Time's Up For Mueller

[bripat9643]

Yes, because the important thing is that Mueller operates on whatever arbitrary timeline you have personally chosen.

Why should it operate on whatever arbitrary timeline and budget that he has chosen?

Because he’s in charge you nitwit.

Rosenstein is in charge, numskull, and Session should be in charge, but he stupidly recused himself.

 

[OKTexas]

Thanks for proving the primary point went way over your head.
Too much familiarity creates inherent conflicts of interest and possibly misplaced trust. It fails the appearance of fairness test.


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And by 'too much familiarity' it appears you mean having actually been an investigator with relevant experience in the actual field.

But thanks for parroting Trump's tweets- very reliable.

You're apparently wrong, by familiarity I mean people they have worked with, known and been friends with for years, all running in the upper echelons of the DOJ. There are tons of qualified prosecutors all over the country that wouldn't apply to. Now feel free to deny that.


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There are certainly many prosecutors around the country that could possibly do the job.

But there are very, very few with the direct applicable experience that Robert Mueller has.

You're free to pretend that's the case.


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Sure- just as you are free to pretend that Mueller is biased and that Mueller is not acting within his lawful authority.

Or that Trump associates haven't already plead guilty to breaking the law.

What law did they break prior to Mueller being appointed, Comey already said he wasn't going to go after Flynn, then Mueller came along and reneged on that. Manafort and Gates actions were years ago. Nothing so far has fallen within the primary reason Mueller was appointed, except the Russian indictments.


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[Syriusly]

And by 'too much familiarity' it appears you mean having actually been an investigator with relevant experience in the actual field.

But thanks for parroting Trump's tweets- very reliable.

You're apparently wrong, by familiarity I mean people they have worked with, known and been friends with for years, all running in the upper echelons of the DOJ. There are tons of qualified prosecutors all over the country that wouldn't apply to. Now feel free to deny that.


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There are certainly many prosecutors around the country that could possibly do the job.

But there are very, very few with the direct applicable experience that Robert Mueller has.

You're free to pretend that's the case.


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Sure- just as you are free to pretend that Mueller is biased and that Mueller is not acting within his lawful authority.

Or that Trump associates haven't already plead guilty to breaking the law.

What law did they break prior to Mueller being appointed, Comey already said he wasn't going to go after Flynn, then Mueller came along and reneged on that. Manafort and Gates actions were years ago. Nothing so far has fallen within the primary reason Mueller was appointed, except the Russian indictments.


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Really? Gates has admitted to breaking the law years ago. Manafort is accused of breaking laws years ago.

Nothing so far has fallen within the primary reason Mueller was appointed, except the Russian indictments.

Rather a big nothing.

Flynn lied to the FBI about speaking with the Russian ambassador- which of course is directly related to an investigation into possible collusion between Trump's associates and Russia.

You sure are ready to overlook crimes- when the criminals are associates of Trumps.

 

[Syriusly]

So, boy, you are acknowledging that he got Rosenstein's approval.

Great- we are on the same page.

The law requires PRIOR approval.


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(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

Feel free to point that language out.

See the portion I put in bold.


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You mean 'shall consult' ?

Where does it say before?

How does the AG decide to have someone else do it, after?


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And again- where does it say 'before'?

 

[OKTexas]

You're apparently wrong, by familiarity I mean people they have worked with, known and been friends with for years, all running in the upper echelons of the DOJ. There are tons of qualified prosecutors all over the country that wouldn't apply to. Now feel free to deny that.


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There are certainly many prosecutors around the country that could possibly do the job.

But there are very, very few with the direct applicable experience that Robert Mueller has.

You're free to pretend that's the case.


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Sure- just as you are free to pretend that Mueller is biased and that Mueller is not acting within his lawful authority.

Or that Trump associates haven't already plead guilty to breaking the law.

What law did they break prior to Mueller being appointed, Comey already said he wasn't going to go after Flynn, then Mueller came along and reneged on that. Manafort and Gates actions were years ago. Nothing so far has fallen within the primary reason Mueller was appointed, except the Russian indictments.


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Really? Gates has admitted to breaking the law years ago. Manafort is accused of breaking laws years ago.

Nothing so far has fallen within the primary reason Mueller was appointed, except the Russian indictments.

Rather a big nothing.

Flynn lied to the FBI about speaking with the Russian ambassador- which of course is directly related to an investigation into possible collusion between Trump's associates and Russia.

You sure are ready to overlook crimes- when the criminals are associates of Trumps.

Never said I was willing to overlook anything, Comey said Flynn didn't intentionally lie, and it was about sanctions, not election collusion, Mueller was aware of that.


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[OKTexas]

The law requires PRIOR approval.


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(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

Feel free to point that language out.

See the portion I put in bold.


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You mean 'shall consult' ?

Where does it say before?

How does the AG decide to have someone else do it, after?


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And again- where does it say 'before'?

Reading is fundamental. It says the AG will determine if it will be included or not, Mueller didn't do the required consultation, he acted first.


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[WaitingFor2020]

It's time to end this nauseating Farce of an Investigation that has NOTHING at all to do with The False Claim of Russian Collusion. It is time for Mueller to come clean to The Public and justify exactly why his investigation should continue. And given the Prosecutorial misconduct in the past of both Mueller and many on his hand picked Partisan Team, I think it is appropriate if we are not going to End The Investigation, to call Mueller on the carpet and ask him why it should continue, given his original mandate is not even what he has been investigating.

Time for Mueller to lay it all out

The violent swings of the leaky pendulum make this an excellent moment to call timeout on the Mueller probe. What does he have, where is he going and when is he going to get there?

Those are basic questions that need to be answered. The American people deserve facts instead of waters muddied by partisanship, innuendo and special access to biased big-media companies.

Mueller’s team includes some active Democrats, and whether they are behind the anti-Trump leaks is, for the moment, beside the point. The point is that the leaks are creating a reality all their own about the investigation and the president.

It’s time to clear the air of rumor and speculation and put the facts on the record. It’s not as if the public has been impatient.

How long do you think the investigation into Watergate lasted?
Just look it up and provide an answer. Don't be a lazy fuck who just reads right wing op-eds all day long.
How long do you think the Clinton Whitewater investigation lasted?
I'll answer that for you: 4 years. 1994 - 1998
Washingtonpost.com: Whitewater Time Line
So by comparison, Mueller is working at warp speed having already indicted four, with one under house arrest and another already serving time.
Better settle down, drama queen. The worst is yet to come.

 

[jc456]

Who cares if he finds no collusion or anything involving trump? He is finding a lot of crimes! Let him do his work

what crimes? haven't seen shit concerning the crime that resulted in the spying on Carter Page. why not?

He is selective?

Ignorance ?

 

[jc456]

Still can't get it through your head that Mueller and Starr are/were operating under different laws. Mueller is going way past his mandate and is actively searching for things to investigate unrelated to it. That is a violation of the special counsel law, possible crimes to be investigated are supposed to be included in the authorization letter. The only possible crime listed in the letter was Russian interference with the election and possible coordination with US persons. Those indictments have already been handed down and it was made clear that no US person knowingly participated. The premise for the appointment has been satisfied, anything else discovered should be turned over to the DOJ for further action.


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When did I ever say that I thought they were the same laws? Oh wait- I didn't- you just were 'fantasizing'.

Like virtually every other part of your post.

Lets start with the first part- what Mueller was appointed to do- here is the appointment letter

View attachment 187231

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

note: 'any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation and

any other matters within the scope of 28 c.f.r. 600.4a- which says:

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

So far Mueller seems to be following the threads that lead to Federal crimes- and when they lead outside of his jurisidiction- he is referring those threads to others- like the what just happened in New York.

Has the premise of the appointment been fulfilled? How do you know what Mueller hasn't told you yet?

Why didn't you post (b) and (c)?

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.

The fact is Rosenstein is allowing him to go far afield from his original mandate. Just proves why a Special Counsel shouldn't come from the swamp, too much familiarity with the other players.


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And of course by the 'swamp' you mean a decorated combat veteran and veteran crime and terrorism battler.

But hey- the Trump way is to hire people from 'outside' the swamp- like ones with no experience at all in their position.

Because that is so effective.

Meanwhile- if Rosenstein believes that Mueller is acting outside of what Rosenstein authorized- he can fire him anytime he wants.

Or Rosenstein can just authorize what Mueller is doing.

Thanks for proving the primary point went way over your head.

Just proves why a Special Counsel shouldn't come from the swamp, too much familiarity with the other players.

Too much familiarity creates inherent conflicts of interest and possibly misplaced trust. It fails the appearance of fairness test.


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And by 'too much familiarity' it appears you mean having actually been an investigator with relevant experience in the actual field.

But thanks for parroting Trump's tweets- very reliable.

Nothing like throwing the rule of law away . You all do want to destroy America

 

[The Original Tree]

The entire Mueller Investigation is Officially a Scam!

So, boy, you are acknowledging that he got Rosenstein's approval.

Great- we are on the same page.

The law requires PRIOR approval.


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(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

Feel free to point that language out.

See the portion I put in bold.


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You mean 'shall consult' ?

Where does it say before?

How does the AG decide to have someone else do it, after?


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[jc456]

The only Crime of Russian Collusion Mueller will find is if he sticks his head up Clinton's ass, because he isn't going to find it in Stormy Daniel's Cavernous Vagina.

He's a Desperate Nazi Storm Trooper and Nothing more.

Ah nothing like a loyal Trumpster to parrot Trump's hyperbole.

Mueller is a 'nazi' because he is a Republican appointed by a Republican to investigate a Republican and Russia.

 

[Syriusly]

The entire Mueller Investigation is Officially a Scam!]

The entire Trump presidency is officially a scam.

 

[Syriusly]

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

Feel free to point that language out.

See the portion I put in bold.


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You mean 'shall consult' ?

Where does it say before?

How does the AG decide to have someone else do it, after?


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And again- where does it say 'before'?

Reading is fundamental. It says the AG will determine if it will be included or not, Mueller didn't do the required consultation, he acted first.


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And again- where does it say 'first'.

Mueller consulted with the acting AG- and got approval.

If the acting AG feels that Mueller is not properly consulting him he can of course fire Mueller.

 

[OKTexas]

See the portion I put in bold.


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You mean 'shall consult' ?

Where does it say before?

How does the AG decide to have someone else do it, after?


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And again- where does it say 'before'?

Reading is fundamental. It says the AG will determine if it will be included or not, Mueller didn't do the required consultation, he acted first.


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And again- where does it say 'first'.

Mueller consulted with the acting AG- and got approval.

If the acting AG feels that Mueller is not properly consulting him he can of course fire Mueller.

Semantics, the last bastion of a looser.


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[jc456]

The entire Mueller Investigation is Officially a Scam!]

The entire Trump presidency is officially a scam.

how so? you believe russia russia? hahaahahahahaahahahaha yeah you tell half the country to fk off. you have such class at losing.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

It's time to end this nauseating Farce of an Investigation that has NOTHING at all to do with The False Claim of Russian Collusion. It is time for Mueller to come clean to The Public and justify exactly why his investigation should continue. And given the Prosecutorial misconduct in the past of both Mueller and many on his hand picked Partisan Team, I think it is appropriate if we are not going to End The Investigation, to call Mueller on the carpet and ask him why it should continue, given his original mandate is not even what he has been investigating.
Time for Mueller to lay it all out...............

Bipartisan group of senators moving to protect Mueller's job
Source: CBS News

A bipartisan group of four senators is moving to protect special counsel Robert Mueller's job as President Trump publicly muses about firing him, CBS News has confirmed. Republican Sens. Thom Tillis of North Carolina and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey plan to introduce legislation Wednesday that would give any special counsel a 10-day window in which he or she could seek expedited judicial review of a firing, according to two people familiar with the legislation who spoke with The Associated Press, which was first to report the story. They weren't authorized to discuss the bill ahead of its release, and requested anonymity.




Read more: Bipartisan group of senators moving to protect Mueller's job

 

[basquebromance]

Why would Trump fire Mueller when he can just raid Mueller’s office and find a bunch of stuff he did wrong back in the day? While he’s at it, Trump can gather the Russian Collusion papers and share to the American people that there was NEVER any collusion.

 

[The Original Tree]

Mueller was the Principal Character in Covering Up The Uranium One Bribery Scandal where Clinton received $145 Million and Obama $64 Million

The RussiaGate Witch-Hunt – The Deep State's 'Insurance Policy' - Antiwar.com Original

 

[bripat9643]

It's time to end this nauseating Farce of an Investigation that has NOTHING at all to do with The False Claim of Russian Collusion. It is time for Mueller to come clean to The Public and justify exactly why his investigation should continue. And given the Prosecutorial misconduct in the past of both Mueller and many on his hand picked Partisan Team, I think it is appropriate if we are not going to End The Investigation, to call Mueller on the carpet and ask him why it should continue, given his original mandate is not even what he has been investigating.
Time for Mueller to lay it all out...............

Bipartisan group of senators moving to protect Mueller's job
Source: CBS News

A bipartisan group of four senators is moving to protect special counsel Robert Mueller's job as President Trump publicly muses about firing him, CBS News has confirmed. Republican Sens. Thom Tillis of North Carolina and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey plan to introduce legislation Wednesday that would give any special counsel a 10-day window in which he or she could seek expedited judicial review of a firing, according to two people familiar with the legislation who spoke with The Associated Press, which was first to report the story. They weren't authorized to discuss the bill ahead of its release, and requested anonymity.




Read more: Bipartisan group of senators moving to protect Mueller's job

Thilis and Lindsey Grahamnesty are a couple of estblishement RINOs. That's hardly what I would call "bipartisan."

 

[Syriusly]

You mean 'shall consult' ?

Where does it say before?

How does the AG decide to have someone else do it, after?


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And again- where does it say 'before'?

Reading is fundamental. It says the AG will determine if it will be included or not, Mueller didn't do the required consultation, he acted first.


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And again- where does it say 'first'.

Mueller consulted with the acting AG- and got approval.

If the acting AG feels that Mueller is not properly consulting him he can of course fire Mueller.

Semantics, the last bastion of a looser.


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Facts- what losers despise.

Mueller consulted with the acting AG- and got approval.

If the acting AG feels that Mueller is not properly consulting him he can of course fire Mueller