This woman disproves gun control beliefs.....

That's because they don't exist or the defender is involved in criminal activity.
I don't think that's so. What do you base such a biased notion on?

The unfortunate fact is it is extremely difficult to obtain a CCW in most parts of the U.S. If this were not so there would be a dramatic increase in the number of gun-related defense incidents -- both self-defense and defense of another.

For there to be lots of lawful defenses there needs to be lots of crime. Areas with high crime rates also have low lawful gun ownership. But you bet gang members need to defend themselves quite regularly.
 
That's because they don't exist or the defender is involved in criminal activity.
I don't think that's so. What do you base such a biased notion on?

The unfortunate fact is it is extremely difficult to obtain a CCW in most parts of the U.S. If this were not so there would be a dramatic increase in the number of gun-related defense incidents -- both self-defense and defense of another.

Correct there, I couldn't get a carry permit when I had a cash business. I could have my .38 in my pocket on business premises, but had to put the pistol in the trunk of car while driving home or to the bank. This was California in the 80's. I broke the law and kept the gun with me in the car anyway. Similar situation with a friend of mine. In an auto accident, the cops found the gun in his glove box, he had to get a lawyer. Mucho bucks for a lawyer and a year probation and fine. Without a lawyer, probably jail time with the real criminals.
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


and that is mainly became use you guys have made al oat all public areas gun free zones......which means normal gun owners leave their guns at home...and the killers have no one to stop them...because you disarmed them...

And yet...when an idiot actually attacks somewhere where there are armed citizens, those citizens have stopped the shooters.....
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.



There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


actually...it happens this many times a year...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
And
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.


Yes, according to bill clinton, Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals...

non fatal gun accidents... 19,000

fatal gun accidents... 505

Can you tell which number is bigger...?
 
We need guns to protect us from other people with guns. I have heard that a time or two. Imagine IF those bad people didn't have firearms, would that hurt us as a society not to feel the need to carry guns for protection? Would THAT be such a terrible thing?
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


And yet....as I said earlier...when there are armed citizens at the scene....many lives are saved...that is what you anti gun nuts claim is important...right?

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
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No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”
 
We need guns to protect us from other people with guns. I have heard that a time or two. Imagine IF those bad people didn't have firearms, would that hurt us as a society not to feel the need to carry guns for protection? Would THAT be such a terrible thing?


We saw what happened....Europe disarmed their citizens after World War 1.....20 years later they marched 12 million innocent men, women and children into gas chambers...

if you average the number of people murdered by their governments because they were disarmed......the murder in Europe exceeds the yearly murder rate in the U.S.........

And gun crime in Britain is up 4% after they confiscated guns....and they are now arming more of their police to deal with the increased gang, gun crime.....

Australia is also seeing an increase in gun crime....and they also confiscated their guns.......
 
We need guns to protect us from other people with guns. I have heard that a time or two. Imagine IF those bad people didn't have firearms, would that hurt us as a society not to feel the need to carry guns for protection? Would THAT be such a terrible thing?


We saw what happened....Europe disarmed their citizens after World War 1.....20 years later they marched 12 million innocent men, women and children into gas chambers...

if you average the number of people murdered by their governments because they were disarmed......the murder in Europe exceeds the yearly murder rate in the U.S.........

And gun crime in Britain is up 4% after they confiscated guns....and they are now arming more of their police to deal with the increased gang, gun crime.....

Australia is also seeing an increase in gun crime....and they also confiscated their guns.......

Most of Europe has low ownership and they are fine. Low crime rates and almost no accidental shootings.
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


And the press rarely covers gun self defense...

KORWIN: The Undetectable Gun Myth & If Self Defense Was Common News Would Report It To You Myth



If-Self-Defense-Was-Common-It-Would-Be-In-The-News-More Myth:

“It’s easy to prove that guns serve no valid purpose, because if they really stopped crime and worked for self defense you’d see it more in the news! Hah!”

Case in point: The Fabricius Case is about an ASU professor who, with his high-school-student son, counted local crime stories, decided self defense is rare, and declared it a scientific study. The community paper (now defunct), and a medical journal (from Canada), ran the “conclusion” as if it meant something. They took heat, but let it stand (juicy details at the link).

The media deliberately suppresses stories about self defense and highlights stories about misuse of guns, “for reasons that were unclear at press time.”

Actually, the reasons are well known—mainstream reporters are generally left-leaning gun-hating liberals. Studies constantly show it suits them, fits their bias, and matches their world view to hide truth on this issue. That’s what they do, they can’t see it, won’t admit it. I follow it closely, confront them about it all the time, it’s like they’re brain dead. Google the subject and be stunned.

An Associated Press bureau reporter once told me his bureau chief wouldn’t let a self-defense story run because it might encourage copy cats. I report on it frequently here, and here. The CBS-TV ratio of anti-rights to pro-rights stories recently was 22 to 1 against. Their ethical standards? They have none.

Dr. John Lott surveyed the media, the numbers are impossibly upside down. In one year, USA Today ran 6,000 words on gun-related crime and zero on the good that guns enable. A book is available (Armed) outlining 13 scholarly studies showing between 700,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year. Bloomfield Press pays to put self-defense stories in USA Today, as ads, so at least some news gets out. Excellent write up about it here.

Media excuses for suppressing self defense are myths unto themselves: they certainly wouldn’t want: to promote “vigilantism” (which is a criminal act and not self defense); frontier justice and taking the law into your own hands (which has nothing to do with self defense against assault); a dangerously armed public with everyone “packing heat” (a derogatory slur reporters love and use constantly); individual responsibility (OMG!) supplanting big-brother government safety (which everyone sees doesn’t work); stand-your-ground “shoot-first” Wild-West scenarios (silliness reflecting neither law nor common sense)—reporting on this is as mythical as virtually everything else you see about guns, if it’s on TV or in a “news” paper.

 
We need guns to protect us from other people with guns. I have heard that a time or two. Imagine IF those bad people didn't have firearms, would that hurt us as a society not to feel the need to carry guns for protection? Would THAT be such a terrible thing?


We saw what happened....Europe disarmed their citizens after World War 1.....20 years later they marched 12 million innocent men, women and children into gas chambers...

if you average the number of people murdered by their governments because they were disarmed......the murder in Europe exceeds the yearly murder rate in the U.S.........

And gun crime in Britain is up 4% after they confiscated guns....and they are now arming more of their police to deal with the increased gang, gun crime.....

Australia is also seeing an increase in gun crime....and they also confiscated their guns.......

Most of Europe has low ownership and they are fine. Low crime rates and almost no accidental shootings.


Britain's gun crime went up 4%.......and the 12 million people who were murdered didn't think they were fine......

They don't have low crime rates...in fact, Britain is 2x as violent as the United States........
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


And the press rarely covers gun self defense...

KORWIN: The Undetectable Gun Myth & If Self Defense Was Common News Would Report It To You Myth



If-Self-Defense-Was-Common-It-Would-Be-In-The-News-More Myth:

“It’s easy to prove that guns serve no valid purpose, because if they really stopped crime and worked for self defense you’d see it more in the news! Hah!”

Case in point: The Fabricius Case is about an ASU professor who, with his high-school-student son, counted local crime stories, decided self defense is rare, and declared it a scientific study. The community paper (now defunct), and a medical journal (from Canada), ran the “conclusion” as if it meant something. They took heat, but let it stand (juicy details at the link).

The media deliberately suppresses stories about self defense and highlights stories about misuse of guns, “for reasons that were unclear at press time.”

Actually, the reasons are well known—mainstream reporters are generally left-leaning gun-hating liberals. Studies constantly show it suits them, fits their bias, and matches their world view to hide truth on this issue. That’s what they do, they can’t see it, won’t admit it. I follow it closely, confront them about it all the time, it’s like they’re brain dead. Google the subject and be stunned.

An Associated Press bureau reporter once told me his bureau chief wouldn’t let a self-defense story run because it might encourage copy cats. I report on it frequently here, and here. The CBS-TV ratio of anti-rights to pro-rights stories recently was 22 to 1 against. Their ethical standards? They have none.

Dr. John Lott surveyed the media, the numbers are impossibly upside down. In one year, USA Today ran 6,000 words on gun-related crime and zero on the good that guns enable. A book is available (Armed) outlining 13 scholarly studies showing between 700,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year. Bloomfield Press pays to put self-defense stories in USA Today, as ads, so at least some news gets out. Excellent write up about it here.

Media excuses for suppressing self defense are myths unto themselves: they certainly wouldn’t want: to promote “vigilantism” (which is a criminal act and not self defense); frontier justice and taking the law into your own hands (which has nothing to do with self defense against assault); a dangerously armed public with everyone “packing heat” (a derogatory slur reporters love and use constantly); individual responsibility (OMG!) supplanting big-brother government safety (which everyone sees doesn’t work); stand-your-ground “shoot-first” Wild-West scenarios (silliness reflecting neither law nor common sense)—reporting on this is as mythical as virtually everything else you see about guns, if it’s on TV or in a “news” paper.

Yet when there is one it makes the news.
 
We need guns to protect us from other people with guns. I have heard that a time or two. Imagine IF those bad people didn't have firearms, would that hurt us as a society not to feel the need to carry guns for protection? Would THAT be such a terrible thing?


We saw what happened....Europe disarmed their citizens after World War 1.....20 years later they marched 12 million innocent men, women and children into gas chambers...

if you average the number of people murdered by their governments because they were disarmed......the murder in Europe exceeds the yearly murder rate in the U.S.........

And gun crime in Britain is up 4% after they confiscated guns....and they are now arming more of their police to deal with the increased gang, gun crime.....

Australia is also seeing an increase in gun crime....and they also confiscated their guns.......

Most of Europe has low ownership and they are fine. Low crime rates and almost no accidental shootings.


In a country of over 357 million guns in private hands......505 accidental deaths is almost no deaths......
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


And the press rarely covers gun self defense...

KORWIN: The Undetectable Gun Myth & If Self Defense Was Common News Would Report It To You Myth



If-Self-Defense-Was-Common-It-Would-Be-In-The-News-More Myth:

“It’s easy to prove that guns serve no valid purpose, because if they really stopped crime and worked for self defense you’d see it more in the news! Hah!”

Case in point: The Fabricius Case is about an ASU professor who, with his high-school-student son, counted local crime stories, decided self defense is rare, and declared it a scientific study. The community paper (now defunct), and a medical journal (from Canada), ran the “conclusion” as if it meant something. They took heat, but let it stand (juicy details at the link).

The media deliberately suppresses stories about self defense and highlights stories about misuse of guns, “for reasons that were unclear at press time.”

Actually, the reasons are well known—mainstream reporters are generally left-leaning gun-hating liberals. Studies constantly show it suits them, fits their bias, and matches their world view to hide truth on this issue. That’s what they do, they can’t see it, won’t admit it. I follow it closely, confront them about it all the time, it’s like they’re brain dead. Google the subject and be stunned.

An Associated Press bureau reporter once told me his bureau chief wouldn’t let a self-defense story run because it might encourage copy cats. I report on it frequently here, and here. The CBS-TV ratio of anti-rights to pro-rights stories recently was 22 to 1 against. Their ethical standards? They have none.

Dr. John Lott surveyed the media, the numbers are impossibly upside down. In one year, USA Today ran 6,000 words on gun-related crime and zero on the good that guns enable. A book is available (Armed) outlining 13 scholarly studies showing between 700,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year. Bloomfield Press pays to put self-defense stories in USA Today, as ads, so at least some news gets out. Excellent write up about it here.

Media excuses for suppressing self defense are myths unto themselves: they certainly wouldn’t want: to promote “vigilantism” (which is a criminal act and not self defense); frontier justice and taking the law into your own hands (which has nothing to do with self defense against assault); a dangerously armed public with everyone “packing heat” (a derogatory slur reporters love and use constantly); individual responsibility (OMG!) supplanting big-brother government safety (which everyone sees doesn’t work); stand-your-ground “shoot-first” Wild-West scenarios (silliness reflecting neither law nor common sense)—reporting on this is as mythical as virtually everything else you see about guns, if it’s on TV or in a “news” paper.

Yet when there is one it makes the news.


Not when there isn't video or a body.....which is the majority of defenses.....
 
I fail to see how gun control/confiscation had anything to do the fact Hitler was a popular figure supported by the masses. Neither here nor there.
 
We need guns to protect us from other people with guns. I have heard that a time or two. Imagine IF those bad people didn't have firearms, would that hurt us as a society not to feel the need to carry guns for protection? Would THAT be such a terrible thing?


We saw what happened....Europe disarmed their citizens after World War 1.....20 years later they marched 12 million innocent men, women and children into gas chambers...

if you average the number of people murdered by their governments because they were disarmed......the murder in Europe exceeds the yearly murder rate in the U.S.........

And gun crime in Britain is up 4% after they confiscated guns....and they are now arming more of their police to deal with the increased gang, gun crime.....

Australia is also seeing an increase in gun crime....and they also confiscated their guns.......

Most of Europe has low ownership and they are fine. Low crime rates and almost no accidental shootings.


In a country of over 357 million guns in private hands......505 accidental deaths is almost no deaths......

Really? You can't be serious. Are you one of the people crying about Benghazi? Cause they was only 4...
 
There was also a woman, a pro gun advocate named Jamie Gilt that was accidentally shot in the back by her 4 year old son. We REALLY need guns to protects from other people with guns.

We will for sure hear about the mishaps over people that carry. We seldom hear about people that defend themselves successfully because of being armed.
Because it rarely happens that way. Of all the mass shootings, very few were stopped by civilian gun owners with conceal carry permits. So few as to make this debate a joke.


And the press rarely covers gun self defense...

KORWIN: The Undetectable Gun Myth & If Self Defense Was Common News Would Report It To You Myth



If-Self-Defense-Was-Common-It-Would-Be-In-The-News-More Myth:

“It’s easy to prove that guns serve no valid purpose, because if they really stopped crime and worked for self defense you’d see it more in the news! Hah!”

Case in point: The Fabricius Case is about an ASU professor who, with his high-school-student son, counted local crime stories, decided self defense is rare, and declared it a scientific study. The community paper (now defunct), and a medical journal (from Canada), ran the “conclusion” as if it meant something. They took heat, but let it stand (juicy details at the link).

The media deliberately suppresses stories about self defense and highlights stories about misuse of guns, “for reasons that were unclear at press time.”

Actually, the reasons are well known—mainstream reporters are generally left-leaning gun-hating liberals. Studies constantly show it suits them, fits their bias, and matches their world view to hide truth on this issue. That’s what they do, they can’t see it, won’t admit it. I follow it closely, confront them about it all the time, it’s like they’re brain dead. Google the subject and be stunned.

An Associated Press bureau reporter once told me his bureau chief wouldn’t let a self-defense story run because it might encourage copy cats. I report on it frequently here, and here. The CBS-TV ratio of anti-rights to pro-rights stories recently was 22 to 1 against. Their ethical standards? They have none.

Dr. John Lott surveyed the media, the numbers are impossibly upside down. In one year, USA Today ran 6,000 words on gun-related crime and zero on the good that guns enable. A book is available (Armed) outlining 13 scholarly studies showing between 700,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year. Bloomfield Press pays to put self-defense stories in USA Today, as ads, so at least some news gets out. Excellent write up about it here.

Media excuses for suppressing self defense are myths unto themselves: they certainly wouldn’t want: to promote “vigilantism” (which is a criminal act and not self defense); frontier justice and taking the law into your own hands (which has nothing to do with self defense against assault); a dangerously armed public with everyone “packing heat” (a derogatory slur reporters love and use constantly); individual responsibility (OMG!) supplanting big-brother government safety (which everyone sees doesn’t work); stand-your-ground “shoot-first” Wild-West scenarios (silliness reflecting neither law nor common sense)—reporting on this is as mythical as virtually everything else you see about guns, if it’s on TV or in a “news” paper.

Yet when there is one it makes the news.


Not when there isn't video or a body.....which is the majority of defenses.....

You have posted many with neither. Lie much?
 

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