Trump: 14th Amendment is Unconstitutional

[NYcarbineer]

Trump was on Bill O'Reilly's show recently.

O'Reilly misquoted the 14th amendment, leaving out a significant part of it relevant to this issue, and insisted that it said simply that anybody born in the United States is a citizen, period. Knowing that wasn't so, Trump said that what O'Reilly had said "was unconstitutional". And the author of the article below, ignored the rest of the amendment's statement, and jumped to the conclusion that Trump was referring to the 14th amendment itself as "unconstitutional".

Here's the relevant part of the 14th amendment. I bolded the part O'Reilly and the author left out:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Illegal aliens' kids born on this side of the border, aren't subject to the United States' jurisdiction, since their parents are here illegally. So they are not U.S. citizens, according to the Constitution.

If the Swedish ambassador and his wife go to a hospital in Washington and have a baby, that baby IS a U.S. citizen (and might be a dual citizen, US and Sweden), since their parents were here legally. Ditto for the ambassador from Kenya or England or Mexico or Russia.

Trump didn't say the 14th amendment is unconstitutional. He never mentioned the 14th amendment at all. He said O'Reilly's interpretation of it was unconstitutional. In fact, Trump is right: O'Reilly's interpretation doesn't agree with what the Constitution (specifically the 14th amendment) actually says.

But the author, and O'Reilly, ignored this in yelling about a supposed goof by Trump... when in fact they were the ones making the mistake.

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Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional

"Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional"

Dylan Stableford
‎August‎ ‎19‎, ‎2015

Donald Trump is defending his controversial immigration plan, telling Fox News’ Bill O'Reilly that the 14th Amendment — which guarantees citizenship to all people “born or naturalized in the United States,” including children whose parents came to the country illegally — is unconstitutional.

“It’s not going to hold up in court,” Trump said on The Factor Tuesday.

On Sunday, the Republican frontrunner released his formal plan for immigration reform, calling for a wall across the southern border to be paid for by Mexico, the defunding of so-called sanctuary cities and the “mandatory return of all criminal aliens” to their home countries — including so-called birthright citizens protected by the 14th Amendment.

“We’re going to keep the families together, but they have to go,“ Trump said on NBC’s Meet the Press.

The Court ruled in favor of birthright citizenship in 1898:

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

That Time the Supreme Court Said the Constitution Definitely Protects Birthright Citizenship

 

[candycorn]

Yeah I couldnt make this up if I tried. This is a "gutcheck" post. If you try to defend Trump's statement it is proof positive you are a complete moron and abject ignoramus. I dont care what your political leanings.
Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional

Jackson Care to comment on what your latest idol said?

For much of the country's history, voluntary acquisition or exercise of a foreign citizenship was considered sufficient cause for revocation of national citizenship.[60] This concept was enshrined in a series of treaties between the United States and other countries (the Bancroft Treaties). However, the Supreme Court repudiated this concept in Afroyim v. Rusk (1967),[61] as well as Vance v. Terrazas (1980),[62] holding that the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment barred the Congress from revoking citizenship. However, Congress can revoke citizenship that it had previously granted to a person not born in the United States.[63]

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Damn. Let me ask you...did that sound as lame in your head before you cut and pasted it as it reads above.

So now,
In addition to,
12 million apprehensions
12 million immigration hearings
12 million breakfasts
12 million lunches
12 million dinners (each hearing would take a day---if they happen to get a hearing on the same day they were apprehended which has never happened)
12 million more hearings for judges,
12 million more hearings for INS attorneys to worry about
12 million bus tickets back to Reynosa
and 12 million possibilities that you may have wrongful apprehension suits, police brutality suits, identification hearings, etc....

We get to add 3-4 million acts of congress to strip away the citizenship of 5 year old children.

Ya know, about 70 days ago, if I were to suggest that we spend $12,000,000 more dollars on INS, you probably would have balked at it. I do know that last week, when Ms. Clinton proposed her $350B college plan to educate Americans, you said it was too costly. But I guess you can't put a price tag on your racism, can you?

Thank you for replying. If congress can revoke the citizenship of anyone, they can revoke the citizenship of all foreign children born in the US with just one act.

They are not foreign children if they are born in the US. But I'm sure as long as you're deporting people whom you don't like (i.e. non whites) that detail won't matter.

Just one year of expenditures of illegals costs 1 billion dollars.

Huh?

Camilies can be handles in just one hearing. Bam! 14 gone in one setting.lol

Is "camilie" a unit of measure only known to skinheads and klansmen?

I'll pay for their bus back. Many more would probably do so. too.

You're obviously intoxicated or just got through snorting next month's rent.

 

[Preacher]

“It’s not going to hold up in court,” Trump said on The Factor Tuesday."

How much longer must we suffer this circus sideshow? It's becoming farce.

That would sum up politics the last 150 years.

 

[Preacher]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

 

[Preacher]

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

 

[candycorn]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

 

[Preacher]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

 

[OKTexas]

It all depends on how the court defines a word. And that word is
ju·ris·dic·tion
ˌjo͝orəsˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 
   
   
   • the official power to make legal decisions and judgments.
     "federal courts had no jurisdiction over the case"
     synonyms: authority, control, power, dominion, rule, administration, command, sway,leadership, sovereignty, hegemony
     "an area under French jurisdiction"
     • the extent of the power to make legal decisions and judgments.
       "the claim will be within the jurisdiction of the industrial tribunal"
     • a system of law courts; a judicature.
       plural noun: jurisdictions
       "in some jurisdictions there is a mandatory death sentence for murder"
   • So now is it the land you are standing on OR the country you are sworn to?

You might want to read what the writers of the 14th Amendment had to say on the subject and how they defined jurisdiction.

Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States. In 1857, theDred Scott v. Sanford decision had held that no black of African descent (even a freed black) could be a citizen of the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment was thus necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves. The Fourteenth Amendment made United States citizenship primary and state citizenship derivative. The primacy of federal citizenship made it impossible for states to prevent former slaves from becoming United States citizens by withholding state citizenship. States could no longer prevent any black from United States citizenship or from state citizenship either.

The Civil Rights Act of 1866 had previously asserted that "All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States." The immediate impetus for the Fourteenth Amendment was to constitutionalize and validate the Civil Rights Act because some had questioned whether the Thirteenth Amendment was a sufficient basis for its constitutionality. A constitutional amendment would also have the advantage of preventing a later unfriendly Congress from repealing it.

One conspicuous departure from the language of the Civil Rights Act was the elimination of the phrase "Indians not taxed." Senator Jacob Howard of Ohio, the author of the Citizenship Clause, defended the new language against the charge that it would make Indians citizens of the United States. Howard assured skeptics that "Indians born within the limits of the United States, and who maintain their tribal relations, are not, in the sense of this amendment, born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported Howard, contending that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant "not owing allegiance to anybody else...subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States." Indians, he concluded, were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States because they owed allegiance—even if only partial allegiance—to their tribes. Thus, two requirements were set for United States citizenship: born or naturalized in the United States andsubject to its jurisdiction.

By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States, as the case of the Indians indicated, did not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. And "jurisdiction" did not mean simply subject to the laws of the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of its courts. Rather, "jurisdiction" meant exclusive "allegiance" to the United States. Not all who were subject to the laws owed allegiance to the United States. As Senator Howard remarked, the requirement of "jurisdiction," understood in the sense of "allegiance," "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States."

Guide to the Constitution

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You might want to read what the writers of the 14th Amendment had to say on the subject and how they defined jurisdiction.

And you might want to read what the Supreme Court has to say, since they are the only ones who matter...

 

[candycorn]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The constitution is on my side in this (and all) matters. Good luck with Trump as your new idol.

 

[Rotagilla]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

"We"?...silly, effiminate beta male...you didn't do anything.

 

[Rotagilla]

You might want to read what the writers of the 14th Amendment had to say on the subject and how they defined jurisdiction.

And you might want to read what the Supreme Court has to say, since they are the only ones who matter...

for now...

 

[OKTexas]

You might want to read what the writers of the 14th Amendment had to say on the subject and how they defined jurisdiction.

And you might want to read what the Supreme Court has to say, since they are the only ones who matter...

Fuck the supreme court, they got ANOTHER one wrong, paint me freaking amazed. The 14th was written to invalidate another supreme court decision that they also got WRONG.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

"We"?...silly, effiminate beta male...you didn't do anything.

We = liberals, northerners, winners, the moral ones, not disloyal assholes who got their asses kicked and still cry like fucking babies about it to this very day...

 

[Preacher]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

Yawn. Wrong as usual OH and not only did the no southern state ratify it 6 other yankee states did not either.

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The constitution is on my side in this (and all) matters. Good luck with Trump as your new idol.

Really? when did the constitution change to not needing 3/4ths of the states to ratify an amendment? I missed that one

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You might want to read what the writers of the 14th Amendment had to say on the subject and how they defined jurisdiction.

And you might want to read what the Supreme Court has to say, since they are the only ones who matter...

for now...

Do tell, of your fantasy that the South rises and Whitey rules by chains, whips, and the hangman's noose once again?

 

[Preacher]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

"We"?...silly, effiminate beta male...you didn't do anything.

We = liberals, northerners, winners, the moral ones, not disloyal assholes who got their asses kicked and still cry like fucking babies about it to this very day...

^ retard still doesn't comprehend you can't be loyal to a nation you aren't a citizen of,also doesn't realize even yankees commented on CSA armies being best fighting men ever. Just ignore this fool. Most do.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

Yawn. Wrong as usual OH and not only did the no southern state ratify it 6 other yankee states did not either.

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The constitution is on my side in this (and all) matters. Good luck with Trump as your new idol.

Really? when did the constitution change to not needing 3/4ths of the states to ratify an amendment? I missed that one

You lost, and the ******* won. Start dealing with it, 150 years later...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Looks official to me <sarcasm>.

You are going to believe what you want. Like all libtards. As ANYONE should know amendments to the constitution must be ratified by 3/4ths of the states. that never happened

The states were quite a bit smaller then as we were still trying to figure out what to do with the defeated asswipes of the South, who had no say in that matter or any other since they surrendered...

"We"?...silly, effiminate beta male...you didn't do anything.

We = liberals, northerners, winners, the moral ones, not disloyal assholes who got their asses kicked and still cry like fucking babies about it to this very day...

^ retard still doesn't comprehend you can't be loyal to a nation you aren't a citizen of,also doesn't realize even yankees commented on CSA armies being best fighting men ever. Just ignore this fool. Most do.

Good soldiers laying down like pussies? Pass on that.