Training Americans To Follow Orders

[PoliticalChic]

Oh my. What a wandering mess.

In regards to local regulations it always seems like the white power save my neighborhood conservative types are putting up the no fishing signs and telling me my new gal's unlicensed car can't be parked out of the garage. Not to mention if she can have an abortion of smoke pot.

But yeah PC, I agree with you. Local government exercises too much power over "my" property

I sorta agree on the safety regs. W/O digging into stats I am going to assume fewer people were killed per bridge mile built this year than 1950.

"...the white power save my neighborhood conservative types...."

Bet there are lots of them..........not.

8. Never enough rules, mandates, or regulations for Progressives, 'cause...you know....they know what's best.


"....12-year-old T.J. Guerrero operates a lemonade stand to raise money for summer activities with his friends and family..... Hard work and business skills are the lessons learned in this venture. “It’s all about profit,” T.J. noted. He operates his stand with a little white table and yellow sign on the corner of a grassy lawn. The neighbors enjoy seeing the business flourish in the summer months, reminding them of their childhood. “I had one when I was a little kid. We all did,” said Vincent Titara, who lives nearby T.J.’s lemonade stand. “I think it’s cute.”

But not everyone in the neighborhood was happy with the young boy’s little business.

.... an older neighbor became increasingly upset with the placement of T.J.’s lemonade stand near his house and tried to force the city government to shut down the boy’s business..... asserts that T.J.’s lemonade stand is an “illegal business” that causes excessive traffic and noise that could reduce his property values. “The city could possibly face repercussion in the event someone became ill from spoiled/contaminated food or drink sales,” Wilkey speculated in one email.


· In Illinois, health officials tried to shut down an 11-year-old girl’s cupcake business for failing to obtain a license. Chloe Stirling started a business in her kitchen called “Hey, Cupcake!” In addition to selling her goods to friends and neighbors, she donated many to charitable events, including a fundraiser for a student with cancer, and delivered cupcakes to residents in a senior home. Regardless of the benefit to the community, the Illinois health officials declared that Chloe lacked the necessary permit to operate and told her to close up shop.

·

· In Washington, D.C.,three activists were arrested by the Capitol police for selling 10-cent cups of lemonade on the lawn of the Capitol building. For the crime of providing low cost refreshment to tourists in the middle of August heat, the activists were threatened with up to one year in jail.

·

· In Holland, Mich.,, a zoning official shut down a 13-year-old’s hot dog stand because he was supposedly competing with nearby restaurants. Nathan Duszynski had planned to sell hotdogs to raise money for his disabled parents—his mom has epilepsy and his dad has multiple sclerosis. Within ten minutes of opening his shop, a zoning official ordered him to cease from operating because he lacked a license.

All across America, busybodies in local government and police are clamping down on “dangerous” food and drink stands.
Neighbor Begs Government to Shut Child s Lemonade Stand


As I posted earlier, it is Progressives who, from the very beginning, championed "The Administrative State."
"....the original Progressive-Era architects of the administrative state understood this quite clearly, as they made advocacy of this new approach to government an important part of their direct, open, comprehensive attack on the American Constitution."
The Birth of the Administrative State Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government



"The Progressives thus fashioned the bureaucratic regulatory state—also known as the “administrative state.”
https://online.hillsdale.edu/document.doc?id=318



Woodrow Wilson was certainly a "white power" guy......but hardly conservative.

 

[Toronado3800]

Maybe it is backwards here. Bit I swear it is white conservative types hanging up the no fishing signs to keep the black folms out.

And yes pc, there are whole highschool gymnasiums of of them white folks talking about the good ol days here lol.

So anyways. What is a regulation you wanna get rid of? That pesky safty rail if you have a drop off thing? Try hard to pick a cause w/o name calling and you might :gasp: BUILD SUPPORT!

 

[boedicca]

Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?

a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What does that have to do with what I said. The OP is offering us another of her "liberals are/liberals do..." malarky threads about training to follow orders...something the military actually does.

Liberals want to ban thinking? Do you even care how silly the things you type sound?

liberals not only want to ban thinking, they want to punish thoughts that are not sanctioned by the government.

Rand and Orwell saw it coming and wrote about it. Have you read anything by either of them?

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

 

[ricechickie]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

 

[boedicca]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

 

[ricechickie]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

 

[boedicca]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

The evidence from your posts here proves the opposite.

 

[ricechickie]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

The evidence from your posts here proves the opposite.

Are you suggesting, without even a hint of irony, that I would be smarter if I thought just like you?

Bitch, please....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe it is backwards here. Bit I swear it is white conservative types hanging up the no fishing signs to keep the black folms out.

And yes pc, there are whole highschool gymnasiums of of them white folks talking about the good ol days here lol.

So anyways. What is a regulation you wanna get rid of? That pesky safty rail if you have a drop off thing? Try hard to pick a cause w/o name calling and you might :gasp: BUILD SUPPORT!

Let's stick to the point.....did you notice the title of the thread?

Focus on the theme of Leftism....that human nature need be, and can be altered by the right set of regulations, and government, and the result will be.....

(cue Holst).....


....UTOPIA!

 

[PoliticalChic]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

What a stupid post....you must be one of that "whole generation to use critical thinking skills."

Have you seen the results when American students are part of international competitions???

That's Liberal education.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

So......when do you start???

 

[PoliticalChic]

There's a reason why the Libs want to get kids into State Controlled Education starting when they are wee tots.

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

The evidence from your posts here proves the opposite.

Are you suggesting, without even a hint of irony, that I would be smarter if I thought just like you?

Bitch, please....

Time and again, when folks realize they have been skewered, their language falls to the uncivil. It's one of those hard to hide psychological tells....your anger at being bested leaks out in just that way.

 

[ricechickie]

To encourage a whole generation to use critical thinking skills.

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

The evidence from your posts here proves the opposite.

Are you suggesting, without even a hint of irony, that I would be smarter if I thought just like you?

Bitch, please....

Time and again, when folks realize they have been skewered, their language falls to the uncivil. It's one of those hard to hide psychological tells....your anger at being bested leaks out in just that way.

Your apparently inability to recognize humor is not my problem.

All views are mine, nobody tells me what to think. You disagree with me, so you must disparage me.

Kind of a "groupthink" move, don't you know......Peer pressure to conform.

Way to go.

 

[boedicca]

Bitch, please....

Vulgar is as vulgar does.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's getting late....but how about just one more example of Liberal's need to regulate even when unnecessary......



9. ...in NYC, our ex-mayor showed his Liberal side....

"Bloomberg Bans Food Donations To NYC Homeless Shelters

In a move that combines the mayor's affinity for overbearing health regulations with his controversial stance on homeless shelters already under fire from advocacy groups and City Council members,a new rule barring food donations to shelters is raising even more concern.

CBS reports on the bizarre rule that turns away food, perhaps the most needed item for any shelter, because according to health officials, it's impossible to gauge the items' salt, fiber, and other nutritional stats.

When asked about the contradictory stipulation,Bloomberg huffed, "For the things that we run because of all sorts of safety reasons, we just have a policy it is my understanding of not taking donations."

Unfortunately, news of the rule is just another day in Bloomberg's "nanny-state." The mayor has been repeatedly criticized for his health initiatives, with many believing his well-intentioned moves to improve New Yorkers' health ultimately infringe upon basic rights." Bloomberg Bans Food Donations To NYC Homeless Shelters




"...his well-intentioned moves to improve New Yorkers' health ultimately infringe upon basic rights."

Maybe Bloomie.....but for the Liberal hallmark...'you vil learn to obey orders!'...that's not well-intentioned.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Quite the opposite, hun. But you're proof that the indoctrination programs are succeeding.

Maybe you should have attended better schools. I've always been encouraged to think for myself.

The evidence from your posts here proves the opposite.

Are you suggesting, without even a hint of irony, that I would be smarter if I thought just like you?

Bitch, please....

Time and again, when folks realize they have been skewered, their language falls to the uncivil. It's one of those hard to hide psychological tells....your anger at being bested leaks out in just that way.

Your apparently inability to recognize humor is not my problem.

All views are mine, nobody tells me what to think. You disagree with me, so you must disparage me.

Kind of a "groupthink" move, don't you know......Peer pressure to conform.

Way to go.

"You disagree with me, so you must disparage me."

Disparage?

No....I accurately identify.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh my. What a wandering mess.

In regards to local regulations it always seems like the white power save my neighborhood conservative types are putting up the no fishing signs and telling me my new gal's unlicensed car can't be parked out of the garage. Not to mention if she can have an abortion of smoke pot.

But yeah PC, I agree with you. Local government exercises too much power over "my" property

I sorta agree on the safety regs. W/O digging into stats I am going to assume fewer people were killed per bridge mile built this year than 1950.

"...the white power save my neighborhood conservative types...."

Bet there are lots of them..........not.

8. Never enough rules, mandates, or regulations for Progressives, 'cause...you know....they know what's best.


"....12-year-old T.J. Guerrero operates a lemonade stand to raise money for summer activities with his friends and family..... Hard work and business skills are the lessons learned in this venture. “It’s all about profit,” T.J. noted. He operates his stand with a little white table and yellow sign on the corner of a grassy lawn. The neighbors enjoy seeing the business flourish in the summer months, reminding them of their childhood. “I had one when I was a little kid. We all did,” said Vincent Titara, who lives nearby T.J.’s lemonade stand. “I think it’s cute.”

But not everyone in the neighborhood was happy with the young boy’s little business.

.... an older neighbor became increasingly upset with the placement of T.J.’s lemonade stand near his house and tried to force the city government to shut down the boy’s business..... asserts that T.J.’s lemonade stand is an “illegal business” that causes excessive traffic and noise that could reduce his property values. “The city could possibly face repercussion in the event someone became ill from spoiled/contaminated food or drink sales,” Wilkey speculated in one email.


· In Illinois, health officials tried to shut down an 11-year-old girl’s cupcake business for failing to obtain a license. Chloe Stirling started a business in her kitchen called “Hey, Cupcake!” In addition to selling her goods to friends and neighbors, she donated many to charitable events, including a fundraiser for a student with cancer, and delivered cupcakes to residents in a senior home. Regardless of the benefit to the community, the Illinois health officials declared that Chloe lacked the necessary permit to operate and told her to close up shop.

·

· In Washington, D.C.,three activists were arrested by the Capitol police for selling 10-cent cups of lemonade on the lawn of the Capitol building. For the crime of providing low cost refreshment to tourists in the middle of August heat, the activists were threatened with up to one year in jail.

·

· In Holland, Mich.,, a zoning official shut down a 13-year-old’s hot dog stand because he was supposedly competing with nearby restaurants. Nathan Duszynski had planned to sell hotdogs to raise money for his disabled parents—his mom has epilepsy and his dad has multiple sclerosis. Within ten minutes of opening his shop, a zoning official ordered him to cease from operating because he lacked a license.

All across America, busybodies in local government and police are clamping down on “dangerous” food and drink stands.
Neighbor Begs Government to Shut Child s Lemonade Stand


As I posted earlier, it is Progressives who, from the very beginning, championed "The Administrative State."
"....the original Progressive-Era architects of the administrative state understood this quite clearly, as they made advocacy of this new approach to government an important part of their direct, open, comprehensive attack on the American Constitution."
The Birth of the Administrative State Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government



"The Progressives thus fashioned the bureaucratic regulatory state—also known as the “administrative state.”
https://online.hillsdale.edu/document.doc?id=318



Woodrow Wilson was certainly a "white power" guy......but hardly conservative.

So undocumented businesses, and undocumented workers, are okay with you.

Or are you being selective here about who should be able to ignore the law?

 

[Justin Davis]

1. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.“Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”
Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733




2. In the above we can see he central disagreement between the Left and the right.....their understanding of human beings....


The Left, communists, socialists, fascists, Liberals, Progressives see their mission as the changing of human nature, while we on the right see human nature as immutable.

There are, of course, significant differences between the more aggressive versions and Liberalism or Progressivism, but these are mainly attributable to the cultural differences between Europe and America- and between national cultures in general.

Some of those groups try to do so by re-education camps, gulags, and murder. In this country, the Leftists inducing conformity by training.....training from the earliest age to follow the dictates, the rules set down by government....whether they conform to reason and experience, or not.





3. It starts slowly, and in a most innocuous manner....

"I’m beginning to think that there’s a nation-wide government conspiracy against either lemonade or children, because these lemonade stand shutdowns seem to be getting more and more common. If you set up a stand for your kids, just be prepared for a visit from the cops.... policeshut down 4-year-old Abigail Krstinger’s lemonade stand .... Police informed her that a permit would cost $400.... Police said the girls needed a business license, a peddler’s permit, and a food permit to operate the stand, which cost $50 per day or $180 per year each, .... an ordinance preventing vendors from selling products within two blocks of local events – including kids who want to sell lemonade or cookies." The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands - Forbes




4. The subject is autonomy, and the exercise of personal responsibility, the values and institutions found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, i.e., the principles of an earlier time in America: are they relevant today?

a. Freedom will eventually fail due to imposition of Leftist power. It is, in fact, that feature of human nature, that is the impulse to exercise and to concentrate power, that the Founders tried to check, and balance.
This understanding was covered, in the Constitution, by the ideas of balance of power, and that of federalism. Federalism meant the restrictions on governmental power...."The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

But an avalanche of regulations leaves very little power for the people.



b. "Anthropocentricity and individualism...Humanism and Italian art were similar in giving paramount attention to human experience, both in its everyday immediacy and in its positive or negative extremes...The human-centredness of Renaissance art, moreover, was not just a generalized endorsement of earthly experience. Like the humanists, Italian artists stressed the autonomy and dignity of the individual."
"Humanism" on Encyclopædia Britannica



Now...we can't have that in Liberal America today, now, can we?

It seems as though the most serious assaults on individual liberty have come from the federal courts, and the appellate courts are barking-mad out of control today. Congress does have the constitutional power to reign them in under Articles I and III. A little jurisdiction stripping would help.

 

[JoeB131]

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Let's stick to the point.....did you notice the title of the thread?

Focus on the theme of Leftism....that human nature need be, and can be altered by the right set of regulations, and government, and the result will be.....

(cue Holst)....
....UTOPIA!

Gee, so let's look at that.

Before Progressives got involved, if you weren't white or male, you really didn't have much in the way of career oppurtunities. If you were old and got sick, your family was left with the option of letting you die or going bankrupt to keep you around for a few more years.

Star Trek like Utopia? Not hardly. Better than it was for many? Yup.

Racism, Sexism, Homophobia... all going to the wayside because human nature WAS changed.

 

[Toronado3800]

Maybe it is backwards here. Bit I swear it is white conservative types hanging up the no fishing signs to keep the black folms out.

And yes pc, there are whole highschool gymnasiums of of them white folks talking about the good ol days here lol.

So anyways. What is a regulation you wanna get rid of? That pesky safty rail if you have a drop off thing? Try hard to pick a cause w/o name calling and you might :gasp: BUILD SUPPORT!

Let's stick to the point.....did you notice the title of the thread?

Focus on the theme of Leftism....that human nature need be, and can be altered by the right set of regulations, and government, and the result will be.....

(cue Holst).....


....UTOPIA!

Ok...another strange name calling divisive thread that an ISIS plant wouod be proud of.

So um, this Department of Homeland Security and these regulations thanks the the war on terror seem pretty ridiculous.

You are starting to worry me girl. Pick an issue and end the name calling.