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Will you ever acknowledge that such a variant in attitude towards people receiving services and resources from the government is hypocritical?
Only under Communism there is a limit to what you can achieve.
No less than under capitalism.
I'm not a Biden supporter, nor did I mention the rich according to Biden's criteria. My household's combined income is almost 200K yearly. I live quite well myself. I don't have anything against anyone for generating a large income or being financially secure, it's the capitalists, particularly the big-money employers, to whom I direct most of my criticism to.No specific examples mentioned here. I’ve got some news for you. The “rich”, as defined by Biden, pay far and away more taxes that others. If your family earns 400k/yr, you can’t afford a team of accountants to find every loophole in the tax code. You typically aren’t living off of capital gains at that pay level. What you can’t do is invest in a Roth IRA, you didn’t get stimulus money, you don’t get the child tax credit which is up to $1700 per child under 17 in 2024 and is fully refundable, meaning you get it whether you pay taxes or not. The same goes for the EITC, which is also fully refundable. You are in a higher tax bracket. Though not specifically income based, those that make more money typically pay more property tax, in which case they can only write off 10k/yr, no matter how much they pay. Trump capped the deduction and ”rich” Democrats when bonkers. Biden will likely let that expire, to help his “rich” Democrat buddies.
There are actually many more caveats which most who aren’t in that position understand. I don’t know all of them myself and am often surprised by many restrictions.
Sure, but that is because those receiving perpetual government assistance is quite a bit different in many cases. Of course, I still don’t know what government assistance you are referring to when it comes to “rich” folks.
| COMPANY | LOCATION | SUBSIDY SOURCE | YEAR . | SUBSIDY VALUE | LOAN/BAILOUT VALUE | TYPE OF SUBSIDY |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $943,298 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $855,270 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $663,527 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $1,677,680 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $1,451,603 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $1,090,545 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $425,314 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $407,603 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $359,828 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $563,119 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $535,977 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | Oklahoma | state | 2023 | $473,352 | grant | |
| Boeing | Missouri | local | 2023 | $185,669,997 | MEGADEAL  | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $215,380 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $227,119 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $375,170 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $380,895 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $445,908 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $449,484 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $469,007 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $469,819 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $490,570 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $501,941 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $551,885 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $555,821 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $708,755 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $721,967 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $808,880 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $827,067 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $852,596 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $1,070,672 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $1,153,563 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $1,199,546 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2022 | $1,317,033 | grant | |
| Digital Receiver Technology, Inc. | Maryland | state | 2022 | $250,000 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company | New Mexico | state | 2022 | $780,695 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company Portland Business Unit | Oregon | local | 2022 | $1,815,665 | property tax abatement | |
| The Boeing Company | United States | federal | 2022 | $1,040,304 | federal grant | |
| The Boeing Company | New Mexico | State | 2021 | $925,074 | grant | |
| Boeing Company, The | United States | federal | 2021 | $327,879,000 | federal loan or loan guarantee | |
| Boeing Company, The | United States | federal | 2021 | $450,000,000 | federal loan or loan guarantee | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $175,412 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $192,941 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $204,088 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $209,292 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $225,858 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $299,097 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $321,420 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $352,467 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $364,029 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $384,277 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $391,782 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $428,192 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $435,107 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $447,360 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $464,060 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $480,848 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $494,102 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $500,061 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $521,555 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $553,938 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $581,183 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $826,616 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,002,898 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,101,675 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,161,213 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,183,193 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,252,341 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,252,659 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,453,002 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2021 | $1,490,363 | grant | |
| Digital Receiver Technology, Inc. | Maryland | state | 2021 | $62,075 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company | Washington | state | 2021 | $53,779,100 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company | Washington | state | 2021 | $48,938,000 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company | Washington | state | 2021 | $9,286,890 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company | Washington | state | 2021 | $157,881 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company | Florida | local | 2021 | $425,000 | grant | |
| Boeing Co | Pennsylvania | state | 2021 | $818,400 | tax credit/rebate | |
| The Boeing Company Portland Business Unit | Oregon | local | 2021 | $1,900,615 | property tax abatement | |
| The Boeing Company | New Mexico | State | 2020 | $1,379,641 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | New Mexico | State | 2020 | $633,948 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company | New Mexico | State | 2020 | $153,283 | grant | |
| The Boeing Company - Amendment | New Mexico | State | 2020 | $52,595 | grant | |
| Boeing Company, The | United States | federal | 2020 | $498,382,200 | federal loan or loan guarantee | |
| Boeing | Oregon | local | 2020 | $761,248 | property tax abatement | |
| The Boeing Company Portland Business Unit | Oregon | local | 2020 | $2,008,617 | property tax abatement | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $149,925 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $162,216 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $172,056 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $185,802 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $198,858 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $208,023 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $240,695 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $268,425 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $332,756 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $401,741 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $472,800 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $478,104 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $483,843 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $502,826 | grant | |
| THE BOEING COMPANY | Oklahoma | state | 2020 | $518,185 | grant |
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COMPANY LOCATION SUBSIDY SOURCE YEAR SUBSIDY VALUE LOAN/BAILOUT VALUE TYPE OF SUBSIDY The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $943,298 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $855,270 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $663,527 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $1,677,680 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $1,451,603 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $1,090,545 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $425,314 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $407,603 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $359,828 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $563,119 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $535,977 grant The Boeing Company Oklahoma state 2023 $473,352 grant Boeing Missouri local 2023 $185,669,997 MEGADEAL THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $215,380 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $227,119 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $375,170 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $380,895 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $445,908 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $449,484 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $469,007 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $469,819 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $490,570 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $501,941 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $551,885 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $555,821 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $708,755 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $721,967 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $808,880 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $827,067 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $852,596 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $1,070,672 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $1,153,563 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $1,199,546 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2022 $1,317,033 grant Digital Receiver Technology, Inc. Maryland state 2022 $250,000 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company New Mexico state 2022 $780,695 grant The Boeing Company Portland Business Unit Oregon local 2022 $1,815,665 property tax abatement The Boeing Company United States federal 2022 $1,040,304 federal grant The Boeing Company New Mexico State 2021 $925,074 grant Boeing Company, The United States federal 2021 $327,879,000 federal loan or loan guarantee Boeing Company, The United States federal 2021 $450,000,000 federal loan or loan guarantee THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $175,412 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $192,941 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $204,088 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $209,292 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $225,858 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $299,097 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $321,420 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $352,467 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $364,029 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $384,277 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $391,782 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $428,192 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $435,107 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $447,360 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $464,060 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $480,848 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $494,102 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $500,061 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $521,555 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $553,938 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $581,183 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $826,616 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,002,898 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,101,675 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,161,213 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,183,193 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,252,341 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,252,659 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,453,002 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2021 $1,490,363 grant Digital Receiver Technology, Inc. Maryland state 2021 $62,075 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company Washington state 2021 $53,779,100 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company Washington state 2021 $48,938,000 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company Washington state 2021 $9,286,890 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company Washington state 2021 $157,881 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company Florida local 2021 $425,000 grant Boeing Co Pennsylvania state 2021 $818,400 tax credit/rebate The Boeing Company Portland Business Unit Oregon local 2021 $1,900,615 property tax abatement The Boeing Company New Mexico State 2020 $1,379,641 grant The Boeing Company New Mexico State 2020 $633,948 grant The Boeing Company New Mexico State 2020 $153,283 grant The Boeing Company - Amendment New Mexico State 2020 $52,595 grant Boeing Company, The United States federal 2020 $498,382,200 federal loan or loan guarantee Boeing Oregon local 2020 $761,248 property tax abatement The Boeing Company Portland Business Unit Oregon local 2020 $2,008,617 property tax abatement THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $149,925 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $162,216 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $172,056 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $185,802 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $198,858 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $208,023 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $240,695 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $268,425 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $332,756 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $401,741 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $472,800 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $478,104 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $483,843 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $502,826 grant THE BOEING COMPANY Oklahoma state 2020 $518,185 grant
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If they can get that, the working class shouldn't be criticized when it receives its government services and resources.
Worker-owned cooperatives have already proven to be more robust, resilient and profitable than normal businesses. One of the reasons the government's SBA doesn't assist entrepreneurs wanting to launch a co-op, or why banks refuse to lend them money is indeed due to prejudice, if not a systemic aversion to workers being in the position of collective owners of a business enterprise that doesn't follow the typical, "safe" model. Does it serve capitalists to compete against co-ops? No.Banks are in the business of making money. They feel that worker coops are risky. If they felt they could make money, they would finance their loans. Remember, they are “greedy Capitalists”, not social welfare warriors. Or are you attempting to say they are social welfare warriors but for the wealthy class, not the working class?
If by society you mean the labor markets, yes. People are paid based on their value relative to others. Why do pro-sports athletes make so much money? Could it be because few can do the same thing at the same level? If hamburger flippers and ice cream scoopers were very difficult to come by, guess what, those who chose those professions would make more money.
Right, you justify the wealthy being the recipients of plenty of socialism but when the working class want socialism, you accuse them of being lazy bums who don't want to work. Convenient.Add up those subsidies and compare them with subsidies given to the working class as you call them. It isn’t even close. Also, Boeing is a top 10 DOW stock that provides a huge service to our country. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Right, you justify the wealthy being the recipients of plenty of socialism but when the working class want socialism, you accuse them of being lazy bums who don't want to work. Convenient.
Add up those subsidies and compare them with subsidies given to the working class as you call them. It isn’t even close. Also, Boeing is a top 10 DOW stock that provides a huge service to our country. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Taxes are theft, pure an simple. We don't get anything in return.That is what Billy was saying
In other words….Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society
Please explain to me where we find in Capitalism where taxpayers should be on the hook for these business expenses?
Is that really "Capitalism" to you?
This is patently false. My wife’s family came from Communism and would laugh in your face. They were(retired) both college educated professionals and would tell you first hand that life is infinitely better in a Capitalist society like the US than their former country. They do admit that US inner cities, NYC specifically, are dumps, even relative to where they came, however, they were smart enough to leave that area and take advantage of the number of opportunities elsewhere. They live far better now than they did in their former country, despite not being native English speakers and not being able to take full advantage of the formal education they received in their home country. They were top earners in their former country and yet their standard of living was nowhere near what it is in the US.
In short, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. You have bought into a false narrative that is out of touch with reality.
Capitalism requires it, because without it, it fails to function, collapsing every few years. A free market economy has never existed without plenty of government oversight and assistance. Your unicorn is just in your mind, not in reality. Cronyism is also endemic to capitalism, it will happen naturally, without fail.I am not making that argument. He brought up subsidies to Boeing and I told him why they were given. Where does it say that Capitalism should be giving many of the subsidies we provide?
I am not making that argument. He brought up subsidies to Boeing and I told him why they were given. Where does it say that Capitalism should be giving many of the subsidies we provide?
Taxes are theft, pure an simple. We don't get anything in return.That is what Billy was saying
In other words….Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society
Horseshit. Capitalism doesn't fail. Government interference is what fails. An economy with "plenty of government oversight" is the opposite of a free market economy.Capitalism requires it, because without it, it fails to function, collapsing every few years. A free market economy has never existed without plenty of government oversight and assistance. Your unicorn is just in your mind, not in reality. Cronyism is also endemic to capitalism, it will happen naturally, without fail.
This is patently false. My wife’s family came from Communism and would laugh in your face.
My wife was born in the USSR and she would disagree with your wife.
They were(retired) both college educated professionals and would tell you first hand that life is infinitely better in a Capitalist society like the US than their former country.
She would disagree that it is "infinitely better", especially here in the US. Maybe in certain parts of Western Europe, but those are mixed economies, essentially socialistic, compared to America. The USSR was in a state of war throughout its history with very powerful capitalist countries, so in view of that, and what they accomplished, they had a pretty impressive track record, becoming the second largest economy in the world. People didn't have it as bad as the Cold War propaganda claims they did.
They do admit that US inner cities, NYC specifically, are dumps, even relative to where they came, however, they were smart enough to leave that area and take advantage of the number of opportunities elsewhere. They live far better now than they did in their former country, despite not being native English speakers and not being able to take full advantage of the formal education they received in their home country.
My grandparents who migrated to Miami, Florida from Cuba, also lived better than Cubans on the Island, but Cuba is an Island, in the shadow of a capitalist empire, under an economic embargo. The communists have always been under the heel of American economic and military "wrath", hence that has to be factored into the equation when comparing both economic systems. Marketless, non-profit, centrally planned economies, are doomed from the very start, with an enemy like the United States. If you're a market socialist, with a bit of central planning, you'll probably be OK, provided you're not too close to the US border.
They were top earners in their former country and yet their standard of living was nowhere near what it is in the US.
That wasn't true for everybody, there were members of the scientific community, academia, and entertainers..etc, who enjoyed a high standard of living. If the USSR wouldn't have been taken over by a bunch of anti-Stalinist revionists, their "5th column", the USSR today in 2024, with all of the technology available, would provide its citizens with an extremely high standard of living, surpassing that of the United States.
In short, you don’t have a clue...
I do, and you apparently don't have a clue about my background and what I know. Your "my wife from communist Russia" game, doesn't work with me, because I have a bunch of people in my family born in communism, not just in Cuba but in different Eastern Europe as well. You chose the wrong debate opponent to play that little game.
...what you are talking about. You have bought into a false narrative that is out of touch with reality.
You're the one who's ignorant of history and unable to think rationally on this topic, not me.
You brought up Boeing, not me. They are a huge corporation responsible for supplying our country and the world with a very important and critical component to our economy and yet the subsidies they receive pale in comparison to working class subsidies.You brought up Boeing, not me. They are a huge corporation responsible for supplying our country and the word with a very important and critical component to our economy and yet the subsidies they receive pale in comparison to working class subsidies. In addition, every person receiving subsidies isn’t performing a critical service, if any, to our country and our economy. In fact, in many cases, quite the opposite, which is why there is often a stigma.
Capitalism has never been able to function without government infrastructure and oversight, historically it always falls. You can deny it, but that's fine, that's expected. You're delusional.Taxes are theft, pure an simple. We don't get anything in return.
Horseshit. Capitalism doesn't fail. Government interference is what fails. An economy with "plenty of government oversight" is the opposite of a free market economy.
Taxes are theft, pure an simple. We don't get anything in return.
Horseshit. Capitalism doesn't fail. Government interference is what fails. An economy with "plenty of government oversight" is the opposite of a free market economy.
Do you somehow think we have a free market economy?Taxes are theft, pure an simple. We don't get anything in return.
Horseshit. Capitalism doesn't fail. Government interference is what fails. An economy with "plenty of government oversight" is the opposite of a free market economy.
