Treasury Secretary Mnuchin refuses to release Trump's tax returns

[jc456]

Just announced on CNN. ABC link below:

Treasury denies Democrats' demand for Trump tax returns, again

Democrats aren't used to making demands and not getting their way. Too bad neither the IRS, Mnuchin or anyone else will hand feed you documents on purely political grounds.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

And what probable cause do you have that he did so, sufficient to warrant accessing his tax records?

The testimony of Michael Cohen.

Riiiiiiiight. That's why you fleabrains waited until after the Mueller report fell flat on you before Congress thought to demand the tax returns: because Michael Cohen's testimony was SUCH compelling evidence that there was a crime hidden in them (which, of course, the IRS was not NEARLY as competent to find as you tax experts are).

The REAL "probable cause" for you is that every other attack on Trump has failed, and you need a new narrative.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There is probable cause that Trump committed obstruction. That fact is spelled out by Mueller in his report.

Why don't you post the obstruction highlights? Top 3 bits of evidence. TIA

Excuse me but I'm not your secretary. Do your own research.

You'll have to forgive Toddy.........After he got kicked out of his GED classes, he has a hard time doing ANY homework.

So both you and Clippy are big on echoing CNN/PMSNBC talking points like "obstruction" but small on supporting those claims.

Well don't feel bad … your leftarded media - the squawking heads that for over 2 years filled your painfully empty heads with LIES about "collusion" - come up just as small but you can take comfort in the knowledge that the Hysterical Dem House will impeach the POTUS. It will be politicized and televised and the Senate will squash it after which you will have another hissy-fit and some poor Democrat Socialists will have to face a 2020 American electorate filled with rage and disgust for the US-hating twits who have repeatedly foisted witch-hunts and frauds on their fellow Americans.

Yeah … you fools are digging your party's political grave and if Trump isn't the puppeteer he's doing a fine job of looking the part. He snaps a tweet and y'all froth at the mouth and bark like trained puppies. The best part? Some of you know it and still can't stop doing it. It's a beautiful thing … BIGLY.

One would think that Commander Bone Spurs would want Mueller to testify after he TOTALLY EXONERATED Donnie. No? Which begs the question what that lousy slimeball Trump is afraid of?

One would have to be as dirt-stupid as you are to assume, "I want this, therefore President Trump should want this, therefore he's hiding something because he doesn't want what I think he should want."

Go back & read the Constitution, fool. Congress is a co equal branch of Our Republic. No everyone wants to trash it just because Trump or his goon squad no longer respect or believe in it. GFY.

Go back and talk sense, imbecile. Lofty, vague pronouncements about "Congress is a co-equal branch, and I don't want to trash it like you do!" may work on people even more witless than you, but those of us exponentially more intelligent than you are going to require you to say something real.

Google the Constitution, READ the thing, and then come back and tell me EXACTLY where your muttonhead thinks that it supports what you want. "Go read it" is another way of saying, "It doesn't support me, but I'm hoping you don't know that."

 

[Yarddog]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

Really? you don't think the IRS has had a look at his tax returns? keep dreaming.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Point being there is no evidence of criminality and no charges. Suspicion and allegations are not proof of guilt. IRS justly determined it's just another partisan Democrat Socialist witch-hunt but the attorneys will benefit until the court sorts it out ... in about 5 or 6 years.

Question. Why would anyone with any sense NOT want to see them? Because Trump says you can't? Adoration for Trump is no excuse for his behaviour. And just because Repubs hate Dems is no reason to trash the Constitution.

Or is it?

Question: Why do you dipshits think "I want to" makes any difference to anyone but you? Grow the fuck up and learn that you aren't entitled to everything you want, and you don't get everything you want.

Either show me the provision in the Constitution that says, "If Democrats want to see someone's financial records, they get to with no justification needed", or shove your putrid attempts to wrap your partisan shit in the flag right up your ass next to your brain.

Fool, the Dem party didn't exist when the Constitution was written. In fact, no political parties are mentioned.

So how's that degree from Trump Whatsammatta University workin out for ya?

Fool, the reason the Constitution doesn't support your viewpoint isn't because "The Dem party didn't exist". Even if it had, the Constitution STILL wouldn't declare that they get their way whenever they want without justification. How many times WERE you dropped on your head, anyway?

So, how's that lack of any education whatsoever working out for you?

Ever hear of Richard Nixon, Trumptard?

Ever hear of "automatic surrender", ass nuzzler? That's what "Anyone who disagrees with me is a Trumptard!!!!" is.

I accept your surrender, and you are dismissed from the adults' conversation.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

And what court has deemed Congress's request "unreasonable"? I suppose every single document request Congress has asked for is "unreasonable", right Ace?

Of course it is! Because Dear Leader said so!

the congress has no judicial authority. just don't. what is it you think will happen? come on, you can't be that fking stupid right?

They have supeona power, Trumptard. Granted in the Constitution, assclown.

Actually, oversight is not an enumerated power of Congress, so they only have subpoena power to aid in enumerated powers and not to carry on other investigations. It will fall to the SC to determine if the House has any subpoena power at all with regard to its investigation of the Mueller report. In three or four years we should have the answer.

And there will still, and always, be the fact that whatever powers they have are as limited by the civil rights of citizens as any other institutions' powers are.

If the courts have to have probable cause to issue a warrant, Congress has to have it to make Congressional demands.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The IRS has determined the demands for Trump's returns are political theater and not legit.
Years of court battles to follow.

Treasury Department rejects Democrats' request for Trump tax returns

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

Or so you need to believe.

Petulant Democrat curiosity is not a valid reason to pierce any Americans' privacy but you can hang on the the very slim hope the unhinged crybabies will win in court ... someday.

Suspicion of criminal activity and treason sure are

What "criminal activity?"

Fraud.

Show your probable cause.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

 

[otto105]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.


The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

 

[SAYIT]

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

Wow ... it is amazing just how insipid you bitter crybabies are. You first need evidence of a crime. Evidence. Do you have any evidence that Trump knowingly inflated his assets to secure bank loans? Have any banks made such claims and filed criminal charges?

What tax form are assets or inflated assets listed on?

sales of assets..

You need tax returns to see asset sales?...

It's not only that our leftist friends are ignorant but rather that so much of what they think they know just isn't so. - (with apologies to RR)

 

[SAYIT]

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

So you now accept that even Trump enjoys the search & seizure protections of the 4th Amend but argue congress may ignore them if they don't like the POTUS? Is that what you are saying?

 

[otto105]

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

Wow ... it is amazing just how insipid you bitter crybabies are. You first need evidence of a crime. Evidence. Do you have any evidence that Trump knowingly inflated his assets to secure bank loans? Have any banks made such claims and filed criminal charges?

What tax form are assets or inflated assets listed on?

sales of assets..

You need tax returns to see asset sales?...

Leftards say such silly things.

It's not only that our leftist friends are ignorant but rather that so much of what they think they know just isn't so. - (with apologies to RR)

The Democrats have the sworn testimony of Michael Cohen. What do you have?

Other than a grifter with 10K lies to his presidency.

 

[otto105]

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

So you now accept that even Trump enjoys the search & seizure protections of the 4th Amend but argue congress may ignore them if they don't like the POTUS? Is that what you are saying?

Take that up with existing law.

But under that law donny grifter doesn't have an argument to withhold the information.

 

[SAYIT]

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

Wow ... it is amazing just how insipid you bitter crybabies are. You first need evidence of a crime. Evidence. Do you have any evidence that Trump knowingly inflated his assets to secure bank loans? Have any banks made such claims and filed criminal charges?

What tax form are assets or inflated assets listed on?

sales of assets..

You need tax returns to see asset sales?...

Leftards say such silly things.

It's not only that our leftist friends are ignorant but rather that so much of what they think they know just isn't so. - (with apologies to RR)

The Democrats have the sworn testimony of Michael Cohen. What do you have?
Other than a grifter with 10K lies to his presidency.

The sworn testimony of a guy who yesterday entered prison for - drum roll, please - LYING UNDER OATH.

 

[SAYIT]

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

So you now accept that even Trump enjoys the search & seizure protections of the 4th Amend but argue congress may ignore them if they don't like the POTUS? Is that what you are saying?

Take that up with existing law.

But under that law donny grifter doesn't have an argument to withhold the information.

Sure he does. He has the same 4th Amend protections we all enjoy. Great law. Ain't America wonderful?

 

[RealDave]

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

So you now accept that even Trump enjoys the search & seizure protections of the 4th Amend but argue congress may ignore them if they don't like the POTUS? Is that what you are saying?

There are many reasons for Congress to see Trump's tax returns. Checks & balances. For example, what does Trump have in regards to Russia? Bank loans? What.

It has to do with obvious signs Trump is owned by the Russians. He lied about his business in Russia. He lied about his campaign's contacts. He claimed nothing in Russia & Jr said Russia was a major source of their financing. Trump sided with Rssia over our intel agencies. Trump delayed Congrewss ordered sanctions for nearly a year.

THAT is enough. Even for an America hating, Trump sucking POS like you.

 

[RealDave]

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

Wow ... it is amazing just how insipid you bitter crybabies are. You first need evidence of a crime. Evidence. Do you have any evidence that Trump knowingly inflated his assets to secure bank loans? Have any banks made such claims and filed criminal charges?

What tax form are assets or inflated assets listed on?

sales of assets..

You need tax returns to see asset sales?...

Leftards say such silly things.

It's not only that our leftist friends are ignorant but rather that so much of what they think they know just isn't so. - (with apologies to RR)

The Democrats have the sworn testimony of Michael Cohen. What do you have?
Other than a grifter with 10K lies to his presidency.

The sworn testimony of a guy who yesterday entered prison for - drum roll, please - LYING UNDER OATH.

You believe a gt that has lid 10,000 times since running in 2016. How stupid can you get.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

So you now accept that even Trump enjoys the search & seizure protections of the 4th Amend but argue congress may ignore them if they don't like the POTUS? Is that what you are saying?

There are many reasons for Congress to see Trump's tax returns. Checks & balances. For example, what does Trump have in regards to Russia? Bank loans? What.

It has to do with obvious signs Trump is owned by the Russians. He lied about his business in Russia. He lied about his campaign's contacts. He claimed nothing in Russia & Jr said Russia was a major source of their financing. Trump sided with Rssia over our intel agencies. Trump delayed Congrewss ordered sanctions for nearly a year.

THAT is enough. Even for an America hating, Trump sucking POS like you.

There are many reasons for Congress to see Trump's tax returns. Checks & balances.

So Trump could request Nadler's and Schiff's returns because....checks and balances?

Trump sided with Rssia over our intel agencies.

Dems have sided with Russia over the US since 1917.
All it took was that corrupt old sot losing to wake you guys up?
Fucking morons!

 

[otto105]

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

Well, now you've told us what you really, really, REALLY want to find. All that's left to do is show us probable cause that it's there TO find.

In case this isn’t obvious, it’s important to emphasize that this wasn’t a subpoena. It also wasn’t a request, per se. As we discussed last month, under existing federal law, a limited number of congressional leaders have the legal authority to access individual tax returns from the Treasury Department.

The State of NY, unlike you and Congress, presumably knows better than to attempt to get tax records from the IRS without demonstrating probable cause.

Yesterday, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee decided to exercise that power. Since the law was created in the wake of the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, no administration has ever denied a lawmaker access to tax returns under this law.

If the Trump administration complies – at this point, that’s a pretty big “if” – the information Richard Neal demanded will answer more than a few questions.


Among other things, for example, the committee chairman has demanded information that would show whether Trump, who claimed he couldn’t disclose his tax returns in 2016 because he was under audit, was actually under audit.


No probable cause needed.

So you now accept that even Trump enjoys the search & seizure protections of the 4th Amend but argue congress may ignore them if they don't like the POTUS? Is that what you are saying?

Take that up with existing law.

But under that law donny grifter doesn't have an argument to withhold the information.

Sure he does. He has the same 4th Amend protections we all enjoy. Great law. Ain't America wonderful?

sayit doofus


There is a law on the books that states different. He has protections against an illegal search, not a lawful one.

 

[SAYIT]

There is probable cause that Trump committed obstruction. That fact is spelled out by Mueller in his report.

Why don't you post the obstruction highlights? Top 3 bits of evidence. TIA

Excuse me but I'm not your secretary. Do your own research.

You'll have to forgive Toddy.........After he got kicked out of his GED classes, he has a hard time doing ANY homework.

So both you and Clippy are big on echoing CNN/PMSNBC talking points like "obstruction" but small on supporting those claims.

Well don't feel bad … your leftarded media - the squawking heads that for over 2 years filled your painfully empty heads with LIES about "collusion" - come up just as small but you can take comfort in the knowledge that the Hysterical Dem House will impeach the POTUS. It will be politicized and televised and the Senate will squash it after which you will have another hissy-fit and some poor Democrat Socialists will have to face a 2020 American electorate filled with rage and disgust for the US-hating twits who have repeatedly foisted witch-hunts and frauds on their fellow Americans.

Yeah … you fools are digging your party's political grave and if Trump isn't the puppeteer he's doing a fine job of looking the part. He snaps a tweet and y'all froth at the mouth and bark like trained puppies. The best part? Some of you know it and still can't stop doing it. It's a beautiful thing … BIGLY.

One would think that Commander Bone Spurs would want Mueller to testify after he TOTALLY EXONERATED Donnie. No? Which begs the question what that lousy slimeball Trump is afraid of?

I'm gonna let you in on a secret: Mueller's testimony will be another punch in the gut for your Collusion Delusion fantasy but Trump (and much of America) wants to watch you and congress set your hair on fire (again) and have another hysterical hissy-fit before negotiating the matter with congress.

The guy has a knack for snapping his fingers and having y'all lose your shit.