These Republicans Aren't Sure What Motivated A White Guy To Kill 9 Black Churchgoers

[The Irish Ram]

No legislation is needed. We already have laws in place to deal with people who murder.

 

[reconmark]

Well Redfish, stammer away.

No problem, just try to follow along.

Motive, Motive Motive.

A white man see two well dressed men walking down the street each one flashing a load of cash, one is Black The other White.

He robs the Black man. Is that a hate crime???...no it isn't. The motive wasn't because the man was Black, it was the cash.

Same scenario but this time the white robber says, "I'm going to rob the Black man instead of the White man. I don't believe Black people should have money."

Is it a hate crime???...of course it is. The MOTIVE wasn't about the money, it was about the race.
The robbery was incidental to race as the motive for the crime.

Horseshit, in both cases the crime was robbery. What the robber was thinking does not make one crime worse than the ;other. WTF is wrong with you?

Please stop making yourself look stupid, my post just destroyed your infantile argument.
To put the candle on top, is this one:

What the robber was thinking does not make one crime worse than the

Mens Rea
As an element of criminal responsibility, a guilty mind; a guilty or wrongful purpose; a criminal intent. Guilty knowledge and wilfulness.

A fundamental principle of Criminal Law is that a crime consists of both a mental and a physical element. Mens rea, a person's awarenessof the fact that his or her conduct is criminal, is the mental element, and actus reus, the act itself, is the physical element.

As I stated before, do try to keep up.

LOL, thats funny. what you quoted has nothing to do with what is being discussed. Mens Rea has to do with the criminal knowing that what he is doing is a crime. Thats the mental element it is addressing, trying to extend that to support hate crime legislation is really dumb.

It's dumb to people like you, too stupid to realize a crime committed based on race is illegal...lol.
Further, you stated what the individual WAS THINKING wasn't relevant...toddles sucker, you are wrong again.

Didn't I tell you to try to keep up????

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I'm pretty sure they know exactly what the cause of this is. It is a mental health issue, not a gun issue.

of course not ...gun what gun ?

My guns have never told me to kill anybody.........

 

[Lovebears65]

Why was there just as much coverage on this story , Indictments Black man shot four whites because of race - National Crime Courts Examiner.com YOu know why , it doest fit with the liberal agenda to divide us as a nation.

A barbaric act like Wednesday's massacre of nine strangers by a white gunman at the historic black Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, shocks the conscience and makes it uncomfortable to face the painful truth about what happened.

This may help explain why some Republicans steered clear of the issue of race on Thursday in remarks about the killings. The politicians, including some 2016 presidential candidates, offered condolences to the victims, but resisted ascribing racial motivations to the gunman, even as information about suspected killer Dylann Roof mounts.

A Facebook photo surfaced on Thursday showing Roof wearing a jacket adorned with two patches that have long been linked to white supremacy. Another photo showed him in front of a car with a "Confederate States of America" license plate. Former friends, acquaintancesand a roommate have described Roof's racist sentiments and desires tocommit racial violence. Most damningly, a survivor of the church massacre said Roof told his victims he had come "to shoot black people."

More about Roof's beliefs and motives is likely to emerge later. But that's no reason to dance around what's already obvious, especially if you're doing so because reality doesn't fit your political agenda.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a GOP presidential candidate, tied the shooting to a lack of faith among Americans during a speech Thursday at a Faith and Freedom Coalition conference in Washington.

"What kind of person goes into church and shoots nine people? There’s a sickness in our country, there’s something terribly wrong, but it isn’t going to be fixed by your government. It’s people straying away, it’s people not understanding where salvation comes from."

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), another 2016 presidential candidate, told CNNthat he saw the killings as an isolated act by a deranged individual.

"I just think he was one of these whacked out kids. I don't think it's anything broader than that. It's about a young man who is obviously twisted."

Jeb Bush, who recently threw his hat in the 2016 ring, fielded a question from The Huffington Post's Laura Bassett at the Faith and Freedom Coalition conference and wasn't willing to state with certainty what has now already been confirmed about the shooter's motive.

"It was a horrific act and I don't know what the background of it is, but it was an act of hatred. ... Looks like to me it was [racially motivated], but we'll find out all the information. It's clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African-American. You can judge what it is."

Rick Santorum, also running for the White House, said hatred spurred the killings, and went on to suggest the motive may have been hatred of religion.

“You just can’t think that things like this can happen in America. It’s obviously a crime of hate. Again, we don’t know the rationale, but what other rationale could there be? ... This is one of those situations where you just have to take a step back and say we -- you know, you talk about the importance of prayer in this time and we’re now seeing assaults on our religious liberty we’ve never seen before. It’s a time for deeper reflection beyond this horrible situation.”

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), who is expected to announce plans for the 2016 presidential race soon, seemed uninterested in commenting on the shooter's possible motive during an interview with Fox News.

"Let's be honest, there's evil in the world. What you're seeing today, what we saw last night, that was evil. ... Law enforcement will figure out what his so-called motivations were. We shouldn't try to pretend we're going to understand his mind."

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), who is expected to run for president in 2016,addressed the situation in Charleston Thursday following a public event. He also chose not to speak about a motive for the crime.

"It's an awful tragedy anytime that somebody would walk in and participate in a prayer service for an hour and then get up and shoot the people you have been praying with? That's obviously a pretty depraved person. ... I understand that they believe they have the guy in custody and so let's let the criminal justice system work."

Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) told CNN that he didn't "have a clue" about Roof's potential connections to white supremacists or racist groups. Instead, he pointed to the supernatural.

"I don't know what was going through the kid's mind, but [it's] certainly the act of a deranged human being, and this level of malice I think is unfathomable in this community, in this nation. It is ... clearly the work of the devil."

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) released a statement late Wednesday, saying, "we'll never understand what motivates" people to commit such crimes. It was early, so perhaps she can be forgiven for not being willing to state the obvious. At a prayer vigil on Thursday, Haley focused on the community's efforts to heal, avoiding all mention of the shooter's motive.

These Republicans Aren t Sure What Motivated A White Guy To Kill 9 Black Churchgoers But It Wasn t Racism

Racism isn't a mental illness - it's an ignorant mindset. If the Charleston church massacre wasn't a racist hate crime - I don't know what is.

 

[reconmark]

Thats up to the courts. You're having this argument all by yourself

translation = once again liberals are defeated by logic, reason, and common sense.

You are the one who said hate crimes should be treated differently, I only asked why you think that.
Nice dodge though.

Please please please quote where I said that. When you come back with your hat in your hand you'll realize your imagination got the best of you.

then you don't support hate crime legislation? Glad to hear it.

No I support hate crime legislation because as you said I've said it before. Or...were you lying then? And folded like a cheese omelet when confronted with facts

OK, one more time. Why should the thoughts of the criminal make the crime more or less severe?

Admit it, you want to punish thoughts. You are the big brother that Orwell was writing about and you are Mooch in Atlas Shrugged.

Well, if you have lost the argument, I guess you can try deflection...lol.
Guess you really couldn't keep up.

 

[The Irish Ram]

A gun in my home protects my family. It prevented a robbery, and possibly worse.
My guns have never murdered anyone. My children are alive and well, and I have no urge to commit suicide. My guns are in the hands of someone who is mentally healthy.

 

[G.T.]

I dont see much wrong with the quotes from the OP

 

[ClosedCaption]

translation = once again liberals are defeated by logic, reason, and common sense.

You are the one who said hate crimes should be treated differently, I only asked why you think that.
Nice dodge though.

Please please please quote where I said that. When you come back with your hat in your hand you'll realize your imagination got the best of you.

then you don't support hate crime legislation? Glad to hear it.

No I support hate crime legislation because as you said I've said it before. Or...were you lying then? And folded like a cheese omelet when confronted with facts

OK, one more time. Why should the thoughts of the criminal make the crime more or less severe?

Admit it, you want to punish thoughts. You are the big brother that Orwell was writing about and you are Mooch in Atlas Shrugged.

Well, if you have lost the argument, I guess you can try deflection...lol.
Guess you really couldn't keep up.

His schtick is to accuse people of something they didnt do and when asked to prove it he admits he was lying...

....And then wants to ask more questions that accuse the other person of doing other fake shit

 

[Edgetho]

FAIL: Islamic State Fighter’s Helmet Cam Captures His Own Death…

Feel good video of the day.



Screenshot from 15 second mark where you can clearly see the Iraqi soldier on the roof as he’s granting Mr. Islamic State his dream of “martyrdom.”

Via WarLeaks:

An IS member captured his last moments on the battlefield in POV by using a GoPro helmet cam during clashes with the Iraqi army.

The footage shows him in battle with Iraqi soldiers when he suddenly got hit while picking up a magazine to reload his weapon.

He was most likely downed by Iraqi soldier shooting at him from the roof of the building.

Edge:
Funny stuff

 

[Rocko]

What happened in Charleston is a dream come true for all you libs. You guys and gals couldn't possibly be happier. Now you mofos will preach bullshit about racism and gun control for a very long time. Have fun dividing the country apart and trying to infringe on other people's rights.

 

[ClosedCaption]

What happened in Charleston is a dream come true for all you libs. You guys and gals couldn't possibly be happier. Now you mofos will preach bullshit about racism and gun control for a very long time. Have fun dividing the country apart and trying to infringe on other people's rights.

Wow I get to use this quote again

His schtick is to accuse people of something they didnt do and when asked to prove it he admits he was lying...

....And then wants to ask more questions that accuse the other person of doing other fake shit

 

[g5000]

Well all the speculation can end, the boy admitted he wanted to start a race war. Ya can't get more stupid than that.

RAHOWA.

 

[CMike]

He should be executed. It doesn't matter if it was about race or not.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The kid was a loon. As much as you all want to make it political the bottom line is he was mentally ill and if anything you're using him to promote your gun grabbing agenda

Yeah right. It would only be political if some black kid killed whites because they were white.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The RWnuts can't admit this was rightwing racism because they're bound at the wrist and ankles to the proclamation that the only racist in America is Al Sharpton.

 

[Edgetho]

The RWnuts can't admit this was rightwing racism because they're bound at the wrist and ankles to the proclamation that the only racist in America is Al Sharpton.

And you makes two

scumbag piece of shit

 

[ScienceRocks]

I guess speaking out about blacks slaughtering twice as many whites every year is racism. Yes, if that is racism then we're bigots. Blacks attack whites at 10 times the rate that whites attack blacks but somehow we should just shut up.

I'd rather judge blacks for what they do to us then be silent.

 

[Seawytch]

Here is the left loons for you...and media bias. Never trust a left loon(most certainly one with any "power" LMAO)

Liberal Professor Makes HORRIBLE Claim About SC Church Massacre

With nine innocent and by all accounts decent, honorable, law-abiding South Carolina citizens murdered but not even yet buried, University of Pennsylvania professor, Anthea Butler, writing for the Washington Post has jumped on the “white privilege” band wagon because the murderer hasn’t been called a “terrorist.”

“…listen to major media outlets and you won’t hear the word “terrorism” used in coverage of Tuesday’s shooting. You won’t hear the white male shooter, identified as 21-year-old Dylann Roof, described as “a possible terrorist.” And if coverage of recent shootings by white suspects is any indication, he never will be. Instead, the go-to explanation for his actions will be mental illness. He will be humanized and called sick, a victim of mistreatment or inadequate mental health resources. Activist Deray McKesson noted this morning that, while discussing Roof’s motivations, an MSNBC anchor said “we don’t know his mental condition.” That is the power of whiteness in America.”

Liberal Professor Makes HORRIBLE Claim About SC Church Massacre - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

What's the "horrible claim"? He is a terrorist.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Here is the left loons for you...and media bias. Never trust a left loon(most certainly one with any "power" LMAO)

Liberal Professor Makes HORRIBLE Claim About SC Church Massacre

With nine innocent and by all accounts decent, honorable, law-abiding South Carolina citizens murdered but not even yet buried, University of Pennsylvania professor, Anthea Butler, writing for the Washington Post has jumped on the “white privilege” band wagon because the murderer hasn’t been called a “terrorist.”

“…listen to major media outlets and you won’t hear the word “terrorism” used in coverage of Tuesday’s shooting. You won’t hear the white male shooter, identified as 21-year-old Dylann Roof, described as “a possible terrorist.” And if coverage of recent shootings by white suspects is any indication, he never will be. Instead, the go-to explanation for his actions will be mental illness. He will be humanized and called sick, a victim of mistreatment or inadequate mental health resources. Activist Deray McKesson noted this morning that, while discussing Roof’s motivations, an MSNBC anchor said “we don’t know his mental condition.” That is the power of whiteness in America.”

Liberal Professor Makes HORRIBLE Claim About SC Church Massacre - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

What's the "horrible claim"? He is a terrorist.

The claim is based on the lie that whites are the only ones that are racist and do bad shit. Blacks kill twice as many whites in raw number every year and do shit out of racism all the time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The RWnuts can't admit this was rightwing racism because they're bound at the wrist and ankles to the proclamation that the only racist in America is Al Sharpton.

And you makes two

scumbag piece of shit

I'm a real veteran scumbag piece of shit. Get it right, Poser.