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Who did that? Are you talking about Democrats importing unskilled illegal immigrants to fill low end jobs and keep them from legal Americans?
How about the rich corporations getting politicians to allow more guest workers? You really believe repubs would stop immigration? You are a fool.
We are talking about the collusion case I have posted. If you can't keep up, go away.
I don't have a problem with guest workers. Why would that be a problem? Why are only Americans allowed to make money? I just don't understand this mentality.
You are ok with replacing US workers with cheap foreign workers? That's great for wages.
Are you OK with discriminating against all people of the world, for money? That's a benevolent position. How kind and open minded you are.
Well it's great for the rich.
and FYI that larger settlement which the judge had no right to impose was still lees than a drop of piss in the ocean for those 4 companies who are worth over 1.3 trillion collectively and the people who said they were injured proved that they only thought their "injuries" were only worth a couple grand
This was a bullshit laws suit and you want to claim it as some sort of gigantic victory
But those companies just got some big write offs and we all know how much that frosts your ass
Well we have learned you support collusion and bad capitalism.
We have stagnant wages and the rich collude to hold them down. Glad the DOJ caught them in this case. Hope they catch more soon.
Because it's not collusion, and not bad capitalism, and there is nothing wrong with it. Yes I support people being about to do stuff that isn't wrong.
Just flat out, it's not wrong. You people declare everything wrong, and then scream when people do anything.
Not wrong? You are not a capitalist. Holding down wages through collusion is against the market.
Not wrong. There is nothing wrong with saying "we're not going to poach each others employees". Nothing wrong with that. Period. End of story.
You are not capitalist. Capitalism means THEY own THEIR company, not you. You don't get to dictate how they run THEIR company, not yours. I am more capitalist than you are on this issue. You are SOCIALIST, trying to demand how they operate is SOCIALIST.
Collusion between government and corporations is not capitalism, it's socialism, what you support. You can't worm your way out of that
This is collusion between companies. You obviously have no clue. I support good capitalism, not what we have now.
Seriously, you don't see them buying government? Wow
The example we were discussing was between companies. The DOJ stopped it. If you can't follow go away.
Not in the OP or the title. I like how you said "the example we were discussing," rather than naming what you were "discussing" do you know?
And generally companies collude only when they work together to buy government. And you want more government
Oh should I post it again because you are too lazy to look and have no clue?
I'm an independent moron.Well the repubs control congress, what have they done? You are a fool to believe they want that.I said I want politicians to stop ILLEGAL immigration. Fuck you and the fart that blew you in, race baiter
Strawman, I never said anything about the Republicans. Stop addressing the voices in your head. And the world isn't just your party and Republicans, moron. In fact there is little that separates you from Republicans
No, you're a leftist moron
Oh really? How do you know this?
This is really screwed up...and we Americans fight among ourselves over stupid things. All the while the elites are screwing us. When will we wake up and take action?
I am doing great thanks, but unlike you, I am concerned about my fellow Americans who are getting screwed by a fraudulent system.This is really screwed up...and we Americans fight among ourselves over stupid things. All the while the elites are screwing us. When will we wake up and take action?
You would be better off if you were more concerned about what and how you're doing as opposed to what and how others are doing. And if you want to throw the Panama Papers around remember one thing. Hillary Clinton's friends are all over it and knee deep in it and so is she.
and FYI that larger settlement which the judge had no right to impose was still lees than a drop of piss in the ocean for those 4 companies who are worth over 1.3 trillion collectively and the people who said they were injured proved that they only thought their "injuries" were only worth a couple grand
This was a bullshit laws suit and you want to claim it as some sort of gigantic victory
But those companies just got some big write offs and we all know how much that frosts your ass
Well we have learned you support collusion and bad capitalism.
We have stagnant wages and the rich collude to hold them down. Glad the DOJ caught them in this case. Hope they catch more soon.
Because it's not collusion, and not bad capitalism, and there is nothing wrong with it. Yes I support people being about to do stuff that isn't wrong.
Just flat out, it's not wrong. You people declare everything wrong, and then scream when people do anything.
Not wrong? You are not a capitalist. Holding down wages through collusion is against the market.
Not wrong. There is nothing wrong with saying "we're not going to poach each others employees". Nothing wrong with that. Period. End of story.
You are not capitalist. Capitalism means THEY own THEIR company, not you. You don't get to dictate how they run THEIR company, not yours. I am more capitalist than you are on this issue. You are SOCIALIST, trying to demand how they operate is SOCIALIST.
That is some impressive stupidity. Please link to any economist that says colluding to hold down wages is good capitalism.
I am doing great thanks, but unlike you, I am concerned about my fellow Americans who are getting screwed by a fraudulent system.This is really screwed up...and we Americans fight among ourselves over stupid things. All the while the elites are screwing us. When will we wake up and take action?
You would be better off if you were more concerned about what and how you're doing as opposed to what and how others are doing. And if you want to throw the Panama Papers around remember one thing. Hillary Clinton's friends are all over it and knee deep in it and so is she.
I you don't think the system is rigged, you are not thinking.
I'm an independent moron.Well the repubs control congress, what have they done? You are a fool to believe they want that.
Strawman, I never said anything about the Republicans. Stop addressing the voices in your head. And the world isn't just your party and Republicans, moron. In fact there is little that separates you from Republicans
No, you're a leftist moron
Oh really? How do you know this?
Because you always post leftist. I mean duh
Well we have learned you support collusion and bad capitalism.
We have stagnant wages and the rich collude to hold them down. Glad the DOJ caught them in this case. Hope they catch more soon.
Because it's not collusion, and not bad capitalism, and there is nothing wrong with it. Yes I support people being about to do stuff that isn't wrong.
Just flat out, it's not wrong. You people declare everything wrong, and then scream when people do anything.
Not wrong? You are not a capitalist. Holding down wages through collusion is against the market.
Not wrong. There is nothing wrong with saying "we're not going to poach each others employees". Nothing wrong with that. Period. End of story.
You are not capitalist. Capitalism means THEY own THEIR company, not you. You don't get to dictate how they run THEIR company, not yours. I am more capitalist than you are on this issue. You are SOCIALIST, trying to demand how they operate is SOCIALIST.
That is some impressive stupidity. Please link to any economist that says colluding to hold down wages is good capitalism.
All I have to do is read a dictionary. Capitalism is PRIVATE ownership and control. Socialism is government or social control.
When you are telling me, that we should dictate wages to a private company, which is that? Private control? Or social Control?
Use a dictionary.
You have been using wrong numbers actually.
Judge approves $415M settlement in Apple, Google wage case
I already gave you the exact reason companies agree to settle.
Companies are boxed in by government, and are guilty no matter what they do. If you under price, you are guilty. Overprice and you are guilty, price the same and you are guilty.
I was reading a report by a former government official who worked in banking regulation, that there are now so many regulations, from multiple federal agencies, and from state and local, and federal regulations, that if they enforced every single regulations, from every single agency, from every single government level, there wouldn't be a single bank left operating in the entire country.
If I have time, I'll look that up again.
It's the same as driving laws. In reality, nearly every person in the country, violates a driving law, every day of their life.
When you ask "Why do companies settle out of court? It makes them look bad". The answer is, because if they go to court, they will likely lose, no matter what the truth is. Even if they did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever, they will still likely lose.
Moreover, for no logical reason whatsoever, if you fine a company with damages, you can have the fine tripled under the anti-trust laws. Meaning a fine of $3 Billion, would end up $9 Billion under the idiotic law. And they settled instead for $20 Million?
The bottom line is, no matter what the company did, it would have looked bad. So might as well go for the looking bad that costs less money.
As for my take on the whole thing.... few things...
Once again, this is yet another example of the left pretending that it's in favor of the little guy, when in fact they are for the rich getting richer.
The people who would have been poached from Apple and Google, and Intel, Pixar, and so one.... these are all highly paid rich wealthy people who have stock options. So a bunch of rich people are b!tching that they are not richer.... and you people on the left are supporting them? Hypocrites! All the left... all hypocrites.
And by the way, the vast vast majority of workers in this country, if they want to get a higher paying job, they have to apply for the job, like any other worker.
This entire debate is surrounding one single action. Cold-Calling. The agreement that resulted in this entire deal, is these companies agreed to not cold-call other companies top employees. That's it. If *YOU* were a high-paid top Engineer at Apple, and you called up Intel and applied for a job, and they offered you double your already filthy rich salary... there was nothing in the agreement that stopped this. There was absolutely nothing that prevented you from getting your salary doubled in this agreement. They only thing it prevented was you being served a better paying job in a cold-call.
These spoiled brat employees, sued because people were not handing them higher paying jobs on a silver platter, calling them up randomly at work to ask them to take a bigger salary. They could easily apply for a higher paying job, like the rest of the workers on the planet have to do.... but no no, they wanted to sit on their butts and be spoon fed a higher salary.
This is what you are defending? This is what Apple and Google are so "guilty" of? I side with the companies 100%. None of them did anything wrong at all. The entire thing, is just an example of spoiled brat American rich people, complaining they are not richer. Just another example that the left is not for the average people, but for the super wealthy.
The problem is that the legislators who pass laws, judges who run courts and the attorneys on both sides are all lawyers. Getting rid of baseless, frivolous lawsuits isn't in their interest. When a woman takes the top off coffee and dumps it in her lap, she gets six figures. It's preposterous
Absolutely insane. And nothing is an "accident", it's magically some evil greedy person somewhere is to blame, and so we have to legislate everything.
I hate to say it, but I think having a "loser pays all" rule would clean out these lawsuits. But it could hamper justice too. Yet the trade off is tilting too far right now.
Loser pays all is tricky. If I ware a corporation, I'd spend $1M on a small case to destroy the accuser regardless how guilty I was. Win a few and scare the rest. Then when you get into caps, how do you set that fairly? It just becomes another government boondoggle and trial lawyers would fill the coffers of Democrats to set them.
The #1 way to get rid of them would be for judges to toss them. Plaintiffs are supposed to have legal standards of harm and evidence to go to court, and judges just don't enforce that. Like I took the lid off my coffee and it turned out to be hot! No shit. Taking the lid off was clear assumption of risk. And seriously, who doesn't know coffee is made from boiling water? The judge had every power to toss it and didn't
The solution is to emulate Britain: loser pays all. You'd see how fast these phony lawsuits would stop.
You have been using wrong numbers actually.
Judge approves $415M settlement in Apple, Google wage case
I already gave you the exact reason companies agree to settle.
Companies are boxed in by government, and are guilty no matter what they do. If you under price, you are guilty. Overprice and you are guilty, price the same and you are guilty.
I was reading a report by a former government official who worked in banking regulation, that there are now so many regulations, from multiple federal agencies, and from state and local, and federal regulations, that if they enforced every single regulations, from every single agency, from every single government level, there wouldn't be a single bank left operating in the entire country.
If I have time, I'll look that up again.
It's the same as driving laws. In reality, nearly every person in the country, violates a driving law, every day of their life.
When you ask "Why do companies settle out of court? It makes them look bad". The answer is, because if they go to court, they will likely lose, no matter what the truth is. Even if they did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever, they will still likely lose.
Moreover, for no logical reason whatsoever, if you fine a company with damages, you can have the fine tripled under the anti-trust laws. Meaning a fine of $3 Billion, would end up $9 Billion under the idiotic law. And they settled instead for $20 Million?
The bottom line is, no matter what the company did, it would have looked bad. So might as well go for the looking bad that costs less money.
As for my take on the whole thing.... few things...
Once again, this is yet another example of the left pretending that it's in favor of the little guy, when in fact they are for the rich getting richer.
The people who would have been poached from Apple and Google, and Intel, Pixar, and so one.... these are all highly paid rich wealthy people who have stock options. So a bunch of rich people are b!tching that they are not richer.... and you people on the left are supporting them? Hypocrites! All the left... all hypocrites.
And by the way, the vast vast majority of workers in this country, if they want to get a higher paying job, they have to apply for the job, like any other worker.
This entire debate is surrounding one single action. Cold-Calling. The agreement that resulted in this entire deal, is these companies agreed to not cold-call other companies top employees. That's it. If *YOU* were a high-paid top Engineer at Apple, and you called up Intel and applied for a job, and they offered you double your already filthy rich salary... there was nothing in the agreement that stopped this. There was absolutely nothing that prevented you from getting your salary doubled in this agreement. They only thing it prevented was you being served a better paying job in a cold-call.
These spoiled brat employees, sued because people were not handing them higher paying jobs on a silver platter, calling them up randomly at work to ask them to take a bigger salary. They could easily apply for a higher paying job, like the rest of the workers on the planet have to do.... but no no, they wanted to sit on their butts and be spoon fed a higher salary.
This is what you are defending? This is what Apple and Google are so "guilty" of? I side with the companies 100%. None of them did anything wrong at all. The entire thing, is just an example of spoiled brat American rich people, complaining they are not richer. Just another example that the left is not for the average people, but for the super wealthy.
The problem is that the legislators who pass laws, judges who run courts and the attorneys on both sides are all lawyers. Getting rid of baseless, frivolous lawsuits isn't in their interest. When a woman takes the top off coffee and dumps it in her lap, she gets six figures. It's preposterous
Absolutely insane. And nothing is an "accident", it's magically some evil greedy person somewhere is to blame, and so we have to legislate everything.
I hate to say it, but I think having a "loser pays all" rule would clean out these lawsuits. But it could hamper justice too. Yet the trade off is tilting too far right now.
Loser pays all is tricky. If I ware a corporation, I'd spend $1M on a small case to destroy the accuser regardless how guilty I was. Win a few and scare the rest. Then when you get into caps, how do you set that fairly? It just becomes another government boondoggle and trial lawyers would fill the coffers of Democrats to set them.
The #1 way to get rid of them would be for judges to toss them. Plaintiffs are supposed to have legal standards of harm and evidence to go to court, and judges just don't enforce that. Like I took the lid off my coffee and it turned out to be hot! No shit. Taking the lid off was clear assumption of risk. And seriously, who doesn't know coffee is made from boiling water? The judge had every power to toss it and didn't
But that doesn't solve anything. Judges already toss millions of cases. The problem is, as long as it's free to file suit, people file suit hundreds of times hoping to win one case. That's why it has the nickname "the legal lotto", because you never know if some asinine suit will win. The shocking "coffee is served hot" case is a perfect example.
There was one case, where a guy supposedly lost a pair of pants at a laundry mat, and the guy filed suit for millions of dollars. The case actually went to trial, and was only dismissed when the laundry mat found the pants in the mean time, and brought them to court.
So apparently the "let the judges throw out the cases" plan isn't working. And until people have to cough up money to pay for cases they bring, they have no reason to stop filing suits until one strikes the legal lotto and they win.
Inside the Beltway: Top 10 ‘frivolous lawsuits’ of 2015
PETA, which has filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Naruto, a 6-year-old crested macaque monkey. The animal rights group claims that the primate owns the rights to a series of “monkey selfies.” Indeed, Naruto took pictures of himself with a special camera setup supplied by a photographer who later published the images in a book. PETA claims the publication profits belong to Naruto, not the photographer.Until these idiots start having to pay massive money to file these moronic lawsuits, our courts will be clogged with garbage.
The problem is that the legislators who pass laws, judges who run courts and the attorneys on both sides are all lawyers. Getting rid of baseless, frivolous lawsuits isn't in their interest. When a woman takes the top off coffee and dumps it in her lap, she gets six figures. It's preposterous
Absolutely insane. And nothing is an "accident", it's magically some evil greedy person somewhere is to blame, and so we have to legislate everything.
I hate to say it, but I think having a "loser pays all" rule would clean out these lawsuits. But it could hamper justice too. Yet the trade off is tilting too far right now.
There were evil people colluding to hold down wages. That is anti capitalism and so are you.
Who did that? Are you talking about Democrats importing unskilled illegal immigrants to fill low end jobs and keep them from legal Americans?
How about the rich corporations getting politicians to allow more guest workers? You really believe repubs would stop immigration? You are a fool.
We are talking about the collusion case I have posted. If you can't keep up, go away.
I don't have a problem with guest workers. Why would that be a problem? Why are only Americans allowed to make money? I just don't understand this mentality.
Absolutely insane. And nothing is an "accident", it's magically some evil greedy person somewhere is to blame, and so we have to legislate everything.
I hate to say it, but I think having a "loser pays all" rule would clean out these lawsuits. But it could hamper justice too. Yet the trade off is tilting too far right now.
There were evil people colluding to hold down wages. That is anti capitalism and so are you.
Who did that? Are you talking about Democrats importing unskilled illegal immigrants to fill low end jobs and keep them from legal Americans?
How about the rich corporations getting politicians to allow more guest workers? You really believe repubs would stop immigration? You are a fool.
We are talking about the collusion case I have posted. If you can't keep up, go away.
I don't have a problem with guest workers. Why would that be a problem? Why are only Americans allowed to make money? I just don't understand this mentality.
You are ok with replacing US workers with cheap foreign workers? That's great for wages.
Who did that? Are you talking about Democrats importing unskilled illegal immigrants to fill low end jobs and keep them from legal Americans?
How about the rich corporations getting politicians to allow more guest workers? You really believe repubs would stop immigration? You are a fool.
We are talking about the collusion case I have posted. If you can't keep up, go away.
I don't have a problem with guest workers. Why would that be a problem? Why are only Americans allowed to make money? I just don't understand this mentality.
You are ok with replacing US workers with cheap foreign workers? That's great for wages.
Are you OK with discriminating against all people of the world, for money? That's a benevolent position. How kind and open minded you are.
Well it's great for the rich.
I'm an independent moron.Strawman, I never said anything about the Republicans. Stop addressing the voices in your head. And the world isn't just your party and Republicans, moron. In fact there is little that separates you from Republicans
No, you're a leftist moron
Oh really? How do you know this?
Because you always post leftist. I mean duh
Really? I guess you didn't look at my post history.
Well in this thread I'm clearly not pro immigration. What side does that fall on? I'm also pro good capitalism. Have you seen my posts on children and this ridiculous transgender fantasy?I'm an independent moron.
No, you're a leftist moron
Oh really? How do you know this?
Because you always post leftist. I mean duh
Really? I guess you didn't look at my post history.
Yes, I read every post you ever wrote and it turns out you didn't clearly address the question. So you're going to have to do that now or admit you lied about it. Careful on your answer, I cataloged every post you've written and I'll know within seven minutes if you're lying about what you posted.
Moron
There were evil people colluding to hold down wages. That is anti capitalism and so are you.
Who did that? Are you talking about Democrats importing unskilled illegal immigrants to fill low end jobs and keep them from legal Americans?
How about the rich corporations getting politicians to allow more guest workers? You really believe repubs would stop immigration? You are a fool.
We are talking about the collusion case I have posted. If you can't keep up, go away.
I don't have a problem with guest workers. Why would that be a problem? Why are only Americans allowed to make money? I just don't understand this mentality.
You are ok with replacing US workers with cheap foreign workers? That's great for wages.
They are frequently high skilled workers and great for our economy. It's true that the Americans who lose their jobs because you import illegal aliens to do them more cheaply. But far above you on higher ends of the food chain, skilled workers create MORE skilled jobs, not less
Because it's not collusion, and not bad capitalism, and there is nothing wrong with it. Yes I support people being about to do stuff that isn't wrong.
Just flat out, it's not wrong. You people declare everything wrong, and then scream when people do anything.
Not wrong? You are not a capitalist. Holding down wages through collusion is against the market.
Not wrong. There is nothing wrong with saying "we're not going to poach each others employees". Nothing wrong with that. Period. End of story.
You are not capitalist. Capitalism means THEY own THEIR company, not you. You don't get to dictate how they run THEIR company, not yours. I am more capitalist than you are on this issue. You are SOCIALIST, trying to demand how they operate is SOCIALIST.
That is some impressive stupidity. Please link to any economist that says colluding to hold down wages is good capitalism.
All I have to do is read a dictionary. Capitalism is PRIVATE ownership and control. Socialism is government or social control.
When you are telling me, that we should dictate wages to a private company, which is that? Private control? Or social Control?
Use a dictionary.
You really don't understand capitalism at all do you? It isn't dictated. It is determined by the labor market. Collusion is going against the market and against capitalism.
Understanding Capitalism Part III: Wages and Labor Markets
