Trump as healer: lie of 2016

[JakeStarkey]

I am sorry but if blacks can't see their large criminal ailment for a huge part of the problem then their will never be healing. That is a fact. We could disarm the police and that would only cause the black community to be ruled by gangs of thugs. I don't think the rest of this country would want that.

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Actually that was done to the KKK in the later sixties with great effect.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I am sorry but if blacks can't see their large criminal ailment for a huge part of the problem then their will never be healing. That is a fact. We could disarm the police and that would only cause the black community to be ruled by gangs of thugs. I don't think the rest of this country would want that.

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Actually that was done to the KKK in the later sixties with great effect.

Needs to be done with BLM and the black panthers.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am sorry but if blacks can't see their large criminal ailment for a huge part of the problem then their will never be healing. That is a fact. We could disarm the police and that would only cause the black community to be ruled by gangs of thugs. I don't think the rest of this country would want that.

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Actually that was done to the KKK in the later sixties with great effect.

Needs to be done with BLM and the black panthers.

And probably to the far right militia.

 

[deltex1]

Obama ended Trump's run in 2016. The black man dissed the white man. Obama is simply waiting for after the convention, and the BHO will destroy Trump in August.

Which is more obvious to the person whose head is not up their ass? Obama as failure...or Trump as failure.

 

[bendog]

How do you even start to heal something that one party(the black community) completely over looks themselves as part of the problem and doesn't wish to fix a huge part of the problem? It is always white people!!!! Well, I'll admit their could be some racist cops but who's causing the crimes that bring them?

But you are lumping all blacks into one "party." Roughly 1/3 of black households are solid middle class or more. Nearly another 1/3 earn 25-50K, and a good number of them must be single parent households. Most black people are honest citizens (unless they're Kenyan Muslim Socialist Athiests like Obama). So when some ahole like Guliani makes some comparison to what is happening in places like SS Chi and black people being disproportionally stopped for investigation, he's simply pulling a pea under the shell con to distract from one issue.

 

[Pogo]

I am sorry but if blacks can't see their large criminal ailment for a huge part of the problem then their will never be healing. That is a fact. We could disarm the police and that would only cause the black community to be ruled by gangs of thugs. I don't think the rest of this country would want that.

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

No no, I'm talking about vigilantes, not politicians.

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." << --- Elaine Franz Parsons, Ku-Klux The Birth of the Klan during Reconstruction
​

The two posters were advocating vigilantism. That's exactly what the Klan did.

Get it now? Or does this post somehow convey the idea of "George H. W. Bush killing Kennedy"?

 

[HenryBHough]

Jesus Christ. You really can find a picture for anything on the internet.

Could you clarify a bit? That first sentence, seeming to address him, is only intensifying Jammie-boi's delusion-of-deity.

 

[buckeye45_73]

He can do no worse than obummer. Easily the most divisive leader in our history.

Another bright light whose grasp of "history" goes back ... almost eight whole years.

My grasp of history is greater than you will ever know or understand as evidenced by how ignorant you are, and have been shown to be, of history. obummer has done more harm to race relations than any POTUS in the last 50 years.

Ah, now we shorten up from "in our history" to "the last 50 years". Apparently someone told you about Vietnam. Or the civil rights riots. Or the rampant lynchings of the late 19th-early 20th century. Or the Civil War. Or the prehistory thereof. Oopsie.

You keep working at it. There's a fuck of a lot more out there.

50 years ago was 1966 you nit wit.

Nam was in full swing, JFK has already been killed and just two years before MLK killed

No shit Sherlock. That's the point.
Did Mal-Wart run a sale on illiteracy or what?

And you could throw in RFK and Fred Hampton, and the riots following the MLK killing, the Orangeburg Masssacre, Kent State, deep divisions over aforementioned Vietnam, etc etc etc.... and that's just one of the eras I mentioned. Then you could go to Tulsa and the Red Summer of 1919. Or back to Bloody Monday, the whole anti-Catholic rants of the Know Nothings, poignantly relevant to this election cycle. Or the whole anti-immigration period of WWI and the second Klan, with the everyday lynchings and body-part souvenirs thereof in that period.

ALL of those easily outpace the idea of "O'bama is the most divisive leader in our history", an absurd hyperventilation with the likes of Johnson, Nixon and Wilson sitting there. And then we could go on and note that the POTUS responsible for the largest mass demonstration protests in the history of the world was George W. Bush...

I'm pretty sure it was implied leader=president.

 

[S.J.]

I am sorry but if blacks can't see their large criminal ailment for a huge part of the problem then their will never be healing. That is a fact. We could disarm the police and that would only cause the black community to be ruled by gangs of thugs. I don't think the rest of this country would want that.

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

No no, I'm talking about vigilantes, not politicians.

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." << --- Elaine Franz Parsons, Ku-Klux The Birth of the Klan during Reconstruction
​

The two posters were advocating vigilantism. That's exactly what the Klan did.

Get it now? Or does this post somehow convey the idea of "George H. W. Bush killing Kennedy"?

Nice try at rewriting history but the Klan was the sole creation of Democrats who wanted Republicans out of office and my link proves it. And George H.W. Bush didn't kill Kennedy, despite what you tried to imply in this post. You must be a glutton for punishment for continuing to bring it up, idiot.
Why did Jimmy Carter accomplish so little during his 4 years as president?

 

[Pogo]

I am sorry but if blacks can't see their large criminal ailment for a huge part of the problem then their will never be healing. That is a fact. We could disarm the police and that would only cause the black community to be ruled by gangs of thugs. I don't think the rest of this country would want that.

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

No no, I'm talking about vigilantes, not politicians.

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." << --- Elaine Franz Parsons, Ku-Klux The Birth of the Klan during Reconstruction
​

The two posters were advocating vigilantism. That's exactly what the Klan did.

Get it now? Or does this post somehow convey the idea of "George H. W. Bush killing Kennedy"?

Nice try at rewriting history but the Klan was the sole creation of Democrats who wanted Republicans out of office and my link proves it. And George H.W. Bush didn't kill Kennedy, despite what you tried to imply in this post. You must be a glutton for punishment for continuing to bring it up, idiot.
Why did Jimmy Carter accomplish so little during his 4 years as president?

Actually not only does your own link contradict that but -------- we just did this recently, I spanked you with your own link (this same one) and here you come running the same game again expecting different results

Roll tape.

>> A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866. <<​

1865 actually, but there was only a week left in the year. And it wasn't really "many", it was six, and I have all their names, and I've gone over this over and over. Soldiers, not politicians; nobody had any known political affiliation; and the South was disenfranchised anyway so what would have been the point? "Wanted Republicans out of office"? In 1865 there weren't any Republicans in office in the South.

I see we're walking the whole GW Bush thing back to "imply" now. Good, good. Let the shame flow through you. Learning to read is so fun. You'll be glad you did, trust me.

 

[S.J.]

You may be correct. Eventually, in some of the communities, I think the cops and authorities will turn their backs and the lawabiding decent minorities have a "purge night" on the baddies. Maybe invite their white friends to come celebrate.

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

No no, I'm talking about vigilantes, not politicians.

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." << --- Elaine Franz Parsons, Ku-Klux The Birth of the Klan during Reconstruction
​

The two posters were advocating vigilantism. That's exactly what the Klan did.

Get it now? Or does this post somehow convey the idea of "George H. W. Bush killing Kennedy"?

Nice try at rewriting history but the Klan was the sole creation of Democrats who wanted Republicans out of office and my link proves it. And George H.W. Bush didn't kill Kennedy, despite what you tried to imply in this post. You must be a glutton for punishment for continuing to bring it up, idiot.
Why did Jimmy Carter accomplish so little during his 4 years as president?

Actually not only does your own link contradict that but -------- we just did this recently, I spanked you with your own link (this same one) and here you come running the same game again expecting different results

Roll tape.

>> A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866. <<​

1865 actually, but there was only a week left in the year. And it wasn't really "many", it was six, and I have all their names, and I've gone over this over and over. Soldiers, not politicians; nobody had any known political affiliation; and the South was disenfranchised anyway so what would have been the point? "Wanted Republicans out of office"? In 1865 there weren't any Republicans in office in the South.

I see we're walking the whole GW Bush thing back to "imply" now. Good, good. Let the shame flow through you. Learning to read is so fun. You'll be glad you did, trust me.

I see you're still in denial. You gonna try to say Jim Crow laws weren't all passed by Democrats too? Go ahead, I could use a good laugh from my favorite USMB clown. Then you can explain Bush's involvement in the JFK assassination.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Seems to me some tried that a while back. What was it called --- Ku Klux something or other....

Yeah, Democrats tried that a while back. I thought you already knew that.
Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

No no, I'm talking about vigilantes, not politicians.

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." << --- Elaine Franz Parsons, Ku-Klux The Birth of the Klan during Reconstruction
​

The two posters were advocating vigilantism. That's exactly what the Klan did.

Get it now? Or does this post somehow convey the idea of "George H. W. Bush killing Kennedy"?

Nice try at rewriting history but the Klan was the sole creation of Democrats who wanted Republicans out of office and my link proves it. And George H.W. Bush didn't kill Kennedy, despite what you tried to imply in this post. You must be a glutton for punishment for continuing to bring it up, idiot.
Why did Jimmy Carter accomplish so little during his 4 years as president?

Actually not only does your own link contradict that but -------- we just did this recently, I spanked you with your own link (this same one) and here you come running the same game again expecting different results

Roll tape.

>> A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866. <<​

1865 actually, but there was only a week left in the year. And it wasn't really "many", it was six, and I have all their names, and I've gone over this over and over. Soldiers, not politicians; nobody had any known political affiliation; and the South was disenfranchised anyway so what would have been the point? "Wanted Republicans out of office"? In 1865 there weren't any Republicans in office in the South.

I see we're walking the whole GW Bush thing back to "imply" now. Good, good. Let the shame flow through you. Learning to read is so fun. You'll be glad you did, trust me.

I see you're still in denial. You gonna try to say Jim Crow laws weren't all passed by Democrats too? Go ahead, I could use a good laugh from my favorite USMB clown. Then you can explain Bush's involvement in the JFK assassination.

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

But to people like that, they try to say conservatives are racist and always have, I've debunked the southern strategy many times.

So my question is if conservatives were the racists, and they came to the republican party in the late 60s/early 70s (they didn't, but I humor the left), then tell me when the last time the democrat candidate was more conservative than the republican?

 

[jasonnfree]

All this talk about Trump and his supporters being racist. Nothing but accusations . There is evidence of the anti Trumpers being the most violent though. We'll soon see how violent hillary supporters act during the Republican convention in Cleveland. Why not, their candidate breaks the law and gets away with it, right?

 

[Pogo]

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

Nope, Forrest wasn't even there. It was founded by Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed and Frank O. McCord, six Confederate War vets, in a law office in Pulaski, Christmas Eve 1865. Once various regional groups started using the motif they got together in Nashville and elected Forrest to be the figurehead --- and he wasn't at that meeting either. Eventually he took the position, this would be Spring of 1867, and by January 1869, you are correct about this part, he issued his one and only general order disbanding the organization and ordering the various robes and hoods to be destroyed.

The actual membership of course ignored that order and ran amok until they were suppressed by Grant's federal government a few years later.

That was it until William "Colonel Joe" Simmons rekindled the Klan in 1915 on Stone Mountain, which would with the aid of a PR firm grow to be many many times bigger and more influential than the original although it didn't last long either.

But neither Simmons, nor Crowe, Kennedy, Lester, Jones, McCord or Reed had any known political affiliation. That wasn't really the point.

Go ahead --- find proof to the contrary.

You musta just fell off the turnip truck if you think this is my first round on this particular story, son.

 

[buckeye45_73]

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

Nope, Forrest wasn't even there. It was founded by Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed and Frank O. McCord, six Confederate War vets, in a law office in Pulaski, Christmas Eve 1865. Once various regional groups started using the motif they got together in Nashville and elected Forrest to be the figurehead --- and he wasn't at that meeting either. Eventually he took the position, this would be Spring of 1867, and by January 1869, you are correct about this part, he issued his one and only general order disbanding the organization and ordering the various robes and hoods to be destroyed.

The actual membership of course ignored that order and ran amok until they were suppressed by Grant's federal government a few years later.

That was it until William "Colonel Joe" Simmons rekindled the Klan in 1915 on Stone Mountain, which would with the aid of a PR firm grow to be many many times bigger and more influential than the original although it didn't last long either.

But neither Simmons, nor Crowe, Kennedy, Lester, Jones, McCord or Reed had any known political affiliation. That wasn't really the point.

Go ahead --- find proof to the contrary.

You musta just fell off the turnip truck if you think this is my first round on this particular story, son.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forrest was an early member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Historian and Forrest biographer Brian Steel Wills writes, "While there is no doubt that Forrest joined the Klan, there is some question as to whether he actually was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1869, Forrest distanced himself from the Klan, when it got ugly, hoping to dissolve this incarnation of the KKK as a way of placating Republicans he needed for his new railroad ventures.[59]

I know this because we had a park named for him in Memphis, they changed it. Not my first rodeo either.

 

[Pogo]

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

Nope, Forrest wasn't even there. It was founded by Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed and Frank O. McCord, six Confederate War vets, in a law office in Pulaski, Christmas Eve 1865. Once various regional groups started using the motif they got together in Nashville and elected Forrest to be the figurehead --- and he wasn't at that meeting either. Eventually he took the position, this would be Spring of 1867, and by January 1869, you are correct about this part, he issued his one and only general order disbanding the organization and ordering the various robes and hoods to be destroyed.

The actual membership of course ignored that order and ran amok until they were suppressed by Grant's federal government a few years later.

That was it until William "Colonel Joe" Simmons rekindled the Klan in 1915 on Stone Mountain, which would with the aid of a PR firm grow to be many many times bigger and more influential than the original although it didn't last long either.

But neither Simmons, nor Crowe, Kennedy, Lester, Jones, McCord or Reed had any known political affiliation. That wasn't really the point.

Go ahead --- find proof to the contrary.

You musta just fell off the turnip truck if you think this is my first round on this particular story, son.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forrest was an early member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Historian and Forrest biographer Brian Steel Wills writes, "While there is no doubt that Forrest joined the Klan, there is some question as to whether he actually was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1869, Forrest distanced himself from the Klan, when it got ugly, hoping to dissolve this incarnation of the KKK as a way of placating Republicans he needed for his new railroad ventures.[59]

I know this because we had a park named for him in Memphis, they changed it. Not my first rodeo either.

Correct, but you're walking back your previous post where you said he founded it. He didn't.

You're welcome.

 

[buckeye45_73]

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

Nope, Forrest wasn't even there. It was founded by Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed and Frank O. McCord, six Confederate War vets, in a law office in Pulaski, Christmas Eve 1865. Once various regional groups started using the motif they got together in Nashville and elected Forrest to be the figurehead --- and he wasn't at that meeting either. Eventually he took the position, this would be Spring of 1867, and by January 1869, you are correct about this part, he issued his one and only general order disbanding the organization and ordering the various robes and hoods to be destroyed.

The actual membership of course ignored that order and ran amok until they were suppressed by Grant's federal government a few years later.

That was it until William "Colonel Joe" Simmons rekindled the Klan in 1915 on Stone Mountain, which would with the aid of a PR firm grow to be many many times bigger and more influential than the original although it didn't last long either.

But neither Simmons, nor Crowe, Kennedy, Lester, Jones, McCord or Reed had any known political affiliation. That wasn't really the point.

Go ahead --- find proof to the contrary.

You musta just fell off the turnip truck if you think this is my first round on this particular story, son.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forrest was an early member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Historian and Forrest biographer Brian Steel Wills writes, "While there is no doubt that Forrest joined the Klan, there is some question as to whether he actually was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1869, Forrest distanced himself from the Klan, when it got ugly, hoping to dissolve this incarnation of the KKK as a way of placating Republicans he needed for his new railroad ventures.[59]

I know this because we had a park named for him in Memphis, they changed it. Not my first rodeo either.

Correct, but you're walking back your previous post where you said he founded it. He didn't.

You're welcome.

Ok, one small detail, not founded but early joiner, he got in on the ground floor. And he was kind of a big shot, possibly the big kahuna.

 

[Pogo]

The rest of this post really didn't follow, it's a separate issue altogether but....

But to people like that, they try to say conservatives are racist and always have, I've debunked the southern strategy many times.

So my question is if conservatives were the racists, and they came to the republican party in the late 60s/early 70s (they didn't, but I humor the left), then tell me when the last time the democrat candidate was more conservative than the republican?

--- at the risk of self-indulgence I'll repost one from recently that is more or less on this tangent:

--- the Republicans of 1860 weren't the Democrats obviously, but they were (a) the Liberals, considerably to the left of Democrats, and (b) the party of activist central government, a legacy of the Whigs that populated them (Lincoln for one) while the Democrats were the Conservatives and the party of "states rights" or "smaller government".

Obviously that's not where we are today, but that didn't shift in 1964. It shifted as the 19th century became the 20th, when the RP gradually abandoned its Liberalism and took on the interests of corporations and the wealthy, and the DP absorbed the Populist movement, culminating in FDR, which is exactly where the black population started voting Democratic and has been ever since. If there's a magnetic reversal of the parties, that's where it is, and deserves to be observed as such.

Now 1964 was simply the final straw in that North-South conflict that aforementioned magnetic pole reversal created and exacerbated; while the DP had moved significantly to the left in the '30s, it still had the bipolar problem of the conservative South hanging on, who hated "Liberals" but hated even more the idea of having anything to do with the "party of Lincoln" that had vanquished and humiliated them (and the only reason they were hanging on), so they teetered in an uneasy alliance often broken by the aforementioned split in 1948 (and a less dramatic breakdown in 1924), and of course George Wallace's endless ranting against "liberals", even putting off a similar run in 1964 at the request of Barry Goldwater, which would have taken all the support Goldwater had (and then offered to be Goldwater's running mate).

So these opposing forces had always been there unresolved, and stayed unresolved until LBJ dispensed with the jellyfish-think and signed the CRA. This prompted Strom Thurmond to do what was for exactly 99 years unthinkable, and become a Republican, far more in line with the South's conservative values anyway. In effect it was simple traditional spite that had kept them hanging on some thirty years to a party that was increasingly foreign to their perceived interests.

Thurmond's move, sudden as it was, was not without a prior indicator --- he had dipped a toe in the water in 1952 when he endorsed Eisenhower, and in retaliation the Democratic Party kicked him off the ballot -- he had to run in his next re-election as a write-in (which he won) --- which is yet one more indication that, even if it was unthinkable to be a Republican, it was more important to be a Son of the South than to be a Democrat.

Sorry but it's never easy to recount this in a quick sound bite. Can't be done.

I'm not sure it's possible to articulate how strongly this emotional tide, the one against "the party of Lincoln", the North in general, and "liberals" --- held on in the South. I saw it in my own lifetime, in no uncertain terms, not so much in my Southern relatives (they were after all relatives) but absolutely in the population surrounding them. When I was little I seriously wondered if we would get shot for being "yankees". The tension was so thick you could have cut it with a knife. And this is nearly a century after the Civil War, which was still even then a topic of everyday conversation.

That's no longer the case today but the significance of the positions Johnson and Thurmond took in 1964 as a cultural purge, aside from the superficially political, probably cannot be overemphasized.

​

(/offtopic)

 

[Pogo]

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

Nope, Forrest wasn't even there. It was founded by Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed and Frank O. McCord, six Confederate War vets, in a law office in Pulaski, Christmas Eve 1865. Once various regional groups started using the motif they got together in Nashville and elected Forrest to be the figurehead --- and he wasn't at that meeting either. Eventually he took the position, this would be Spring of 1867, and by January 1869, you are correct about this part, he issued his one and only general order disbanding the organization and ordering the various robes and hoods to be destroyed.

The actual membership of course ignored that order and ran amok until they were suppressed by Grant's federal government a few years later.

That was it until William "Colonel Joe" Simmons rekindled the Klan in 1915 on Stone Mountain, which would with the aid of a PR firm grow to be many many times bigger and more influential than the original although it didn't last long either.

But neither Simmons, nor Crowe, Kennedy, Lester, Jones, McCord or Reed had any known political affiliation. That wasn't really the point.

Go ahead --- find proof to the contrary.

You musta just fell off the turnip truck if you think this is my first round on this particular story, son.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forrest was an early member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Historian and Forrest biographer Brian Steel Wills writes, "While there is no doubt that Forrest joined the Klan, there is some question as to whether he actually was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1869, Forrest distanced himself from the Klan, when it got ugly, hoping to dissolve this incarnation of the KKK as a way of placating Republicans he needed for his new railroad ventures.[59]

I know this because we had a park named for him in Memphis, they changed it. Not my first rodeo either.

Correct, but you're walking back your previous post where you said he founded it. He didn't.

You're welcome.

Ok, one small detail, not founded but early joiner, he got in on the ground floor. And he was kind of a big shot, possibly the big kahuna.

He had name recognition from the War, which is why they recruited him -- so they could sound legitimate... kind of clean up their image and be taken more seriously.

 

[buckeye45_73]

He doesn't know shit. I live in Memphis, the KKK Was originally formed to fight off the Yankees and was founded by Nathan Bedford Forest, it became a hate group and he bounced.

Nope, Forrest wasn't even there. It was founded by Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed and Frank O. McCord, six Confederate War vets, in a law office in Pulaski, Christmas Eve 1865. Once various regional groups started using the motif they got together in Nashville and elected Forrest to be the figurehead --- and he wasn't at that meeting either. Eventually he took the position, this would be Spring of 1867, and by January 1869, you are correct about this part, he issued his one and only general order disbanding the organization and ordering the various robes and hoods to be destroyed.

The actual membership of course ignored that order and ran amok until they were suppressed by Grant's federal government a few years later.

That was it until William "Colonel Joe" Simmons rekindled the Klan in 1915 on Stone Mountain, which would with the aid of a PR firm grow to be many many times bigger and more influential than the original although it didn't last long either.

But neither Simmons, nor Crowe, Kennedy, Lester, Jones, McCord or Reed had any known political affiliation. That wasn't really the point.

Go ahead --- find proof to the contrary.

You musta just fell off the turnip truck if you think this is my first round on this particular story, son.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forrest was an early member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Historian and Forrest biographer Brian Steel Wills writes, "While there is no doubt that Forrest joined the Klan, there is some question as to whether he actually was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1869, Forrest distanced himself from the Klan, when it got ugly, hoping to dissolve this incarnation of the KKK as a way of placating Republicans he needed for his new railroad ventures.[59]

I know this because we had a park named for him in Memphis, they changed it. Not my first rodeo either.

Correct, but you're walking back your previous post where you said he founded it. He didn't.

You're welcome.

Ok, one small detail, not founded but early joiner, he got in on the ground floor. And he was kind of a big shot, possibly the big kahuna.

Even the Huffington Post backs me up...Shit...They say he founded it, minor detail.....but I love arguing with lefties, not hard to do.

General Nathan Bedford Forrest Versus the Ku Klux Klan