Tomorrow feb 12 is birthday of our most famous white supremacist

[rightwinger]

Not the Great Emancipator: 10 Racist Quotes Abraham Lincoln Said About Black People - Page 3 of 5 - Atlanta Black Star

Lincoln was, indeed, a white supremacist. In his 1858 debate with Sen. Steven Douglas, Lincoln maintained, “And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

All real history books carry that quote but history TEXTBOOKS used in schools never do.

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

You do know that Lincoln didn't free the slaves, in The United States, right? And that he wanted the blacks all shipped back to Africa?

You should be thanking John Wilkes Booth for mixing Lincoln's plan. Look at that big ass voting block Booth have you...lol

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Not the Great Emancipator: 10 Racist Quotes Abraham Lincoln Said About Black People - Page 3 of 5 - Atlanta Black Star

Lincoln was, indeed, a white supremacist. In his 1858 debate with Sen. Steven Douglas, Lincoln maintained, “And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

All real history books carry that quote but history TEXTBOOKS used in schools never do.

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

You do know that Lincoln didn't free the slaves, in The United States, right? And that he wanted the blacks all shipped back to Africa?

You should be thanking John Wilkes Booth for mixing Lincoln's plan. Look at that big ass voting block Booth have you...lol

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

 

[Searcher44]

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

How typical for a lib to bring up racial matters and ignore the burning of half the South that Sherman did, especially Atlanta.

IT's as if you cant fathom how people would resent the US army conducting Scorched Earth warfare on American soil but can only clue in on any racial aspect of the war.

How pathetic. I will pray for your shriveled soul.

During Sherman's six week march from Atlanta to the sea there were about 4,000 casualties, not many of whom were civilian. 51,000 died in the 3 days at Gettysburg.
There are different ways to look at the campaign, of course to most Southerner's Sherman is still a brute, even a war criminal. His reasoning though is much the same as Truman had when he decided to drop the atom bombs to bring an earlier end to that war. The civil war version of "shock and awe" perhaps. Sherman said "I intend to make Georgia howl" and "If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking." Most historians I think agree that his strategy did help end the war earlier than it would have. The war had already cost hundreds of thousands of southern as well as northern boy's lives. I also think that in most Southerner's minds the destruction he caused is much greater than it was in reality. For example Atlanta itself only suffered about 35% loss of it's structures. And much of that destruction was to legitimate military facilities and material.

Probably bad form to play this but it's one of my favorite civil war era tunes;

 

[rightwinger]

Not the Great Emancipator: 10 Racist Quotes Abraham Lincoln Said About Black People - Page 3 of 5 - Atlanta Black Star

Lincoln was, indeed, a white supremacist. In his 1858 debate with Sen. Steven Douglas, Lincoln maintained, “And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

All real history books carry that quote but history TEXTBOOKS used in schools never do.

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

You do know that Lincoln didn't free the slaves, in The United States, right? And that he wanted the blacks all shipped back to Africa?

You should be thanking John Wilkes Booth for mixing Lincoln's plan. Look at that big ass voting block Booth have you...lol

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

Show me

Slaves from where were sent to Haiti and Belize

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

How typical for a lib to bring up racial matters and ignore the burning of half the South that Sherman did, especially Atlanta.

IT's as if you cant fathom how people would resent the US army conducting Scorched Earth warfare on American soil but can only clue in on any racial aspect of the war.

How pathetic. I will pray for your shriveled soul.

During Sherman's six week march from Atlanta to the sea there were about 4,000 casualties, not many of whom were civilian. 51,000 died in the 3 days at Gettysburg.
There are different ways to look at the campaign, of course to most Southerner's Sherman is still a brute, even a war criminal. His reasoning though is much the same as Truman had when he decided to drop the atom bombs to bring an earlier end to that war. The civil war version of "shock and awe" perhaps. Sherman said "I intend to make Georgia howl" and "If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking." Most historians I think agree that his strategy did help end the war earlier than it would have. The war had already cost hundreds of thousands of southern as well as northern boy's lives. I also think that in most Southerner's minds the destruction he caused is much greater than it was in reality. For example Atlanta itself only suffered about 35% loss of it's structures. And much of that destruction was to legitimate military facilities and material.

Probably bad form to play this but it's one of my favorite civil war era tunes;

There were only 7,800 KIA's at Gettysburg. 46,000 total casualties.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

All real history books carry that quote but history TEXTBOOKS used in schools never do.

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

You do know that Lincoln didn't free the slaves, in The United States, right? And that he wanted the blacks all shipped back to Africa?

You should be thanking John Wilkes Booth for mixing Lincoln's plan. Look at that big ass voting block Booth have you...lol

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

Show me

Slaves from where were sent to Haiti and Belize

Book: Lincoln sought to deport freed slaves

 

[rightwinger]

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

You do know that Lincoln didn't free the slaves, in The United States, right? And that he wanted the blacks all shipped back to Africa?

You should be thanking John Wilkes Booth for mixing Lincoln's plan. Look at that big ass voting block Booth have you...lol

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

Show me

Slaves from where were sent to Haiti and Belize

Book: Lincoln sought to deport freed slaves

Do you have to use the Washington Times?
Why not use the National Enquirer and be done with it

It is more of the same Lincoln investigating options of what to do with freed slaves......none of which proved workable

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

You do know that Lincoln didn't free the slaves, in The United States, right? And that he wanted the blacks all shipped back to Africa?

You should be thanking John Wilkes Booth for mixing Lincoln's plan. Look at that big ass voting block Booth have you...lol

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

Show me

Slaves from where were sent to Haiti and Belize

Book: Lincoln sought to deport freed slaves

Do you have to use the Washington Times?
Why not use the National Enquirer and be done with it

It is more of the same Lincoln investigating options of what to do with freed slaves......none of which proved workable

It's a book review. I'm sorry if it destroys your argument that, "Lincoln never wanted to deport freed slaves" (your words).

Workable, or not, Lincoln wanted to deport the freed slaves.

 

[jillian]

that's false. it was an executive order.

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

The president can change a law just like you or I can.By presenting legislation for consideration to abolish the law in question...Or, by lawsuit to nullify the law enacted..

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there are regulations promulgated by agencies. there are executive orders.

it's so sad that you never took basic civics.

 

[Searcher44]

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

How typical for a lib to bring up racial matters and ignore the burning of half the South that Sherman did, especially Atlanta.

IT's as if you cant fathom how people would resent the US army conducting Scorched Earth warfare on American soil but can only clue in on any racial aspect of the war.

How pathetic. I will pray for your shriveled soul.

During Sherman's six week march from Atlanta to the sea there were about 4,000 casualties, not many of whom were civilian. 51,000 died in the 3 days at Gettysburg.
There are different ways to look at the campaign, of course to most Southerner's Sherman is still a brute, even a war criminal. His reasoning though is much the same as Truman had when he decided to drop the atom bombs to bring an earlier end to that war. The civil war version of "shock and awe" perhaps. Sherman said "I intend to make Georgia howl" and "If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking." Most historians I think agree that his strategy did help end the war earlier than it would have. The war had already cost hundreds of thousands of southern as well as northern boy's lives. I also think that in most Southerner's minds the destruction he caused is much greater than it was in reality. For example Atlanta itself only suffered about 35% loss of it's structures. And much of that destruction was to legitimate military facilities and material.

Probably bad form to play this but it's one of my favorite civil war era tunes;

There were only 7,800 KIA's at Gettysburg. 46,000 total casualties.

You're right, I must have been thinking 51,000 casualties, thanks.

 

[jillian]

No- that is just your revisionist history and wishful thinking. The vast majority of slaves in the United States of America were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation- no matter how much you regret that.

"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
"That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against the United States."
Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit:
Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.
And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington, this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the eighty-seventh.
By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN
WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.

The President can't change law. The Emancipation Proclamation in no way shape or form freed one single slave in The United States.

that's false. it was an executive order.

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

you're funny.

if only you knew anything about your government.

so when ronnie reagan issued hundreds of executive orders it was advisory. there are things that can be done by executive order and things that can't.

Executive Orders

and you still have zero understanding of what our laws and our court can do.

And you call me ignorant...lol

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     Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the ExecutiveBranch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies.

and if the president signs an executive orders that ICE not detain people with certain status, guess what, that's the law.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

The President can't change law. The Emancipation Proclamation in no way shape or form freed one single slave in The United States.

that's false. it was an executive order.

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

you're funny.

if only you knew anything about your government.

so when ronnie reagan issued hundreds of executive orders it was advisory. there are things that can be done by executive order and things that can't.

Executive Orders

and you still have zero understanding of what our laws and our court can do.

And you call me ignorant...lol

1. 
   
   
   • 
     Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the ExecutiveBranch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies.

and if the president signs an executive orders that ICE not detain people with certain status, guess what, that's the law.

No, it isn't. Its a regulati9n, within the Executive Branch. An illegal one, at that, unless Congress has created said status.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Nope. The President can't change a law, period.

I bet you people are still scratching your head, asking why the emancipation proclamation didn't free slaves in The United States. Huh?...lol

The president can change a law just like you or I can.By presenting legislation for consideration to abolish the law in question...Or, by lawsuit to nullify the law enacted..

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there are regulations promulgated by agencies. there are executive orders.

it's so sad that you never took basic civics.

Regulations, not laws. Only Congress can make laws.

 

[whitehall]

Lincoln didn't save the Union. His ineptness caused a crisis that split the Union and killed most of the best and bravest of a generation. Any president in modern times would be impeached and imprisoned for sanctioning a drunk who said he would cause a crow to pack a lunch before flying over the Shenandoah Valley when he intended to make war on innocent farmers or a clinically insane general who thought he was "God's terrible swift sword" and burned a Southern city or a incompetent idiot like Beast Butler who was appointed as king of New Orleans and treated Southern women like whores.

 

[Faun]

Still pissed off with Lincoln for the Emancipation Proclamation and instigating the 13th Amendment eh?

HAHAHA. You ignorant jackass. The EP didn't free any slaves since it only applied to the confederacy which was a separate country that lincoln had no control over. He COULD have freed the slaves in the 4 Union slave states but he exempted them from the EP!!!

THINK

And yet, they were freed.

 

[rightwinger]

Lincoln did not want all slaves shipped back to Africa. He considered it as an option and found it unworkable

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

Show me

Slaves from where were sent to Haiti and Belize

Book: Lincoln sought to deport freed slaves

Do you have to use the Washington Times?
Why not use the National Enquirer and be done with it

It is more of the same Lincoln investigating options of what to do with freed slaves......none of which proved workable

It's a book review. I'm sorry if it destroys your argument that, "Lincoln never wanted to deport freed slaves" (your words).

Workable, or not, Lincoln wanted to deport the freed slaves.

We are looking at 1860s sociology.....not the best our country had to offer

We were a country that thought human bondage was a good idea. A country for slaves to go to seemed like a good idea. Not too different from Israel.
The idea proved unworkable

 

[Moonglow]

The president can change a law just like you or I can.By presenting legislation for consideration to abolish the law in question...Or, by lawsuit to nullify the law enacted..

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there are regulations promulgated by agencies. there are executive orders.

it's so sad that you never took basic civics.

Regulations, not laws. Only Congress can make laws.

No there are state legislatures which can make laws..

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Not only did he want it, he did it. In 1862, American slaves were deported to Haiti. Later, slaves were being sent to Belize, then a British colony. England stopped the resettlement, because of legal uncertainties.

Show me

Slaves from where were sent to Haiti and Belize

Book: Lincoln sought to deport freed slaves

Do you have to use the Washington Times?
Why not use the National Enquirer and be done with it

It is more of the same Lincoln investigating options of what to do with freed slaves......none of which proved workable

It's a book review. I'm sorry if it destroys your argument that, "Lincoln never wanted to deport freed slaves" (your words).

Workable, or not, Lincoln wanted to deport the freed slaves.

We are looking at 1860s sociology.....not the best our country had to offer

We were a country that thought human bondage was a good idea. A country for slaves to go to seemed like a good idea. Not too different from Israel.
The idea proved unworkable

None of which changes the fact that Lincoln wanted to deport the slaves.

 

[rightwinger]

Lincoln didn't save the Union. His ineptness caused a crisis that split the Union and killed most of the best and bravest of a generation. Any president in modern times would be impeached and imprisoned for sanctioning a drunk who said he would cause a crow to pack a lunch before flying over the Shenandoah Valley when he intended to make war on innocent farmers or a clinically insane general who thought he was "God's terrible swift sword" and burned a Southern city or a incompetent idiot like Beast Butler who was appointed as king of New Orleans and treated Southern women like whores.

Lincoln saved the union from the slave rapers

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Right...legislation...through Congress.

You people really don't know how our government works, so you?

Evidently ignorance is bliss to you...You can write a law and try to lobby it's direction just like the corporate boyz.....do..get hip to the trip on how shit works, takes away the frustration of stupidity..

Through Congress, sure. Not through the executive branch.

Soooo solly!

there are regulations promulgated by agencies. there are executive orders.

it's so sad that you never took basic civics.

Regulations, not laws. Only Congress can make laws.

No there are state legislatures which can make laws..

And, not the President...LMAO