Trump: California Causes Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific (and other crazy things)

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Yes I'm serious, Brown begs to get free money from the feds they have to oblige, rural area go up in flames, some houses get burnt to shit, lands get wiped out, people get killed, of die in fires, but the saving grace is Brown gets money, to fund California BS.
2. I think I'm right my sources say so, but I'm not able to reveal who they are.
3. So they must remain secret.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[BertramN]

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So, you got anything to show that he is wrong? Or is that just something you assume and expect others to blindly agree like mindless and ignorant sheep?

You must be as stupid as the idiot trump not to understand that all rainfall in California goes into the Pacific Ocean. It's the natural flow of water in that state.

Just because the idiot trump's mindless minions have zero consideration for the environment does not mean others will fall into line behind their ignorant and destructive policies.

The echoing of the idiot trump's stupidity by his mindless minions speaks volumes in explaining their own stupidity.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I don't know about diverting water, but thanks to to enviromental extremeists, there is an over abundance of fuel in California forests.
We have to get back into clearing out underbrush, and thinning. Otherwise, this is going to be repeated over and over.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

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So, you got anything to show that he is wrong? Or is that just something you assume and expect others to blindly agree like mindless and ignorant sheep?

You must be as stupid as the idiot trump not to understand that all rainfall in California goes into the Pacific Ocean. It's the natural flow of water in that state.

Just because the idiot trump's mindless minions have zero consideration for the environment does not mean others will fall into line behind their ignorant and destructive policies.

The echoing of the idiot trump's stupidity by his mindless minions speaks volumes in explaining their own stupidity.

All rainfall goes into the Pacific Ocean. What about the catch basins and rain recovery systems?

 

[ErikViking]

Why does US insist of using Twitter to communicate it’s official stand point on every issue? Damn strange. And those tweets always needs interpretation because they are badly written and full of ambiguity.

 

[danielpalos]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

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As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

We need a State Corp of Engineers to engineer better State solutions at potentially lower cost!

 

[Darkwind]

So, California can't use its water to fight fires because of the Delta smelt and some kind of frog and I forget how many other species they have on their list which requires that no damns are built and water resources be allowed to flow freely into the Pacific.

Yeah, I'm not sure if the people in this thread are smart enough to question Trump on his statements.

 

[danielpalos]

A State Corp of Engineers could engineer, better aqueducts, better roads, and reclaim water, increase our watersheds, and create substations that can pump water was well.

 

[McRocket]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

 

[gipper]

...I thought everything Trump says is inaccurate.

So what's the dif?

 

[Uncensored2008]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

Trump is right, AP is lying.

Typical day.

 

[Uncensored2008]

...I thought everything Trump says is inaccurate.

So what's the dif?

AP is fucking lying.

Just as they always do.

California diverts about half of the water from the American and Sacramento Rivers into the Pacific out of a bizarre eco-terrorist water policy designed to promote the Ruling Oligarch vision of California free from industry and agriculture.

The AP lies are particularly laughable when they spew idiocy about the fires being "nowhere near the Pacific Ocean?" What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The fact is that California does NOT capture and store the water which flows from the Sierras.

The AP are just fucking liars - fake news.

 

[Seawytch]

Trump with his Fox filter got something wrong? Must be a day ending in a Y.

 

[Seawytch]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

 

[McRocket]

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized.

Which of course - as stated in the OP article, is total nonsense.

It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

Yeah Donnie. They are called 'rivers'...dumbass.


Damn...is this prick stupid.

And many Trumpbots think he is 'a genius'?

 

[idb]

You can't disagree with him about one thing though...if you chop down all the forests then you won't have forest fires.
It's logic you simply can't argue with.

 

[Rustic]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

 

[Norman]

Here is a word that I didn't see appear ONCE in Trump's tweet:

"Fire fighter"

The OP either is a liar or can't read. I am betting on both.

"TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday."

 

[J.E.D]

“I was going to kick your ass, but my mom is calling me.”



Anyway.....Bring it on, clown. This is an open forum. Come back after you’ve dug up some right-wing talking points

Fire breaks and ecological water use, are hardly right wing talking points, dumb ass.

Hey, dipshit, I think the fire fighters know when and where to clear forest to aid in their efforts. They dont need the Retard-in-Chief to tell them how to do their jobs.

YOu jumped on this because you were so ignorant you though what he said made no sense.


Now you are walking it back to, you think his advice was unnecessary.


You are not fooling anyone, lefty.

I’m not walking shit back.

Donald is a god damn idiot, and so are you.

You did not even know what a fire break was, in the op.

I know what a fire break is. But more importantly, fire fighters battling the fires in California know what a fire break is without that fat sack of shit in chief trying to tell them how to do their job.

Actually, I have a great idea. Fat body in chief should strap on some fire fighting gear and show them how it’s done

 

[frigidweirdo]

You can't disagree with him about one thing though...if you chop down all the forests then you won't have forest fires.
It's logic you simply can't argue with.

Yeah, let's kill all the humans and you won't have murders.