To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?

[TheCrusader]

"To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?"

Liberty is defended through the right to vote, the right to challenge government action in the Federal courts, and adherence to the rule of law, rendering 'armed insurrection' unwarranted, unlawful, and anathema to the fundamental principles of our Constitutional Republic.

And guns are what keep all of those other controls in play. Without guns to back them up they would all have been subverted long ago.

The internet defends liberty now better than Guns ever will.

 

[westwall]

"To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?"

Liberty is defended through the right to vote, the right to challenge government action in the Federal courts, and adherence to the rule of law, rendering 'armed insurrection' unwarranted, unlawful, and anathema to the fundamental principles of our Constitutional Republic.

And guns are what keep all of those other controls in play. Without guns to back them up they would all have been subverted long ago.

The internet defends liberty now better than Guns ever will.

Tell that to all the people being killed by bad cops. It's on video they are being killed and yet the internet didn't save their lives. hmmm.

 

[TheCrusader]

Wow you actually think the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising had even a "blip" effect on the military outcomes of the German Army? WOW, How misinformed are you?

any German they killed was one less the allies had to kill

because of people like you only a few jews had guns

So brave of you to kill their hopes of survival of them or their families, while you sit here so safe to question their judgement.

Your surrender is duly noted.

You so casually disregard the choices of millions, as if you would behave ANY differently.

But I'm telling you right now, if soldiers were killing neighbors for resisting, and they came to your house to take your family in a cattle car next, and you had one dead in your sites right there a stand off in the door way, shouting everywhere, all you have to do is pull the trigger and kill him.

Do you part, to make it easier for those soldiers fighting the good fight to win later...long after your death and the death of your family.

You would instead surrender.

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The scenario you suggest is that my family will be dead either way.

I'd rather they go quickly screaming their defiance in the face of the enemy than herded into a cattle car to be slaughtered later like sheep.

*****SMILE*****

Sure, whatever, if that were the common response, then the common response of the tyrannical army will be to torture you, and make your life worse. Their goal is control, not to kill. They will do whatever they can and want to make you be passive, if you resist, they'll just find what you cannot stand and do that to you.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

"To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?"

Liberty is defended through the right to vote, the right to challenge government action in the Federal courts, and adherence to the rule of law, rendering 'armed insurrection' unwarranted, unlawful, and anathema to the fundamental principles of our Constitutional Republic.

Of course the politicians would consider any general uprising against the their government unlawful and ensure the laws read that way... Duh!

*****SMILE*****

 

[TheCrusader]

"To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?"

Liberty is defended through the right to vote, the right to challenge government action in the Federal courts, and adherence to the rule of law, rendering 'armed insurrection' unwarranted, unlawful, and anathema to the fundamental principles of our Constitutional Republic.

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Of course the politicians would consider any general uprising against the their government unlawful and ensure the laws read that way... Duh!

*****SMILE*****

Regardless of whatever side of the issue you are on, the Revolutionary war was largely fought by regular armies with good command and control and support from established governments with organized taxation or methods of raising money to execute a war.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The idea that guns 'defend liberty' is sophomoric, unsupported by objective, documented evidence, and completely devoid of merit.

And references to 'Nazi Germany,' 'gun confiscation,' and the like nonsense in support of the idiotic idea that guns 'defend liberty' fails as a false comparison fallacy, in addition to being ignorant and wrong.

Again, our liberty is defended by the courts, the Constitution, the rule of law, and the American people themselves, not a minority of partisan extremists subject to the delusion that the government is 'tyrannical.'

Government refrains from seeking to disadvantage the rights of the people not because the people are 'armed,' but because the people are informed, empowered to challenge or change government through the judicial or political process, and are themselves invested in, and part of, the government, a government the creation of the people.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Sure, whatever, if that were the common response, then the common response of the tyrannical army will be to torture you, and make your life worse. Their goal is control, not to kill. They will do whatever they can and want to make you be passive, if you resist, they'll just find what you cannot stand and do that to you.

Tell that to the Jews in Germany or the Chinese under Japanese rule during World War II. How about the Russians and Chinese under communist rule over the last century which makes what the Nazi's and Japanese atrocities of WWII look like a drive by shooting? Shall talk about Pol Pot? How about what ISIS and a lot of the other Islamic factions are doing to people now?

If their intention is to kill then they sure as hell are going to do it anyway and as you suggest in your post they'll find a reason no matter how much a person submits.

*****SMILE*****

 

[westwall]

The idea that guns 'defend liberty' is sophomoric, unsupported by objective, documented evidence, and completely devoid of merit.

And references to 'Nazi Germany,' 'gun confiscation,' and the like nonsense in support of the idiotic idea that guns 'defend liberty' fails as a false comparison fallacy, in addition to being ignorant and wrong.

Again, our liberty is defended by the courts, the Constitution, the rule of law, and the American people themselves, not a minority of partisan extremists subject to the delusion that the government is 'tyrannical.'

Government refrains from seeking to disadvantage the rights of the people not because the people are 'armed,' but because the people are informed, empowered to challenge or change government through the judicial or political process, and are themselves invested in, and part of, the government, a government the creation of the people.

And yet it was memorialized by the Founders for just that reason. I would love for you to show us a revolution fought in the last 200 years that didn't use guns. Sounds interesting.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

"To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?"

Liberty is defended through the right to vote, the right to challenge government action in the Federal courts, and adherence to the rule of law, rendering 'armed insurrection' unwarranted, unlawful, and anathema to the fundamental principles of our Constitutional Republic.

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Of course the politicians would consider any general uprising against the their government unlawful and ensure the laws read that way... Duh!

*****SMILE*****

Regardless of whatever side of the issue you are on, the Revolutionary war was largely fought by regular armies with good command and control and support from established governments with organized taxation or methods of raising money to execute a war.

If you think the United States military will turn against it's own people I don't see that happening.

They'll turn against the politicians who presume they have that kind of power first and eliminate any senior military member who attempts to follow such a foolish politician.

On the other hand the Japanese never attempted to invade the United States because the senior Japanese military advised the Japanese emperor of WWII that they'd find a gun behind every blade of grass if they did try to invade.

So no I'll keep my rights and my guns thank you very much.

*****SMILE*****

 

[miketx]

The question is simple, Hitler could not be stopped by partisans (which is essentially what pro 2nd Amendmenters claim they are), the French Resistance (well organized and supported by allied governments with financing, command and control, and weapons) could not defeat the Nazis in France and in analysis did almost nothing to defeat the Nazis in France.

The German armies were almost entirely defeated by Armies of enormous scale backed by governments of enormous wealth with the ability to marshal and organize resources on a scale never before seen.

But somehow, Republicans are going to defeat tyranny?

How can you with your semi-automatic rifle defeat drone-strikes, and command and control?

You think the Tyrannical Feds will go easier on you than they do on ISIS? Or the Taliban?

Can you live in hole the rest of your life, blow yourself up with explosives to kill civilians and hit tanks or armored vehicles?

Where will you get artillery? Or tanks? Or fighter jets?

How will you, with your 2nd Amendment, take over Air Craft Carriers, Attack Submarines, cruise missiles, fight against special forces, etc.

All these tools the Feds already have?

Let's face it, your 2nd Amendment is a pipe-dream.

It only serves now to enable psychos to shoot preschools and for conservatives to pretend they will stop it if it happens to them in a movie theater.

Well then, try to take our rights. Go ahead, I dare you.

 

[ChrisL]

"To Pro 2nd Amendmenters: Can you seriously defend Liberty?"

Liberty is defended through the right to vote, the right to challenge government action in the Federal courts, and adherence to the rule of law, rendering 'armed insurrection' unwarranted, unlawful, and anathema to the fundamental principles of our Constitutional Republic.

And guns are what keep all of those other controls in play. Without guns to back them up they would all have been subverted long ago.

The internet defends liberty now better than Guns ever will.

Tell that to all the people being killed by bad cops. It's on video they are being killed and yet the internet didn't save their lives. hmmm.

This is a great point. Some of these people are the same who will claim that the police are racist and that the government is racist and that the justice system is racist. Lol. Yet, they want to disarm honest Americans so that only these "racist" authority figures are able to have weapons. Where is the sense in that?

 

[turtledude]

The idea that guns 'defend liberty' is sophomoric, unsupported by objective, documented evidence, and completely devoid of merit.

And references to 'Nazi Germany,' 'gun confiscation,' and the like nonsense in support of the idiotic idea that guns 'defend liberty' fails as a false comparison fallacy, in addition to being ignorant and wrong.

Again, our liberty is defended by the courts, the Constitution, the rule of law, and the American people themselves, not a minority of partisan extremists subject to the delusion that the government is 'tyrannical.'

Government refrains from seeking to disadvantage the rights of the people not because the people are 'armed,' but because the people are informed, empowered to challenge or change government through the judicial or political process, and are themselves invested in, and part of, the government, a government the creation of the people.

good old Clayton. slurping the government and denigrating the value of guns keeping a check on a potentially rogue government

 

[ChrisL]

The idea that guns 'defend liberty' is sophomoric, unsupported by objective, documented evidence, and completely devoid of merit.

And references to 'Nazi Germany,' 'gun confiscation,' and the like nonsense in support of the idiotic idea that guns 'defend liberty' fails as a false comparison fallacy, in addition to being ignorant and wrong.

Again, our liberty is defended by the courts, the Constitution, the rule of law, and the American people themselves, not a minority of partisan extremists subject to the delusion that the government is 'tyrannical.'

Government refrains from seeking to disadvantage the rights of the people not because the people are 'armed,' but because the people are informed, empowered to challenge or change government through the judicial or political process, and are themselves invested in, and part of, the government, a government the creation of the people.

good old Clayton. slurping the government and denigrating the value of guns keeping a check on a potentially rogue government

I wonder how he would feel about gun rights if Republican religious zealots were to take over the government and become a majority on the SCOTUS? Lol.