voters who elected those Republicans to the Senate.

Or more precisely, among voters whose political will is to ignore the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy, to lie about it, and pretend it never happened.

Republican voters and Republican elected officials know that the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy is a political liability for the GOP – the last thing they want is an investigation into Trump and the right’s culpability in that terrorist attack.

It's not a political handicap, it's a political nuclear weapon.

 

[surada]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

The same can be said for people stopping the audits and the refusal to investigate the massive fraud that took place in the swing states. You have a non-story here that only exposes your hypocrisy.Thread closed.

How many audits and recounts do you need before you accept the truth? This could go on for the next two years.

 

[Crepitus]

Well, it's up to the electorate. It's up to the Democrats to get out the vote.

It is and it isn't. They clearly violated their oaths and should be removed. The political will doesn't seem to be there though.

And that lack of political will exists among the voters who elected those Republicans to the Senate.

So what do you want to do about it???

Or more precisely, among voters whose political will is to ignore the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy, to lie about it, and pretend it never happened.

Republican voters and Republican elected officials know that the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy is a political liability for the GOP – the last thing they want is an investigation into Trump and the right’s culpability in that terrorist attack.

You do not know what the bipartisan commission would reveal. It does not necessarily have to go your way.

How are you going to prove that it was anything more than some overzealous protesters who for several months witnessed riots and looting on the part of their political rivals???

This is a silly argument against the commission. Not knowing is why we need it

 

[Lastamender]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

The same can be said for people stopping the audits and the refusal to investigate the massive fraud that took place in the swing states. You have a non-story here that only exposes your hypocrisy.Thread closed.

How many audits and recounts do you need before you accept the truth? This could go on for the next two years.

Did you see the post where the audit in AZ people are supposed to trust had Dominion working with the auditors? No one should trust that audit. As far as the truth we are still waiting on that.

 

[westwall]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

What “coup attempt”?

A coup is an armed overthrow of the government, usually by the military.

Nothing like that has happened.

Not necessarily armed, just sudden and violent. Militaries are well placed for this kind of action but coup attempts certainly don't require the military.

So yes, it was indeed a coup attempt.

Riiight, unarmed people are going to overthrow the entire US government? A “coup attempt” where no one was arrested and all of the “insurrectionists” left on their own within a few hours.

You’re delusional.

They weren't unarmed.

Yeah those flags are LETHAL against armed soldiers.

 

[westwall]

Well, it's up to the electorate. It's up to the Democrats to get out the vote.

It is and it isn't. They clearly violated their oaths and should be removed. The political will doesn't seem to be there though.

And that lack of political will exists among the voters who elected those Republicans to the Senate.

So what do you want to do about it???

Or more precisely, among voters whose political will is to ignore the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy, to lie about it, and pretend it never happened.

Republican voters and Republican elected officials know that the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy is a political liability for the GOP – the last thing they want is an investigation into Trump and the right’s culpability in that terrorist attack.

You do not know what the bipartisan commission would reveal. It does not necessarily have to go your way.

How are you going to prove that it was anything more than some overzealous protesters who for several months witnessed riots and looting on the part of their political rivals???

This is a silly argument against the commission. Not knowing is why we need it

The fbi is already investigating

 

[surada]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

The same can be said for people stopping the audits and the refusal to investigate the massive fraud that took place in the swing states. You have a non-story here that only exposes your hypocrisy.Thread closed.

How many audits and recounts do you need before you accept the truth? This could go on for the next two years.

Did you see the post where the audit in AZ people are supposed to trust had Dominion working with the auditors? No one should trust that audit. As far as the truth we are still waiting on that.

I feel really sorry for you.. How could you be so mezmerized by one fat, lying crook? What will it take? How many more audits and recounts?

 

[Lastamender]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

The same can be said for people stopping the audits and the refusal to investigate the massive fraud that took place in the swing states. You have a non-story here that only exposes your hypocrisy.Thread closed.

How many audits and recounts do you need before you accept the truth? This could go on for the next two years.

Did you see the post where the audit in AZ people are supposed to trust had Dominion working with the auditors? No one should trust that audit. As far as the truth we are still waiting on that.

I feel really sorry for you.. How could you be so mezmerized by one fat, lying crook? What will it take? How many more audits and recounts?

How can you believe politicians and a media that lied to you for four years?

 

[Crepitus]

Where is the word "truth" in the Constitution?

Are you seriously trying to justify republican lies by saying the word truth isn't in the constitution?

Do you ever realize how fucked up that line of reasoning is?

 

[Markle]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

What “coup attempt”?

A coup is an armed overthrow of the government, usually by the military.

Nothing like that has happened.

Not necessarily armed, just sudden and violent. Militaries are well placed for this kind of action but coup attempts certainly don't require the military.

So yes, it was indeed a coup attempt.

Riiight, unarmed people are going to overthrow the entire US government? A “coup attempt” where no one was arrested and all of the “insurrectionists” left on their own within a few hours.

You’re delusional.

They weren't unarmed.

 

[Care4all]

Trump lost.

So Trump wanted to burn or blow the house down....

He convinced his minions, to enact his revenge... If democracy, voted him out, then he was going to destroy that democracy.

You ALL are just his helpers, so he doesn't have to get his precious little fingers, dirty.

YOU are being used and abused, but are so far in to supporting him as your savior from all the perceived liberal evil and deep state conspiracy, that you have to keep supporting him and his Big Lie, to save face....

It's a sad situation, but one that Trump, counts on.....

If the Trump supporters had really wanted to take over the Capitol Building they would have came armed to the teeth and accomplished that mission.

The “insurrection“ was simply a rowdy mob that got out of control. Mobs often do that. At least the Trump mob didn’t burn the Capitol building like The BLM and Antifa mobs did to many blocks in our cities.

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The Capitol riot was seeded and planned, and even coordinated by quite a few people outside and inside the whitehouse.... Just read some of the charges being brought and back stories of texts, and posts and contacts.....

They got the other somewhat innocent but vulnerable Trumpers to follow them in to the Capitol.... and to act out, on the police.... And other Trump followers stayed back, and were not lead in to criminal behavior.....

Just like in the riots that followed the relatively civil, George Floyd protest marches during the day time, most participants in the peaceful day marches, were NOT the thugs that rioted and looted later in the evening and night...

 

[surada]

It is

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

What “coup attempt”?

A coup is an armed overthrow of the government, usually by the military.

Nothing like that has happened.

Not necessarily armed, just sudden and violent. Militaries are well placed for this kind of action but coup attempts certainly don't require the military.

So yes, it was indeed a coup attempt.

It's kind of a stretch to call it a coup attempt. Usually a lot of people die in a coup attempt. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Not a stretch. That's what it was. We are simply lucky they were inept.

I think your view has been distorted by partisan insanity if you think that giant group of people went there to overthrow the government in some kind of organized coup attempt. Considering the death count that view is absurd.

Some of them had never voted.

List of conspiracy theories promoted by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them or at least engender some sympathy.

 

[westwall]

Where is the word "truth" in the Constitution?

Are you seriously trying to justify republican lies by saying the word truth isn't in the constitution?

Do you ever realize how fucked up that line of reasoning is?

Ummmmm, it's the CDZ. Mind your language.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Well, it's up to the electorate. It's up to the Democrats to get out the vote.

It is and it isn't. They clearly violated their oaths and should be removed. The political will doesn't seem to be there though.

I'm not aware of a mechanism to do this, but the GQP sure as hell won't pursue it.

There is nothing to pursue.

Well that's a lie.

Well, no it isn't.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Where is the word "truth" in the Constitution?

Are you seriously trying to justify republican lies by saying the word truth isn't in the constitution?

No, genius. I am trying to explain to you how there is something seriously wrong with the system - the subject of this discussion, you may recall.

Do you ever realize how fucked up that line of reasoning is?

The subject is not about partisan strategies.

You just have difficulties separating the erroneous system from partisan strategies. You do not recognize all of the derailings in this discussion.

 

[alang1216]

...that lets the party responsible for an attempted coup block investigation into the attempted coup. They need to be removed. Every single one that supported this and continues to should be removed for cause, they've violated their oaths to the constitution.

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution]"

We need to apply that vigorously and get rid of these anti American types who want to do away with democracy in favor of authoritarian rule.


They know it, too. That's why they blocked the commission.

Well, it's up to the electorate. It's up to the Democrats to get out the vote.

This is a pretty ugly time in our history, and there's no guarantee we'll get out of it intact.

Are the Democrats providing a strong enough alternative to end this madness? We'll see soon enough.

I don't think anything will improve so long as the cult of trump is going strong.

It's polluting pretty much everything.

Like the rest of the world, I've lost a good bit of respect for this country. I'm hoping it is just an aberration.

The rest of the world does not understand our politics, just like you do not understand any other country's politics.

When was the last time you noticed other countries having some noticeable respect for the United States - when they were massively immigrating to America???

When? What made you think other countries really really respected America?

You have a point since I don't even understand THIS countries politics.

In the past the US was respected for political freedom and stability and envied for it's economy. I'd guess there is still envy but respect? Not so much. I think we're now viewed much like China, a very strong economy but a very fragile political system.

 

[alang1216]

Well, it's up to the electorate. It's up to the Democrats to get out the vote.

It is and it isn't. They clearly violated their oaths and should be removed. The political will doesn't seem to be there though.

And that lack of political will exists among the voters who elected those Republicans to the Senate.

So what do you want to do about it???

Or more precisely, among voters whose political will is to ignore the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy, to lie about it, and pretend it never happened.

Republican voters and Republican elected officials know that the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy is a political liability for the GOP – the last thing they want is an investigation into Trump and the right’s culpability in that terrorist attack.

You do not know what the bipartisan commission would reveal. It does not necessarily have to go your way.

How are you going to prove that it was anything more than some overzealous protesters who for several months witnessed riots and looting on the part of their political rivals???

This is a silly argument against the commission. Not knowing is why we need it

You're wasting your digits, they have already made up their minds and no evidence to the contrary will change them. Sort of like these endless audit: "let's keep recounting until we get the answer we want".