Treasury Secretary Mnuchin refuses to release Trump's tax returns

[Clipper]

Suspicion of criminal activity and treason sure are

Point being there is no evidence of criminality and no charges. Suspicion and allegations are not proof of guilt. IRS justly determined it's just another partisan Democrat Socialist witch-hunt but the attorneys will benefit until the court sorts it out ... in about 5 or 6 years.

Question. Why would anyone with any sense NOT want to see them? Because Trump says you can't? Adoration for Trump is no excuse for his behaviour. And just because Repubs hate Dems is no reason to trash the Constitution.

Or is it?

Question: Why do you dipshits think "I want to" makes any difference to anyone but you? Grow the fuck up and learn that you aren't entitled to everything you want, and you don't get everything you want.

Either show me the provision in the Constitution that says, "If Democrats want to see someone's financial records, they get to with no justification needed", or shove your putrid attempts to wrap your partisan shit in the flag right up your ass next to your brain.

Fool, the Dem party didn't exist when the Constitution was written. In fact, no political parties are mentioned.

So how's that degree from Trump Whatsammatta University workin out for ya?

Fool, the reason the Constitution doesn't support your viewpoint isn't because "The Dem party didn't exist". Even if it had, the Constitution STILL wouldn't declare that they get their way whenever they want without justification. How many times WERE you dropped on your head, anyway?

So, how's that lack of any education whatsoever working out for you?

Ever hear of Richard Nixon, Trumptard?

 

[jc456]

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

And what court has deemed Congress's request "unreasonable"? I suppose every single document request Congress has asked for is "unreasonable", right Ace?

Of course it is! Because Dear Leader said so!

the congress has no judicial authority. just don't. what is it you think will happen? come on, you can't be that fking stupid right?

They have supeona power, Trumptard. Granted in the Constitution, assclown.

to do what? they have no judicial power with that. so anyone can tell them to take a flying leap and it isn't illegal.

 

[jc456]

Point being there is no evidence of criminality and no charges. Suspicion and allegations are not proof of guilt. IRS justly determined it's just another partisan Democrat Socialist witch-hunt but the attorneys will benefit until the court sorts it out ... in about 5 or 6 years.

Question. Why would anyone with any sense NOT want to see them? Because Trump says you can't? Adoration for Trump is no excuse for his behaviour. And just because Repubs hate Dems is no reason to trash the Constitution.

Or is it?

Question: Why do you dipshits think "I want to" makes any difference to anyone but you? Grow the fuck up and learn that you aren't entitled to everything you want, and you don't get everything you want.

Either show me the provision in the Constitution that says, "If Democrats want to see someone's financial records, they get to with no justification needed", or shove your putrid attempts to wrap your partisan shit in the flag right up your ass next to your brain.

Fool, the Dem party didn't exist when the Constitution was written. In fact, no political parties are mentioned.

So how's that degree from Trump Whatsammatta University workin out for ya?

Fool, the reason the Constitution doesn't support your viewpoint isn't because "The Dem party didn't exist". Even if it had, the Constitution STILL wouldn't declare that they get their way whenever they want without justification. How many times WERE you dropped on your head, anyway?

So, how's that lack of any education whatsoever working out for you?

Ever hear of Richard Nixon, Trumptard?

he resigned. and?

 

[toomuchtime_]

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

And what court has deemed Congress's request "unreasonable"? I suppose every single document request Congress has asked for is "unreasonable", right Ace?

Of course it is! Because Dear Leader said so!

the congress has no judicial authority. just don't. what is it you think will happen? come on, you can't be that fking stupid right?

They have supeona power, Trumptard. Granted in the Constitution, assclown.

Actually, oversight is not an enumerated power of Congress, so they only have subpoena power to aid in enumerated powers and not to carry on other investigations. It will fall to the SC to determine if the House has any subpoena power at all with regard to its investigation of the Mueller report. In three or four years we should have the answer.

 

[jc456]

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

And what court has deemed Congress's request "unreasonable"? I suppose every single document request Congress has asked for is "unreasonable", right Ace?

Of course it is! Because Dear Leader said so!

the congress has no judicial authority. just don't. what is it you think will happen? come on, you can't be that fking stupid right?

They have supeona power, Trumptard. Granted in the Constitution, assclown.

Actually, oversight is not an enumerated power of Congress, so they only have subpoena power to aid in enumerated powers and not to carry on other investigations. It will fall to the SC to determine if the House has any subpoena power at all with regard to its investigation of the Mueller report. In three or four years we should have the answer.

they can't go back on what they asked for. they asked for the SC. they got it and in two years, the SC didn't find anything. they can't change that, it will not go to SCOTUS. nope, no authority to do such a thing. they are a legislative branch, not judicial and the judicial said nope. they can cry and pee all over themselves, that is the facts. they hate facts.

 

[toobfreak]

Just announced on CNN. ABC link below:

Treasury denies Democrats' demand for Trump tax returns, again

Democrats aren't used to making demands and not getting their way. Too bad neither the IRS, Mnuchin or anyone else will hand feed you documents on purely political grounds.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There’s a big pile of shit that stinks to high heaven. Republicans know it’s there because they can smell it too but are desperately trying to ignore it.

But... wow does that big plie of Orange shit stink and nothing anyone can do can make the stench go away. Well actually maybe s few people. This shit show needs to end.

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Your turn, Clarence Darrow. Explain to me where it is written, in the Constitution or anywhere else, that Congress is exempt from observing the Constitutional rights of citizens.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

And what court has deemed Congress's request "unreasonable"? I suppose every single document request Congress has asked for is "unreasonable", right Ace?

Of course it is! Because Dear Leader said so!

the congress has no judicial authority. just don't. what is it you think will happen? come on, you can't be that fking stupid right?

They have supeona power, Trumptard. Granted in the Constitution, assclown.

Actually, oversight is not an enumerated power of Congress, so they only have subpoena power to aid in enumerated powers and not to carry on other investigations. It will fall to the SC to determine if the House has any subpoena power at all with regard to its investigation of the Mueller report. In three or four years we should have the answer.

they can't go back on what they asked for. they asked for the SC. they got it and in two years, the SC didn't find anything. they can't change that, it will not go to SCOTUS. nope, no authority to do such a thing. they are a legislative branch, not judicial and the judicial said nope. they can cry and pee all over themselves, that is the facts. they hate facts.

Trump has said he will challenge all the subpoenas from Congress in federal court, so these issues will have to work their way up through the court system until they reach the SC.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Here ... learn something.
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

There is probable cause that Trump committed obstruction. That fact is spelled out by Mueller in his report. Trump may as well bend over now, grab his ankles & brace himself for the same screwing he's been giving everyone else his entire adult lfe.

Karma is a bitch.

There is probable cause that Trump committed obstruction. That fact is spelled out by Mueller in his report.

Why don't you post the obstruction highlights?
Top 3 bits of evidence.
TIA

Excuse me but I'm not your secretary. Do your own research even though you probably know already. Don't worry, Trump won't know you suspect him.

Excuse me, but YOU made the assertion, so it's YOUR secretarial work to substantiate it. This pretense of "I don't have to prove it to you, go look it up yourself" is just another way of admitting defeat while being too cowardly to actually do it.

If Trumps tax returns made him look good, he'd have them printed on the front page of every major newspaper in the Country, you stupid fool. Were you born delusional or did you become afflicted after joining Commander Bone Spurs' cult?

I don't give a fat rat's ass what explanation you have for, "I'm just SURE that Trump's tax returns have things he doesn't want people to know". Unless and until you can show me probable cause to believe that his tax returns contain evidence that Congress or you have a right to see, the answer is still, always, and forever "It is none of your goddamned business!"

And before you get too enamored of this "You don't agree with me, so you MUST be a Trump fan, because only a Trump fan wouldn't think I'm BRILLIANT!" riff, anyone who's been here longer than five minutes AND with more brains than a turnip knows that I didn't support Trump in the election, and I find it very annoying. The problem here is that, however much of a jackass I think he is, I think you're exponentially worse. And, of course, I'm not an amoral, Unamerican government-worshipper like you, so I actually believe in civil rights.

So congratulations on being a bigger piece of shit than Trump. Bravo!

 

[Cecilie1200]

There’s a big pile of shit that stinks to high heaven. Republicans know it’s there because they can smell it too but are desperately trying to ignore it.

But... wow does that big plie of Orange shit stink and nothing anyone can do can make the stench go away. Well actually maybe s few people. This shit show needs to end.

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

And what court has deemed Congress's request "unreasonable"? I suppose every single document request Congress has asked for is "unreasonable", right Ace?

Of course it is! Because Dear Leader said so!

Actually, that would just be because Congress hasn't shown any probable cause.

You get that probable cause is a fairly big deal in the law, right?

Please disabuse yourself of the notion that because YOU are a gullible, ass-snuggling drone of others, that must mean everyone else is as well. SOME of us are capable of thinking independently and figuring things out without being told what to believe.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If there were "probable cause that Trump committed obstruction", Mueller would have recommended indictment

Why can;t you get it through your fucked up head that Mueller COULD NOT indict AND he DID list TEN instances where Trump could be indicted either after he leaves office or impeached by the WHOLE congress.

he DID list TEN instances where Trump could be indicted either after he leaves office or impeached by the WHOLE congress

Liar.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

in Teapot Dome, Congress had actual evidence that a crime - bribery - had been committed BEFORE they went looking for evidence. In other words, they had that little thing called "probable cause". In THIS case, Congress is demanding the records in order to (hopefully) FIND probable cause in the first place. Very different scenario.

You learned your "law" from the back of your cereal box; proving that you are a fucking idiot.

"Probable cause" CLEARLY rests in the fact that Trump has NOT divest himself from the hotel in DC where he is breaching the emolument clause.

"Probable cause" is also part of the congressional functions to OVERSEE the executive branch as part of Article I.

Finally, congress has every right to demand from the IRS is the orange piece of lard has told the truth that his tax returns are STILL "under audit" for each of the years that the tax returns were requested.

"Probable cause" CLEARLY rests in the fact that Trump has NOT divest himself from the hotel in DC where he is breaching the emolument clause.

His tax returns would shed what light on this claim? Be specific.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There’s a big pile of shit that stinks to high heaven. Republicans know it’s there because they can smell it too but are desperately trying to ignore it.

But... wow does that big plie of Orange shit stink and nothing anyone can do can make the stench go away. Well actually maybe s few people. This shit show needs to end.

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

 

[RealDave]

The IRS has determined the demands for Trump's returns are political theater and not legit.
Years of court battles to follow.

Treasury Department rejects Democrats' request for Trump tax returns

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

Or so you need to believe.

Petulant Democrat curiosity is not a valid reason to pierce any Americans' privacy but you can hang on the the very slim hope the unhinged crybabies will win in court ... someday.

Suspicion of criminal activity and treason sure are

What "criminal activity?"

Fraud.

 

[RealDave]

There’s a big pile of shit that stinks to high heaven. Republicans know it’s there because they can smell it too but are desperately trying to ignore it.

But... wow does that big plie of Orange shit stink and nothing anyone can do can make the stench go away. Well actually maybe s few people. This shit show needs to end.

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

View attachment 259845

Congress is using a subpoena.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There’s a big pile of shit that stinks to high heaven. Republicans know it’s there because they can smell it too but are desperately trying to ignore it.

But... wow does that big plie of Orange shit stink and nothing anyone can do can make the stench go away. Well actually maybe s few people. This shit show needs to end.

"There's a big pile of shit! We haven't been able to prove it, but we JUST KNOW, and that gives us the right to keep fishing around until we find something we can claim is a pile of shit!"

What actual evidence do you have of this alleged "big pile of shit", other than the fact that he had the gall to become President when you didn't want him to? You do realize that beating you in an election isn't actually a crime, right?

You want to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself in this little foray into taxes, tell us the probable cause.

Where in the Constitution that you Repukes claim to love so much does it say Congress needs probable cause to look at someone's tax return? Let's have it, Einstein.

View attachment 259845

Congress is using a subpoena.

Why? Don't they have toilet paper?

 

[RealDave]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

 

[RealDave]

Do YOU think the American people are stupid enough to think you know more about taxes than the IRS does?

YES............Nixon was "cleared" of his tax return audit ....but when congress requested a review of that audit.......the IRS found it had made a :mistake: and that Nixon actually OWED more than half a million dollars.

So, YES...........the IRS makes lots of mistakes.

One of the mistakes that the IRS rarely makes is to turn over tax return information to a bunch of partisan zealots that will leak cherry picked portions of the return to the public.

Congress is doing their job.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump has to shroud himself in secrecy or go to prison.

What secret in his tax returns would result in jail time?

Inflating his assets to secure bank loans.

What tax form are assets, or inflated assets, listed on?

sales of assets.

State or local real estate taxes.

When you list your income as one thing on the tax return & you list it differently on that ban loan application. Both needed signing. This is a known Trump tactic.

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

sales of assets.

You need tax returns to see asset sales?

The State opf NY will explain it to you when they nail trump on tax evasion.

You should hold you breath until they do. It'll happen faster.