Trump: California Causes Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific (and other crazy things)

[tyroneweaver]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

ya why clearcut when you can burn it off
Environmental group sues California to halt logging

 

[Darkwind]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

A progressive state official disagrees with Trump.

Imagine that.

Then why don't you post links from unbiased sources that prove Trump's moronic post right?

Why would I do that? I only support Trump when he does something I agree with. In this case, he is both right and wrong. He is right in that California uses its water resources in as stupid a manner as any state, but that there is enough water to fight these fires. The real problem is wildland management. They are getting it wrong, again.

 

[Correll]

What do the California Fire Official have to say?
Fire officials to Trump: No, California didn’t worsen wildfires by dumping water into ocean
<Snip>
Peter Gleick, a hydrologist and founder of the Pacific Institute think tank, has been debunking the president’s claims with one blistering tweet after another:

Peter Gleick ✔ @PeterGleick

Oh, and one last thing. #Water in California rivers isn't being "diverted" into the Pacific. It all used to flow there. What little #cawater reaches the sea now is all that's left after farms and cities have diverted most of it out of rivers.
....

Well, THAT's a dishonest word game. It "USED TO" flow that way, until it was controlled by man.

And then, decades later, the environmentalists decided that policy needed to be changed.


Yes, you could say it was NO LONGER BEING DIVERTED TO MAN'S USE, and instead being allowed to flow "the way it used to."


OR, you could say that it was "diverted" from what had been it's use for decades, and was now being wasted by not being used.


Both are valid points of view.


What is NOT valid is pretending that what TRump said was crazy, because you like to think of it with a different perspective.

 

[McRocket]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


___

TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

A progressive state official disagrees with Trump.

Imagine that.

Then why don't you post links from unbiased sources that prove Trump's moronic post right?

Why would I do that? I only support Trump when he does something I agree with. In this case, he is both right and wrong. He is right in that California uses its water resources in as stupid a manner as any state, but that there is enough water to fight these fires. The real problem is wildland management. They are getting it wrong, again.

Fair enough.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Trump is right once again.
The Left Wing crackpots won't allow land owners to clear the underbrush that fuels the fires.

 

[danielpalos]

A State Corp of Engineers can engineer solutions to our problems; that is what corp commanders are for.

 

[eagle1462010]

A State Corp of Engineers can engineer solutions to our problems; that is what corp commanders are for.

Why haven't the dumb asses done it then. Start clearing the brush and build fire breaks.

Learn or burn.

 

[danielpalos]

A State Corp of Engineers can engineer solutions to our problems; that is what corp commanders are for.

Why haven't the dumb asses done it then. Start clearing the brush and build fire breaks.

Learn or burn.

In my opinion, a State Corp of Engineers should be out there, building new hydraulic energy systems into our watersheds and aqueducts. They could have been in the vicinity already.

Energy substations should include water reservoirs and pumping capability. Water cannon could be helpful locally, and pumped as far as accessible via hoses.

 

[eagle1462010]

Don't worry. Mother Nature is taking care of your stupidity. Burning your whole dang state down.

 

[danielpalos]

Don't worry. Mother Nature is taking care of your stupidity. Burning your whole dang state down.

We could be lowering our tax burden and improving infrastructure, to improve the efficiency of our economy.

 

[bodecea]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

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As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

You’re going to get your ass kicked on this one. Wish I had the time to do it.

“I was going to kick your ass, but my mom is calling me.”



Anyway.....Bring it on, clown. This is an open forum. Come back after you’ve dug up some right-wing talking points

Fire breaks and ecological water use, are hardly right wing talking points, dumb ass.

Hey, dipshit, I think the fire fighters know when and where to clear forest to aid in their efforts. They dont need the Retard-in-Chief to tell them how to do their jobs.

Trump wasn't talking to firefighters. He was talking to looney liberals in charge of the states that are currently on fire.

Feel free to show us the state regs stating NOT to clear forests.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump with his Fox filter got something wrong? Must be a day ending in a Y.

Trump didn't get anything wrong.

AP is just fucking lying.

Must be a day ending in "y".

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

Bull fucking shit.

{
ens of thousands of people have been tossed out of work—the town of Mendota alone has an unemployment rate of about 40%—and the lines for food donations stretch down streets. The reason? There isn’t enough water to go around this year, and the Obama administration is drawing up new reasons to divert more of it from farms and people and into the San Francisco Bay.

Devon Nunes also stated in an interview along side Paul Rodriguez, “There’s a half a million acres of farmland, it’s bigger than the size of Rhode Island, that’s now dry because of these fools!”

David Spady reports that, “California’s man-made water crisis led to $2.2 billion in losses, water rationing, rising food costs, and the destruction of small family businesses.”

70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year..for a minnow.
The destruction is horrific. Businesses lost, property values lost, jobs lost, crop production lost, food cost increases, just to begin.

Presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina recently weighed in on the subject. She said that as a result, 70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year…California is a classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people’s lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology. It is a tragedy,”

The Climate Change, Save the Whale, Hug the Tree, Save the Baitfish crowd consistently uses a false narrative to to accomplish their political agenda. Now scientists are predicting a 35 year mega-drought in the West. When does the madness stop?}

California Dumps a Trillion Gallons of Fresh Water in the Ocean; Declares Water Shortage

 

[Thinker101]

You’re going to get your ass kicked on this one. Wish I had the time to do it.

“I was going to kick your ass, but my mom is calling me.”



Anyway.....Bring it on, clown. This is an open forum. Come back after you’ve dug up some right-wing talking points

Fire breaks and ecological water use, are hardly right wing talking points, dumb ass.

Hey, dipshit, I think the fire fighters know when and where to clear forest to aid in their efforts. They dont need the Retard-in-Chief to tell them how to do their jobs.

Trump wasn't talking to firefighters. He was talking to looney liberals in charge of the states that are currently on fire.

Feel free to show us the state regs stating NOT to clear forests.

Dood, tree clear the way Trump used it refers to clearing dead trees which minimizes available fuel for fires, NOT anywhere close to "clearing forests"....dumbass.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

Bull fucking shit.

{
ens of thousands of people have been tossed out of work—the town of Mendota alone has an unemployment rate of about 40%—and the lines for food donations stretch down streets. The reason? There isn’t enough water to go around this year, and the Obama administration is drawing up new reasons to divert more of it from farms and people and into the San Francisco Bay.

Devon Nunes also stated in an interview along side Paul Rodriguez, “There’s a half a million acres of farmland, it’s bigger than the size of Rhode Island, that’s now dry because of these fools!”

David Spady reports that, “California’s man-made water crisis led to $2.2 billion in losses, water rationing, rising food costs, and the destruction of small family businesses.”

70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year..for a minnow.
The destruction is horrific. Businesses lost, property values lost, jobs lost, crop production lost, food cost increases, just to begin.

Presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina recently weighed in on the subject. She said that as a result, 70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year…California is a classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people’s lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology. It is a tragedy,”

The Climate Change, Save the Whale, Hug the Tree, Save the Baitfish crowd consistently uses a false narrative to to accomplish their political agenda. Now scientists are predicting a 35 year mega-drought in the West. When does the madness stop?}

California Dumps a Trillion Gallons of Fresh Water in the Ocean; Declares Water Shortage

We need a State Corp of Engineers to engineer more watershed capacity and more storage capacity; along with hydraulic energy production at every practicable opportunity.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

Bull fucking shit.

{
ens of thousands of people have been tossed out of work—the town of Mendota alone has an unemployment rate of about 40%—and the lines for food donations stretch down streets. The reason? There isn’t enough water to go around this year, and the Obama administration is drawing up new reasons to divert more of it from farms and people and into the San Francisco Bay.

Devon Nunes also stated in an interview along side Paul Rodriguez, “There’s a half a million acres of farmland, it’s bigger than the size of Rhode Island, that’s now dry because of these fools!”

David Spady reports that, “California’s man-made water crisis led to $2.2 billion in losses, water rationing, rising food costs, and the destruction of small family businesses.”

70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year..for a minnow.
The destruction is horrific. Businesses lost, property values lost, jobs lost, crop production lost, food cost increases, just to begin.

Presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina recently weighed in on the subject. She said that as a result, 70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year…California is a classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people’s lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology. It is a tragedy,”

The Climate Change, Save the Whale, Hug the Tree, Save the Baitfish crowd consistently uses a false narrative to to accomplish their political agenda. Now scientists are predicting a 35 year mega-drought in the West. When does the madness stop?}

California Dumps a Trillion Gallons of Fresh Water in the Ocean; Declares Water Shortage

We need a State Corp of Engineers to engineer more watershed capacity and more storage capacity; along with hydraulic energy production at every practicable opportunity.

Desperately.

But that defies the vision of the Oligarchs who rule the state. Bezos, Cook, Zuckerberg, et al. promote a state where San Francisco and Palo Alto are an island in a vast dustbowl devoid of human life, save the penniless Mexican slaves who serve them unquestioningly.

 

[Reasonable]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

View attachment 208753

As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

He NEVER shows any leadership or humanity.
Hes so not suited to be president or anything that has to do with people.

 

[Reasonable]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

Bull fucking shit.

{
ens of thousands of people have been tossed out of work—the town of Mendota alone has an unemployment rate of about 40%—and the lines for food donations stretch down streets. The reason? There isn’t enough water to go around this year, and the Obama administration is drawing up new reasons to divert more of it from farms and people and into the San Francisco Bay.

Devon Nunes also stated in an interview along side Paul Rodriguez, “There’s a half a million acres of farmland, it’s bigger than the size of Rhode Island, that’s now dry because of these fools!”

David Spady reports that, “California’s man-made water crisis led to $2.2 billion in losses, water rationing, rising food costs, and the destruction of small family businesses.”

70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year..for a minnow.
The destruction is horrific. Businesses lost, property values lost, jobs lost, crop production lost, food cost increases, just to begin.

Presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina recently weighed in on the subject. She said that as a result, 70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year…California is a classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people’s lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology. It is a tragedy,”

The Climate Change, Save the Whale, Hug the Tree, Save the Baitfish crowd consistently uses a false narrative to to accomplish their political agenda. Now scientists are predicting a 35 year mega-drought in the West. When does the madness stop?}

California Dumps a Trillion Gallons of Fresh Water in the Ocean; Declares Water Shortage

We need a State Corp of Engineers to engineer more watershed capacity and more storage capacity; along with hydraulic energy production at every practicable opportunity.

We need a president who chooses science over fossil fuel CEO’s.
The earth continues to heat up. The west is on fire each summer and we have a president who spends all his time attacking citizens and playing golf.
What’s wrong with that picture?

 

[danielpalos]

Trump is a fucking moron

Both of the president’s tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. It’s not that we’re diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is what’s left after we’ve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, there’s no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We don’t take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And what’s left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. There’s just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.

MJ: “Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading.” What is he referring to there?

PG: I imagine he’s throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isn’t any disagreement that California forest policy—and forest policy in the United States—shouldn’t be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. That’s been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we don’t really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I don’t think that is what he’s commenting on.

He’s also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.

We asked a California water expert to make sense of Donald Trump's moronic wildfire tweets​

Bull fucking shit.

{
ens of thousands of people have been tossed out of work—the town of Mendota alone has an unemployment rate of about 40%—and the lines for food donations stretch down streets. The reason? There isn’t enough water to go around this year, and the Obama administration is drawing up new reasons to divert more of it from farms and people and into the San Francisco Bay.

Devon Nunes also stated in an interview along side Paul Rodriguez, “There’s a half a million acres of farmland, it’s bigger than the size of Rhode Island, that’s now dry because of these fools!”

David Spady reports that, “California’s man-made water crisis led to $2.2 billion in losses, water rationing, rising food costs, and the destruction of small family businesses.”

70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year..for a minnow.
The destruction is horrific. Businesses lost, property values lost, jobs lost, crop production lost, food cost increases, just to begin.

Presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina recently weighed in on the subject. She said that as a result, 70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year…California is a classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people’s lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology. It is a tragedy,”

The Climate Change, Save the Whale, Hug the Tree, Save the Baitfish crowd consistently uses a false narrative to to accomplish their political agenda. Now scientists are predicting a 35 year mega-drought in the West. When does the madness stop?}

California Dumps a Trillion Gallons of Fresh Water in the Ocean; Declares Water Shortage

We need a State Corp of Engineers to engineer more watershed capacity and more storage capacity; along with hydraulic energy production at every practicable opportunity.

Desperately.

But that defies the vision of the Oligarchs who rule the state. Bezos, Cook, Zuckerberg, et al. promote a state where San Francisco and Palo Alto are an island in a vast dustbowl devoid of human life, save the penniless Mexican slaves who serve them unquestioningly.

Junk Bonds, not Junk Laws!

 

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Must tree clear! SAD!

In most cases, firefighters do tree clear in large fires of this nature. It takes away the fires fuel. Learn something before you post. You fucking moron.

The forest rangers said the prez advice was akin to gibberish with the water being diverted to the ocean.
But what do they know when we have a president who’s allergic to reading and learning.