This is why we have gun crime, woman who gave guns to criminals: no prison time....

[2aguy]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Shreveport, Louisiana.....except for 2 republicans in the 1990s? Democrats have controlled that city since 1878.....

 

[2aguy]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Here ...let me help you with this....the truth...

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.


******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down.

New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing.

The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added).

These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey.

Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.

There....that should help you next time you run into and anti gun, Bait and Switch Article....

 

[2aguy]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

One last look at Bait and Switch....

The Dishonest Gun-Control Debate, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review


Take this, for example, from ThinkProgress’s Zack Beauchamp, with whom I had a discussion about the issue on Wednesday evening: “STUDY: States with loose gun laws have higher rates of gun violence.” The claim sounds like an entirely straightforward one. In English, it means that there is more gun violence in states with relatively liberal gun laws.

But that is of course not at all what it means.


In order to reach that conclusion, the authors of the study were obliged to insert a supplementary measure of “gun violence,” that being the “crime-gun export rate.” If a gun legally sold in Indiana ends up someday being used in a crime in Chicago, then that is counted as an incidence of gun violence in Indiana, even though it is no such thing.


This is a fairly nakedly political attempt to manipulate statistics in such a way as to attribute some portion of Chicago’s horrific crime epidemic to peaceable neighboring communities.


And even if we took the “gun-crime export rate” to be a meaningful metric, we would need to consider the fact that it accounts only for those guns sold legally. Of course states that do not have many legal gun sales do not generate a lot of records for “gun-crime exports.” It is probable that lots of guns sold in Illinois end up being used in crimes in Indiana; the difference is, those guns are sold on the black market, and so do not show up in the records. The choice of metrics is just another way to put a thumb on the scale.

 

[Old Rocks]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Oh...you are using the Bait and Switch article.....the link you gave uses Bait and Switch....they imply that all gun deaths are gun murder.......and hide the fact that in those states that they quote for gun deaths..the majority are actually gun suicides.....since they have almost little to no gun crime....

Notice how they use "Firearm Death Rate" and not "Firearm Murder Rate." That is the bait and switch...because if they don't do it...as you expand the number of states...their little ploy falls apart...as states with huge numbers of guns have extremely low gun crime and gun murder rates...but some have high gun suicide rates...which don't count...since other countries with almost absolute gun control...japan, China, south Korea...have higher suicide rates than we do.....

but thanks for playing.....Bait and Switch is a favorite game of gun grabbers....

LOL So what you are saying is that those in the Red states are so much more miserable than those in the Blue that they are killing themselves at an alarming rate. LOL Well, there is truth to that. Just look at the states that have the highest overdose rates. So, your red state compatriots cannot afford an education or to move, but the can afford guns and heroin. LOL Says a lot about the character of a red stater.

 

[Old Rocks]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Shreveport, Louisiana.....except for 2 republicans in the 1990s? Democrats have controlled that city since 1878.....

Hey cocksuck, it said Louisiana, not Shrevesport. Would you like to see the other five states where gun deaths are the highest? All but one are red states.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Shreveport, Louisiana.....except for 2 republicans in the 1990s? Democrats have controlled that city since 1878.....

Hey cocksuck, it said Louisiana, not Shrevesport. Would you like to see the other five states where gun deaths are the highest? All but one are red states.

remove suicides and your entire argument falls apart.

suicide is not a crime and the thread is about gun crime not choosing to kill yourself with a gun

 

[Old Rocks]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

 

[Skull Pilot]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

how many were MURDER?

suicide is not a crime

 

[Old Rocks]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Shreveport, Louisiana.....except for 2 republicans in the 1990s? Democrats have controlled that city since 1878.....

Hey cocksuck, it said Louisiana, not Shrevesport. Would you like to see the other five states where gun deaths are the highest? All but one are red states.

remove suicides and your entire argument falls apart.

suicide is not a crime and the thread is about gun crime not choosing to kill yourself with a gun

But attempted suicide is illegal.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-committing-suicide-illegal-1

Cliff Gilley, J.D. Criminal Law & Intellectual Property Law, Seattle University School of Law (2000)
Written 1 Aug 2014

Successfully committing suicide is not illegal; as you point out, you can't put a dead body in jail, nor can you try it for a crime.

And attempted suicide is illegal not so that we can "punish" the person who attempted to kill themselves, but so that the state can intervene and assess the mental state of the person who did so, and if there is some medical issue, force them into treatment so that perhaps they won't try again.

Rarely is someone who attempts suicide arrested, jailed, and tried for the crime, though it does happen in rare instances.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Shreveport, Louisiana.....except for 2 republicans in the 1990s? Democrats have controlled that city since 1878.....

Hey cocksuck, it said Louisiana, not Shrevesport. Would you like to see the other five states where gun deaths are the highest? All but one are red states.

remove suicides and your entire argument falls apart.

suicide is not a crime and the thread is about gun crime not choosing to kill yourself with a gun

But attempted suicide is illegal.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-committing-suicide-illegal-1

Cliff Gilley, J.D. Criminal Law & Intellectual Property Law, Seattle University School of Law (2000)
Written 1 Aug 2014

Successfully committing suicide is not illegal; as you point out, you can't put a dead body in jail, nor can you try it for a crime.

And attempted suicide is illegal not so that we can "punish" the person who attempted to kill themselves, but so that the state can intervene and assess the mental state of the person who did so, and if there is some medical issue, force them into treatment so that perhaps they won't try again.

Rarely is someone who attempts suicide arrested, jailed, and tried for the crime, though it does happen in rare instances.

attempted suicide by gun is not a gun death is it?

 

[Old Rocks]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

how many were MURDER?

suicide is not a crime

OK Skull. Then let's say that I would not want you to do anything illegal. LOL

 

[Skull Pilot]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

how many were MURDER?

suicide is not a crime

OK Skull. Then let's say that I would not want you to do anything illegal. LOL

as a CC permit holder I am a member of the population that as a demographic is more law abiding than the general public

 

[2aguy]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Oh...you are using the Bait and Switch article.....the link you gave uses Bait and Switch....they imply that all gun deaths are gun murder.......and hide the fact that in those states that they quote for gun deaths..the majority are actually gun suicides.....since they have almost little to no gun crime....

Notice how they use "Firearm Death Rate" and not "Firearm Murder Rate." That is the bait and switch...because if they don't do it...as you expand the number of states...their little ploy falls apart...as states with huge numbers of guns have extremely low gun crime and gun murder rates...but some have high gun suicide rates...which don't count...since other countries with almost absolute gun control...japan, China, south Korea...have higher suicide rates than we do.....

but thanks for playing.....Bait and Switch is a favorite game of gun grabbers....

LOL So what you are saying is that those in the Red states are so much more miserable than those in the Blue that they are killing themselves at an alarming rate. LOL Well, there is truth to that. Just look at the states that have the highest overdose rates. So, your red state compatriots cannot afford an education or to move, but the can afford guns and heroin. LOL Says a lot about the character of a red stater.

Those red states have blue cities in them run by democrats.....moron. That is what jacks up the rates. I just showed you that in Louisiana, the biggest cities have been run by democrats since the late 1800s.....

 

[2aguy]

We can never have enough guns in amurka, buy more now!

No...not really....we just need to make sure that those law abiding Americans who want or need a gun can get them.

Since the fact is that as more Americans bought and carried guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....all while we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns......and we now have over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense.

Britain? They banned guns in 1996....their gun crime rate never dropped and in fact......gun crime in London is up 42% in 2016....up 10% in 2015......

Is that why you fellows made sure that mentally impaired people can buy guns?

My goodness, when did these states go blue?

States with the most gun violence

These are the states with the most gun violence.

• Alaska. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000. ...
• Louisiana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 19.1 per 100,000. ...
• Mississippi. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.7 per 100,000. ...
• Alabama. > 2013 firearm death rate: 17.5 per 100,000. ...
• Montana. > 2013 firearm death rate: 16.8 per 100,000.

You are one fucked up liar.

Shreveport, Louisiana.....except for 2 republicans in the 1990s? Democrats have controlled that city since 1878.....

Hey cocksuck, it said Louisiana, not Shrevesport. Would you like to see the other five states where gun deaths are the highest? All but one are red states.

Gun deaths or gun murder asswipe.....?

Suicides do not count, but you need them to increase the total......other wise your gun murder rates aren't high enough.....

Japan, South Korea, China...absolute gun control for law abiding people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....also, France and other European countries, with extreme gun control, have higher suicide rates than we do..including Canada....

I showed you ass wipe that the largest cities in Louisiana have been run by democrats since the 1800s with their lax criminal control policies...criminals drive the gun murder rate, not law abiding citizens with guns.....

And as it stated in your own link, asswipe...Montana and Alaska have few gun murders.....but the highest suicide rates......moron.

 

[2aguy]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

And you do the Bait and switch..you imply gun murder but have to use gun suicde to jack up your numbers....


Tennessee... the 6 largest cities in Tennnessee are gun by democrats..with their easy attitude toward criminals.

It isn't the law abiding gun owner using guns to commit crimes and murder, moron....

 

[2aguy]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

Yes...hide the truth...let me repeat how you do it....

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Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down.

New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing.

The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added).

These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey.

Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.

 

[2aguy]

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
6. Wyoming (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
9. New Mexico
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.5

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
10. Tennessee (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 15.4

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


Why are you red staters so fucking miserable that you are always shooting yourselves? Could it have something to do with your sick fascination with guns?

Yes...death by gun.....thanks for hiding the gun murder rate by including suicides....

What you don't show...because it makes a lie out of your posts.....

America had 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carried guns for self defense in 1997.

In 2016 we now had 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense...

And What do we know happened in that time period.....?

--Gun murder went down 49%...that is the truth.....showing you don't know what you are talking about.

--gun crime went down 75%...fact......showing you don't know what you are talking about.

--violent crime went down 72%...fact....showing you don't know what you are talking about.....

Accidental gun deaths went down...fact...showing you don't know what you are talking about

In 2014, and 2015 non gun suicides out numbered gun suicides...fact....showing you don't know what you are talking about...

And each year, according to bill clinton and barak obama, AMericans use their legally owned and carried guns to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times.....

How many people were murdered in 2015 with guns....9,616......of those, how many were criminals murdered by other criminals? 70-80%...

So even in your statistics, they hide gun self defense and mix it in with gun murder by criminals by using Homicide rather than breaking down who was doing the shooting...

Never, ever trust anti gunners because the facts, the truth and reality show they are wrong, and everything they believe about guns is wrong.

But in order to push their anti gun agenda...they have to lie, hide the truth and play on emotion.....

And that is what old school is doing here......since the facts show he is wrong.