Top U.S. Marine Orders All Confederate Symbols Be Removed From Corps Bases

[WinterBorn]

I have read numerous history books, and taken several college level history courses. You?

I’m self taught,, I think you are confusing history,, south was fighting for state rights,, most southerners never seen a slave before never mind own one lol democrats wanted to keep slavery the elite lefties

First of all, specifically what "states rights" were they fighting for?

And second of all, no it was not. Why would states leave the union over issues with state's rights, and then write a constitution which offered no state's rights.

from the confederate constitution
"“In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.”"

Here is a section of the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union:

"The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation."

The full text of the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union is available here:
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Feel free to read it and point out my error.

Not sure what your point is.. by 1861 most slaves were family and the southners knew the slaves couldn’t make it own their own because of the racist democrats so the law actually protected their family. But like I said are you claiming to know the thoughts of every southerner? And why did free blacks fight for the confederacy? Asians, Latinos, Indians.. you give my fallacies. I just give you common logic

And, specifically, what fallacies do I give you? Before we continue, answer that. YOu accuse me of fallacies when I offer facts from documented sources. While you offer the idea that slaves were family? No.

You said they fought to keep slaves.. that’s a lie .. you lie

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

 

[WinterBorn]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

 

[Jitss617]

I’m self taught,, I think you are confusing history,, south was fighting for state rights,, most southerners never seen a slave before never mind own one lol democrats wanted to keep slavery the elite lefties

First of all, specifically what "states rights" were they fighting for?

And second of all, no it was not. Why would states leave the union over issues with state's rights, and then write a constitution which offered no state's rights.

from the confederate constitution
"“In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.”"

Here is a section of the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union:

"The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation."

The full text of the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union is available here:
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Feel free to read it and point out my error.

Not sure what your point is.. by 1861 most slaves were family and the southners knew the slaves couldn’t make it own their own because of the racist democrats so the law actually protected their family. But like I said are you claiming to know the thoughts of every southerner? And why did free blacks fight for the confederacy? Asians, Latinos, Indians.. you give my fallacies. I just give you common logic

And, specifically, what fallacies do I give you? Before we continue, answer that. YOu accuse me of fallacies when I offer facts from documented sources. While you offer the idea that slaves were family? No.

You said they fought to keep slaves.. that’s a lie .. you lie

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

 

[WinterBorn]

And really, your attempts at the justification of slavery and your inaccurate claims that the civil war was not about slavery, have strayed from the topic.

The US Marine Corp is not in the business of teaching history. Removing confederate symbols from Marine Corp bases is a logical step. They were, after all, enemies of the United States the entire time they existed.

You want confederate monuments in your yard, know yourself out. I am sure those 17 Russian Caucasian Mountain Dogs you own 21 would be happy to lift their leg and piss all over it.

But on a US Military Base, the only symbols that should be there would be those of the United States of America.

 

[Jitss617]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

More fallacies.. if you were a 5th generation slave owner, with the same slave family, that was your family.. and they knew on their own they would lose the protection of their family.. Robert e lee after the war had the one of the first black only schools in HIs HOUSE! Lol no one wanted slavery in 1861, they just didn’t know what to do with them,, the two different cultures could never co exist, and that is true. But most southerners didn’t have slaves lol they wanted state rights.

 

[WinterBorn]

First of all, specifically what "states rights" were they fighting for?

And second of all, no it was not. Why would states leave the union over issues with state's rights, and then write a constitution which offered no state's rights.

from the confederate constitution
"“In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.”"

Here is a section of the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union:

"The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation."

The full text of the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union is available here:
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Feel free to read it and point out my error.

Not sure what your point is.. by 1861 most slaves were family and the southners knew the slaves couldn’t make it own their own because of the racist democrats so the law actually protected their family. But like I said are you claiming to know the thoughts of every southerner? And why did free blacks fight for the confederacy? Asians, Latinos, Indians.. you give my fallacies. I just give you common logic

And, specifically, what fallacies do I give you? Before we continue, answer that. YOu accuse me of fallacies when I offer facts from documented sources. While you offer the idea that slaves were family? No.

You said they fought to keep slaves.. that’s a lie .. you lie

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

 

[Jitss617]

Not sure what your point is.. by 1861 most slaves were family and the southners knew the slaves couldn’t make it own their own because of the racist democrats so the law actually protected their family. But like I said are you claiming to know the thoughts of every southerner? And why did free blacks fight for the confederacy? Asians, Latinos, Indians.. you give my fallacies. I just give you common logic

And, specifically, what fallacies do I give you? Before we continue, answer that. YOu accuse me of fallacies when I offer facts from documented sources. While you offer the idea that slaves were family? No.

You said they fought to keep slaves.. that’s a lie .. you lie

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

 

[WinterBorn]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

More fallacies.. if you were a 5th generation slave owner, with the same slave family, that was your family.. and they knew on their own they would lose the protection of their family.. Robert e lee after the war had the one of the first black only schools in HIs HOUSE! Lol no one wanted slavery in 1861, they just didn’t know what to do with them,, the two different cultures could never co exist, and that is true. But most southerners didn’t have slaves lol they wanted state rights.

I am sure some of the farmers were fond of their horses too. Doesn't make them family.

And the reason Robert E. Lee had the school in his house after the war, was because he would have been prosecuted for it before the war.

You are right about one thing. Most southerners didn't own slaves.

They would lose the protection of their family? So who protected them FROM their family. Tens of thousands of slaves carried scars from the whippings they had received at the hands of their owners or his foreman.

 

[WinterBorn]

And, specifically, what fallacies do I give you? Before we continue, answer that. YOu accuse me of fallacies when I offer facts from documented sources. While you offer the idea that slaves were family? No.

You said they fought to keep slaves.. that’s a lie .. you lie

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

 

[WinterBorn]

Do you really think a US Marine Corp base must have symbols from the confederacy? Really? Why?

 

[Jitss617]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

More fallacies.. if you were a 5th generation slave owner, with the same slave family, that was your family.. and they knew on their own they would lose the protection of their family.. Robert e lee after the war had the one of the first black only schools in HIs HOUSE! Lol no one wanted slavery in 1861, they just didn’t know what to do with them,, the two different cultures could never co exist, and that is true. But most southerners didn’t have slaves lol they wanted state rights.

I am sure some of the farmers were fond of their horses too. Doesn't make them family.

And the reason Robert E. Lee had the school in his house after the war, was because he would have been prosecuted for it before the war.

You are right about one thing. Most southerners didn't own slaves.

They would lose the protection of their family? So who protected them FROM their family. Tens of thousands of slaves carried scars from the whippings they had received at the hands of their owners or his foreman.

No one is saying slavery was ok in 1860,, in the previous years it was, conquering era.. to bad, suck it up... did you know blacks owned slaves,,, one Ellison would breed slaves for sale, even white slaves didn’t do that.
16% of the slave owners in Louisiana were black, we had thousands of free blacks.. in the 1860’s elite democrats wanted slavery, no one else.. southerners didn’t want the north telling them how to end it and when

 

[Jitss617]

You said they fought to keep slaves.. that’s a lie .. you lie

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY

 

[WinterBorn]

No, it is not a lie. I notice you have not answered with any specific state's rights that were, as you claim, the cause of the war.

In his Cornerstone Speech, the vice-president of the confederacy said "Tts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth".

and

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."


Are you saying that the vice president of the confederacy didn't know, and that you do?

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY

I did? Where?

 

[Jitss617]

I already answered that question about elite democrats.. go read a book retard

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY

I did? Where?

Ok so you agree they didn’t all want slavery? Lol dude you gotta stick to your fight lol your gonna lose but deal with it

 

[WinterBorn]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

More fallacies.. if you were a 5th generation slave owner, with the same slave family, that was your family.. and they knew on their own they would lose the protection of their family.. Robert e lee after the war had the one of the first black only schools in HIs HOUSE! Lol no one wanted slavery in 1861, they just didn’t know what to do with them,, the two different cultures could never co exist, and that is true. But most southerners didn’t have slaves lol they wanted state rights.

I am sure some of the farmers were fond of their horses too. Doesn't make them family.

And the reason Robert E. Lee had the school in his house after the war, was because he would have been prosecuted for it before the war.

You are right about one thing. Most southerners didn't own slaves.

They would lose the protection of their family? So who protected them FROM their family. Tens of thousands of slaves carried scars from the whippings they had received at the hands of their owners or his foreman.

No one is saying slavery was ok in 1860,, in the previous years it was, conquering era.. to bad, suck it up... did you know blacks owned slaves,,, one Ellison would breed slaves for sale, even white slaves didn’t do that.
16% of the slave owners in Louisiana were black, we had thousands of free blacks.. in the 1860’s elite democrats wanted slavery, no one else.. southerners didn’t want the north telling them how to end it and when

Yes, I am aware that there were black slave owners. That changes nothing in this discussion.

But back to the idea that removing confederate symbols from US Marine Bases is somehow wrong.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have read many books, and quoted facts. That you deny these facts, without documented facts of your own, shows you need to do more reading yourself.

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY

I did? Where?

Ok so you agree they didn’t all want slavery? Lol dude you gotta stick to your fight lol your gonna lose but deal with it

No. I am not losing. The proof is that you just claimed "You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY". But you can't show where I said that. Which means you are lying about what I said, AGAIN.

 

[Jitss617]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

More fallacies.. if you were a 5th generation slave owner, with the same slave family, that was your family.. and they knew on their own they would lose the protection of their family.. Robert e lee after the war had the one of the first black only schools in HIs HOUSE! Lol no one wanted slavery in 1861, they just didn’t know what to do with them,, the two different cultures could never co exist, and that is true. But most southerners didn’t have slaves lol they wanted state rights.

I am sure some of the farmers were fond of their horses too. Doesn't make them family.

And the reason Robert E. Lee had the school in his house after the war, was because he would have been prosecuted for it before the war.

You are right about one thing. Most southerners didn't own slaves.

They would lose the protection of their family? So who protected them FROM their family. Tens of thousands of slaves carried scars from the whippings they had received at the hands of their owners or his foreman.

No one is saying slavery was ok in 1860,, in the previous years it was, conquering era.. to bad, suck it up... did you know blacks owned slaves,,, one Ellison would breed slaves for sale, even white slaves didn’t do that.
16% of the slave owners in Louisiana were black, we had thousands of free blacks.. in the 1860’s elite democrats wanted slavery, no one else.. southerners didn’t want the north telling them how to end it and when

Yes, I am aware that there were black slave owners. That changes nothing in this discussion.

But back to the idea that removing confederate symbols from US Marine Bases is somehow wrong.

It is confederacy believers still serve in the military

 

[Jitss617]

You have a statement from every southerner? Lol

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY

I did? Where?

Ok so you agree they didn’t all want slavery? Lol dude you gotta stick to your fight lol your gonna lose but deal with it

No. I am not losing. The proof is that you just claimed "You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY". But you can't show where I said that. Which means you are lying about what I said, AGAIN.

No idea what your yapping about now.. now you agree with me? Lol

 

[WinterBorn]

Also, your claim that "most slaves were family" is a joke.

Slavery was an abomination. Ownership of another human being is simply wrong on the most fundamental level.

I am sure that some slave owners treated their slaves reasonably well. But they still owned them. They could take a child from its mother and sell it at any time. They could rape the slave women anytime they wanted. Families were split up and sold. They prohibited teaching them to read and write. They were bred like livestock to produce useful traits.

More fallacies.. if you were a 5th generation slave owner, with the same slave family, that was your family.. and they knew on their own they would lose the protection of their family.. Robert e lee after the war had the one of the first black only schools in HIs HOUSE! Lol no one wanted slavery in 1861, they just didn’t know what to do with them,, the two different cultures could never co exist, and that is true. But most southerners didn’t have slaves lol they wanted state rights.

I am sure some of the farmers were fond of their horses too. Doesn't make them family.

And the reason Robert E. Lee had the school in his house after the war, was because he would have been prosecuted for it before the war.

You are right about one thing. Most southerners didn't own slaves.

They would lose the protection of their family? So who protected them FROM their family. Tens of thousands of slaves carried scars from the whippings they had received at the hands of their owners or his foreman.

No one is saying slavery was ok in 1860,, in the previous years it was, conquering era.. to bad, suck it up... did you know blacks owned slaves,,, one Ellison would breed slaves for sale, even white slaves didn’t do that.
16% of the slave owners in Louisiana were black, we had thousands of free blacks.. in the 1860’s elite democrats wanted slavery, no one else.. southerners didn’t want the north telling them how to end it and when

Yes, I am aware that there were black slave owners. That changes nothing in this discussion.

But back to the idea that removing confederate symbols from US Marine Bases is somehow wrong.

It is confederacy believers still serve in the military

What the hell is a "confederacy believer"?

And if they do serve in the military, they are liars.

Since you never enlisted, I will help you out. Every person who enlists in the US Military takes the following oath:
""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.".

 

[WinterBorn]

Don't be daft. And no where did I say I had statements from every southerner. That is just you lying again.

You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY

I did? Where?

Ok so you agree they didn’t all want slavery? Lol dude you gotta stick to your fight lol your gonna lose but deal with it

No. I am not losing. The proof is that you just claimed "You said THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY". But you can't show where I said that. Which means you are lying about what I said, AGAIN.

No idea what your yapping about now.. now you agree with me? Lol

Agree with you? YOu lied about what I said and I challenged you on it. You think that is agreeing?

Can you show me where I said "THEY ALL WANTED SLAVERY" or not?