Tomorrow feb 12 is birthday of our most famous white supremacist

[WildBillKelsoe]

Even your own source shows you're full of shit...

In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 millionenslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free".

Notice it doesn't say a damn thing about The United States.

 

[Kondor3]

...Except that it wasn't another country. And it did free slaves.

Correct on both counts.

 

[Syriusly]

that's false. it was an executive order.

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

you're funny.

if only you knew anything about your government.

so when ronnie reagan issued hundreds of executive orders it was advisory. there are things that can be done by executive order and things that can't.

Executive Orders

and you still have zero understanding of what our laws and our court can do.

And you call me ignorant...lol

1. 
   
   
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     Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the ExecutiveBranch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863. In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 million enslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free". It had the practical effect that as soon as a slave escaped the control of the Confederate government, by running away or through advances of federal troops, the slave became legally free. Eventually it reached and liberated all of the designated slaves. It was issued as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[1]
It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in ten states (excluding Tennessee).[2] Because it was issued under the President's war powers, it necessarily excluded areas not in rebellion - it applied to more than 3 million of the 4 million slaves at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[3] it was not a law passed by Congress. The Proclamation also ordered that suitable persons among those freed could be enrolled into the paid service of United States' forces, and ordered the Union Army (and all segments of the Executive branch) to "recognize and maintain the freedom of" the ex-slaves. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal, in addition to the goal of reuniting the Union.[4]
Around 20,000 to 50,000 slaves in regions where rebellion had already been subdued were immediately emancipated. It could not be enforced in areas still under rebellion, but as the Union army took control of Confederate regions, the Proclamation provided the legal framework for freeing more than 3 million slaves in those regions.

The Executive Branch can't change, nor create Federal law.

And the Emancipation Proclamation didn't change or create any Federal law.

But it did free the majority of the slaves in the United States- the remaining slaves were freed under the 13th Amendment. Now tell us how you think that all of the slaves in the rebel slaves were freed prior to the 13th Amendment?

 

[Syriusly]

Even your own source shows you're full of shit...

In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 millionenslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free".

Notice it doesn't say a damn thing about The United States.

When do you think Georgia became part of the United States? What year specifically? Or do you believe Georgia is not part of the United States?

The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863. In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 million enslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free". It had the practical effect that as soon as a slave escaped the control of the Confederate government, by running away or through advances of federal troops, the slave became legally free. Eventually it reached and liberated all of the designated slaves. It was issued as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[1]
It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in ten states (excluding Tennessee).[2] Because it was issued under the President's war powers, it necessarily excluded areas not in rebellion - it applied to more than 3 million of the 4 million slaves at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[3] it was not a law passed by Congress. The Proclamation also ordered that suitable persons among those freed could be enrolled into the paid service of United States' forces, and ordered the Union Army (and all segments of the Executive branch) to "recognize and maintain the freedom of" the ex-slaves. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal, in addition to the goal of reuniting the Union.[4]
Around 20,000 to 50,000 slaves in regions where rebellion had already been subdued were immediately emancipated. It could not be enforced in areas still under rebellion, but as the Union army took control of Confederate regions, the Proclamation provided the legal framework for freeing more than 3 million slaves in those regions.

 

[Syriusly]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

 

[Moonglow]

that's false. it was an executive order.

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

The president can change a law just like you or I can.By presenting legislation for consideration to abolish the law in question...Or, by lawsuit to nullify the law enacted..

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there is such an animal as administrative law, which takes no act of Congress...

 

[whitehall]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

The problem is that the vile institution was doomed by the industrial revolution and enlightened views about enslaving humans. Lincoln killed half of the bravest and the best of American men because he wouldn't bow out of a presidential race and he was so stupid that he thought the war would be over in a month. Lincoln should have lied and compromised and even kissed the ass of every hot blooded Southern politician to keep the Union intact but he failed miserably. If he hadn't been assassinated historians could judge him better but we are stuck with the legend rather than the man.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

The president can change a law just like you or I can.By presenting legislation for consideration to abolish the law in question...Or, by lawsuit to nullify the law enacted..

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there is such an animal as administrative law, which takes no act of Congress...

Suuuuure there is...LMAO

 

[Moonglow]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

The problem is that the vile institution was doomed by the industrial revolution and enlightened views about enslaving humans. Lincoln killed half of the bravest and the best of American men because he wouldn't bow out of a presidential race and he was so stupid that he thought the war would be over in a month. Lincoln should have lied and compromised and even kissed the ass of every hot blooded Southern politician to keep the Union intact but he failed miserably. If he hadn't been assassinated historians could judge him better but we are stuck with the legend rather than the man.

What concessions was the South to give to the US showing that slavery would be abolished? The issue of slavery was a hot button issue decades before Lincoln was elected.he was merely the representation of the desire of the people of the US to hire an abolitionist to abolish slavery..The Civil War was a moral crisis of the USA.One the founders put off till hundreds of thousands had to die to finalize the true meaning and spirit of the Declaration of Independence...Which free and slave black men fought in on the side of the US..

 

[Moonglow]

The president can change a law just like you or I can.By presenting legislation for consideration to abolish the law in question...Or, by lawsuit to nullify the law enacted..

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there is such an animal as administrative law, which takes no act of Congress...

Suuuuure there is...LMAO

Administrative law is the body of law that governs the activities of administrative agencies of government. Government agency action can include rule making, adjudication, or the enforcement of a specific regulatory agenda. Administrative law is considered a branch of public law.
Google

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Even your own source shows you're full of shit...

In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 millionenslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free".

Notice it doesn't say a damn thing about The United States.

When do you think Georgia became part of the United States? What year specifically? Or do you believe Georgia is not part of the United States?

The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863. In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 million enslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free". It had the practical effect that as soon as a slave escaped the control of the Confederate government, by running away or through advances of federal troops, the slave became legally free. Eventually it reached and liberated all of the designated slaves. It was issued as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[1]
It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in ten states (excluding Tennessee).[2] Because it was issued under the President's war powers, it necessarily excluded areas not in rebellion - it applied to more than 3 million of the 4 million slaves at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[3] it was not a law passed by Congress. The Proclamation also ordered that suitable persons among those freed could be enrolled into the paid service of United States' forces, and ordered the Union Army (and all segments of the Executive branch) to "recognize and maintain the freedom of" the ex-slaves. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal, in addition to the goal of reuniting the Union.[4]
Around 20,000 to 50,000 slaves in regions where rebellion had already been subdued were immediately emancipated. It could not be enforced in areas still under rebellion, but as the Union army took control of Confederate regions, the Proclamation provided the legal framework for freeing more than 3 million slaves in those regions.

Right! Ten of the Confederate States...LMAO

Ever wonder why Tennessee was exempted?

 

[Political Junky]

I thought this was gonna be a thread about Democratic Senator Robert Byrd.

Of course you did.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

you're funny.

if only you knew anything about your government.

so when ronnie reagan issued hundreds of executive orders it was advisory. there are things that can be done by executive order and things that can't.

Executive Orders

and you still have zero understanding of what our laws and our court can do.

And you call me ignorant...lol

1. 
   
   
   • 
     Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the ExecutiveBranch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863. In a single stroke, it changed the federal legal status of more than 3 million enslaved persons in the designated areas of the South from "slave" to "free". It had the practical effect that as soon as a slave escaped the control of the Confederate government, by running away or through advances of federal troops, the slave became legally free. Eventually it reached and liberated all of the designated slaves. It was issued as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[1]
It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in ten states (excluding Tennessee).[2] Because it was issued under the President's war powers, it necessarily excluded areas not in rebellion - it applied to more than 3 million of the 4 million slaves at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[3] it was not a law passed by Congress. The Proclamation also ordered that suitable persons among those freed could be enrolled into the paid service of United States' forces, and ordered the Union Army (and all segments of the Executive branch) to "recognize and maintain the freedom of" the ex-slaves. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal, in addition to the goal of reuniting the Union.[4]
Around 20,000 to 50,000 slaves in regions where rebellion had already been subdued were immediately emancipated. It could not be enforced in areas still under rebellion, but as the Union army took control of Confederate regions, the Proclamation provided the legal framework for freeing more than 3 million slaves in those regions.

The Executive Branch can't change, nor create Federal law.

And the Emancipation Proclamation didn't change or create any Federal law.

But it did free the majority of the slaves in the United States- the remaining slaves were freed under the 13th Amendment. Now tell us how you think that all of the slaves in the rebel slaves were freed prior to the 13th Amendment?

Not one slave, in The United States was freed by The Emancipation Proclamation. Your own sources specifically state that.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that African slaves weren't citizens. The Executive Branch doesn't have the authority to naturalize a foreign alien.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there is such an animal as administrative law, which takes no act of Congress...

Suuuuure there is...LMAO

Administrative law is the body of law that governs the activities of administrative agencies of government. Government agency action can include rule making, adjudication, or the enforcement of a specific regulatory agenda. Administrative law is considered a branch of public law.
Google

Still, the executive branch can't make laws. Your own source says that.

 

[whitehall]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

The problem is that the vile institution was doomed by the industrial revolution and enlightened views about enslaving humans. Lincoln killed half of the bravest and the best of American men because he wouldn't bow out of a presidential race and he was so stupid that he thought the war would be over in a month. Lincoln should have lied and compromised and even kissed the ass of every hot blooded Southern politician to keep the Union intact but he failed miserably. If he hadn't been assassinated historians could judge him better but we are stuck with the legend rather than the man.

What concessions was the South to give to the US showing that slavery would be abolished? The issue of slavery was a hot button issue decades before Lincoln was elected.he was merely the representation of the desire of the people of the US to hire an abolitionist to abolish slavery..The Civil War was a moral crisis of the USA.One the founders put off till hundreds of thousands had to die to finalize the true meaning and spirit of the Declaration of Independence...Which free and slave black men fought in on the side of the US..

The Civil War could have and should have been avoided at any cost even if it meant giving temporary concessions to the slave states but Lincoln showed his profound ignorance by taking a hard line in the face of secession. It was an insane stance by a poorly informed president who had serious issues in his family that might have distracted him. After he was assassinated a freaking hoard of (pop culture at the time) authors came to the rescue of his legacy after his profoundly stupid and negligent administration and we are stuck historically with the fake legacy created by slobbering sycophants.

 

[Moonglow]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

The problem is that the vile institution was doomed by the industrial revolution and enlightened views about enslaving humans. Lincoln killed half of the bravest and the best of American men because he wouldn't bow out of a presidential race and he was so stupid that he thought the war would be over in a month. Lincoln should have lied and compromised and even kissed the ass of every hot blooded Southern politician to keep the Union intact but he failed miserably. If he hadn't been assassinated historians could judge him better but we are stuck with the legend rather than the man.

What concessions was the South to give to the US showing that slavery would be abolished? The issue of slavery was a hot button issue decades before Lincoln was elected.he was merely the representation of the desire of the people of the US to hire an abolitionist to abolish slavery..The Civil War was a moral crisis of the USA.One the founders put off till hundreds of thousands had to die to finalize the true meaning and spirit of the Declaration of Independence...Which free and slave black men fought in on the side of the US..

The Civil War could have and should have been avoided at any cost even if it meant giving temporary concessions to the slave states but Lincoln showed his profound ignorance by taking a hard line in the face of secession. It was an insane stance by a poorly informed president who had serious issues in his family that might have distracted him. After he was assassinated a freaking hoard of (pop culture at the time) authors came to the rescue of his legacy after his profoundly stupid and negligent administration and we are stuck historically with the fake legacy created by slobbering sycophants.

Lincoln did push legislation for compensation of Southern slave owners..But the South rejected the offer..

 

[rightwinger]

FUCK Lincoln

two words? You're improving

As to Lincoln he wanted to keep the Union together at any costs & the johnny rebs pushed it.

The South really screwed themselves in their attempt to create a Slave Nation

If they had allowed events to play themselves out, they might have kept slavery another 20 years and would have received some compensation for freed slaves. Instead, it was over in 4 years and they got nothing

Longer, perhaps. Lincoln expressed support for an amendment that would have extended slavery in perpetuity.

Do tell

 

[Skylar]

FUCK Lincoln

two words? You're improving

As to Lincoln he wanted to keep the Union together at any costs & the johnny rebs pushed it.

The South really screwed themselves in their attempt to create a Slave Nation

If they had allowed events to play themselves out, they might have kept slavery another 20 years and would have received some compensation for freed slaves. Instead, it was over in 4 years and they got nothing

Longer, perhaps. Lincoln expressed support for an amendment that would have extended slavery in perpetuity.

Do tell

It was called the Corwin Amendment.

"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."

If the South hadn't utterly overreacted, doubled down on conspiracy batshit and collectively shit their pants.....it probably would have been the 13th amendment.

Lincoln despised slavery. But his priority was keeping the union together. He indicated he would probably support the amendment.

I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service....holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.

The south soiled themselves none the less. Its one of those points in history where hysteria overtook reason on the part of the South.

Sort of like the invention of chitlins.

 

[rightwinger]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

The problem is that the vile institution was doomed by the industrial revolution and enlightened views about enslaving humans. Lincoln killed half of the bravest and the best of American men because he wouldn't bow out of a presidential race and he was so stupid that he thought the war would be over in a month. Lincoln should have lied and compromised and even kissed the ass of every hot blooded Southern politician to keep the Union intact but he failed miserably. If he hadn't been assassinated historians could judge him better but we are stuck with the legend rather than the man.

What concessions was the South to give to the US showing that slavery would be abolished? The issue of slavery was a hot button issue decades before Lincoln was elected.he was merely the representation of the desire of the people of the US to hire an abolitionist to abolish slavery..The Civil War was a moral crisis of the USA.One the founders put off till hundreds of thousands had to die to finalize the true meaning and spirit of the Declaration of Independence...Which free and slave black men fought in on the side of the US..

The Civil War could have and should have been avoided at any cost even if it meant giving temporary concessions to the slave states but Lincoln showed his profound ignorance by taking a hard line in the face of secession. It was an insane stance by a poorly informed president who had serious issues in his family that might have distracted him. After he was assassinated a freaking hoard of (pop culture at the time) authors came to the rescue of his legacy after his profoundly stupid and negligent administration and we are stuck historically with the fake legacy created by slobbering sycophants.

1. Concessions had been made to the slave states for twenty years. That is why we got in the situation we were in. As Lincoln stated a house divided against itself cannot stand. We cannot survive half slave and half free

2. Secession took place before Lincoln was inaugurated. He was not in a position to make concessions

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

White Europeans took advantage of and enslaved ignorant primitive black African natives for the better part of four hundred years when they weren't busy enslaving the Irish or the Spanish or any other culture that seemed weak. The flag that flew off the stern of slave ships in the New World for two hundred years wasn't the Confederate stars and bars, it was the Union Jack and the French and Spanish flags and later the Stars and Stripes. The point is that you can't selectively judge 18th century or 19th century racism by 21st century standards.

But we can certainly condemn the institution of slavery as it existed in the United States- and applaud Abraham Lincoln for his role in ending the vile institution.

The problem is that the vile institution was doomed by the industrial revolution and enlightened views about enslaving humans. Lincoln killed half of the bravest and the best of American men because he wouldn't bow out of a presidential race and he was so stupid that he thought the war would be over in a month. Lincoln should have lied and compromised and even kissed the ass of every hot blooded Southern politician to keep the Union intact but he failed miserably. If he hadn't been assassinated historians could judge him better but we are stuck with the legend rather than the man.

What concessions was the South to give to the US showing that slavery would be abolished? The issue of slavery was a hot button issue decades before Lincoln was elected.he was merely the representation of the desire of the people of the US to hire an abolitionist to abolish slavery..The Civil War was a moral crisis of the USA.One the founders put off till hundreds of thousands had to die to finalize the true meaning and spirit of the Declaration of Independence...Which free and slave black men fought in on the side of the US..

The Civil War could have and should have been avoided at any cost even if it meant giving temporary concessions to the slave states but Lincoln showed his profound ignorance by taking a hard line in the face of secession. It was an insane stance by a poorly informed president who had serious issues in his family that might have distracted him. After he was assassinated a freaking hoard of (pop culture at the time) authors came to the rescue of his legacy after his profoundly stupid and negligent administration and we are stuck historically with the fake legacy created by slobbering sycophants.

Lincoln did push legislation for compensation of Southern slave owners..But the South rejected the offer..

Yeah, that never happened either...lol