This photo captures the difference between socialists and freedom loving capitalists...

[Darkwind]

In America, a housemaid of little means can start a maid service business and make a thousand dollars in the first month...

In the second, he or she could triple the number of customers who need that service and now they are raking in 3 grand a month..

In the third month, they can add 1.5 times the number of clients they have and bring their total work hours up to 50 per week, and make 4.5k per month......

After that, they'll need a bit of training to understand how the socialists will now begin to take money from the extra help they have to hire to help them expand even more. It takes the wages of the new employee, and the associated taxes, plus the taxes of the housemaid to pay for the unnecessary programs that the socialists want...

So now, instead of expanding at the rate of 1.5 new clients a month....that is slowed to .3 clients a month...

Yet, the expansion continues...and after two years, that house maid is now able to afford the very house that morons like carby says is not fair that the original employer has....

Oops...

 

[2aguy]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

 

[David_42]

That statement is utter nonsense. Capitalism's nature is to have NO restraints. Restraints must be imposed on capitalism from outside sources.

Competition is the only restraint that works.......that and the fact for a captialist to succeed....he has to make people happy.....

The government bureaucrat in charge of toilet paper has no one to make sure he does his job right...and the state runs out of toilet paper...ask Venezuela...

This doesn't fit reality, early 20th century america/europe, and going back to the dawn of capitalism, conditions were very bad for the workers, no safety laws, capitalists violently fighting labor organizing, children working to get a loaf of bread... The government had to step in.

Yeah...the switch from the misery of a manual labor agrarian culture to an industrial one was messy...why? Because it had never happened before.....now we have people with rock climbing walls at work........things do not change over night and things are not made perfect over night....it has taken us this long to get where we are and we have cleaned up the environment, and work conditions are excellent for even the most manual of laborers.....

And what made all those safety laws, and improvements....captialism...people became wealthier than ever before, and they demanded more from their lives...because they had money to make it happen.........

Socialism destroys innovation and achievement........

It did not seem to inhibit Nazi Germany...

Yeah it did......look at innovation...they only had it in war machines and that wouldn't last......just like the soviet union had top notch military jets....but couldn't feed their people...

The soviet union did alot more then develop military jets..
List of space exploration milestones 1957 1969 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Moonglow]

That statement is utter nonsense. Capitalism's nature is to have NO restraints. Restraints must be imposed on capitalism from outside sources.

Competition is the only restraint that works.......that and the fact for a captialist to succeed....he has to make people happy.....

The government bureaucrat in charge of toilet paper has no one to make sure he does his job right...and the state runs out of toilet paper...ask Venezuela...

This doesn't fit reality, early 20th century america/europe, and going back to the dawn of capitalism, conditions were very bad for the workers, no safety laws, capitalists violently fighting labor organizing, children working to get a loaf of bread... The government had to step in.

Yeah...the switch from the misery of a manual labor agrarian culture to an industrial one was messy...why? Because it had never happened before.....now we have people with rock climbing walls at work........things do not change over night and things are not made perfect over night....it has taken us this long to get where we are and we have cleaned up the environment, and work conditions are excellent for even the most manual of laborers.....

And what made all those safety laws, and improvements....captialism...people became wealthier than ever before, and they demanded more from their lives...because they had money to make it happen.........

Socialism destroys innovation and achievement........

It did not seem to inhibit Nazi Germany...

Yeah it did......look at innovation...they only had it in war machines and that wouldn't last......just like the soviet union had top notch military jets....but couldn't feed their people...

The russians have historically been unable to feed their people, even under monarchies...And the nazi's had more than a war machine but a economic system which defied capitalist control.

 

[Lakhota]

Capitalists like to "game the system" to avoid regulations and dodge paying taxes.

Gaming the system (also referred to as gaming the rules, bending the rules, abusing the system, cheating the system, milking the system, playing the system, or working the system) can be defined as using the rules and procedures meant to protect a system in order, instead, to manipulate the system for a desired outcome.[1]

Gaming the system - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Moonglow]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Mass graves, i suppose the many religious wars hurt no one?

 

[David_42]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Why are you assuming I support mass graves? I'm a social democrat, I want nothing to do with authoritarian socialism, who says I support banning guns? I agree that assault weapons should be banned in cities, but that's about it.

 

[2aguy]

They are beginning to collapse...people are not working and they are running out of tax money to fund their welfare paradises...that is why they have to import so many foreign workers.....

I don't think they are beginning to collapse at all, people are working there, want to discuss the employment rates? Welfare paradises? What does that even mean?
List of countries by unemployment rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yeah tell me again how the welfare states aren't in trouble.....

French unemployment rising to record high Business DW.COM 01.06.2015

How does a single period in france indicate that "welfare" states are in trouble, when germany/etc are doing just fine? Socio-economic landscapes change constantly, it's intellectually dishonest to cherry pick, and you know it is.

Not Cherry picking...look at the deep numbers.....birth rates, job growth, and you cherry pick the one workaholic country in Europe who has half the country that just got out from under socialism and are looking to live the life of freedom.....

Which country are we talking about here? France?
2.01 births per woman (2012) - France
"
France has the world's sixth-largest economy by nominal figures and the ninth largest economy by PPP figures.[9] It has the third-largest economy in Europe with Germany and the UK in 1st and 2nd.[10] OECD is headquartered in Paris, the nation's financial capital.

The chemical industry is a key sector for France, helping to develop other manufacturing activities and contributing to economic growth.[11] France's tourism industry is a major component of the economy, as France is the most visited destination in the world.[12][13] In 2010, Credit Suisse's Global Wealth Report ranked France the wealthiest European country with 2.6 million dollar-millionaires, and the world's 4th wealthiest[14] nation[15] in aggregate household wealth. According to the IMF, in 2013, France was the world's 20th country by GDP per capita with $44,099 per inhabitant. In 2013, France was listed on the United Nations's Human Development Index with 0.884 (very high human development) and 25th on the Corruption Perceptions Index.

After the turn of the millennium, wealth per adult grew very strongly in France, tripling in value between 2000 and 2007. France's economy entered the recession of the late 2000s later and appeared to leave it earlier than most affected economies, only enduring four-quarters of contraction.[16] However, France experienced stagnant growth between 2012 and 2014, with the economy growing by 0% in 2012, 0.8% in 2013 and 0.2% in 2014, though growth picked up sharply in Q1 2015, as the economy expanded by 0.6%.[17]
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Germany has uhc, virtually free education, maternity leave, etc..

Like I said you have to look deeper....

France the new sick man of Europe World news The Guardian

Hollande has three interlocking problems. Problem number one is that France is becoming less competitive within the eurozone and the wider global economy. Business costs are high and productivity is weak. France's industrial base has been subject to less hollowing out than Britain's but the recent deterioration in the French trade deficit tells its own story.

 

[Moonglow]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Why are you assuming I support mass graves? I'm a social democrat, I want nothing to do with authoritarian socialism, who says I support banning guns? I agree that assault weapons should be banned in cities, but that's about it.

It's a preconceived notion of debate..

 

[David_42]

I don't think they are beginning to collapse at all, people are working there, want to discuss the employment rates? Welfare paradises? What does that even mean?
List of countries by unemployment rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yeah tell me again how the welfare states aren't in trouble.....

French unemployment rising to record high Business DW.COM 01.06.2015

How does a single period in france indicate that "welfare" states are in trouble, when germany/etc are doing just fine? Socio-economic landscapes change constantly, it's intellectually dishonest to cherry pick, and you know it is.

Not Cherry picking...look at the deep numbers.....birth rates, job growth, and you cherry pick the one workaholic country in Europe who has half the country that just got out from under socialism and are looking to live the life of freedom.....

Which country are we talking about here? France?
2.01 births per woman (2012) - France
"
France has the world's sixth-largest economy by nominal figures and the ninth largest economy by PPP figures.[9] It has the third-largest economy in Europe with Germany and the UK in 1st and 2nd.[10] OECD is headquartered in Paris, the nation's financial capital.

The chemical industry is a key sector for France, helping to develop other manufacturing activities and contributing to economic growth.[11] France's tourism industry is a major component of the economy, as France is the most visited destination in the world.[12][13] In 2010, Credit Suisse's Global Wealth Report ranked France the wealthiest European country with 2.6 million dollar-millionaires, and the world's 4th wealthiest[14] nation[15] in aggregate household wealth. According to the IMF, in 2013, France was the world's 20th country by GDP per capita with $44,099 per inhabitant. In 2013, France was listed on the United Nations's Human Development Index with 0.884 (very high human development) and 25th on the Corruption Perceptions Index.

After the turn of the millennium, wealth per adult grew very strongly in France, tripling in value between 2000 and 2007. France's economy entered the recession of the late 2000s later and appeared to leave it earlier than most affected economies, only enduring four-quarters of contraction.[16] However, France experienced stagnant growth between 2012 and 2014, with the economy growing by 0% in 2012, 0.8% in 2013 and 0.2% in 2014, though growth picked up sharply in Q1 2015, as the economy expanded by 0.6%.[17]
"
Germany has uhc, virtually free education, maternity leave, etc..

Like I said you have to look deeper....

France the new sick man of Europe World news The Guardian

That article does nothing to refute the facts. France's growth picked up in 2015, it left the late recession of the 2000's earlier. It had stagnant growth in 2012-2014 but now it's getting back on it's feet, every country experiences bad times and good times.

 

[David_42]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Why are you assuming I support mass graves? I'm a social democrat, I want nothing to do with authoritarian socialism, who says I support banning guns? I agree that assault weapons should be banned in cities, but that's about it.

It's a preconceived notion of debate..

Beginning to see that quite a few members of this site have no interest in actual debate.

 

[2aguy]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Why are you assuming I support mass graves? I'm a social democrat, I want nothing to do with authoritarian socialism, who says I support banning guns? I agree that assault weapons should be banned in cities, but that's about it.

I'm sure you don't support mass graves....the belief system you support will lead to them....that's the problem..your system is based in jealousy of those with more.....and eventually, when the system is stressed, the worst of your kind will take over....and where you simply question the need of someone wanting a house that big...they will make it a policy of taking that house from that person.....

Why should assault weapons be banned.....they kill fewer people than knives or empty hands....ban those first...

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't see capitalists doing much for the homeless when their are plenty of homes available...

T

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Does the capitalist who owns that house pay his gardener and housekeeper enough to have the same house?

Does the gardener and housekeeper have advanced degrees?

The cool thing about a capitialist society...you don't need an advanced degree..as you would need in Europe or a socialist country to get a good government job.....you can start a business and become a millionaire........just by working real hard at doing something someone needs done that you can do better than the other guy...

That is the miracle of Capitalism........

European countries are generally social democracies, a mixture of capitalism and socialism, yes, you can start a business and become a millionaire in any first world country, if you're lucky, have start up capital, etc, etc.. Tons of people are trying to move up and only a few will, they're all hard working, only a few will become the millionaires. There is nothing wrong with capitalism if it is regulated.

No that's really not true. The very high and steeply progressive tax rates keep people from becoming very wealthy. That's why people come here. Or used to
Where is the equivalent of Sergey Brin and Bill Gates in Europe?

 

[idb]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Heh...your cartoon understanding of politics is so adorable!

 

[sealybobo]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Wouldn't the Republican position be a communist one?

And you are wrong about the democratic position. They just want an environment where getting a house like that is possible.

I feel sorry for the next generation. Higher student loans lower pay less or no pension or social security and higher medicare costs if medicare isn't privatized then don't expect to die with anything left.

 

[Lakhota]

Yeah tell me again how the welfare states aren't in trouble.....

French unemployment rising to record high Business DW.COM 01.06.2015

How does a single period in france indicate that "welfare" states are in trouble, when germany/etc are doing just fine? Socio-economic landscapes change constantly, it's intellectually dishonest to cherry pick, and you know it is.

Not Cherry picking...look at the deep numbers.....birth rates, job growth, and you cherry pick the one workaholic country in Europe who has half the country that just got out from under socialism and are looking to live the life of freedom.....

Which country are we talking about here? France?
2.01 births per woman (2012) - France
"
France has the world's sixth-largest economy by nominal figures and the ninth largest economy by PPP figures.[9] It has the third-largest economy in Europe with Germany and the UK in 1st and 2nd.[10] OECD is headquartered in Paris, the nation's financial capital.

The chemical industry is a key sector for France, helping to develop other manufacturing activities and contributing to economic growth.[11] France's tourism industry is a major component of the economy, as France is the most visited destination in the world.[12][13] In 2010, Credit Suisse's Global Wealth Report ranked France the wealthiest European country with 2.6 million dollar-millionaires, and the world's 4th wealthiest[14] nation[15] in aggregate household wealth. According to the IMF, in 2013, France was the world's 20th country by GDP per capita with $44,099 per inhabitant. In 2013, France was listed on the United Nations's Human Development Index with 0.884 (very high human development) and 25th on the Corruption Perceptions Index.

After the turn of the millennium, wealth per adult grew very strongly in France, tripling in value between 2000 and 2007. France's economy entered the recession of the late 2000s later and appeared to leave it earlier than most affected economies, only enduring four-quarters of contraction.[16] However, France experienced stagnant growth between 2012 and 2014, with the economy growing by 0% in 2012, 0.8% in 2013 and 0.2% in 2014, though growth picked up sharply in Q1 2015, as the economy expanded by 0.6%.[17]
"
Germany has uhc, virtually free education, maternity leave, etc..

Like I said you have to look deeper....

France the new sick man of Europe World news The Guardian

That article does nothing to refute the facts. France's growth picked up in 2015, it left the late recession of the 2000's earlier. It had stagnant growth in 2012-2014 but now it's getting back on it's feet, every country experiences bad times and good times.

Typical business cycle phases.

 

[The Rabbi]

Unfettered capitalism is as destructive as unfettered socialism. Both need regulated. An optimum combination of both is best.

There is no such thing a unfettered capitalism. Capitalism by nature has restraints.

That statement is utter nonsense. Capitalism's nature is to have NO restraints. Restraints must be imposed on capitalism from outside sources.

Competition is the only restraint that works.......that and the fact for a captialist to succeed....he has to make people happy.....

The government bureaucrat in charge of toilet paper has no one to make sure he does his job right...and the state runs out of toilet paper...ask Venezuela...

This doesn't fit reality, early 20th century america/europe, and going back to the dawn of capitalism, conditions were very bad for the workers, no safety laws, capitalists violently fighting labor organizing, children working to get a loaf of bread... The government had to step in.

That really omits a lot of history. Sure by our standards things looked bad. But it represented an improvement for people at the time, who largely fled rural areas and starvation. They could at least find work and support themselves.

 

[Darkwind]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Mass graves, i suppose the many religious wars hurt no one?

Many? You can name these religious wars?

 

[David_42]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Why would anyone want a house like that even if you can afford it? It's a monstrosity. It's a giant lawn ornament.

Why does anyone need a house like that?

Because they like the space, the look or any number of factors....and right there...you show why you socialists can never let go of the mass graves...because the real serious socialists know that some people will always want a house like that....and they will upset the apple cart with that kind of thinking...so they get out their shovels...and their guns....the guns you guys only want the government to have....

Why are you assuming I support mass graves? I'm a social democrat, I want nothing to do with authoritarian socialism, who says I support banning guns? I agree that assault weapons should be banned in cities, but that's about it.

I'm sure you don't support mass graves....the belief system you support will lead to them....that's the problem..your system is based in jealousy of those with more.....and eventually, when the system is stressed, the worst of your kind will take over....and where you simply question the need of someone wanting a house that big...they will make it a policy of taking that house from that person.....

Why should assault weapons be banned.....they kill fewer people than knives or empty hands....ban those first...

What are you talking.. ugh. Social democracies exist in many countries, a mixture of capitalism and regulations/government run programs/strong labor rights. NEVER have mass graves arose in these places, at all, mass graves are caused by people from all sides of the political spectrum, not just authoritarian socialists. Socialism is not based in jealousy, the word goes back to refer to many things, the modern american term usually refers to public ownership, usually through the government, and things such as UHC, maternity leave, food stamps, etc.. If so, I am a socialist in that way. The system gets stressed and the worst take over? That can happen on any political spectrum. In large, crowded cities, there is no reason to have an assault weapon, apart from mowing down people in a fast matter.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't see capitalists doing much for the homeless when their are plenty of homes available...

T

Does the capitalist who owns that house pay his gardener and housekeeper enough to have the same house?

Does the gardener and housekeeper have advanced degrees?

The cool thing about a capitialist society...you don't need an advanced degree..as you would need in Europe or a socialist country to get a good government job.....you can start a business and become a millionaire........just by working real hard at doing something someone needs done that you can do better than the other guy...

That is the miracle of Capitalism........

European countries are generally social democracies, a mixture of capitalism and socialism, yes, you can start a business and become a millionaire in any first world country, if you're lucky, have start up capital, etc, etc.. Tons of people are trying to move up and only a few will, they're all hard working, only a few will become the millionaires. There is nothing wrong with capitalism if it is regulated.

They are beginning to collapse...people are not working and they are running out of tax money to fund their welfare paradises...that is why they have to import so many foreign workers.....

I don't think they are beginning to collapse at all, people are working there, want to discuss the employment rates? Welfare paradises? What does that even mean?
List of countries by unemployment rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

They have huge structural unemployment issues, especially among the Muslims, who are the only growing part of the population. European birth reates are well below replacement.